Tip.It Times Presents: Anything Goes

[Newptor]

That was an excellent article! It was well thought out and expressed. I also agree with you on all point.

 

 

 

Oh! Here's another thing I agree with, from a post you made in this thread:

 

 

 

The best way of getting rich is not to waste money where you don't have to.

I've been saying that for years. Its amazing how many millionaires are broke in a week.

[Aneron]

Personally I don't PK, so how suicidal PKers choose to be doesn't really affect me. However, I do feel that a lot of the rules of "Pking Etiquette" have more of a basis to them than honor.

 

 

 

No teleports is obvious: who wants to fight when the chances are that your victim is just going to go "click" and away? It's rude - if you teleport, you are saying that you never even accepted the possibility you would lose your items. Would you ever choose to fight somebody with that frame of mind? Of course not! It defeats the purpose of PKing!

 

 

 

In regard to prayer, just think about what would happens when 1 pker puts on protection from melee. In order to even have a fair chance, the other player has to pray melee as well. The fight continues, except it takes twice as long, and consumes twice as many resources as it would have. In addition, it makes it practically impossible to quickly end the fight, meaning that it's just going to be each player slugging the other back and forth until one runs out of food and flees, possibly getting killed, possibly not. It just makes it that much less fun.

 

 

 

"Safe" eating, and farcasting are a little bit harder to explain away, but they are not entirely based on the complaints of level 60 pures. When you attack your enemy and they are unable to attack you, it is obvious that he/she does not have a fair chance, and will leave the fight at his/her first chance. I admit that safing is, for the most part, invented by the aforementioned level 60s who can't get a good KO. However, if both players keep their health up at full, once again the fight becomes and endurance match, a game of "my resources will hopefully last slightly longer yours." PKing is exciting because of hitting 30-30 specs and KOing your opponent, not because of sitting back and watching the fight go back and forth until somebody runs out.

 

 

 

Ultimately, PKing etiquette slightly disadvantages those who follow it, but can you imagine what pking would be like if nobody DID follow it? Every fight would go attack attack attack eat eat attack eat attack attack eat attack tele. PKing would die.

[yamamoto]

This is great, now I can avoid getting killed or a loser in the wild. Since I don't player kill.

[superandy05]

Excellent article!

 

 

 

I think the whole "dishonour" thing comes down to a PKer's unwillingness to accept defeat. They don't want to accept that they've been killed or outsmarted, so they have to belittle their "victim".

 

Just a little psychoanalysis there. =P

 

 

 

i think this is an exelent ay of putting it. well said :thumbsup:

[superandy05]

 

No teleports is obvious: who wants to fight when the chances are that your victim is just going to go "click" and away? It's rude - if you teleport, you are saying that you never even accepted the possibility you would lose your items. Would you ever choose to fight somebody with that frame of mind? Of course not! It defeats the purpose of PKing!

 

 

 

 

 

"Safe" eating, and farcasting are a little bit harder to explain away, but they are not entirely based on the complaints of level 60 pures. When you attack your enemy and they are unable to attack you, it is obvious that he/she does not have a fair chance, and will leave the fight at his/her first chance. However, if both players keep their health up at full, once again the fight becomes and endurance match, a game of "my resources will hopefully last slightly longer yours."

 

 

 

 

at to your comments about teleporting i think (although i dont teleport myself for resons that will be explaned later) that anyone not wanting someone to teleport will either get 85 magic (which i am working to now =p) or will pk in over 20 wilderness. granted there are few 'regular' pking spots in over 20 wildy where there isnt some means of escape (mage arena lever, obelisks, etc...) so you either trust your luck to finding someone or try to KO them. i pk in over 20 wildy and i find enough kills to keep me going. i think that teleporting is not realy in the true spirit of pking but as many people have said in responce to this article 'anything goes'

 

next there is the notion of 'safe eating' which in my expirience is a rediculus notion of 'dishonour'. granted there is a good chance with 'safe eaters' that it wastes a lot of sharks but if people dont eat so they dont get killed then it's down to luck of dds specs as to who wins.

 

it is quite possible to KO someone who safe eats by simply dealing damage faster than they can heal. this does mean dealing 20s every few seconds but with a dds you can get 2 specials in before they can start to heal. this ,for anyone 70 stregnth or more can (with a pot) hit 2 18s which i think we can all agree is more than enough to finish someone

 

 

 

another point is farcasting with ancients or entangle which is, i think fair enough.

 

i didnt spend the time i did doing desert treasure just so i can never use it because some faceless internet person thinks im a noob. if people dont want to be anciented then bring a bow or runes. in the wilderness ancients are well enough known about that anyone venturing into it can at least be prepared to face an ancienter.

 

the rules pkers talk about, this 'honour system' is simply so they can get other peoples items. i follow sone things, to a degree, such as no protection prayers, and if someone uses them i either d scimmy spec them then dds them or simply pray back.

 

 

 

the whole point of the wilderness is to have no rules, and wildy is more than stats, its about cunning and being better prepared than the person you fight. i enjoy pking and the 'honour' is simply there to make pures even nastier than they already are.

[norwayman4]

 

at to your comments about teleporting i think (although i dont teleport myself for resons that will be explaned later) that anyone not wanting someone to teleport will either get 85 magic (which i am working to now =p) or will pk in over 20 wilderness.

 

 

 

Ummm pking in normal gear, and tbing your opponent, isn't realistic. You have to use up 3 more inventory spaces for runes, and 1 or 2 more inventory spaces for magic equipment, to teleblock your opponent.

 

 

 

So with 4 or 5 less food, or 80-100 hit points difference in health, your opponent has a huge advantage if you were to fight them in Edgeville, and you tbed them.

[Azzazeal]

"return with one item to harass the player who attacked you;"

 

 

 

That was the only rule there that made sense, that article made me see just how moronic this code of honour stuff is! Abusing you opponent is dishonourable not eating.

[superandy05]

 

 

 

Ummm pking in normal gear, and tbing your opponent, isn't realistic. You have to use up 3 more inventory spaces for runes, and 1 or 2 more inventory spaces for magic equipment, to teleblock your opponent.

 

 

 

So with 4 or 5 less food, or 80-100 hit points difference in health, your opponent has a huge advantage if you were to fight them in Edgeville, and you tbed them.

 

 

 

so pk in over 20 wildy like i said. thing is if u pk in edgevill you can either tb or anone has the option of teleing away from you

[Ahmet29992]

They just say it to get your items... They have no honour...

[claymorais]

Interesting article, and I have to say that i agree...however I firmly believe that a lot of the people who have posted in agreement to this article think that abyss pkers are dishonourable (or "nooby"), after saying that anything goes. If the article was phrased differently and was unbiased I feel that the community would jump on that bandwagon and shun all the dishonourable pkers....oh well thats what I think anyway...

[Warstarter2]

A very nice article!

[longorefisher]

I've been reading these posts and I personally Believe that we need to (as the tip.it community) establish what exactly is a fair sense of honour. We really need to take bits out of either code (the greed honour and anytihg goes) and merge them together. At least this way we would have one universal definition to work from and one ideal as a community -

 

 

 

Just a thought.

[killerey]

u people dont even know what ur talking about. I BET half of u dont even pk and you're all going 'I KNOW' 'EXACTLY' its because u wanna feel accepted. But thing is, the 'Honor' and 'No Honor' system is made so that there can be a sort of system going around making it easier for the pkers in wildy. IF everyone was allowed to pray when they feel threatened, IF everyone was allowed to safe eat when they are low on hp, then how can pkers manage to get any loot that way? Think about it. Ever since the untradable capes, defenders, and torsos came out, a standard drop would consist of dds, rune legs, berzerker helm or even its brother, the helm of neitiznot. That only sums up to 150k per kill. It is hard enough to take out someone with that much amount of defence bonus, and it doesn't mean that everytime you fight them, you will win something, u might have to fight them repeatedly to get a 150k kill when u have used a lot of money yourself buyig food and pots. So for u idiots that dont know what u are talking about. Shut up.

[Moogel]

watch you language and someone woke up on the wrong side of the rock.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

If I may ask one question...

 

 

 

WHY IS IT THAT MANY OF YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THAT THE HONOR CODE IS SPAWNED PURELY OUT OF GREED AND NOT PERHAPS OUT OF A DESIRE FOR FIGHTING WITH MORE CHALLENGES, RISKS, AND SKILL?

 

 

 

It's a little, you know, ignorant to be calling people who want others to abide by it greedy. We have our reasons, and they're hardly just because we want a measly piece of rune.

[Aquashock]

My post will most likely be ignored, but ill post my feelings anyway.

 

 

 

I am a No Honor pker, now, im will post my feelings on what classifies me as "no honor"

 

 

 

I do eat when im low health. I dont go into the wilderness with the intention of dieing, i know there is a chance, but i have enough confidence to go out without thinking of dieing. Now "safing" is just a way for people to say "Why arnt you letting me kill you?". People who let their hp get low die alot more than someone like me. (just a note, i dont "safe" as in eat to full hp every time im hit, i just stay over 50 or so)

 

 

 

If you wear armor other than rune or barrows:

 

1) your not no honor, your an idiot (unless your a pure designed for that level stuff) If i saw a 110+ pking in prosolyte skulled.... Id lie if i didnt say id kill him for his glory (prosolyte top protects over it :twisted: ) but if he had say a strength ammy, I'd just leave him be.

 

2) if you did get into a fight, with someone in rune or barrows, you would die, outright (once again unless your a pure fighting people at edge, then your in your "zone")

 

 

 

Now then, Protection prayers and NH pking go hand in hand. Why? Dragon daggers and whip high hits. You dont want to go out into the wilderness and get speced a 35 35 spec, NO ONE does. And people do it all the time. If it means dieing and loosing full ahrims, and possibly a whip because i want to keep "honor" then ill loose it.

 

 

 

Farcasting (fun fact for all you newer players, when ancients came out, no one was calling "farcaster!" it was HOW YOU PKED) A spell that hits 30's and freezes for 20 seconds. Your already in armor thats weak to melee attack, even with prayer, you want to stay as far away from your target as possible while still hitting him. For anyone who wants to stay and fight, its not effecient. Your wasting time eating when you could be making him use up his food supply and smiting his prayer out.

 

 

 

Teleporting, ill be the first to say, there is a time and place for teleporting. Death matches on empty worlds, if you both dont agree to have teleports, then dont bring them. But, if your getting tagged, ANYWHERE not just edge, why not teleport. The odds are stacked against you, your not going to kill them, and they will kill you if you stay and fight. It comes down to the same result as protection prayers. Do i want to keep my honor and die with full ahrims and possibly whip? No, ill choose to teleport.

 

 

 

Attacking someone before they pot. Honestly, if you see someone potting, why would you sit back and let them pot if your the only one in the area. If your not, pray and run down and pot when they try to kill you.

 

 

 

Attacking someone without permission. If you want permission to fight someone, go to the duel arena. If someone asks "fight?" and you say no, they still have all right to attack you, and I stand by that.

 

 

 

Returning... blah blah I personally do this to annoying people, but if i do it, they deserved it.

 

 

 

Now then I pk No Honor at varrock dragons. I do it, and i have fun. I go out every day I can, and i get kills, my team fights other teams, we get a few kills, sometimes people die, it happens. Ive died for full ahrims and a whip, ive also pked it a few times. Im not going to say honor is for noobs who want kills, but they have to learn that every fight is not a deathmatch, You cant set rules on the wilderness and expect someone to follow them outright. If i dont want you to escape, ill call a friend to teleblock you and ill barrage you untill you escape or die.

 

 

 

I will ask someone who is closer to your level to tag on to you when i cant attack you anymore due to the fact im to high/low of a level.

 

 

 

I will teleport when im being tagged or im out of food

 

 

 

I will pray melee/range to you and if you value your pixelated life, you will to.

 

 

 

I will Plunder, I will Ravage, I will Ransack

 

 

 

IM A PIXEL PIRATE

 

[sickbailey]

I personally pretty much hate this article. As an edge PKer myself at times, it frustrates me ridiculously that people will come to the wildy and simply be 'dishonourable', I come to the wilderness looking for challenges to take on, where if I do well and don't have to beat impossible odds I will receive a reward (their items). I usually PK in torags with a whip, or when I dont have a set of torags, I use a spare runeset, I take these items in to the wildy knowing full well theres a chance that I can lose them, and so will lose them if somebody beats me.

 

 

 

bringing Tb's,entangles, etc to edge which is prodominantly a melee PKing spot defeats the object of trying to win/get kills as your taking an extra 3+ sharks out of your inventory which will mean that if you are having a fight which lasts a while you are ruining your chances of winning anyway if you do actually somehow find another honourable PKer.

 

 

 

With all the updates to the game like firecapes, fighter torsos, gloves etc its becoming much easier to PK so sometimes you get the odd lucky kills, but the wilderness in my eyes is still currently ruined by the majority of the noobs that are in it.

 

 

 

A lot of people dont like PKing in the higher levels of the wilderness because you will just get owned by people 20+ levels higher than you because them KO'ing you is no hard task, they are always able to PK with mage+ melee at the same time because they will have the neccessary stat boosts to stay alive with less food, especially fighting people 20 levels or more below them. But I suppose this is just a part of the next paragraph...

 

 

 

 

 

If your going in to the wildy, be prepared to lose your items, or dont come at all. If your sole purpose is to annoy other players then dont come either, your just bringing things down even further and aggrevating things further.

[sickbailey]

 

 

 

Teleporting, ill be the first to say, there is a time and place for teleporting. Death matches on empty worlds, if you both dont agree to have teleports, then dont bring them. But, if your getting tagged, ANYWHERE not just edge, why not teleport. The odds are stacked against you, your not going to kill them, and they will kill you if you stay and fight. It comes down to the same result as protection prayers. Do i want to keep my honor and die with full ahrims and possibly whip? No, ill choose to teleport.

 

 

 

 

there is a time for teleporting, I suppose when your being tagged/teameed and your alone, or if your in the wilderness to train, RC or kill dragons then yes teleporting is acceptable and I suppose so too is prayer.

 

 

 

But as soon as you step in to the wilderness for PKing purposes that goes out of the wilderness. I dont bring normal teleports to the wilderness because I still believe in the idea of promoting honour, I do bring a teleport but thats in the form of a glory, which you should all know that I cant use it to tele out in a fight anyway.

[larkintheannoyance]

very good article

 

although i dont pk myself i know what you mean about this whole 'dishonour thing' i mean i was trying to get to the kbd to find my clan and some guy atacks me. being prepared for the kbd i took him down easily he then proceded to harras me through private chat complaining that id scammed him it was unfair ect...

[killerey]

well thats a hell load different if ur going into the wilderness with no intention of attacking others, such as, kbders, green dragon trainers, runite miners, rcers and alot more. The rules are made, and some people abide to them. Most people that dont abide to the rules ususually keep to themselves and not make a public speech about it

[CogaBlueforyou]

Ello, I don't usually post on tip.it, however I was compelled to by this article.

 

 

 

I could tell from reading the article that this isn't an essay from the normal type of person that supports no honor(The people who think they can make money pking :shame: ). So i'l try to express this intellegently.

 

 

 

From the outside looking in, it does seem kinda stupid, for pkers to have a set thing of 'rules' to follow in order to pk. I know, I used to support people who carried teleports runes. I don't anymore, and am pretty much completly opposite.

 

 

 

I pretty much turned around after creating my runepure : proper pure.

 

 

 

To quote a few points from the article:

 

 

 

eat to stay above half health (preventing a quick knockout with DD spec);

 

 

 

I'l just start out by saying: just because someone says it-doesn't make it true. I'm sure your well aware, and was just using that to make a few extra additions.

 

Eating at half hp isn't safing, but any skilled pker offering advice would say steer clear of it.

 

 

 

wear any armour other than rune or Barrows ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ the relatively new proselyte armour, which is brilliant for prayer-intensive duels, is taboo because it doesn't give the winner enough money (though Barbarian Assault fighter torsos are apparently forgivable, a rare occurrence of utility overcoming "honour");

 

 

 

That arguement simply boils down to risk vs reward. If your risking 60k, why should i risk 300k to have a go at it?

 

And for barbarian torsos, you can't blame someone for using the best possible equiptment, that's jagexs mistake, not the players.

 

 

 

 

 

use protection prayers;

 

 

 

Protection prayers (while in edgeville) is pretty weak, if you do it, the person your fighting will to - and then niether fies and you both walk away with minus pots/sharks.

 

 

 

 

 

"farcast" -- using ice magic or entangle to hold someone then attacking them from a distance (which is what the spells are for);

 

 

 

Fake term, people who just like to complain use this one - and noone else.

 

 

 

run or teleport when it becomes obvious you have nothing to gain;

 

 

 

This isn't so much the players fault - as jagex's for giving people an easy way out when there shouldn't be.However, whether they use teleports or not is up to the player, so blame falls on them too.

 

If your not willing to die/have a fair fight, why should I give you the chance?

 

If your to afriad to lose what your wearing then you shouldn't be using it, find something your not scared of using - and use it.

 

 

 

attack someone before they pot up;

 

 

 

MY feelings are mized on this term. I like it when people ask, as it ensures a nice fun fight, however there is no reason to ask other than respect for the other fighter.

 

 

 

It's an excellent example, however, of how the obsessive greed of unskilled PKers has made thinking take second place to "honour" in the Wilderness

 

 

 

The opposite infact, the only greedy pker is the one who wants everything, but is willing to lose nothing.(via using protection prayers/teleports.)

 

 

 

These silly "rules" came from the minds of people who desperately need their victims to stand there, take it and just die already, without using food or prayer to protect themselves or trying to escape if they decide they want to keep their items.

 

 

 

Wrong-O. Wanting a fun, clean fight is far from silly, or lazy.

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of it does seem to be sheer laziness: it's obviously far too much hard work for these people to get a good magic level, then teleblocking and entangling someone before ripping into them...

 

 

 

 

Just a quick look at this scenerio:

 

 

 

Average inventory contains: 3 prayer potions, dds, supers set(3 spots),antipoison. Thats 8 spots that take up food places. LEaves you with 20 sharks.

 

Now add mystic top+bottom, natures, waters, earths, chaos, death, laws. Thats 8 more spots gone - 9 if you use zammy book.

 

 

 

12 sharks. Wanna know how long 12 sharks will last in a fight? Maybe a minute.

 

 

 

Secondly, most of the people who are afraid to lose their items will instapray+ run when teleblocked.

 

 

 

So that plan is successfully destroyed.

 

 

 

And, regardless of whatever insults honour PKers have come up with for people who outsmart them, they can't do anything to stop you.

 

 

 

I find this arguement funny, and somewhat blind.

 

 

 

Is clicking a buttom with a (v) on it really outsmarting someone? Or is gettting inside someones head, and convicing them that there are things they shouldn't use outsmarting them?

 

 

 

Feel free to beleive that the people who are afraid to risk 300k are the smart ones.

 

Me? I'l belive the person who convinces a community to fight fair.

 

 

 

Cogablue out.

[jitterboogie]

Koga pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I wanted to drive home the point that your point of view is exactly what is ruining the wilderness.One itemers are an abomination, regardless how "funny" it is. Congratulations, you're contributing to the downfall of the wilderness, one of the very few refuges left in runescape that are actually still fun / exciting. And the wilderness is pretty much on its last legs.

 

 

 

 

 

The next time you go out and decide to jump on that player who was just in a fair fight, decide to take that one item out there without food, just stop, and think about the effect of your actions. People get that much more sickened by the actions of others and the current deplorable state of the wilderness, which is really just a reflection of the deplorable state of the runescape community in general. So one more honest person quits. Soon more. Eventually, you are left with the lurers, people who take one item out and hop on people yelling noob, which you presumably do based on everything you said in your article , the cheats, the children, the scammers and the rude people. I'm sure you'll be basking in the glory of your misguided opinions then.

[123u321]

imo, u are just the sad 1 item noob that PJes and thinks he is good.

 

 

 

FIRST u say that u work hard for your money (might be true) THEN u say u love to PJ

 

 

 

Now, PJing is a very easy way to make money all u need is 1 dds witch u will most likely never lose.

 

 

 

After reading the text, u rahter run from a clan war that ur clan is doing then actually dieing for your clan witch gives your clan a little more time to kill the other clan. So, gl getting in a real clan!

 

 

 

IMO ur just writing total BS and i would love to find u in the wild to just tb, entangle, spec u, let an ancient take over and watch u die , even if ur just 1 iteming because u are probably not even willing to lose full proselyte. GF writing it, now come back when u actually can beat a lvl 90 who is willing to lose stuff.

[zander459]

Let me ask you "rule" proponents a question:

 

 

 

If I am fighting you, and I do something that is against your supposed "rules" (whichever version of these rules you happen to be using at the time, it being understood that even the people ON THIS THREAD can't agree as to what these supposed rules actually are) then how exactly are you going to stop me?

 

 

 

Would one of you people who are going on and on about these "rules" please just pause for a moment from your extreme PKing and answer that one, simple question?

 

 

 

I'm serious. I think it would help the discussion along.

 

 

 

Can someone please enlighten me, because in all the PKing I have done, and that's a lot (FYI, my name here is random and isn't my RS name), in not ONE SINGLE FIGHT has my opponent ever been able to stop me from fighting exactly how I wanted to.

 

 

 

Please let me know exactly what enforcement power you think you have over me. And, no, the fact that you can call me a n00b right before I kill you isn't quite enough to make me toe the line. And the fact that you can turn your pray on too, or eat too, or "farcast" too, doesn't cut it either because, after all, then you are playing by MY rules, not yours, and that's just fine by me.

 

 

 

Although I am eagerly awaiting your response, for the moment I am off to Varrock, where my friends and I have instituted a "No Rune Boots in Varrock" rule. You had better not wear your rune boots in Varrock any more. If you do, then my friends and I are going to follow you around and call you a n00b because, even though it seems to be completely within the official rules of the game, we believe that wearing rune boots in Varrock is unsightly and should not be tolerated.

[jitterboogie]

You don't get it Zander. You do those things, we can and will do them back, resulting in a mass waste of supplies across the board. I don't care about farcasting. I don't even care about safeing too much, it's annoying sure, but whatever, the way My pkers are built it doesn't matter how much you safe, you have a very very good chance of dieing. I dislike one itemers and pjers, immensely. What will I do? Likely eventually quit. Who will that leave? One itemers and pjers, attacking themselves and getting nothing, who eventually lament the fact that they drove off anyone with any sense of respect/ honour/courage/fairness/intelligence, or move on to rape the next game.