Construction takes 72M I believe? Or is it more?

 

 

 

Some ppl say it takes 100-150m. Maybe I'm wrong,but I seem to recall reading that someplace.

 

true I did it with oak larders and spended like 110m in total(buying oak plank + butler)

 

pray 70-99 costed me like 75m-80m

Despite the vagueness of the wording "buy outright"....

 

 

 

 

 

To determine this, you judge each skill by the "outright" FASTEST POSSIBLE SPEED of getting a 99 in that skill, so-

 

 

 

Smithing- You would buy the highest bars possible to smith into the item that uses the most bars (plates)

 

 

 

Herblore- You would buy all the seconds, water-filled vials and herbs for the highest possible herbs you could make

 

 

 

Mage- You cast probably ice barrage at PC games

 

 

 

Construction- You literally trade gp for experience- you buy the highest planks, highest dungeon monster, magic stones, whatever.

 

 

 

Prayer- You buy and gilded-altar Ourg Bones

 

 

 

 

 

This thread doesn't say "whats most efficient" or ask "whats more efficient to train" because you don't assume the efficient ways of training because you can functionally train everything for free.

 

 

 

 

 

Assuming that, Construction is by and far the most expensive skill to "buy outright".

the universally accepted most expensive skill is construction, to my knowledge. it takes around 130m CUTTING YOUR OWN OAK. keep in my that this is OAK, and pretty much the cheapest method for construction.

 

if you buy oak planks, it only takes 97m from 33 to 99 construction+ about 10m to pay the servant, farming certainly takes more, smithing with steel bars takes 140m, so construction is not the most expencive skill, like alot of people believe.

 

 

 

Acctually it is if you compare most efficient method to most efficient method

 

 

 

steel bars is NOT the most efficient method for smithing. The most efficient is gold ores. Now not only is that clearly less but you are also forgetting that smithing, unlike construction, has a return on the investment. So even if you need the 100 mill (I htink that's what you'd need) to acctually buy all the gold ores, you will get 40 mill back. So technically you need the means to buy 100 mill and you need to spend only 60 mill.

 

 

 

as for farming? Why would farming be more expensive? It doesn't strike me as too costy, unless obviously you use an innefficient method. What is the most efficient method and what does it cost?

 

 

 

Also, for the ridiculous examples, construction using magic stones, is the most expensive and beats all the other silly methods.

 

doing smithing with steel bars IS the most efficent method. Steel bars is 77 xp/h, though gold ores is less than 44k xp/h, so its 3/4 slower... as someone said, you could use clay for ct, would cheaper but its ridiculous.

 

 

 

And if you think steel bars is not reasnoble, most people with 99 smithing used that method.

 

 

 

and farming- 13.7k xp per magic tree, 180-200k per seed. There are alot of different ways for farming, but the fastest and only normal way is using watermelon seeds, magic trees and palm trees, and all of those components cost alot. Youll also have to consider the fact some of the plants die, making you lose even more mills.

 

 

 

And if someone is going to mention going for 99 farming with harbs, then dont. herbs give louzy experiance and it would take years.

the universally accepted most expensive skill is construction, to my knowledge. it takes around 130m CUTTING YOUR OWN OAK. keep in my that this is OAK, and pretty much the cheapest method for construction.

 

if you buy oak planks, it only takes 97m from 33 to 99 construction+ about 10m to pay the servant, farming certainly takes more, smithing with steel bars takes 140m, so construction is not the most expencive skill, like alot of people believe.

 

 

 

Acctually it is if you compare most efficient method to most efficient method

 

 

 

steel bars is NOT the most efficient method for smithing. The most efficient is gold ores. Now not only is that clearly less but you are also forgetting that smithing, unlike construction, has a return on the investment. So even if you need the 100 mill (I htink that's what you'd need) to acctually buy all the gold ores, you will get 40 mill back. So technically you need the means to buy 100 mill and you need to spend only 60 mill.

 

 

 

as for farming? Why would farming be more expensive? It doesn't strike me as too costy, unless obviously you use an innefficient method. What is the most efficient method and what does it cost?

 

 

 

Also, for the ridiculous examples, construction using magic stones, is the most expensive and beats all the other silly methods.

 

doing smithing with steel bars IS the most efficent method. Steel bars is 77 xp/h, though gold ores is less than 44k xp/h, so its 3/4 slower... as someone said, you could use clay for ct, would cheaper but its ridiculous.

 

 

 

And if you think steel bars is not reasnoble, most people with 99 smithing used that method.

 

 

 

and farming- 13.7k xp per magic tree, 180-200k per seed. There are alot of different ways for farming, but the fastest and only normal way is using watermelon seeds, magic trees and palm trees, and all of those components cost alot. Youll also have to consider the fact some of the plants die, making you lose even more mills.

 

 

 

And if someone is going to mention going for 99 farming with harbs, then dont. herbs give louzy experiance and it would take years.

 

 

 

It's using goldsmithing gauntlets which makes it faster and doubling the exp. It's the most efficient and costs a lot less. The people who used steel bars eithe did it before it was possible to buy gold ores in bulk or jus assumed it was better to do it with steel bars.

 

 

 

From what you are telling me about farming, it seems to be a faster but not efficient method. I'm looking for the efficient method to compare to construction.

 

 

 

Otherwise, the fastest (and completely unreasonably pricy way) to lvl up construction is magic stones, which is just silly.

 

 

 

So, once again, only compare most efficient to most efficient.

the universally accepted most expensive skill is construction, to my knowledge. it takes around 130m CUTTING YOUR OWN OAK. keep in my that this is OAK, and pretty much the cheapest method for construction.

 

if you buy oak planks, it only takes 97m from 33 to 99 construction+ about 10m to pay the servant, farming certainly takes more, smithing with steel bars takes 140m, so construction is not the most expencive skill, like alot of people believe.

 

 

 

Acctually it is if you compare most efficient method to most efficient method

 

 

 

steel bars is NOT the most efficient method for smithing. The most efficient is gold ores. Now not only is that clearly less but you are also forgetting that smithing, unlike construction, has a return on the investment. So even if you need the 100 mill (I htink that's what you'd need) to acctually buy all the gold ores, you will get 40 mill back. So technically you need the means to buy 100 mill and you need to spend only 60 mill.

 

 

 

as for farming? Why would farming be more expensive? It doesn't strike me as too costy, unless obviously you use an innefficient method. What is the most efficient method and what does it cost?

 

 

 

Also, for the ridiculous examples, construction using magic stones, is the most expensive and beats all the other silly methods.

 

doing smithing with steel bars IS the most efficent method. Steel bars is 77 xp/h, though gold ores is less than 44k xp/h, so its 3/4 slower... as someone said, you could use clay for ct, would cheaper but its ridiculous.

 

 

 

And if you think steel bars is not reasnoble, most people with 99 smithing used that method.

 

 

 

and farming- 13.7k xp per magic tree, 180-200k per seed. There are alot of different ways for farming, but the fastest and only normal way is using watermelon seeds, magic trees and palm trees, and all of those components cost alot. Youll also have to consider the fact some of the plants die, making you lose even more mills.

 

 

 

And if someone is going to mention going for 99 farming with harbs, then dont. herbs give louzy experiance and it would take years.

 

 

 

It's using goldsmithing gauntlets which makes it faster and doubling the exp. It's the most efficient and costs a lot less. The people who used steel bars eithe did it before it was possible to buy gold ores in bulk or jus assumed it was better to do it with steel bars.

 

 

 

From what you are telling me about farming, it seems to be a faster but not efficient method. I'm looking for the efficient method to compare to construction.

 

 

 

Otherwise, the fastest (and completely unreasonably pricy way) to lvl up construction is magic stones, which is just silly.

 

 

 

So, once again, only compare most efficient to most efficient.

 

 

 

your kind of biased since you have 99 construction take a look on the fourms there is alot more steel bars sold then gold ores as for effiecent farming herbs isn't efficent as you can't get 100k exp a day doing that farming trees allows you to get around 200-250k exp a day if they all live, but the seeds cost so much

your kind of biased since you have 99 construction take a look on the fourms there is alot more steel bars sold then gold ores as for effiecent farming herbs is n't efficent

 

 

 

Of course I'm biased when I want to promote construction as the absolute #1. But I ask to compare most efficient skill to most efficient skill. That's pretty fair don't you think. And efficient =/= fast. if a method takes twice a long but only costs 25% less, the slower method is more efficient

 

 

 

And just because one sells more than the other doesn't mean that it's the most efficient method. There are more steel bars being sold simply because they are easier to get. That alone proves nothing about what is a more efficient method. It does, however, indicate that it's harder to buy gold. But by no means impossible anymore.

 

 

 

Finally, I said I don't think your method is the most efficient, but that doesn't mean that I think herbs are more efficient. As I said before, it's probably a fast method but that doesn't mean it's the most efficient.

I see alot of thread about "buyable" 99's, but which skill outright costs the most to buy. I boiled it down to a few, but I could be wrong seeing how we are fortuante enough to have some great players on tip.it I would like to hear how much they paid to buy the skill, here is what I think the most expensive to buy and my reason why.

 

 

 

 

 

Herblore- high level herbs cost 1000's of gold each along with vials going at 200 each these days thats not even counting the secondary ingredients.

 

 

 

Smithing- Ahh yes the old gold bar method or the 600k for 1k steel bar way, I heard Empror1 say he spent a phat to buy smithing and he was already in the 80's at that point

 

 

 

Crafting- I don't think it's as much as the others but it deserves and honorable mention dhide prices went down alot over the years

 

 

 

Construction- Less we forget the millions this cost I would say this is between 1 to 3 on the most expensive easy

 

 

 

Runecrafting- If you don't count the money you make from nats it actually takes 1.5 million ess almost for 99 ess prices were steady around 80-100 gp each that turns out to be a really expensive skill

 

 

 

Farming- The high level tree seeds cost hundreds of 1000's each not to mention some trees can die this can turn out to cost alot

 

 

 

Prayer- Due to the guilded alter this skill takes about 60 million still a considerable amount but nothing to what it would be without it

 

 

 

Magic- High alchemy makes you not lose money, but it takes about 200k hi alchs to get 99 mage natures at 300 each would be 600 million to buy this skill so if you used natures in the mage arena this skill would actually be the most expensive

 

 

 

 

 

Lets hear all of your opinions I think it would be fun to get a nice thread about this something to read while I Fish or Cook

 

 

 

Herblore=If your lucky, then you can get exactly equal back.

 

 

 

Smithing=a lot of gold bars=lots of money, be in my top 5 most expensive skills.

 

 

 

Crafting=Not to expensive

 

 

 

Construction and prayer come under the same thing=They both cost 50mil at the least

 

 

 

Runecrafing:I believe its only 1mil ess needed, which is now only 90mil. I count this as making a lot more, so id put this as the least expensive, unless you use FFL from 54 to 99

 

 

 

Farming=If you used the most expensive ways, you wouldnt let any trees die, but it is one of the most expensive

 

 

 

Magic=If you do MTA then you make many mils

farming with magic trees, palms and watermelons IS the most efficient, unless your doing it as a sideskill.

 

 

 

gold ore with goldsmith gaunlets is accually 2.5 times the experiance, but it is still very very slow thus not the most efficient method.

 

 

 

Time is money, and if you take that into consideration farming will most certainly be the most expencive and hardest skill to get 99. Most ways of training construction are very fast, and you could make alot of that money back after getting 99. With farming above 75, the maximum xp in a day is about 600k, if you farm 24 hours, though if you made oak larders all day youd get about 4 million xp in that time.

your kind of biased since you have 99 construction take a look on the fourms there is alot more steel bars sold then gold ores as for effiecent farming herbs is n't efficent

 

 

 

Of course I'm biased when I want to promote construction as the absolute #1. But I ask to compare most efficient skill to most efficient skill. That's pretty fair don't you think. And efficient =/= fast. if a method takes twice a long but only costs 25% less, the slower method is more efficient

 

 

 

And just because one sells more than the other doesn't mean that it's the most efficient method. There are more steel bars being sold simply because they are easier to get. That alone proves nothing about what is a more efficient method. It does, however, indicate that it's harder to buy gold. But by no means impossible anymore.

 

 

 

Finally, I said I don't think your method is the most efficient, but that doesn't mean that I think herbs are more efficient. As I said before, it's probably a fast method but that doesn't mean it's the most efficient.

 

 

 

You don't make money back on Construction, but if you make trees from 75-99 I think it's just as expensive [wagon] if one tree dies you lose almost 200k I am by no means a master farmer, but I am decent in math just look at it in a construction point of view you could have all of your trees die in one night, but after you buy your 220k oak planks you never lose them but if one tree dies it's like losing 500 planks it does add up over a while. Listen to xpx I think he knows as do you as I respect your opinion as a 99 constructionist, just think outside the box all im saying

Well..There seems that there are alot of technical solutions, not only the most logical. Therefor, I've come up with two technical solutions, that noone would ever use.

 

 

 

Smithing: You would need 1,042,755 Iron ore to smelt to bars. Thought, you only have a 50% chance to make a bar, double that up to 2,085,510 ores. That is, with the price of 120 Each, 250,2m.

 

Dont even try to think about the hours needed to smelt all those. :P

 

 

 

Prayer: Burying Raurg-bones (No idea what they even come from, but this is only technical. :P), you would need 135,776 bones. They are worth up to 2,5k each, so that is a costy 339,44m.

 

 

 

Construction: First of all, this is just a silly calculation, but it is possible.

 

1-93 Construction: 51,398 Mahogny-Planks at 2,5k each. (128,495,000gp)

 

93-99 Construction: 234 Demonic Throne at 25m each (5,850,000,000gp)

 

 

 

It would become a total of 5,978,495,000gp.

 

 

 

Yes, I know that you could make the thrones allready from 91, but I didnt think about that before I was finished, and I couldnt bother to re-do the calculation.

 

 

 

 

 

With logical ways, I'd say Farming, if you get it quick by using Fruit Trees and Trees.

if u farmed all the way to 99 only on palms and magic trees u would lose 153m farm tbh

farming with magic trees, palms and watermelons IS the most efficient, unless your doing it as a sideskill.

 

 

 

gold ore with goldsmith gaunlets is accually 2.5 times the experiance, but it is still very very slow thus not the most efficient method.

 

 

 

Time is money, and if you take that into consideration farming will most certainly be the most expencive and hardest skill to get 99. Most ways of training construction are very fast, and you could make alot of that money back after getting 99. With farming above 75, the maximum xp in a day is about 600k, if you farm 24 hours, though if you made oak larders all day youd get about 4 million xp in that time.

 

 

 

But using the goldsmith gauntlets, it's a 40% return. So it's only 60 mill. What is the total amount (so minus the return) for steel bars?

 

 

 

Very little time spend is acctually spent farming. There's a huge difference in effort. I don't think the waiting timeshould be counted, because you could basically do whatever you want during that time, even covering your losses in farming. Then there's the random dieing of trees screwing up the amount needed. That's going to make it tricky to find out how many tree seeds are needed. Do we assume that none die? is there an average?

 

 

 

 

You don't make money back on Construction, but if you make trees from 75-99 I think it's just as expensive [wagon] if one tree dies you lose almost 200k I am by no means a master farmer, but I am decent in math just look at it in a construction point of view you could have all of your trees die in one night, but after you buy your 220k oak planks you never lose them but if one tree dies it's like losing 500 planks it does add up over a while. Listen to xpx I think he knows as do you as I respect your opinion as a 99 constructionist, just think outside the box all im saying

 

 

 

 

so basically you're saying is that the random factor causes farming to be more expensive? That statement isn't really mathematically correct, but if that is what you mean then where do we draw the line to determine the exact cost of farming?

dp, sorry

Gotta be construction...

farming with magic trees, palms and watermelons IS the most efficient, unless your doing it as a sideskill.

 

 

 

gold ore with goldsmith gaunlets is accually 2.5 times the experiance, but it is still very very slow thus not the most efficient method.

 

 

 

Time is money, and if you take that into consideration farming will most certainly be the most expencive and hardest skill to get 99. Most ways of training construction are very fast, and you could make alot of that money back after getting 99. With farming above 75, the maximum xp in a day is about 600k, if you farm 24 hours, though if you made oak larders all day youd get about 4 million xp in that time.

 

 

 

But using the goldsmith gauntlets, it's a 40% return. So it's only 60 mill. What is the total amount (so minus the return) for steel bars?

 

 

 

Very little time spend is acctually spent farming. There's a huge difference in effort. I don't think the waiting timeshould be counted, because you could basically do whatever you want during that time, even covering your losses in farming. Then there's the random dieing of trees screwing up the amount needed. That's going to make it tricky to find out how many tree seeds are needed. Do we assume that none die? is there an average?.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you buy construction it's possible to level to 99 considerably fast infact you could level 99 construction from level 1-99 months faster then you could go from 1-99 farming you could make back all that money in that time frame then no real arguement

But using the goldsmith gauntlets, it's a 40% return. So it's only 60 mill. What is the total amount (so minus the return) for steel bars?

 

 

 

~140mil as I calculated earlier. How about you two guys come up with the actual exp / hour ratio's of smithing gold ore or smithing steel bars. If xpx is right with 77K / hour (steel bars) vs 44K / hour (gold ore) then yes, steel bars are indeed more efficient.

 

 

 

And most efficient way for farming seems magic trees indeed, which puts the skill up to some ~150mil or so as well.

Hunt the giant Mole and trade hides and claws for nests, VERY nice seeds. (Farming)

 

 

 

lawl you are aware that the mole gives standard seeds as well as tree seeds... after useing 40 nests i got somthing like 400 onion and potato one tree seed (acorn) and a bunch of silly seeds that nobody ever plants... :roll:

But using the goldsmith gauntlets, it's a 40% return. So it's only 60 mill. What is the total amount (so minus the return) for steel bars?

 

 

 

~140mil as I calculated earlier. How about you two guys come up with the actual exp / hour ratio's of smithing gold ore or smithing steel bars. If xpx is right with 77K / hour (steel bars) vs 44K / hour (gold ore) then yes, steel bars are indeed more efficient.

 

 

 

And most efficient way for farming seems magic trees indeed, which puts the skill up to some ~150mil or so as well.

 

 

 

That's why I asked for the amount.

 

 

 

140 mill at 77k per hour for steel (140 mill, that includes the return, right?)

 

 

 

60 mill at 44k per hour (100 mill - 40 mill)

 

 

 

gold wins?

 

 

 

now for farming, is there are return that needs to be counted there? as someone said ealier, they had a return on the poisons and such.

Crafting is like 12-14 buying green hides making bodies then selling.

Herblore-Can be used to merchant prayer pots. Doesn't really lose money unless you keep the pots you make.

 

 

 

Smithing-Steel bars can make some decent money with cannonballs, I was considering doing this but it would take far too long, because I'm only 55 smithing. :oops:

 

 

 

Crafting-Can be very expensive, I don't know how many dhides it would take to get to 99 though.

 

 

 

Construction-Most expensive for sure. Takes millions if you want to get 99 quickly.

 

 

 

Runecrafting-If you don't count the money you make from nats it actually takes 1.5 million ess almost for 99 ess prices were steady around 80-100 gp each that turns out to be a really expensive skill

 

 

 

Farming-Takes a very long time if you want 99, as trees take from 15 hours (fruit trees) to 60 hours (spirit trees). Still pretty expensive.

 

 

 

Prayer-Very expensive, also requires the money to get the construction level for a guilded altar if you want it to not take 2 years.

 

 

 

Magic-Takes a long time with high-alch, but not too expensive. Just time consuming.

 

 

 

I think the top 3 are probably:

1. [*:a72i0ilx]Construction[*:a72i0ilx]Prayer[*:a72i0ilx]Farming

That's why I asked for the amount.

 

 

 

140 mill at 77k per hour for steel (140 mill, that includes the return, right?)

 

 

 

60 mill at 44k per hour (100 mill - 40 mill)

 

 

 

gold wins?

 

 

 

And efficient =/= fast. if a method takes twice a long but only costs 25% less, the slower method is more efficient

 

 

 

I assume you ment to say "but only costs 25% of the faster method" instead of "25% less"? Anyway, your lineair definition of efficiency merely shows that spending money on skills is not efficient - under your definition - in the first place. You'd end up concluding that smelting steel bars (no costs) would be the most efficient if you considered that too, despite it being only ~10-15K / hour or so.

 

 

 

Your self-made definition of efficient misses the point that time = money, which is rather important here. What is the most efficient actually depends on the money making abilities of individual players. To keep it simple:

 

 

 

Level 99 = 13 mil exp needed.

 

Leveling by steel requires 13mil / 77K = 170 hours.

 

Leveling by gold requires 13mil / 44K = 295 hours.

 

Difference 295 - 170 = 125 hours.

 

 

 

Steel costs from level 1: 140mil

 

Gold costs from level 1: 80mil (your 60mil was based on level 85 smithing already)

 

Difference 140mil - 80mil = 60mil

 

 

 

So for steel bar smithing to be more useful 125 hours > 60 mil thus 1 hour > 480K. I.e. for everyone who is able to gain 480K per hour or more in some way, it is more efficient to level using steel bars, for anyone who is unable to do so, the gold ore would be more efficient instead.

there is no return of farming anymore, but when i used to do it poisos cost 500k+ each, compared to the 10k it is now.

 

Also farming is a skill you have to do all the time. Since watermelons are the best farming xp in the game per hour(yes, better than magics) youll have to check on them all the time, and youll also need to check your trees every so often if you dont want to lose even more money.

 

 

 

when i farmed, i bought most of my magic tree seeds 250-300k each and since i didnt check on them much about 20% of the trees died.

there was a previous post that a guy acheived 99 construction with a merely 27m that was lowest it was taken to spend and it was proven true..

 

 

 

But the most expensive skill that is known in Runescape is of course Smithing for sure. And yes it has taken some ppl a phat to get 99 smithing.. kinda crazy, but hey! its all good..

Rofl? You think Construction costs 1-3M HAHA, 1-3M would get you like level 40 WHEN POWERING.

 

 

 

For the record Construction costs 120M (and some change) to buy all the stuff for 99 (Planks) and to pay the butlers for taking the items out of the bank.

Rofl? You think Construction costs 1-3M HAHA, 1-3M would get you like level 40 WHEN POWERING.

 

 

 

For the record Construction costs 120M (and some change) to buy all the stuff for 99 (Planks) and to pay the butlers for taking the items out of the bank.

 

About 117M (excluding Butler & Teleports)

 

It is actually cheaper to teleport than to use your butler, but since people already dished out about 117M on planks, they just tend to go with the more expensive route.