MyPurpleCrayon Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I'd go with a less negative spiel and say it's basic jist is living your life to the fullest extent without fear of repercussion. You see, you'd be right in a sense, but some people will come on and lash onto what you said as if satanists are morally bankrupt and common senseless, mindless sadistic remnants of human beings. Yeah, you could definitely put it that way. But at the same time, you're leaving certain aspects of it out. It's living your life at the fullest, but only for you and for your needs, not worrying about anyone else's. That's basically what I got from all of the research that I did. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 it's basic jist is living your life to the fullest extent without fear of repercussion. And what do you think a requirement of that is? What MPC said. I've already said he'd be right in a sense but then people would latch on and come to the misinformed conclusions about satanists I've given. I'm not denying there's selfishness, it's just annoying how people see it as an excuse to come in and assume everyone who follows the philosophy follows it like an unbreakable law or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 I'd go with a less negative spiel and say it's basic jist is living your life to the fullest extent without fear of repercussion. You see, you'd be right in a sense, but some people will come on and lash onto what you said as if satanists are morally bankrupt and common senseless, mindless sadistic remnants of human beings. Yeah, you could definitely put it that way. But at the same time, you're leaving certain aspects of it out. It's living your life at the fullest, but only for you and for your needs, not worrying about anyone else's. That's basically what I got from all of the research that I did. I see that clearly but I can also see how people aren't always bigoted mindless drones and have the ability to think for themselves. One of the tenents of satanism is not to be a sheep i.e. follow something as if it's the absolute truth. There will always be nutters, as I've agreed, but the argument seems to be they're all selfish, they follow the whole philosophy as a doctrine and it's all bad. I'm just seeing a bit of bias and I'm trying to defend the position of a satanist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I see that clearly but I can also see how people aren't always bigoted mindless drones and have the ability to think for themselves. One of the tenents of satanism is not to be a sheep i.e. follow something as if it's the absolute truth. There will always be nutters, as I've agreed, but the argument seems to be they're all selfish, they follow the whole philosophy as a doctrine and it's all bad. I'm just seeing a bit of bias and I'm trying to defend the position of a satanist. Thinking for yourself and thinking only of yourself are entirely different concepts though. You can not be a sheep, and still care for others at the same time. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 it's basic jist is living your life to the fullest extent without fear of repercussion. And what do you think a requirement of that is? What MPC said. I've already said he'd be right in a sense but then people would latch on and come to the misinformed conclusions about satanists I've given. I'm not denying there's selfishness, it's just annoying how people see it as an excuse to come in and assume everyone who follows the philosophy follows it like an unbreakable law or something. Maybe I'm just being ignorant, but what is the point of following a philosophy if it's not law to you? What's the worth of a philosophy that can't be followed all the time? It's like saying "I'm a Satanist sometimes, but when I don't feel like it I'm not"...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 I see that clearly but I can also see how people aren't always bigoted mindless drones and have the ability to think for themselves. One of the tenents of satanism is not to be a sheep i.e. follow something as if it's the absolute truth. There will always be nutters, as I've agreed, but the argument seems to be they're all selfish, they follow the whole philosophy as a doctrine and it's all bad. I'm just seeing a bit of bias and I'm trying to defend the position of a satanist. Thinking for yourself and thinking only of yourself are entirely different concepts though. You can not be a sheep, and still care for others at the same time. It's not a doctrine. I can't believe people can't understand this. They're just ideas. Only nutsos think they are absolute truths. Satanism is a way of saying I can be a free thinker and a skeptic of things which is a position seen as selfish because I'm not subordiante to any higher being. The selfishness also comes into indulgence which satanism claims is pleasurable and should be enjoyed, not shyed away from, of which the former observation is true (that indulgence is enjoyable, that is). I could argue Western philosophy is loosely parallel to LaVeyan Satanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 it's basic jist is living your life to the fullest extent without fear of repercussion. And what do you think a requirement of that is? What MPC said. I've already said he'd be right in a sense but then people would latch on and come to the misinformed conclusions about satanists I've given. I'm not denying there's selfishness, it's just annoying how people see it as an excuse to come in and assume everyone who follows the philosophy follows it like an unbreakable law or something. Maybe I'm just being ignorant, but what is the point of following a philosophy if it's not law to you? What's the worth of a philosophy that can't be followed all the time? It's like saying "I'm a Satanist sometimes, but when I don't feel like it I'm not"...? This is difficult indeed. What's the point? Perhaps you see that it conforms to the way you already think and decide to be loosely based as a 'satanic thinker' perhaps you only cherry pick a few tenents of it as part of being a broader free thinker or perhaps you take everything literally with no breadth for change as the collective unconcious (society) does. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. Whatever floats your boat. I just happen to be the second of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikephoto Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 i think its bigger over in the usa than in england but its a odd thing to believe in very odd :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poopingman Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I feel a lot of ignorant people just assume all satanists (sp?) are just confused kids who are a little bit too into their music. I would beg to differ... Metal fans, check out my band!Still the King.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I feel a lot of ignorant people just assume all satanists (sp?) are just confused kids who are a little bit too into their music. I would beg to differ... Yeah, probably like this guy: i think its bigger over in the usa than in england but its a odd thing to believe in very odd :) I mean, it's not a very outlandish concept. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovelydude Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I have no problem with satanism whatsoever, however I find it rather pointless. Anyone who has gotten to the stage where they would decide to become a satanist doesn't really need any guidance or judgement when it comes to their lives, though unlike many other faith and religious groups, I think we are better off with satanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 You'd be largely correct there, mate. As I think I stated in the above post (sorry for the double) there will inevitably be crazies in any schism of ANY group of people. If you want any reassurance, all the stories of goat slaying, human or baby sacrafices, bloodletting fantasies/ whatever any other sick, twisted thing you want to think of done in the name of 'satan' are often done as a tribute to evil. As satanism has nothing to do with the biblical satan (watch the video, people, it's easy) these people are often loosely associated with LaVeyan Satanism at best. Sounds fair enough to me, these people seem to misintrepreting the message and as it were "missing the point". The same can be said about Christian/Mulism fundamentalists who "miss the point" of the Koran/Bible and create a bad name for the moderate majority. Can I ask a question on this "indulgence"? What defines "indulgence"? There seems to be no line or "thou shalt not" element to this philosophy which personally I believe to be important in society, say someone derives pleasure from shooting foxes; if this philosophy was at societies helm there would be chaos. Does anyone remember the "do what you feel like day" in the Simpsons? A scary parallel... P.S. as before exam revision and time contraints have rushed this post, any gaping flaws are accidents and will be edited when my exams are over, apologies if there are many screw ups :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalTalker Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I havnt got anything against worshipping who they want, its the sacrifice part that gets to me. How can they "sacrifice" if they dont even know whether the other person/animal wants to be killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I havnt got anything against worshipping who they want, its the sacrifice part that gets to me. How can they "sacrifice" if they dont even know whether the other person/animal wants to be killed? WARNING: WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH! IT WILL MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL IF YOU DON'T. I have no problem with satanism whatsoever, however I find it rather pointless. Anyone who has gotten to the stage where they would decide to become a satanist doesn't really need any guidance or judgement when it comes to their lives, though unlike many other faith and religious groups, I think we are better off with satanism. I was thinking that too really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalTalker Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I havnt got anything against worshipping who they want, its the sacrifice part that gets to me. How can they "sacrifice" if they dont even know whether the other person/animal wants to be killed? WARNING: WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH! IT WILL MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL IF YOU DON'T. I have no problem with satanism whatsoever, however I find it rather pointless. Anyone who has gotten to the stage where they would decide to become a satanist doesn't really need any guidance or judgement when it comes to their lives, though unlike many other faith and religious groups, I think we are better off with satanism. I was thinking that too really. WARNING i have..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 WARNING i have..... Then you have the comprehension of a three year old. He clearly stated quite a few times they do not sacrifice animals and/or humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalTalker Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 WARNING i have..... Then you have the comprehension of a three year old. He clearly stated quite a few times they do not sacrifice animals and/or humans. Ok ok, i dont want to start a flame war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tru_vampire0 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 If anyone mentions the word Scientology, I'll go balistic! lol Satanism sounds very nice actually. Basically following our instincts and just being your inner-self that cares for itself only. When I Have It, It's the World's. When I Don't Have It, The World Is Mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 WARNING i have..... Then you have the comprehension of a three year old. He clearly stated quite a few times they do not sacrifice animals and/or humans. Ok ok, it would hurt my ego too much to admit I was wrong. [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Wow.. We had this satanist in 7th grade that would file his nails into points and then paint them black, grow bangs into his face (black hair) and basically only wear black and act "dark." Then he would listen to bands like Slipknot and [cabbage]. He was kinda emo/goth/whatever the hell you wanna call him. We always thought he would sacrifice us or something because he was really effing scary. lol SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Wow.. We had this satanist in 7th grade that would file his nails into points and then paint them black, grow bangs into his face (black hair) and basically only wear black and act "dark." Then he would listen to bands like Slipknot and [cabbage]. He was kinda emo/goth/whatever the hell you wanna call him. We always thought he would sacrifice us or something because he was really effing scary. lol #-o :wall: ... :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 You'd be largely correct there, mate. As I think I stated in the above post (sorry for the double) there will inevitably be crazies in any schism of ANY group of people. If you want any reassurance, all the stories of goat slaying, human or baby sacrafices, bloodletting fantasies/ whatever any other sick, twisted thing you want to think of done in the name of 'satan' are often done as a tribute to evil. As satanism has nothing to do with the biblical satan (watch the video, people, it's easy) these people are often loosely associated with LaVeyan Satanism at best. Sounds fair enough to me, these people seem to misintrepreting the message and as it were "missing the point". The same can be said about Christian/Mulism fundamentalists who "miss the point" of the Koran/Bible and create a bad name for the moderate majority. Can I ask a question on this "indulgence"? What defines "indulgence"? There seems to be no line or "thou shalt not" element to this philosophy which personally I believe to be important in society, say someone derives pleasure from shooting foxes; if this philosophy was at societies helm there would be chaos. Does anyone remember the "do what you feel like day" in the Simpsons? A scary parallel... P.S. as before exam revision and time contraints have rushed this post, any gaping flaws are accidents and will be edited when my exams are over, apologies if there are many screw ups :D Valid point. On a general sense Satanists will indulge in all the so called sins yet you can hear the black pope himself (dude in the video) comment on the value of the law in society and the rediculousness of killing babies or anything sick like that (either in the vid I showed or another I've seen somewhere - can't remember). I've seen a vid where the black pope is on a radio show and the host continually tries to basically accost him and say that he's a Crowley worshipper and he's into all of this sick twisted stuff, which is quickly dispelled as nonsense. The main focus of this indulgence that they would take part in would be merely in lifestyle choice - nothing lawbreaking, I can assure you (although, as you correctly point out, there are always those who miss the point and just take things way too far). Overall, Satanists are free thinkers which means, as I've said before, they for the most part won't take things to the extreme just because they can literally interpret a doctrine as an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Whoever called it santist shot themself in the foot there. Expecting people to read. Pft. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocobodude0 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 This "religion" (I'm not sure if it'd be called religion, they're not praising anything, and they consider themselves their own gods), does have a decent point or two. Naming it "Satanism" when it, in reality, doesn't really have much to do with Satan at all is pretty stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 This "religion" (I'm not sure if it'd be called religion, they're not praising anything, and they consider themselves their own gods), does have a decent point or two. Naming it "Satanism" when it, in reality, doesn't really have much to do with Satan at all is pretty stupid. Satan means adversary in Hebrew. Also, if you think about it, it's almost designed to get an expected response from, say, a christian. It makes a point in that sense but, of course, some have stronger faith than others. And no, it's not really a religion. I'd call it a philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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