Sorry, but I don't support this idea

 

 

 

You may think that macroers exploited them, but if we remove them, they simply turn to other items like rune ess, or runes in rune shops, or fishes.

 

 

 

We should stop macroers by NOT joining Real life trading, not removing everything in f2p :shame:

I really don't support this, and by the way, there is atleast one place where is yews in f2p.That place is in edgeville yews.

 

 

 

EDIT= wtf I was thinking when I writed that lol...I mean that there is one yew place in f2p where is no macroers or not alot of them)...that place is in edgeville.

And I don't think the bots will get removed since there are new programs to everything, IP-changing programs etc.. etc.. and bots are created everyday, but that doesn't result in removing the ability to cut yews in F2P, the trees aren't the problem + there are also yew cutter macros in P2P, but that doesn't seem like a problem to you?

 

 

 

Besides the macros aren't just after yews, there's lot of other options for them: Willows, Magic trees, sharks, monkfish, swordfish, lobsters, rune ess, iron, coal, gold etc..

 

 

 

As I have stated earlier in the thread, Jagex and the P2P community do a good job of removing bots in P2P.

 

 

 

And once again, an objection centers on bots and not on people who drop trade from level-3 special accounts to their mains.

 

 

 

It's not just about bots, people.

don't remove the yews. if an f2p can cut yews w/o a micro he must be skilled thus just put some lvl 14 somthing atack lvl 20- (or wht ever). the bots are too lazy to train combat thus they wouln't cut yews!

And I don't think the bots will get removed since there are new programs to everything, IP-changing programs etc.. etc.. and bots are created everyday, but that doesn't result in removing the ability to cut yews in F2P, the trees aren't the problem + there are also yew cutter macros in P2P, but that doesn't seem like a problem to you?

 

 

 

Besides the macros aren't just after yews, there's lot of other options for them: Willows, Magic trees, sharks, monkfish, swordfish, lobsters, rune ess, iron, coal, gold etc..

 

 

 

As I have stated earlier in the thread, Jagex and the P2P community do a good job of removing bots in P2P.

 

 

 

And once again, an objection centers on bots and not on people who drop trade from level-3 special accounts to their mains.

 

 

 

It's not just about bots, people.

 

 

 

but as it seems there are still bots in P2P worlds aren't there?

no support as i cut yews but have not sold um yet

So you would like to pay 1k each for yews?

 

 

 

F2pers deserve respect too. Jagex needs to ban auoters, not honest f2pers.

I don't support. The problem's not the trees, it's the macroers.

exactly

Absolutely no support from me.

As a honest f2p, I have to say that not everyone macros. Even though you might think that f2p is just a demo, it is not. F2p does not have much already and you want to take our trees away! F2p pays for its self with ads and helps p2p with raw materails. Take away the yew trees and many f2pers would quit and less would join causing less people becomming members.

srry dude f2p'ers need money like me but its the macroes not the trees...

 

macroes are the problem

its the macroes not the trees...

 

Uhh copycat? No offense...

 

 

 

 

 

I don't support. The problem's not the trees, it's the macroers.

Scorched Earth is a desperation tactic in which you have nothing to lose. Once there are about 30 autoers per tree, that's desperation. But don't take away the trees for that, take away the regular/pure essence split. Ever since then, autoers have been flocking to yews away from the essence, or moved to P2P. That one event is what has ruined yew cutting indefinitly. Keep those autoers on the essence, where competition is insignificant.

the price of yews needs to drop.

Being that I was a f2p for over 1.5 yrs b4 going to members, what the heck would removing the yew trees from F2P do?

 

 

 

1. This is a major source of money on F2P, especially for non-macroing people.

 

 

 

2. Have you ever seen the people that make lvl 3 accounts, they normally drop trade to them, not reverse, and people have made lvl 3 skillers that are rich and don't drop trade to their main accounts or vice-versa. And also, there are plenty of lvl 3 skillers on F2P, should we get rid of them too, so they don't drop trade to their main accounts?

 

 

 

3. F2P is not a demo...if it was a demo, it would not have such a large impact on the RS community, also its not just a demo, because you can get maximum combat level as well as maximums in over 60% of the skills. Although part of the game isn't available, does that make it a demo? (If you say yes, then lets put it this way, RS is constantly expanding, that means it is never complete and it is never completely availabe, wouldn't that make the whole game a demo, whether F2P or P2P? :lol: )

 

 

 

~Ddaaniiellh

It's pretty obvious that no one is supporting this, so just let it die

It's pretty obvious that no one is supporting this, so just let it die

 

 

 

Argumentum ad populum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. This is a major source of money on F2P, especially for non-macroing people.

 

 

 

2. Have you ever seen the people that make lvl 3 accounts, they normally drop trade to them, not reverse, and people have made lvl 3 skillers that are rich and don't drop trade to their main accounts or vice-versa. And also, there are plenty of lvl 3 skillers on F2P, should we get rid of them too, so they don't drop trade to their main accounts?

 

 

 

~Ddaaniiellh

 

 

 

I have no problem with a level 3 skiller, though I question the motivations for making such an account. My problem is with people keeping level 3 accounts and using them as revenue streams for their other characters.

 

 

 

The purpose of F2P is to give you a lengthy trial of the game before you commit to paying more money. Some in the thread think that entitles them to a first-class revenue stream. I do not.

 

 

 

Real skillers know that willows are the faster wc experience. The macroers and skillers at yews are only in it for the money. I have no sympathy for that.

 

 

 

The gold farmers would not move to willows if yews became unavailable - there isn't enough money to justify it - risk vs.reward.

 

The true skillers probably would move back to willows, and I see no harm in that.

If this was a "trial" version of Runescape then you should be able to do anything for a period and you would have to pay to continue playing in the future.

While you do have a point with the "Argumentum ad Populum" arguement, keep one thing in mind. Since Jagex is a corporation, they are mostly in it to stay alive, and keep the revenue flowing. Since the majority of players, if we take this topic as a representation, think that doing this would be a fatal mistake, Jagex will listen to them. If the majority of players leave, they lose the majority of their revenue, which will quite simply lay Jagex to rest. They now this, the majority of players know this, and if I'm right, you know this. You seem to want Runescape to die, for whatever odd reason. My guess is that you think that *Insert random MMO game here* is the only one that deserves to be around, and have grown bored with ours. If you wish to prove me wrong, then please, proceed. :

well i think that there should be some requirements to use axe not only wc lvl like to hold rune axe you have to be attack lvl 55 and there should be new random evend every 45 mins or there should be guy comming and shouting "Fire wave in 5 mins" and it will give you 5 mins to run away but macroers will get set on fire :lol:

While you do have a point with the "Argumentum ad Populum" arguement, keep one thing in mind. Since Jagex is a corporation, they are mostly in it to stay alive, and keep the revenue flowing. Since the majority of players, if we take this topic as a representation, think that doing this would be a fatal mistake, Jagex will listen to them. If the majority of players leave, they lose the majority of their revenue, which will quite simply lay Jagex to rest. They now this, the majority of players know this, and if I'm right, you know this. You seem to want Runescape to die, for whatever odd reason. My guess is that you think that *Insert random MMO game here* is the only one that deserves to be around, and have grown bored with ours. If you wish to prove me wrong, then please, proceed. :

 

 

 

I don't play any other MMOs.

 

 

 

And free players have no economic leverage. I'd wager the biggest part of free players have adblocking software that nerfs the banners.

 

 

 

So really, I think a mass exodus of players is just an empty threat.

While you might have a point in the ad-blocking software, keep one thing in mind. Remember that little thing saying "There are *insert random number* people playing!" at the top of the homepage for Runescape? What would some new dude to runescape say if he looked at the site one day, and the next the number of people playing dropped by over 50%? Most would probably think that this game isn't as good as they thought. Also, it's just common sense that at least some members stay that way so they can brag to their f2p friends about all that they have. If most f2pers were to quit, then a proportional number of members would become bored with the game, and stop playing. Part of the draw of all MMO's is the community aspect, and F2P is at least 50% of it, if you take out people with multiple accounts (not just bots and f2p only). Basically, if a good deal of people didn't have friends here, they would have quit a LONG time ago. Get the picture now, Sherlock? :roll:

this is [/i][/b] the worst idea ever. I cut yews all the time, and I have never used a macro in my life. Yews or something f2p already have, and if you remove it, many people are going to get really angry at jagex. Not only is it a good money source for f2p, it's also a cheaper way for members to buy yews. removing yews from f2p would screw up the economy badly.

While you might have a point in the ad-blocking software, keep one thing in mind. Remember that little thing saying "There are *insert random number* people playing!" at the top of the homepage for Runescape? What would some new dude to runescape say if he looked at the site one day, and the next the number of people playing dropped by over 50%? Most would probably think that this game isn't as good as they thought. Also, it's just common sense that at least some members stay that way so they can brag to their f2p friends about all that they have. If most f2pers were to quit, then a proportional number of members would become bored with the game, and stop playing. Part of the draw of all MMO's is the community aspect, and F2P is at least 50% of it, if you take out people with multiple accounts (not just bots and f2p only). Basically, if a good deal of people didn't have friends here, they would have quit a LONG time ago. Get the picture now, Sherlock? :roll:

 

 

 

Following that logic, Jagex should never do anything to reduce the numbers - and that includes banning people for any offense.

 

 

 

It's not just about inflating numbers. This is just a variant of argumentum ad populum - and a not well thought out one at that.

Kicking rulebreakers isn't the problem. If you will actually use your head, then you'd know this. For just kicking rulebreakers to drop the number down drastically enough to seriously damage the game's image the ammount would have to be at least 35%. And like I said; if a corporation does something to make over a third of their customers, which is what may very well happen (or at least appear to, thanks to the player counter), then it becomes extremely difficult to pull back up from that dive, especially for a MMO. Anyone who has taken an economics class &/or has some common sense w/ an intellect higher than an 8 year old spoiled brat should be able to figure this out.