Why are there yew trees in F2P?

[lordkafei]

Walk around any F2P world and check out the yews. There's a plague of green & tan level-3s running back and forth.

 

 

 

We all know these are either (1) sweatshop bots or (2) ancillary characters who will drop trade their goods to a main account.

 

 

 

Jagex needs to cowboy up and admit that their bot-sniffing technology can never keep up with bot writers.

 

 

 

F2P yew trees need to be replaced with maples or perhaps even less. Or leave them as yews, but make them decorative and uncuttable.

[Freesia]

What should any features occupied by macroers be removed? Now think, if there were no macroers, yew trees are good moneymakers in f2p. Even without yews, they will just flock to other raw materials, in the end nothing is done.

[jemathonical]

No support...

[nacfan]

i dont support, think about a player who needs money. yew trees is a good way to earn as a f2p! what happens when you remove them?

 

 

 

-oh, lets mine coal then: oh dang macroers again, lets remove all coal rocks to.

 

-oh well, lets go catch some lobs then: oh dang, again macroers?? lets remove all lobs fishing spots to

 

 

 

etc...

[lordkafei]

All very good suggestions. If you can't fence out the wolves, poison the well. "Scorched earth" all the way.

[flava0falcon]

you are not serious....right?! oh wait! you are! omg! that will be stupid and you can be 100% sure this won't stop autoers there just won't be any next to yew trees since there will be no yew trees...what about fishing bots? mining bots? and if you replace yews with maples you will still have woodcutting bots :XD:

[hal020wns]

no support, moneymaking makes more easy with yews. jagex needs to work on macroers, not on deleting skills they use

 

 

 

-no support-

[Natasa777]

no support

 

if they remove yew trees then macroers would move to willows or they would start mass fishing. I'm F2p and i would be disapointed if they removed all yews. Maybe they should add more yews so then they would be less crowded.

[hohto]

With that logic we should remove yew trees from whole game. Why? That would just rise the price as demand would stay at pretty much the same but supply would get a big hit. This would just mean more autoers to p2p yews. Also with that logic we should remove almost everything from the game that can be autoed and made money from it. This includes dragons, pure ess, ores, fishing, woodcutting, high alch, etc.

 

 

 

Scorched earth strategy is only useful when it helps you. This would just cause horrible things to legit players and thus it's not worth doing. However I gotta gongratulate you, this is even worse idea to the autoing problem than adding extra muggers to certain areas.

[kelbri]

No no no, NO support. I can cut Yews, but I never go there, cause of the bots. I stay at willows that have nobody else around and do some firemaking at the same time. I would love to cut yews for money and experience, but I can't.

 

 

 

Plus, as others have said countless times already, the bots would move to p2p maples, yews, magics... etc. Would you rather see them there? What about mining everywhere? Or fishing more than they are?

 

 

 

Bad Idea.

[deyan2]

No support, btw if you watch carefully you will see that Jagex does ban them loads faster as before, you will also see that they hardly ever have rune axes at the moment (a long time ago they allmost allways got a rune axe). They also are hardly ever higher as lvl 70 (long time ago I have seen whole lists of lvl 90+ if you want pic ask me for it, I'll show you). Next to that also the price of rs gp's drops, even in aziatic (or however I must write that) site's, this is all because runescape players are way more affraid to buy it along these site's. Btw I am f2p and I think edgeville remains the best spot to cut yew logs and because there are loads of normal peoples there do the macroers get banned another faster.

[The Observer]

Absolutely no support. Do you realize the huge impact it would have? It would damage or even ruin the RuneScape economy! P2P players will pay the price even more than F2P players. No yew longbows, so P2P players can't alch them for a profit.

 

 

 

Secondly, the bots themselves would move to willows or become members and then cut yews.

 

 

 

Thirdly, would this solve the other bots? What about fishing and mining bots? Would you eliminate lobsters and swordfish just becasue of them? What bout F2P training? This would decimate F2P clans completely.

[NJE03]

A better solution would be to remove all autoers from the game instead removing yews from F2P. Though obviously that is easier said than done.

[slickmovedud]

No support...

 

 

 

totally agree, sorry to say, yews should stay as they are.

 

 

 

[EDIT]Why even make a subject on this???? IT is so pointless. Why take away more f2p things, when we get about 1 decent update a year?

 

 

 

P.S. this is more of a rant than a suggestion.

[ember3579]

If you pay attention, the "scorched earth" strategy has only been used in the most desperate situations, thanks to the base of the strategy. This means, the only way that Jagex would use it is if macroers made up more than 30% of all runescape accounts. From my understanding, this number is actually around 1-2%. For Jagex to use that strategem at this stage would be financial suicide. You obviously either WANT runescape to die or are too ignorant to even know what the hell you're talking about. Mods, if you will please lock this, we will be most grateful.

[lordkafei]

Let's see ...a few ad hominems, and a few pleas that it will hurt P2P, because the P2P players apparently can't be bothered to cut their own wood for fletching.

 

 

 

Why do you think bots would move to willows in lieu of yews? At some point, it's just not rewarding enough to auto. Yews are 300 each, right? Suppose we make the F2P yews decorative and the bots all move to willows @ 30. In one swoop, we have cut the bot's slice of the economy to 10% of what it is with yews.

 

 

 

Do you really think the sweatshops and bots would move to willows? I think most would not. The reward wouldn't be worth it. The bots aren't playing to powerlevel, they are in the game to make real-world money or to drop trade their gains to a main account player who didn't want to do his own woodcutting.

 

 

 

And I think a similar approach to the other raw materials would get rid of much of the rest of the bot population.

 

 

 

At some point, we are going to have to stop looking at F2P as a cheap source for raw materials.

[ember3579]

Am I correct in assuming you're of the mind that f2p should be removed? Because the turn you seem to have screams that from the mountaintops. And they likely wouldn't move to willows, you're correct there. They would move to the mining guild, kramja, and other places, as well as p2p. This would, as others have stated, cause the other areas, which are already congested, to become almost impossible to do anything in. If you keep on removing stuff for the autoers to auto in f2p, they'll migrate in larger and larger numbers to p2p. This would cause a massive backup in the p2p servers, which could cause a great deal of players to stop paying. Also, since everything has been removed from f2p by this point, a great deal of people will have left from there. The resulting drop in people playing would lead to those who are skimming the runescape homepage to think that it isn't as good as was thought. Jagex loses money in 4 ways; the cost to add more member servers at a faster rate, the loss of potential paying players, the loss of currently paying players, and the need to upgrade detection software, which does have its limits. I think Jagex would promptly shoot this down if it were on the official forums for those reasons.

[lordkafei]

And as I have said before in this thread, you neuter the other skills too.

 

 

 

I don't personally see a lot of trade in swordies or tuna on P2P, but you could easily neuter those on F2P if you think autoers would go there.

 

 

 

Coal is the real problem. It's used in almost everything that is smithed. For that I don't have an answer.

 

 

 

But that doesn't mean we can't fix the yew problem.

 

 

 

I must really be hitting on a nerve here...

[Tetsuya]

I don't support. The problem's not the trees, it's the macroers.

[unorclan]

I don't support. The problem's not the trees, it's the macroers.

 

 

 

exactly

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[unkn0wnwarrior]

Punish honest free players because of dishonest ones? This would not work out, as others have said, so :thumbdown:

[drapit]

If yews are removed, bots will start mining coal ores. If coal rocks, too, are removed, they'll start killing hill giants for their bones, this list is endless. Even if non-member is removed, they'll all get membership.

[sam10187]

I don't support. What about the honest F2Pers who want to cut yews?

[hohto]

Let's see ...a few ad hominems, and a few pleas that it will hurt P2P, because the P2P players apparently can't be bothered to cut their own wood for fletching.

 

 

 

- False. Yew trees are being cut even at p2p servers too.

 

 

 

Why do you think bots would move to willows in lieu of yews? At some point, it's just not rewarding enough to auto. Yews are 300 each, right? Suppose we make the F2P yews decorative and the bots all move to willows @ 30. In one swoop, we have cut the bot's slice of the economy to 10% of what it is with yews.

 

 

 

- They will just find new things to make cash. It could be willows, it could be coal or it could be picking up wooden shields and selling to general stores. In the worst scenario it would mean even more p2p bots. We already got loads of those but by removing yews from f2p, we'd get even more.

 

 

 

I don't personally see a lot of trade in swordies or tuna on P2P

 

 

 

Of course you don't. Lobsters are faster than swordies, monkfish and sharks are better than swordies and so on. The only real reason to use tunas and swordies would be to fish swordies for f2p pkin and tunas for training.

 

 

 

I said it once and I'll say it again. This is the worst antiauto idea I've heard so far.