Why are there yew trees in F2P?

[lordkafei]

 

- They will just find new things to make cash. It could be willows, it could be coal or it could be picking up wooden shields and selling to general stores. In the worst scenario it would mean even more p2p bots. We already got loads of those but by removing yews from f2p, we'd get even more.

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the thriving wooden shield market. :lol:

 

 

 

Do you really think the bots would still be running for willow logs that sell for 20-30gp? I don't, and we covered this in an earlier post. Others here concur with me.

 

 

 

I doubt the bots would migrate to P2P. The membership fee would deter most of them and the higher level of policing that Jagex does on P2P would take care of the rest.

 

 

 

 

Of course you don't. Lobsters are faster than swordies, monkfish and sharks are better than swordies and so on. The only real reason to use tunas and swordies would be to fish swordies for f2p pkin and tunas for training.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. But some here think yew bots would move to swordies if they couldn't cut yews on F2P.

 

 

 

 

I said it once and I'll say it again. This is the worst antiauto idea I've heard so far.

 

 

 

Once again, I strike a nerve. \

 

 

 

The "economy" isn't some sacred status quo that must be protected at all costs. The economy exists to serve the game, not vice versa.

[Gehackte]

:shame: bad bad idea i would lose all my money and beside they didnt make the game to destroy it later on

[no_way2go]

 

I doubt the bots would migrate to P2P. The membership fee would deter most of them and the higher level of policing that Jagex does on P2P would take care of the rest.

 

 

 

 

There already are lots of bots in p2p: flax, sharks, pure essence and yes also yews.

[flava0falcon]

 

- They will just find new things to make cash. It could be willows, it could be coal or it could be picking up wooden shields and selling to general stores. In the worst scenario it would mean even more p2p bots. We already got loads of those but by removing yews from f2p, we'd get even more.

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the thriving wooden shield market. :lol:

 

 

 

Do you really think the bots would still be running for willow logs that sell for 20-30gp? I don't, and we covered this in an earlier post. Others here concur with me.

 

 

 

I doubt the bots would migrate to P2P. The membership fee would deter most of them and the higher level of policing that Jagex does on P2P would take care of the rest.

 

 

 

 

Of course you don't. Lobsters are faster than swordies, monkfish and sharks are better than swordies and so on. The only real reason to use tunas and swordies would be to fish swordies for f2p pkin and tunas for training.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. But some here think yew bots would move to swordies if they couldn't cut yews on F2P.

 

 

 

 

I said it once and I'll say it again. This is the worst antiauto idea I've heard so far.

 

 

 

Once again, I strike a nerve. \

 

 

 

The "economy" isn't some sacred status quo that must be protected at all costs. The economy exists to serve the game, not vice versa.

 

ley me give you a little tip: before posting about something its good to know a little about it...bots do exist in p2p servers! atleast if the 1 who made the bot is smart enough because they really cover for the "money loss" of paying jagex by sharks, p ess and other stuff and if those who arent smart enough to go to p2p they will move to willows or to other auto methode (fishing, mining ETC) and yes the economy is for the game and not the game for the economy but its like eating fish&chips without fish its stupid! you can't play RS today with no economy/with a really really bad economy...well just 1 last thing they shouldnt replace f2p resources they should eliminate bots! which is ofcours easier to say than accomplish but jagex are doing a fine job with taking care of autos (they couldnt do better but thats another discussion)

[hohto]

Ah yes, the thriving wooden shield market. :lol:

 

 

 

Do you really think the bots would still be running for willow logs that sell for 20-30gp? I don't, and we covered this in an earlier post. Others here concur with me.

 

 

 

They auto what's profitable. If you remove one thing to auto, they go for other things.

 

 

 

I doubt the bots would migrate to P2P. The membership fee would deter most of them and the higher level of policing that Jagex does on P2P would take care of the rest.

 

 

 

When did you last time log in to a p2p server? They are already there and it's not just 1 or 2. As long as they can make there cash more than spent on the p2p, it's worth it for them. Removing yews from f2p would cause higher yew log prices, thus more autoing people at p2p yews and at other p2p places.

 

 

 

But some here think yew bots would move to swordies if they couldn't cut yews on F2P.

 

 

 

That would be one potential thing. You can make profit with them, so I wouldn't be surprised if they or lobsters became the next big thing if f2p yews got removed.

 

 

 

The "economy" isn't some sacred status quo that must be protected at all costs. The economy exists to serve the game, not vice versa.

 

 

 

We play this point because it's fun. Money plays a role in here. By taking away a major source of raw materials and a way to make money would just make more people to quit.

 

 

 

And yea, you didn't hit any nerve. You just made a stupid suggestion.

[Nenga]

bad idea. autoers would just become members and mess us up. Jest because f2p is messed up doesn't mean p2p has to share the same fate.

[RpgGamer]

woah woah woah...slow down there =;

 

i'm all for taking out the bots, but taking out the yews? thats a bit harsh towards the f2p community. granted Jagex split essence to solve a bot problem before...could that solution be used against yews? :ohnoes: i sure hope not :ohnoes:

[lordkafei]

It's not a stupid suggestion at all - it just rubs some of you the wrong way and you choose to demonize it.

 

 

 

F2P is supposed to be a trial of the main game. A trial version of RuneScape doesn't need higher level means of making money. Willows are high enough for you to decide if you want to pursue woodcutting more seriously; trout and salmon are enough for you to decide if fishing is your bag and bronze bars are enough for you to get the finer points of smithing.

 

 

 

Allowing yew cutting on F2P just encourages the use of bots and low-level side characters to do the actual muling for the high level kingpins.

 

 

 

Some of you state that there are already bots on P2P and that is true to a certain extent. But Jagex does police P2P more and to some extent, the P2P user base does a decent job of self-policing ("reporting") bad apples.

 

 

 

There is no such community on F2P, nor is there a Jagex presence of any significance. Bots and level-3s run wild.

 

 

 

Since the F2P community can't be counted on to police itself, and Jagex won't police it, it's time for Jagex to just go "scorched earth" and take the profit out of F2P.

 

 

 

The profit in willows or wooden shields does not balance out the effort, so bots will not migrate to those items. Likewise for trout, salmon, low ores.

 

 

 

The status quo doesn't work. It's time to stop defending it and start taking the profit out of F2P.

[heartless619]

no support.....its not the Yews causing the problem...(well in a way it is but no....) its the macros...and Yews are the only good way way to make money in f2p...well decent money

[ember3579]

Do keep in mind that if we were to do what you ask and demote everything f2p has down to just level 15 at max, this has a good chance of destroying f2p, for reasons already stated. I have already directed a moderator to this thread, and we will see what he thinks.

[lordkafei]

I really don't care if a moderator likes it or not. I can put it on the web or any number of places. And you guys can just keep hiding your heads in the sand. ;-)

 

 

 

Muling and bots are destroying this game. The status quo doesn't work. Get over it.

 

 

 

My proposal takes the incentives for muling and botting out of the game, and still allows a trial of the game for an indefinite period. You get to learn how to do all the the skills, you just don't get to make a ton of money at it.

[Albel]

No support. If i became a non-member again, that where my money would come from.

 

-no support-

[Lord_Gromit]

There are shark bots, blue dragon bots, and green dragon bots, so lets remove those from the game too.

[kelbri]

There are shark bots, blue dragon bots, and green dragon bots, so lets remove those from the game too.

 

No no, just from P2P. They'll have to create a new version of the game, UP2P (Ultra Pay 2 Play). In this version, you get to do whatever you want. Whining members, like the creator of this thread, can re-write the game to the way THEY want it, cause they obviously know how to do it better than Jagex...

 

 

 

I know that you have the right to freedom of speech, but seriously, when did you EVER think you would get people to go along with this half-baked scheme to destory the game, for both f2p AND p2p?

[ThruItAll]

This is a more of a rant I think, besides yew trees are good money makers for free-to-play, they do deserve something after all.

[hackedpunk]

no support. at all.

[br34d]

eventually the (macro) program writers will just change the color to the new tree. i think the should put a colored filter over the minimap so macroers wouldnt know where they would be going.

[rareghoul1]

ummm, actually more autoers are at willows then at yews, so getting rid of yews would be worthless, as well just scare away all f2p. although, this could get jagex moore money if they do it well...

[eagleman1125]

Just to add my two cents to this little dose of insanity, here's my idea:

 

GET RID OF ALL THE LEVEL 3 PLAYERS!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

 

This would not harm Runescape at all, because then those pure skillers who are so proud of their lvl 3 combat would be knocked out of the game before they could advance a combat level. The bots would also be gone, but then they would just come back and gain 1 combat level before going back to the yew trees. The established players would get to cut yews for a few weeks until the bots get back up to 60 wc, but then jagex would have to GET RID OF ALL THE LEVEL 3 PLAYERS AGAIN!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

 

only this time the bots would be lvl 4 combat, so instead, jagex would have to GET RID OF ALL THE LEVEL 4 PLAYERS!!!!!!!! :twisted: MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

 

 

 

Of course, if this doesn't appeal, there's always my little brother's suggestion:

 

OFFICIAL RUNESCAPE PKING LVL 3'S DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: Who wants to go all the way up to the Wilderness to kill other players when you can just go to the yew trees and 1-hit all the lvl 3 bots? Never mind that you would probably get all the lvl 3 pure skillers at the same time, they would just be casualties of our anti-bot Crusade!!! :thumbsup:

[Blipi2]

I'm not supporting this idea, besides not all the F2P players are macros and it would just take damage to the good players, and to make out what you are saying, you hate F2P? what about those people whose parents won't let them become member or those who doesn't have time for it and what about those who thinks that it's not worth to pay?

[kelbri]

I'm not supporting this idea, besides not all the F2P players are macros and it would just take damage to the good players, and to make out what you are saying, you hate F2P? what about those people whose parents won't let them become member or those who doesn't have time for it and what about those who thinks that it's not worth to pay?

 

That's me... Until I am done my house renovations, I am not looking at paying for membership, because I only play, on average, 3 or 4 hours per week. It's not alot of money, but that's not alot of time to play either.

 

 

 

As I said before, no support!

[schmuall]

seriously and awful idea. Ever heard the term "cut off your nose to spite your face"? Jagex would be hurting itself more than it would the macroers.

 

 

 

1 way of slowing the macroers down would be to introduce a new quest. A really easy one sorta like "A new illness has hit Runescape and it's killing all the yew trees" and you have to complete the quest to be able to cut them. A the quest would be easy but random. Just like the oracle in Dragon Slayer, you have to get 4 random things and bring them to someone (wize old man?) so that he can cure the trees. It would mean that a human (who could read english) would actually ahve to complete the quest so it would require a lot more effort on behalf of the macroers.

 

 

 

Alternatively you could move all yew to the wildy!!! Wouldn't that be fun :thumbsup:

[ember3579]

Here's an idea; DON'T POST IN THIS TOPIC! I think this whole board would be appreciative if this topic fell off the boards. Thank you! :wall: :

[lordkafei]

Well, I will keep it alive.

 

 

 

You all keep harping on the bots and improved bot detection. But, as I keep repeating: it's not just bots. It's also about all the people with low-level side characters who do all the wc on some level-3 and then drop trade to their mains.

 

 

 

It's easy to sit around and blame the bots - but that's just dishonest.

 

 

 

How many of you keep side characters to do the work of gathering raw materials? And how will removing the bots fix that side of the problem?

 

 

 

The answer: it won't.

 

 

 

But so many players are in denial. Those evil autoing bots or the sweatshop players overseas are the problem. But you are blind to your own roles in the problem.

 

 

 

There is no legit reason for F2P to have access to yew trees. Jagex should change it so that when you try to cut a yew on F2P, you get the message "You need to be on a member's server to cut yew trees."

 

 

 

Simple fix.

 

 

 

You will never be able to outsmart human players or bot writers with any other strategy.

[Blipi2]

There is no legit reason for F2P to have access to yew trees. Jagex should change it so that when you try to cut a yew on F2P, you get the message "You need to be on a member's server to cut yew trees."

 

 

 

There's no legit reason for F2P players to not have access to yew trees?

 

 

 

And I don't think the bots will get removed since there are new programs to everything, IP-changing programs etc.. etc.. and bots are created everyday, but that doesn't result in removing the ability to cut yews in F2P, the trees aren't the problem + there are also yew cutter macros in P2P, but that doesn't seem like a problem to you?

 

 

 

Besides the macros aren't just after yews, there's lot of other options for them: Willows, Magic trees, sharks, monkfish, swordfish, lobsters, rune ess, iron, coal, gold etc..