Global Warming topic

[misterxman]

Merged both Global Warming topics into this one.

[Blipo]

"The Silver Bullet". A thought-provoking look at while no one should really give a damn about whether or not climate change is caused by humans!

[llcoolguy972]

I don't need science to prove my point. The only comeback I can think of is the earth has been changing how it's functioned for as long as the earth has been here. For example, last year, in my state, it snowed on Thanksgiving and lasted through march. Though this year in my state we've only had one snowfall, and it was a city covered in ice*. So the world is constantly changing. We know that.

 

 

 

So we should completely forget all the years of scientific research? All the graphs, charts, and data that clearly proves our point? Just ignore all the signs that point to humans, and listen to you because the snowfall in one state out of the ENTIRE WORLD changed?

[adam_ross0]

To be honest, I don't really care anymore. You can call me whatever you want..have at it. I'm just sick of environmentalists going 'Oh gosh look our ice caps r melting we gunna die HAH TOLD YA SO. Reduce ur carbin footprint & you can help change dis! SAVE THE WHALES!!'..they're literally cramming it down my throat. I don't want to hear more about it..and I really don't care either.

[Rebdragon]

Global warming has been described as the biggest problem facing our future on several occasions by the likes of leading politicians, yes, including George Bush. However, some people are too stubborn or love a conspiracy too much to believe that global warming is directly linked to us.

 

 

 

So, now it's away with the pro-natural views and time to shed some light on the commonly agreed truth: Humans are the cause of global warming..

 

 

 

Sure, you could move onto another post at this stage because of your reluctance to believe, but I severely recommend that you persevere the length of the post and gain knowledge of the truth.

 

 

 

Lets start with what the scientists think: At a climate science conference in 2005, all 912 attendees agreed that global warming was being caused by human activity; burning fossil fuels.

 

 

 

Are you a scientist? Would you like to conduct an experiment to disprove the theory of manmade global warming? I encourage you to go ahead. But you may be wasting your time...

 

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Now time to disprove some other theories...

 

 

 

"It's the suns fault!"

 

 

Solar variation hasn't changed in the last few decades, but average Antarctic ice thickness has generally gone down:

 

 

 

 

"It's a conspiracy!"

 

Yes, so was your parents lying to you about the tooth fairy. This is a little more serious now my dear.

 

 

 

...and some attitudes...

 

 

 

"I don't care!"

 

If you don't care then you can be described in two words: Ignorant and Inconsiderate. If you watched the news from Europe on September 11th 2001, did you think "I don't care LOLSeRs!!!!"? You'll care when you see others suffering on the television.

 

 

 

"I'll be dead before then"

 

That's not possible because as you read this, it's happening. Not the worst part yet, that's for sure.

 

 

 

"When I see it, I'll believe it."

 

What if you already have seen it? Flooding? Hurricanes? Perhaps not all global warming's fault, but almost certainly enhanced by it.

 

 

 

Ok then, lets dumb it down a little...

 

Global warming => Too much evidence supporting the theory.

 

 

 

Still not believe it? In that case, there's not much I can do to change your mind. Believe what you want, but for the rest of us...

 

 

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

You, nor anyone, is going to disprove anything. Sorry, I just saw The Great Global Warming Swindle last week, and I'm a little biased (that, or informed equally about both sides of the issue). It's just, Ya'll need to stop acting so dogmatic about this :| .

 

 

 

Open up your minds, and try not to put your heart into one side when we know so very little :| . This isn't the "truth", it's an opinion.

[warri0r45]

"The Silver Bullet". A thought-provoking look at while no one should really give a damn about whether or not climate change is caused by humans!

 

 

 

That's a good vid. I'll give you another pro for acting now; our race gets to sustain our current way of living. If we keep ignoring it we'll get into the dangerous mentality of non-action which leads to sustainability issues for the human race with regards to energy production. I'm keen on what I can know. I know that if we don't act to reduce reliance on fossil fuels, we'll get a right kick up the backside when we get to the last barrel of oil.

[Tigra00]

I like all the nifty graphs. They're so cute.

 

 

 

It's too bad that they don't change the fact that Mars has also heated up, and completely lacks any cars or power plants to pump out Co2.

 

 

 

Oh snap. Graph that.

[Marco]

I like all the nifty graphs. They're so cute.

 

 

 

It's too bad that they don't change the fact that Mars has also heated up, and completely lacks any cars or power plants to pump out Co2.

 

 

 

Oh snap. Graph that.

 

 

 

:lol: Nice.

 

 

 

As with some people here, I think the whole humans destroying the planet has been blown way out of proportion, yes, we're having an effect on the planet by simply living on it, but if civilisation as we know it today was still in, say, the Roman times of early A.D, would Earth still be going through the same phase it is now from the way we live?

 

Maybe some people like pumping their egos by underestimating how completly insignificant humans are in the universe. Heck, in the Milky Way. Actually, maybe some people just don't see what little impact we make on even our own solar system.

 

Planets change.

[warri0r45]

I like all the nifty graphs. They're so cute.

 

 

 

It's too bad that they don't change the fact that Mars has also heated up, and completely lacks any cars or power plants to pump out Co2.

 

 

 

Oh snap. Graph that.

 

 

 

:lol: Nice.

 

 

 

As with some people here, I think the whole humans destroying the planet has been blown way out of proportion, yes, we're having an effect on the planet by simply living on it, but if civilisation as we know it today was still in, say, the Roman times of early A.D, would Earth still be going through the same phase it is now from the way we live?

 

Maybe some people like pumping their egos by underestimating how completly insignificant humans are in the universe. Heck, in the Milky Way. Actually, maybe some people just don't see what little impact we make on even our own solar system.

 

Planets change.

 

 

 

Of course we have a completely insignificant effect on our galaxy and solar system but on this planet the environmental effects we've put it through are noticable, be they global warming or otherwise. It's not ego saying it's people that do alot of damage to this planet - it's basic ecology.

[malo2]

Global warming has been described as the biggest problem facing our future on several occasions by the likes of leading politicians, yes, including George Bush. However, some people are too stubborn or love a conspiracy too much to believe that global warming is directly linked to us.

 

 

 

So, now it's away with the pro-natural views and time to shed some light on the commonly agreed truth: Humans are the cause of global warming..

 

 

 

Sure, you could move onto another post at this stage because of your reluctance to believe, but I severely recommend that you persevere the length of the post and gain knowledge of the truth.

 

 

 

Lets start with what the scientists think: At a climate science conference in 2005, all 912 attendees agreed that global warming was being caused by human activity; burning fossil fuels.

 

 

 

Are you a scientist? Would you like to conduct an experiment to disprove the theory of manmade global warming? I encourage you to go ahead. But you may be wasting your time...

 

 

 

Look at the following graph:

 

 

If you haven't already figured it out, it shows the unexplained error in temperature from the analysis of atmosphere now and in the past. The different coloured lines represent different sources/results. We can clearly see that at the end towards the present day, there is a massive anomaly of results. Here's our first point.

are you telling me that the temperature right now is 4 time higher than it was in them middle ages? are you out of your mind? Oh never mind, I understand now, our bodies evolved in less than 1000 years to survive in those temperatures.

 

 

 

Please do some research about your sources before you open your mouth.

 

 

 

Secondly, observe the following graph:

 

 

It shows the average carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere in parts per million (ppm). Currently this stands at 383 ppm. Forty years ago it was 320 ppm. A 16% increase in 40 years. Lets zoom out a little:

 

 

Now we can see that at no point in the last 400,000 years has carbon dioxide been at such a high concentration, the lowest being some 180 ppm. Here's our second point.

 

 

 

Now we can determine a general trend. As carbon dioxide levels rise, so do

Mind telling me why you think carbon dioxide is involved with the warming of the planet? Secondly, that makes little sense, because science has proven many times over that the amount of carbon humans release is a joke compared to most other parts of the natural world.

 

 

Now time to disprove some other theories...

 

 

 

"It's the suns fault!"

 

 

Solar variation hasn't changed in the last few decades, but average Antarctic ice thickness has generally gone down:

 

 

here something I learned in 4th grade. The ice on the poles are the remains of the last ice age, with todays natural temperatures, and the temperatures that were around in the past 2,000 years, the polar caps are not supposed to be there to begin with. Whatever is left of the two poles has been melting for thousands of years, and the rate o which has been rising exponentially. i would be a lot more concerned if they were not melting.

 

 

"It's a conspiracy!"

 

Yes, so was your parents lying to you about the tooth fairy. This is a little more serious now my dear.

 

are you high?

 

 

 

...and some attitudes...

 

 

 

"I don't care!"

 

If you don't care then you can be described in two words: Ignorant and Inconsiderate. If you watched the news from Europe on September 11th 2001, did you think "I don't care LOLSeRs!!!!"? You'll care when you see others suffering on the television.

 

 

 

"I'll be dead before then"

 

That's not possible because as you read this, it's happening. Not the worst part yet, that's for sure.

 

 

 

"When I see it, I'll believe it."

 

What if you already have seen it? Flooding? Hurricanes? Perhaps not all global warming's fault, but almost certainly enhanced by it.

heroin? cocaine....?

 

Ok then, lets dumb it down a little...

 

Global warming => Too much evidence supporting the theory.

 

 

 

Still not believe it? In that case, there's not much I can do to change your mind. Believe what you want, but for the rest of us...

 

 

 

 

actually there is very little good evidence...

 

 

 

anyway, I'm no climate expert, but you are much farther from it. All you did was pull up some bs arguments form the Inconvenient Truth with no research of your own what so ever. You know nothing about most of the stuff you said, all you did was listen to it and nod like a parrot.

 

 

 

before you ever decide to make more posts on OT, please do you own research rather than being a parrot, and grow some common sense.

 

 

 

 

 

There is little evidence that global warming is caused by humans, its really nothing more than a very corrupt political game. I am not willing to waste time or anything for that matter on something thats very unlikely to be true.

 

 

 

I'm sure I could have a mature global warming debate with someone, but it's definetly not going to be you ecopetition, because it's completely useless, you are nothing more than a parrot who has no idea what he is talking about.

[Ambassadar]

So what caused the "Medieval Warm Period?"

 

 

 

are you telling me that the temperature right now is 4 time higher than it was in them middle ages? are you out of your mind? Oh never mind, I understand now, our bodies evolved in less than 1000 years to survive in those temperatures.

 

 

 

Please do some research about your sources before you open your mouth.

 

No need to be so rude to him just because you disagree... Besides... you might want to check the units and range of the Y axis of that graph you blast him so badly or before you insult him like that.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Can I be clear on one thing? There is not one scientist on this Earth that believes Global Warming isn't happening. What the debate is over is how is it being caused.

 

 

 

Now, I do the sciences and History at A2 Level at college, and so far as even I can see, the evidence is conclusive. The climate only started changing as rapidly as it is now as soon as the Industrial Revolution started and the need for Coal and Oil plants developed as industrialists moved away from using water wheels as a source of power. The change starts to get even more rapid towards the end of the IR, into the early 20th Century, when cars, planes and tanks were mass-produced, partly escalated by WWII. Going beyond that, the rate becomes even more rapid, as cars become accessible by the working classes in the post-war Western World, and millions of people start to emit their own greenhouse gases.

 

 

 

We know Global Warming is happening, and to some extent, we even know what chemicals cause it. What we don't know is the technicalities behind Global Warming, for example, the mechanisms of the photochemical reactions in our atmosphere, and it's only this that scientists really disagree on.

 

 

 

When I hear of these 'counter-thories', I see one thing - a load of conservatives that aren't prepared to sacrifice their quality of life for the preservance of future generations, and I find this kind of attitude ignorant.

[ecopetition]

Ya'll need to stop acting so dogmatic about this .

 

 

 

Oh, all of the principles I stated are proven scientific experiments.

 

 

 

Have you ever noticed that on this subject, people against the idea of human-inflicted global warming always slander the others and feel the need to use large text to get their point across?

 

 

 

There is little evidence that global warming is caused by humans.

 

Please read my post then reply.

[Nitramosma]

Yes. Carbon levels have been rising. Yes. Average global temperature has been rising. But there are two things that are often neglected. One: Is there a causal link? Check out this shocking bit of evidence.

 

 

Oh my gosh....WE ALL NEED TO BECOME PIRATES TO FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING. Or....it could be that there is no link, just as there isn't one with carbon emissions and global average temp. The other thing that people seem to assume is that we have a significant effect on the carbon in the atmosphere in the first place. Generally there are large ammounts of carbon in the atmosphere shortly after an ice age and in the grand scale of the earth the last ice age was fairly recent. Frankly, I've never seen anything that proves to me that there are two things: 1)SIGNIFICANT global climate change and 2) Human influence in the climate change that has been seen.

[Rebdragon]

Ya'll need to stop acting so dogmatic about this .

 

 

 

Oh, all of the principles I stated are proven scientific experiments.

 

 

 

Have you ever noticed that on this subject, people against the idea of human-inflicted global warming always slander the others and feel the need to use large text to get their point across?

 

"Slander"? "Against the idea of human-inflicted global warming"?

 

 

 

I never said I had taken a side. I havn't. Wana know why? Because there is still plenty of uncertainty on both sides. I'm not attacking you, I'm not slandering you, I'm not even arguing against you. I'm just saying that you need to stop acting so frikking dogmatic and open up your eyes to both sides of the debate. Your opinion isn't Truth. It's an opinion. Calm down, and deal with it.

 

 

 

Geez, I think I'd rather be talking to an extreme fundamentalist or something...

[Agunimon979]

I know there's glaciers melting and carbon dioxide increasing blah blah blah but please show me it's humans adding all that carbon dioxide.

[Ambassadar]

Agunimon, I am on your side in that I don't think it is possible to say we *know* definitively what is happening right now. You don't help that case when you ask for it to be shown that humans are adding CO2 to our atmosphere.

 

 

 

You can calculate how much CO2 humans have added to the atmosphere merely by calculating how much CO2 is produced in the combustion process from all the fossil fuels that have been burned.

 

 

 

The question is not if humans have put CO2 into the atmosphere but rather what is the impact of that CO2 and is it the culprit or rather something to do with energy output of the sun, absorption rate of the Earth due to cloud cover or any combination of many factors which might include human CO2 output.

[Agunimon979]

Agunimon, I am on your side in that I don't think it is possible to say we *know* definitively what is happening right now. You don't help that case when you ask for it to be shown that humans are adding CO2 to our atmosphere.

 

 

 

You can calculate how much CO2 humans have added to the atmosphere merely by calculating how much CO2 is produced in the combustion process from all the fossil fuels that have been burned.

 

 

 

The question is not if humans have put CO2 into the atmosphere but rather what is the impact of that CO2 and is it the culprit or rather something to do with energy output of the sun, absorption rate of the Earth due to cloud cover or any combination of many factors which might include human CO2 output.

 

 

 

That's the point. Scientists are so stubborn in the mind as to thinking that CO2 is the culprit, but what if it's something else?

 

 

 

In the picture about carbon dioxide releases in Hawaii, how do you know it's humans and not just the volancoes?

[warri0r45]

Agunimon, I am on your side in that I don't think it is possible to say we *know* definitively what is happening right now. You don't help that case when you ask for it to be shown that humans are adding CO2 to our atmosphere.

 

 

 

You can calculate how much CO2 humans have added to the atmosphere merely by calculating how much CO2 is produced in the combustion process from all the fossil fuels that have been burned.

 

 

 

The question is not if humans have put CO2 into the atmosphere but rather what is the impact of that CO2 and is it the culprit or rather something to do with energy output of the sun, absorption rate of the Earth due to cloud cover or any combination of many factors which might include human CO2 output.

 

 

 

That's the point. Scientists are so stubborn in the mind as to thinking that CO2 is the culprit, but what if it's something else?

 

 

 

In the picture about carbon dioxide releases in Hawaii, how do you know it's humans and not just the volancoes?

 

 

 

The real ones aren't.

[IGoddessI]

By the time poor ultimania92 gets to take a dump, he'll be a prime suspect for global warming :P

[Agunimon979]

Agunimon, I am on your side in that I don't think it is possible to say we *know* definitively what is happening right now. You don't help that case when you ask for it to be shown that humans are adding CO2 to our atmosphere.

 

 

 

You can calculate how much CO2 humans have added to the atmosphere merely by calculating how much CO2 is produced in the combustion process from all the fossil fuels that have been burned.

 

 

 

The question is not if humans have put CO2 into the atmosphere but rather what is the impact of that CO2 and is it the culprit or rather something to do with energy output of the sun, absorption rate of the Earth due to cloud cover or any combination of many factors which might include human CO2 output.

 

 

 

That's the point. Scientists are so stubborn in the mind as to thinking that CO2 is the culprit, but what if it's something else?

 

 

 

In the picture about carbon dioxide releases in Hawaii, how do you know it's humans and not just the volancoes?

 

 

 

The real ones aren't.

 

 

 

Typical, stand up for your fellow scientists, even though I'm right.

[warri0r45]

Agunimon, I am on your side in that I don't think it is possible to say we *know* definitively what is happening right now. You don't help that case when you ask for it to be shown that humans are adding CO2 to our atmosphere.

 

 

 

You can calculate how much CO2 humans have added to the atmosphere merely by calculating how much CO2 is produced in the combustion process from all the fossil fuels that have been burned.

 

 

 

The question is not if humans have put CO2 into the atmosphere but rather what is the impact of that CO2 and is it the culprit or rather something to do with energy output of the sun, absorption rate of the Earth due to cloud cover or any combination of many factors which might include human CO2 output.

 

 

 

That's the point. Scientists are so stubborn in the mind as to thinking that CO2 is the culprit, but what if it's something else?

 

 

 

In the picture about carbon dioxide releases in Hawaii, how do you know it's humans and not just the volancoes?

 

 

 

The real ones aren't.

 

 

 

Typical, stand up for your fellow scientists, even though I'm right.

 

 

 

How's that? Find me a scientist that says that it's all our fault and none of it is caused by nature or it's not mainly due to CO2 increase. And no, the media is not a scientist. I'll be happily proven in the wrong, which is the attitude real scientists take. They aren't stubborn. The want you to prove them wrong and welcome it, hence why we have peer review systems.

[Agunimon979]

Agunimon, I am on your side in that I don't think it is possible to say we *know* definitively what is happening right now. You don't help that case when you ask for it to be shown that humans are adding CO2 to our atmosphere.

 

 

 

You can calculate how much CO2 humans have added to the atmosphere merely by calculating how much CO2 is produced in the combustion process from all the fossil fuels that have been burned.

 

 

 

The question is not if humans have put CO2 into the atmosphere but rather what is the impact of that CO2 and is it the culprit or rather something to do with energy output of the sun, absorption rate of the Earth due to cloud cover or any combination of many factors which might include human CO2 output.

 

 

 

That's the point. Scientists are so stubborn in the mind as to thinking that CO2 is the culprit, but what if it's something else?

 

 

 

In the picture about carbon dioxide releases in Hawaii, how do you know it's humans and not just the volancoes?

 

 

 

The real ones aren't.

 

 

 

Typical, stand up for your fellow scientists, even though I'm right.

 

 

 

How's that? Find me a scientist that says that it's all our fault and none of it is caused by nature or it's not mainly due to CO2 increase. And no, the media is not a scientist.

 

 

 

I'm talking about scientists that spend their whole life saying "Global warming will be in 2080 cuz de rates that de humans are submissing see oh too will maik bad water and no water in afrika." What about nature. What has nature done to contribute to global warming? I find how some scientists with common sense found out the thing with the mud interesting.

 

 

 

EDIT: Btw, http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....4952/posts

[warri0r45]

Agunimon, I am on your side in that I don't think it is possible to say we *know* definitively what is happening right now. You don't help that case when you ask for it to be shown that humans are adding CO2 to our atmosphere.

 

 

 

You can calculate how much CO2 humans have added to the atmosphere merely by calculating how much CO2 is produced in the combustion process from all the fossil fuels that have been burned.

 

 

 

The question is not if humans have put CO2 into the atmosphere but rather what is the impact of that CO2 and is it the culprit or rather something to do with energy output of the sun, absorption rate of the Earth due to cloud cover or any combination of many factors which might include human CO2 output.

 

 

 

That's the point. Scientists are so stubborn in the mind as to thinking that CO2 is the culprit, but what if it's something else?

 

 

 

In the picture about carbon dioxide releases in Hawaii, how do you know it's humans and not just the volancoes?

 

 

 

The real ones aren't.

 

 

 

Typical, stand up for your fellow scientists, even though I'm right.

 

 

 

How's that? Find me a scientist that says that it's all our fault and none of it is caused by nature or it's not mainly due to CO2 increase. And no, the media is not a scientist.

 

 

 

I'm talking about scientists that spend their whole life saying "Global warming will be in 2080 cuz de rates that de humans are submissing see oh too will maik bad water and no water in afrika." What about nature. What has nature done to contribute to global warming? I find how some scientists with common sense found out the thing with the mud interesting.

 

 

 

I'm confused. What are we arguing about again?

[Agunimon979]

Um, how most scientists only mention humans in their propaganda global warming theories, ya know, not that nature or anything has contributed to global warming :roll: