Well today, June 26, Jagex modified NPC's. The big monsters (by big i mean 2 by 2 squares or larger) now have the ability to move diagonally. What I mean by this is that instead of first moving east - west, and then north - south after they were aligned with you (like they did before the 'fix'), they now come directly to you when they're attacked or auto attack you.

 

This 'fix' has greatly affected Dagannoth Kinging.

 

Duo melee/mage, where the mage would lure prime to the east and mage rex while the meleer prays range and melees supreme, is impossible do achieve now (unless you stand on Prime and make him slowly move).Duo Melee/mage was one of the few setups which make it very hard for someone to lure prime on you. Id hate to see that jagex 'destroyed' it.

 

Although I like that now it's harder to lure Rex. A level 303 boss monster shouldn't be that easy to safespot in my opinion.

 

 

 

A similar problem with Fight Caves where monsters will just walk directly towards you...

 

 

 

Here's a vid I made that shows how the monsters move diagonally. It's just dagg kings and shows how to lure Rex now. Didn't include fight caves because i'm no expert on that and muggi will probably do that one heh :P

 

FileFront: (high quality)http://files.filefront.com/FastForce+luringDKswmv/;7890679;;/fileinfo.html

 

Youtube: (poor quality)

 

One small note, 20 seconds gets cut at the end dunno why :s but those last 20 seconds dont really matter lol

 

 

 

EDIT: DUO MELEE/MAGE IS NOT DEAD :P

 

 

 

 

I'd like to hear your opinion on this. Good or bad move?

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Fight caves got owned :boohoo:

I still don't understand how this affects the fight caves. Can you no longer use safe-spots? I just, and I mean just, finished buying all the materials for the fight-caves and my character is actually standing outside the door to it as we speak. I was just watching muggi's videos to study up right before beginning my first run. Is it really that serious?

I still don't understand how this affects the fight caves. Can you no longer use safe-spots? I just, and I mean just, finished buying all the materials for the fight-caves and my character is actually standing outside the door to it as we speak. I was just watching muggi's videos to study up right before beginning my first run. Is it really that serious?

 

 

 

Better ask Muggi himself

http://files.filefront.com//;7888448

 

 

 

 

 

theres a vid of it, and yes i am quite mad about this. For the maging rex part, its not that im mad about having to walk to the other safespot, its that you attract spinnies that more you run around so now spinnies are going to be even more of a problem -.-

I still don't understand how this affects the fight caves. Can you no longer use safe-spots? I just, and I mean just, finished buying all the materials for the fight-caves and my character is actually standing outside the door to it as we speak. I was just watching muggi's videos to study up right before beginning my first run. Is it really that serious?

 

 

 

Well actually this update has been out for a few days...

 

They just announced it today.

I still don't understand how this affects the fight caves. Can you no longer use safe-spots? I just, and I mean just, finished buying all the materials for the fight-caves and my character is actually standing outside the door to it as we speak. I was just watching muggi's videos to study up right before beginning my first run. Is it really that serious?

 

 

 

Well actually this update has been out for a few days...

 

They just announced it today.

 

 

 

The new way npcs move is defintely new from today -.-

 

They obviously didnt update the engine, forgot about it and posted 4 days later. And they sure did not update the game twice today just to show off their pretty update message..

this is a tragedy.

I still don't understand how this affects the fight caves. Can you no longer use safe-spots? I just, and I mean just, finished buying all the materials for the fight-caves and my character is actually standing outside the door to it as we speak. I was just watching muggi's videos to study up right before beginning my first run. Is it really that serious?

 

 

 

Well actually this update has been out for a few days...

 

They just announced it today.

 

 

 

The new way npcs move is defintely new from today -.-

 

They obviously didnt update the engine, forgot about it and posted 4 days later. And they sure did not update the game twice today just to show off their pretty update message..

 

 

 

Could you answer my question instead of just arguing about when the update came out?

It's a good thing. They've made the monsters less stupid. They can now move more freely!

I still don't understand how this affects the fight caves. Can you no longer use safe-spots? I just, and I mean just, finished buying all the materials for the fight-caves and my character is actually standing outside the door to it as we speak. I was just watching muggi's videos to study up right before beginning my first run. Is it really that serious?

 

 

 

i think that it's still possible to use safespots but it should be harder to get them there, and you cant lure the monsters 1 by 1 anymore.

This provides being more interesting, that it is more real like than it was before. Never tested anything but it may become annoying.

I'm sure monsters can still get stuck in a doorway or in between something.

I'd say both.

 

 

 

The Good

 

I do like the update, as it gives the NPCs a more dynamic and more realistic movement. (When I say that I mean more realistic than before)

 

 

 

The Bad

 

I don't DK, or haven't thought of doing the fight caves yet, however, considering about everyone else's thoughts, they're going to be somewhat ruined, or at least much harder now.

In the meantime I'd like to hear your opinion on this. Good or bad move?

 

I think this was a good move. It was about time we got an update that difficults things for players.

 

Even though I see this as a rather desperate solution to the increasing popularity of Dks and consequent lower of the prices of their typical drops, if it works I think it becomes a positive "fix".

well i'm 1 x 1 obviously.

 

 

 

but bandits are walking infront of me through the door =/

 

 

 

so they can walk through me effectively.

I'd say both.

 

 

 

The Good

 

I do like the update, as it gives the NPCs a more dynamic and more realistic movement. (When I say that I mean more realistic than before)

 

 

 

The Bad

 

I don't DK, or haven't thought of doing the fight caves yet, however, considering about everyone else's thoughts, they're going to be somewhat ruined, or at least much harder now.

 

 

 

Exactly.

Of course it's good, improved AI is always good. Sorry for the people who easily stayed at DK for hours on end but it's about time something like this was done.

Of course it's good, improved AI is always good. Sorry for the people who easily stayed at DK for hours on end but it's about time something like this was done.

 

 

 

agree, it may also cause the prices to raise of the dk items so this is some what nice. You need to look at ever jagex as a positive. They did it for a certain reason.

Its great :thumbsup:

This update doesn't make the game worse, it makes it more realistic and in the end more challenging. I personally think this'll mix things up enough for some new ways to do things, and support this update

Every single update they did today i had no problem with, up until i went to black dragons in zanaris. there is a black dragon that is probebly 8 squares away, not knowing about this diagonal movement, i attacked and went afk, assumuing the dragon would go to the safespot like it always does. i come back to find myself at about 20 hp. thank god i had an anti-fire shield. anyway, i either have to use the safespot i hate, or attack another dragon. its not a big deal, but the fact that i didnt find out about diagonal dragons until the point in which i was about dead pissed me off.

 

 

 

i went dking yesterday with some friends for my first time ever. I loved it so much. it was a lot of fun. looks like i wont be going again unless we go with the 15 person group we had yesterday.

um yea if anyone wants to make money go to the black dragons at taverly dungeon just picked up full rune, dragon hally :P the old safespot doesnt work i guess.

Added a small vid.

 

 

 

I hope jagex doesnt remove that. All the pleasing things about it outweighs all the bad ones.

yes finally.people have to actually find ways of killing boss monsters properly without exploiting a tech glitch,restriction,or ai.

 

 

 

 

 

personally this is an absolutley great update longterm.whole strategies may have to change although many people on the rs rants board are complaining about this(basically because theyre lazy)