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95% of pures drop trade maybe more, and dont say you dont because i know you all do.

 

 

 

Lmao. I don't need to say more.

 

 

 

+1. Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard(well maybe not but it's pretty bad). Try learning to read and go up and read my argument on why that's not true at all.

 

 

 

wow, even i'm not that bad, it's more like 70% or less, and some of them don't give much.

 

 

 

Dont pull figures out of nowhere. No one knows the exact ammount, so dont just assume it. I dont care if 100% of the ones you met drop trade, some dont, for all we know alot dont.

 

 

 

And the pures with just high str are known as obby maul pures, and guess what, most of the time they are 31 prayer for the str pray, and item protect for the beserker neklace.

 

 

 

see that's why a lot of us don't like pures, they say noob if you don't skull yourself in the wilderness, then use protect item to protect theirs. look nobody has a problem with the concept of pures, but why they're made and the person behind them is what bugs us.

 

 

 

Get used to it, im 119 combat and im still being called a noob pking. Its just some verbal fighting, and it gets nowhere. If you are honestly hurt by someone calling you a noob then you should quit the internet all together, not just runescape.

 

 

 

And to all of you people pulling figures out of nowhere, STOP. It does not make you look smart or like you know more about a subject than someone else. No one knows the exact number who drop trade, except mabey jagex, and they might not know. And ill let you in on a secret, there are more "mains" that use real life trading than pures.

 

 

 

And to whoever told the author to get off this thread for one sentence with a little bit of hostility, get over yourself. He responded to everything that the person asked of him, while giving him the same hostility your wanting the author to get rid of.

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well, most pures are completely disrespectful, and if you read my thread on transferring items, break the rules. you can't tell me moost pures make the money for all the supplies they use, the break the rules in some way and get supplies from their mains to their pures. they are also cowards, they made pures to ensure victories in the wildy. try having a well balanced combat character face the same level pure. the well balanced character will lose until about lvl 90, and most pures aren't that powerful, or "un-pure" themselves by that time. these are my reasons.
I'm guessing you also think using pray in the wild is cowardly. Yes, you are god, we should all lvl your way, and fight your way, in order to make your day.

 

 

 

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I hate pures because:

 

 

 

1) They ruin the name of the original rsc pures.

 

2) Too many of them. - Not original.

 

3) Most of them drop trade. - Against the rules.

 

4) Ruin the higher level updates. - Cry when things are unfair.

Quit RuneScape :)

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erkid"]I hate pures because:

 

 

 

1) They ruin the name of the original rsc pures.

 

2) Too many of them. - Not original.

 

3) Most of them drop trade. - Against the rules.

 

4) Ruin the higher level updates. - Cry when things are unfair.

 

 

 

They ruin the name of the original RSC pures.. That was practically a different game, why would anyone stick to that when they could make what the current day Pure is an outdo them?

 

I agree there are tons of Pures which is why I like to try to stand out with my Respectfulness towards others and my Non-Combat Skills.

 

I would say 60-70% Drop-Trade. But really is that something to hate them for?

 

Lmao as opposed to all the higher levels who PMS when something too easy come out.

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95% of pures drop trade maybe more, and dont say you dont because i know you all do.

 

 

 

Lmao. I don't need to say more.

 

 

 

+1. Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard(well maybe not but it's pretty bad). Try learning to read and go up and read my argument on why that's not true at all.

 

 

 

wow, even i'm not that bad, it's more like 70% or less, and some of them don't give much.

 

 

 

Dont pull figures out of nowhere. No one knows the exact ammount, so dont just assume it. I dont care if 100% of the ones you met drop trade, some dont, for all we know alot dont.

 

 

 

And the pures with just high str are known as obby maul pures, and guess what, most of the time they are 31 prayer for the str pray, and item protect for the beserker neklace.

 

 

 

see that's why a lot of us don't like pures, they say noob if you don't skull yourself in the wilderness, then use protect item to protect theirs. look nobody has a problem with the concept of pures, but why they're made and the person behind them is what bugs us.

 

 

 

Get used to it, im 119 combat and im still being called a noob pking. Its just some verbal fighting, and it gets nowhere. If you are honestly hurt by someone calling you a noob then you should quit the internet all together, not just runescape.

 

 

 

And to all of you people pulling figures out of nowhere, STOP. It does not make you look smart or like you know more about a subject than someone else. No one knows the exact number who drop trade, except mabey jagex, and they might not know. And ill let you in on a secret, there are more "mains" that use real life trading than pures.

 

 

 

And to whoever told the author to get off this thread for one sentence with a little bit of hostility, get over yourself. He responded to everything that the person asked of him, while giving him the same hostility your wanting the author to get rid of.

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first of all i never said that it hurt my feelings! stop putting words in my mouth! and we are not pulling figures out of nowhere to seem smart, at least i'm not, it's to make an example. you can't know how many pures are out there so you make a figure that seems logical to you and do the math from there. if you want us to stop making up figures, tell us exactly how many pures there are and how many drop trade.

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erkid"]I hate pures because:

 

 

 

1) They ruin the name of the original rsc pures.

 

2) Too many of them. - Not original.

 

3) Most of them drop trade. - Against the rules.

 

4) Ruin the higher level updates. - Cry when things are unfair.

 

 

 

They ruin the name of the original RSC pures.. That was practically a different game, why would anyone stick to that when they could make what the current day Pure is an outdo them?

 

I agree there are tons of Pures which is why I like to try to stand out with my Respectfulness towards others and my Non-Combat Skills.

 

I would say 60-70% Drop-Trade. But really is that something to hate them for?

 

Lmao as opposed to all the higher levels who PMS when something too easy come out.

 

 

 

1) i don't agree with [bleep]er on this, but rsc was practically the same game as rs2. that's like saying every time rs2 is updated it's a different game, rsc was developed a little more and made into rs2, that's all that happened.

 

 

 

2) there are way too many pures, i agree with that.

 

 

 

3)drop trading is something to hate them for, it's breaking the rules but they can't be caught, and it gives them an unfair advantage.

 

 

 

4) everyone rants about updates, if the update is not exactly how someone wants it they will probably rant about it, then there's people who don't like it at all. not all high levels rant about low leveled updates, and not all pures rant when stuff become impossible for them to do because of 1 defense or 1 range or 1 range etc. it's the ones who do do that that makes everyone say they do.

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The only thing that I dislike about pures is that they almost always have some sort of attitude problem.

 

 

 

Actually, now that I think about it, that attitude problem is more dependent on the person behind the pure. Maybe those types of people are more likely to create pures?

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Right, im not being overcritical when i say a good 75% of pures are jackasses, they think because they have no defence and risk 50k in the wild that this makes them somewhow better than everyone, almost all of them have a 3 word vocabulary which stems from "noob" variations to others such as "safer" because their specs didnt auto kill you. Its very easy to have a bad attitude and a big ego when you're in total junk, bring a glory for heavens sake and risk something.
What made you come under the assumption that we think we are better than everyone else because we risk 50K and have no Defence? It seems to me you just don't like Pures because they ruin your Pest Control worlds.

 

 

 

Pures take very little skill, i've used one before and i've watched people pking as a pure, if you can spec at full health and still get a ko it isn't pking, more "whos got the best specs". 99% of pures drop trade from their main which unbalances the idea of lower levels working for their cash. Pures use pest control alot and they crash in on pc clans (im in heart unit, i know) most of them (yeah i'd say 85% of them) dont attack the portal thus ruining pest control worlds pretty quickly.

 

Pures DO take skill. Because the simple fact is your not going to have great Specials everytime. The chances of actually Specing Out someone from Full HP is incredibly rare.

 

99% of Pures Drop-Trade... Are you kidding me? I don't even need to respond that was one, if not the most moronic comment of the thread.

 

 

 

Pures also have annoying names that are so unbelievably unoriginal, they either have "i" surrounding their name or something referring to "spec k0 j00 p00nzors" which irritates me no end. I like originality and i believe runescapes most prized asset is that you can be original, the whole point of pures is to have similar stats to other pures which totally ruins the point of making one.

 

As opposed to k1lly0u151679 the Non-Pure level 75? Pures just do it more because it classifies them as a Pure. And you actually are trying to tell me you don't like Pures because they choose not to be original with their names?

 

 

 

Its so ridiculous to see 2 pures who have spent over a year training just so they can pk 50k dds's off other pures who have exactly the same stats. A lot of pures (ok mains too) lure, i dont like the idea of literally stealing the pixels off someone who isn't there to fight and when i see a pure proud of luring a rare a part of gods spirit dies. Pures are generally bad losers, they've spent a long time (well not really, they pced their stats) getting their stats and when they lose they usually flame anyone in the vicinity, i've seen this as i alched from 85-94 mage over the space of a month or so and its sickening.
That's funny I notice even more Pures who say gf, ask to buy back X, etc. The ones normally being flamed are the PJ'Rs.

 

 

 

 

 

Pures have ruined pking from level 3-95 combat, to an extent when a pure gets defence (say to 45) this can go up to 101 cb (or near) and this has made pking in edge impossible if you haven't made an account specifically for pking. I would like for lower levels to walk into the wild and not get ambushed by these 2 iteming cowards, it would bring back a great pastime in runescape which was pking and not running into someone who can spec you dead straight away in a fight.

 

2 Iteming cowards lmao. Everyone our level who isn't Pure in P2P won't skull and you know it. And even if they were the chances of us hitting good Specials on Full Rune? Very Slim.

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The only thing that I dislike about pures is that they almost always have some sort of attitude problem.

 

 

 

Actually, now that I think about it, that attitude problem is more dependent on the person behind the pure. Maybe those types of people are more likely to create pures?

 

 

 

that and most pures drop trade are the only reasons i don't like them.

 

 

 

note:i said most not all.

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Right, im not being overcritical when i say a good 75% of pures are jackasses, they think because they have no defence and risk 50k in the wild that this makes them somewhow better than everyone, almost all of them have a 3 word vocabulary which stems from "noob" variations to others such as "safer" because their specs didnt auto kill you. Its very easy to have a bad attitude and a big ego when you're in total junk, bring a glory for heavens sake and risk something.
What made you come under the assumption that we think we are better than everyone else because we risk 50K and have no Defence? It seems to me you just don't like Pures because they ruin your Pest Control worlds.

 

 

 

Pures take very little skill, i've used one before and i've watched people pking as a pure, if you can spec at full health and still get a ko it isn't pking, more "whos got the best specs". 99% of pures drop trade from their main which unbalances the idea of lower levels working for their cash. Pures use pest control alot and they crash in on pc clans (im in heart unit, i know) most of them (yeah i'd say 85% of them) dont attack the portal thus ruining pest control worlds pretty quickly.

 

Pures DO take skill. Because the simple fact is your not going to have great Specials everytime. The chances of actually Specing Out someone from Full HP is incredibly rare.

 

99% of Pures Drop-Trade... Are you kidding me? I don't even need to respond that was one, if not the most moronic comment of the thread.

 

 

 

pures don't take skill. training them is like training anything else, it's not hard. and pking is all about luck, the amount of damage you do is determined by luck, attack just increases your odds. you and aquashock obviously have different views on pures yourselves, he said it's easy to pk with them, as they are constantly being hit high, while you say they rarely hit. i have to agree with you rose, they do hardly hit, but when they do they hit big. that's why it's best to have a fast hitting weapon for pures instead of obby mauls, and what some f2pers use rune baxe or 2h. it is the most idiotic thing, they get pelted 6 times before they hit with those weapons, makes no sense. and as for the 99% thing, there are plenty of pures that don't, however if a pure has obby cape and trimmed armor they probably drop traded.

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Sorry for the (well, kinda) double post #-o

 

But come on....All you ever say is "You're biased for dying to a pure." Make a real argument, all you're doing is helping us think pures are jerks that think they're better than others. Just because you've killed non-pures you think everyone dies to pures because they're so all-powerful.

 

And you say OUR views are skewed? Raise your combat level/defense level just a little bit, go talk to a pure ANYWHERE, and you have above a 70% chancew of being bombarded with "Defense noob!" "Fight me, I own you!" "126 you have no life noob I own you!" etc.

 

Stop assuming we're beating down on the lower guy, the simple fact of the matter is most of the balanced accounts my current level, 68, don't PK in Armour, they 1 Item with their Dlongs or their Rune Scimitars. Their Armour is my Strength and I know I'm going to use my Strength, he should use his Armour.

 

It's not a Pure's fault that the Non-Pures can't manage the Wit to use their Armour to [shock]DEFEND THEM[/shock].

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pures don't take skill. training them is like training anything else, it's not hard. and pking is all about luck, the amount of damage you do is determined by luck, attack just increases your odds. you and aquashock obviously have different views on pures yourselves, he said it's easy to pk with them, as they are constantly being hit high, while you say they rarely hit. i have to agree with you rose, they do hardly hit, but when they do they hit big. that's why it's best to have a fast hitting weapon for pures instead of obby mauls, and what some f2pers use rune baxe or 2h. it is the most idiotic thing, they get pelted 6 times before they hit with those weapons, makes no sense. and as for the 99% thing, there are plenty of pures that don't, however if a pure has obby cape and trimmed armor they probably drop traded.

 

Although it does take Proper Timing to Special someone considering most Pures DON'T hit constant 30-30 Specials like the PK Videos Suggest.

 

And no, Attack increases your odds of hitting altogether, Strength increases your chances of hitting high.

 

I have a Party Hat. Does that Mean I drop-traded? Did I drop-trade from my RSC account which I don't even know the name to anymore? Pures can make money just as well as anyone else, if not better.

 

I stake. I PK. I Skill. I make money.

 

And people in F2P use Baxe and 2H for a KO most of the time.

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Sorry for the (well, kinda) double post #-o

 

But come on....All you ever say is "You're biased for dying to a pure." Make a real argument, all you're doing is helping us think pures are jerks that think they're better than others. Just because you've killed non-pures you think everyone dies to pures because they're so all-powerful.

 

And you say OUR views are skewed? Raise your combat level/defense level just a little bit, go talk to a pure ANYWHERE, and you have above a 70% chancew of being bombarded with "Defense noob!" "Fight me, I own you!" "126 you have no life noob I own you!" etc.

 

Stop assuming we're beating down on the lower guy, the simple fact of the matter is most of the balanced accounts my current level, 68, don't PK in Armour, they 1 Item with their Dlongs or their Rune Scimitars. Their Armour is my Strength and I know I'm going to use my Strength, he should use his Armour.

 

It's not a Pure's fault that the Non-Pures can't manage the Wit to use their Armour to [shock]DEFEND THEM[/shock].

 

 

 

you can say that because you don't have to wear armor, you can 1-item. if you take armor you can lose it, but you can't lose your weapon thanks to prayer. that's why pures win so much in the wildy, but aren't as successful in the duel arena. sure they win sometimes, but in one on one wildy, they will win because people dont take all their armor.

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you can say that because you don't have to wear armor, you can 1-item. if you take armor you can lose it, but you can't lose your weapon thanks to prayer. that's why pures win so much in the wildy, but aren't as successful in the duel arena. sure they win sometimes, but in one on one wildy, they will win because people dont take all their armor.

 

 

 

Actually I CAN say that. 1 Iteming is pointless especially vs Full Rune because you can't use a Dscim to KO and a DD will never hit on Rune.

 

 

 

I can say that because I never PC, proof is 60 Slayer. Now just think, how am I 85 Strength at 68 Combat?

 

 

 

I'm 13 Prayer. I can't protect Item so when I die, which I do, I lose 150K when Fighting Pures, and 200K when fighting Non-Pures with Armour.

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95% of pures drop trade maybe more, and dont say you dont because i know you all do.

 

 

 

Lmao. I don't need to say more.

 

 

 

+1. Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard(well maybe not but it's pretty bad). Try learning to read and go up and read my argument on why that's not true at all.

 

 

 

wow, even i'm not that bad, it's more like 70% or less, and some of them don't give much.

 

 

 

Dont pull figures out of nowhere. No one knows the exact ammount, so dont just assume it. I dont care if 100% of the ones you met drop trade, some dont, for all we know alot dont.

 

 

 

And the pures with just high str are known as obby maul pures, and guess what, most of the time they are 31 prayer for the str pray, and item protect for the beserker neklace.

 

 

 

see that's why a lot of us don't like pures, they say noob if you don't skull yourself in the wilderness, then use protect item to protect theirs. look nobody has a problem with the concept of pures, but why they're made and the person behind them is what bugs us.

 

 

 

Get used to it, im 119 combat and im still being called a noob pking. Its just some verbal fighting, and it gets nowhere. If you are honestly hurt by someone calling you a noob then you should quit the internet all together, not just runescape.

 

 

 

And to all of you people pulling figures out of nowhere, STOP. It does not make you look smart or like you know more about a subject than someone else. No one knows the exact number who drop trade, except mabey jagex, and they might not know. And ill let you in on a secret, there are more "mains" that use real life trading than pures.

 

 

 

And to whoever told the author to get off this thread for one sentence with a little bit of hostility, get over yourself. He responded to everything that the person asked of him, while giving him the same hostility your wanting the author to get rid of.

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first of all i never said that it hurt my feelings! stop putting words in my mouth! and we are not pulling figures out of nowhere to seem smart, at least i'm not, it's to make an example. you can't know how many pures are out there so you make a figure that seems logical to you and do the math from there. if you want us to stop making up figures, tell us exactly how many pures there are and how many drop trade.[/hide]

 

 

 

But since its been stated in the thread and seems logical that NO ONE KNOWS THE NUMBER OF PURES WHO DROP TRADE where do you start. You can some some, but you can say most, you cant say just a few. You saying ANYTHING that is specific is you pulling figures out of nowhere. You saying 'most' means majority, which also means over 50%. But since no one knows, possibly not even JaGeX, no one can say for sure how many do and dont. Its knowns a certain number of pures DO drop trade, but that number is not up for you to do with your own math, seeing as your already biased against pures.

 

 

 

And if a pure calls you a noob, or whatever, and you come rant about it on a thread, he obviously affected you in some way.

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95% of pures drop trade maybe more, and dont say you dont because i know you all do.

 

 

 

Lmao. I don't need to say more.

 

 

 

+1. Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard(well maybe not but it's pretty bad). Try learning to read and go up and read my argument on why that's not true at all.

 

 

 

wow, even i'm not that bad, it's more like 70% or less, and some of them don't give much.

 

 

 

Dont pull figures out of nowhere. No one knows the exact ammount, so dont just assume it. I dont care if 100% of the ones you met drop trade, some dont, for all we know alot dont.

 

 

 

And the pures with just high str are known as obby maul pures, and guess what, most of the time they are 31 prayer for the str pray, and item protect for the beserker neklace.

 

 

 

see that's why a lot of us don't like pures, they say noob if you don't skull yourself in the wilderness, then use protect item to protect theirs. look nobody has a problem with the concept of pures, but why they're made and the person behind them is what bugs us.

 

 

 

Get used to it, im 119 combat and im still being called a noob pking. Its just some verbal fighting, and it gets nowhere. If you are honestly hurt by someone calling you a noob then you should quit the internet all together, not just runescape.

 

 

 

And to all of you people pulling figures out of nowhere, STOP. It does not make you look smart or like you know more about a subject than someone else. No one knows the exact number who drop trade, except mabey jagex, and they might not know. And ill let you in on a secret, there are more "mains" that use real life trading than pures.

 

 

 

And to whoever told the author to get off this thread for one sentence with a little bit of hostility, get over yourself. He responded to everything that the person asked of him, while giving him the same hostility your wanting the author to get rid of.

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first of all i never said that it hurt my feelings! stop putting words in my mouth! and we are not pulling figures out of nowhere to seem smart, at least i'm not, it's to make an example. you can't know how many pures are out there so you make a figure that seems logical to you and do the math from there. if you want us to stop making up figures, tell us exactly how many pures there are and how many drop trade.[/hide]

 

 

 

But since its been stated in the thread and seems logical that NO ONE KNOWS THE NUMBER OF PURES WHO DROP TRADE where do you start. You can some some, but you can say most, you cant say just a few. You saying ANYTHING that is specific is you pulling figures out of nowhere. You saying 'most' means majority, which also means over 50%. But since no one knows, possibly not even JaGeX, no one can say for sure how many do and dont. Its knowns a certain number of pures DO drop trade, but that number is not up for you to do with your own math, seeing as your already biased against pures.

 

 

 

And if a pure calls you a noob, or whatever, and you come rant about it on a thread, he obviously affected you in some way.

 

 

 

stop saying i am ranting about pures calling me a noob i am not!!!!!! :evil: i am NOT biased against pures, although i don't like them it's a way to play the game. i am biased against most of the people who use them, they are like you, twisting words and being jerks. give me the number of pures that drop trade. then i will do the math. i say this because pures walk around all the time with things more expensive than the money i have, and they have nothing but stregth or whatever they are pure in n the hiscores. is there any way a pure could obtain a cannon with 10k c-balls with nothing in the hiscores? add on an obby cape and 10k rune arrows and you have a drop trader. i met a pure earlier that had trimmed wizard robes and gold blue dragon hide, along with a fury, and he started that account 5 days ago. do you really think he didn't drop trade? do you really think people who think it's ok for your accounts to trade each other because you are using 2 different computers didn't obtain what they got by drop trading? this is my point. i have nothing against pures so stop saying that! as you have shown, you are immature as well, i am sick of it. i came to tip it to avoid people like you who are on runehq and zybez, but apparently tip it has become infested as well. thanks for ruining it.

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Lol at everyone having so stereotypical view on pures :D yeh im a pure. i havent never drop traded anything from my main. you can make money same ways on pures that you made on your first chara that you started.

 

my stats, i skill too

 

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and yeh before you call me anything of rs2 product,pc product or something, i started pking before most of you even had heard about rs

 

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Everyone is arrogant, people are definitely stereo typing pures. Look at pure clans. I would say they are more mature then most of what Tip.It looks at. Because you had a few bad experiences with a pure, you say that pures are terrible and arrogant people. Yet, i bet you've been annoyed 100 times for by "mains!" But considering your a balanced account, it's not like "main newb" is a term. Your basically blaming pures because there different than you.

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Everyone is arrogant, people are definitely stereo typing pures. Look at pure clans. I would say they are more mature then most of what Tip.It looks at. Because you had a few bad experiences with a pure, you say that pures are terrible and arrogant people. Yet, i bet you've been annoyed 100 times for by "mains!" But considering your a balanced account, it's not like "main newb" is a term. Your basically blaming pures because there different than you.

 

 

 

i have never pked in my life, and i've won every battle at the duel arena i've fought(except for when i was messing around facing 100s) you can't say i'm stereotyping because i have met many pures, all of which called me a noob for some reason, wether it be because i don't train strength or i was hitting low at the time. they treat me like crap for training defense and not training strength. they insult me and call me a nerd when i beat them in the duel arena, but before they called me a noob and said i couldn't beat them. i have not met every pure, but i do know this. runescape has arround 10 million accounts made on it. i do know this, it's a fact. about 1 million. account were made from the same ip address as another account. considering that the average household in america/england has about 1.6 children, we can take off about 400 thousand accounts, made by their brother or sister. so we have about 600 thousand pure accounts. if you look at the member lists on the forums of all major runescape fan sites, you get about 375 thousand. that's about 4% of all ip addresses that play runescape, 9 million. we said there were about 600k pures in runescape. so that means 24k pures are part of pure clans or forums, if we go by all runescapers' percentage. some of these pures are probably rude in the forums, but there are some pures that are nice outside of forums, so we have 4% of pures not being jerks. do not flame me for making up statistics, all of these statistics are real and are rounded figures. what i got with these statistics may not be true, but that's what the math shows. i think by this math that we have a right to make generaliztions against pures. if 96% doesn't seem like too much to you, that's fine, but to the average person that's huge. do not flame me for this, i never claimed the number i got out of my math meant that they were true, i am simply giving an example.

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well they are rule breakers but you heared that (some are that is)...the most annoying is there name...its never original! its either I pure str I or pure ownage why can't pure come up original names and work on some skills! in stead of drop trading :shame:

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Well from those statistics then Every single pure not in a clan is a jerk? I'm not in a clan - Am I a jerk?

 

 

 

read the entire post before you reply!!! in it i said that some people in clans are jerks, and some out of clans are not jerks.

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I hate pures because they have so little to lose... And because they waste so much training space...

That's what it takes to be a hero, a little gem

of innocence inside of you that makes you want

to believe that there still exists a right and wrong,

that decency will somehow triumph in the end.

--Lise Hand

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I hate pures because they have so little to lose... And because they waste so much training space...

 

We're aloud to train where ever we want lmao. I could say I hate you because you waste training space as well. And chances are you don't bring anything of value when you go into the wild, if you do at all.

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