Nadril Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/ ... index.html Its 5 pages but a good read, here's a highlight about the theory: Taking this idea one step further, Marco Dorigo's group in Brussels is leading a European effort to create a "swarmanoid," a group of cooperating robots with complementary abilities: "foot-bots" to transport things on the ground, "hand-bots" to climb walls and manipulate objects, and "eye-bots" to fly around, providing information to the other units. The military is eager to acquire similar capabilities. On January 20, 2004, researchers released a swarm of 66 pint-size robots into an empty office building at Fort A. P. Hill, a training center near Fredericksburg, Virginia. The mission: Find targets hidden in the building. Zipping down the main hallway, the foot-long (0.3 meter) red robots pivoted this way and that on their three wheels, resembling nothing so much as large insects. Eight sonars on each unit helped them avoid collisions with walls and other robots. As they spread out, entering one room after another, each robot searched for objects of interest with a small, Web-style camera. When one robot encountered another, it used wireless network gear to exchange information. ("Hey, I've already explored that part of the building. Look somewhere else.") In the back of one room, a robot spotted something suspicious: a pink ball in an open closet (the swarm had been trained to look for anything pink). The robot froze, sending an image to its human supervisor. Soon several more robots arrived to form a perimeter around the pink intruder. Within half an hour, all six of the hidden objects had been found. The research team conducting the experiment declared the run a success. Then they started a new test. The demonstration was part of the Centibots project, an investigation to see if as many as a hundred robots could collaborate on a mission. If they could, teams of robots might someday be sent into a hostile village to flush out terrorists or locate prisoners; into an earthquake-damaged building to find victims; onto chemical-spill sites to examine hazardous waste; or along borders to watch for intruders. Military agencies such as DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) have funded a number of robotics programs using collaborative flocks of helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft, schools of torpedo-shaped underwater gliders, and herds of unmanned ground vehicles. But at the time, this was the largest swarm of robots ever tested. "When we started Centibots, we were all thinking, this is a crazy idea, it's impossible to do," says R̮̩̉̉gis Vincent, a researcher at SRI International in Menlo Park, California. "Now we're looking to see if we can do it with a thousand robots." I've read through the 5 pages and its an incredibly interesting read. The basic idea (TL;DR version) is that animals such as ants are stupid as a single but smart and capable of complex tasks as a whole. It also goes into how we are using this theory to better show realistic patterns of animals in movies, video games and even robotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Way cool :shock: That'd freak the hell out of any terrorists sheltering in native villages, a swarm of mini robot things buzzing round looking for them. The basic idea (TL;DR version) is that animals such as ants are stupid as a single but smart and capable of complex tasks as a whole. This bit made me think how humans are pretty much the opposite :P "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted July 3, 2007 Author Share Posted July 3, 2007 Haha yeah, we as humans aren't work to working like that really. There are some examples on how human companies are using methods such as that for stuff such as trucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 :? Dunno about you guys, but I think we are the exact same... Can one person know everything? It takes a whole society to figure some stuff out. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necromagus Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Swarm behaviour is pretty interesting. There's a species of bees that defends itself against hornets by having about 40 bees form a tight ball around the hornet, causing it to become completely overheated and drop dead. My Tip.It Times Articles (10 and counting) || The Varrock Library Author Index projectDo you dare to dream? - Part 19 added. || The Hospital (WIP) - New story!Necromagus looks like a viking ... with glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knives669 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 That was quite interesting. :D But... What would happen if the robots were to one day turn on us? :ohnoes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Really interesting :D Thanks for posting :D Our minds work the same way, really, on a smaller (or grander?) scale - that is, neurons in our brain act in different ways and are fairly simple on their own, but when they act together, you get consciousness and all that good stuff :D Pretty sweet :D Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 That was quite interesting. :D But... What would happen if the robots were to one day turn on us? :ohnoes: [hide][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour_tacos Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Just like that Micheal Crichton book! What was the name of that book again? Predator? I can't remember for the life of me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guthix_Girl Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 That was quite interesting. :D But... What would happen if the robots were to one day turn on us? :ohnoes: robots dont have a conscience mind of their own, so they cannot decide that their creators are evil and they must be destroyed. The only way that could happen is if they were being controlled by another human who wanted all humans to be dead. but of course you all probably already got that so i said it for nothing but whatever Never take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurama Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 That was quite interesting. :D But... What would happen if the robots were to one day turn on us? :ohnoes: robots dont have a conscience mind of their own, so they cannot decide that their creators are evil and they must be destroyed. The only way that could happen is if they were being controlled by another human who wanted all humans to be dead. but of course you all probably already got that so i said it for nothing but whatever ever watched I, Robot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 That was quite interesting. :D But... What would happen if the robots were to one day turn on us? :ohnoes: robots dont have a conscience mind of their own, so they cannot decide that their creators are evil and they must be destroyed. The only way that could happen is if they were being controlled by another human who wanted all humans to be dead. but of course you all probably already got that so i said it for nothing but whatever ever watched I, Robot? Still cant happen. Machines cant learn unless they are programmed to learn something, in which case they are predictable, and we are still smarter, and thus can outsmart the computers. I cant think of a logical way that a machine can "learn" and know what it is learning and what to do with the information by itself. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurama Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 That was quite interesting. :D But... What would happen if the robots were to one day turn on us? :ohnoes: robots dont have a conscience mind of their own, so they cannot decide that their creators are evil and they must be destroyed. The only way that could happen is if they were being controlled by another human who wanted all humans to be dead. but of course you all probably already got that so i said it for nothing but whatever ever watched I, Robot? Still cant happen. Machines cant learn unless they are programmed to learn something, in which case they are predictable, and we are still smarter, and thus can outsmart the computers. I cant think of a logical way that a machine can "learn" and know what it is learning and what to do with the information by itself. But what if they are taught to learn and act upon what they learn? Someone managed it with us. It's only a matter of time before it happens I tells ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedofsound Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Very interesting. But these robots would be more than just infromation gatherers. They would be intimidaters. Very high tech, it amazes me how humans can think of thses things and yet there are still so many problems in the world. You can't ever find a place that's nice and peaceful, because there isn't any. You may think there is, but once you get there, when you're not looking, somebody'll sneak up and write "(bleep) you" right under your nose. Try it sometime. I think, even, if I ever die, and they stick me in a cemetery, and I have a tombstone and all, it'll say "Holden Caulfield" on it, and then what year I was born and what year I died, and then right under that it'll say "(bleep) you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knives669 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 But what if they are taught to learn and act upon what they learn? Someone managed it with us. It's only a matter of time before it happens I tells ya! I don't trust 'em either. :notalk: Me, you, and Will Smith will be the only people prepared for robot apocalypse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeitormakeit Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 That was quite interesting. :D But... What would happen if the robots were to one day turn on us? :ohnoes: robots dont have a conscience mind of their own, so they cannot decide that their creators are evil and they must be destroyed. The only way that could happen is if they were being controlled by another human who wanted all humans to be dead. but of course you all probably already got that so i said it for nothing but whatever I was watching the history channel and it was the top 9 deadliest threats to human existance as we know it from least likely to most, and I believe number 6 was robots with artifical intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frakir_staer Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 That was quite interesting. :D But... What would happen if the robots were to one day turn on us? :ohnoes: robots dont have a conscience mind of their own, so they cannot decide that their creators are evil and they must be destroyed. The only way that could happen is if they were being controlled by another human who wanted all humans to be dead. but of course you all probably already got that so i said it for nothing but whatever ever watched I, Robot? The book was ever so much better than the movie. Really, the only similarities I remember are the positronic brain and Susan Calvin(and the movie Susan was way different than the book one). OT: I saw that article and thought it was really cool how the bees can pick the best hive location like that. Early to bed and early to rise makes a man sleepy and blind in the eyes.Carai an Caldazar! Carai an Ellisande! Al Ellisande!If it's the thought that counts, why aren't humans innately telepathic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 The threat of robots taking over is way too overblown, especially in regards to AI. It's a big, big step from algorithms that can learn from their mistakes (which we have at the moment) to genuinely thinking, conscious, 'free' programs. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriyama Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 robots dont have a conscience mind of their own, so they cannot decide that their creators are evil and they must be destroyed. The only way that could happen is if they were being controlled by another human who wanted all humans to be dead. What if a robot was made to destroy evil? It would therefore then learn that humans were and are evil and destroy them all? Denizen of Darkness| PSN= sworddude198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kam42705 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 A scientific principle is In order to learn how a creature's brain works, one must have a more complex brain than theirs. In essence, all it means is that to understand a theory, or in this case, for robots to learn to destroy humans, they need to be much more complex than us, which, by itself, is a limiting factor, because we can't create anything more complex than ourselves without disproving this principle. So I guess that means robots will never turn on us. i mean wth no1 cares about that weak noob that was scared of the great almighty lord ZAROS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour_tacos Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Anybody remember that book name? Its driving me crazy... :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassadar Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 The Creighton book you are talking about is called Prey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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