NACHO Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 This is just a general comment. Can you please stop downloading programs like photoshop and 3ds max illegally? and if you say its too expensive, you probably contributed to it's high price. How are they supposed to make money if everyone keeps downloading online? Easy, raise the price and us people who obey the law get punished. I know this does not apply to a lot of people on this forum, but i think it is an issue that needs stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak722 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Um ok. I dont even know how to download free... I dont even know what 3Ds max is... And I certainly dont even know where to buy programs like PS legally... (Nothing in my staples, best buy, or wal-mart.) The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiphus Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Lol.... what a waste of bandwidth. People are going to charge whatever they can for whatever they make no matter who tries to steal it. These "software tycoons" or whatever you want to call them are making so much money they aren't going to "raise the price" because they see an increasing trend in illegal downloads. The people who use the programs professionaly purchase them. The idiots who pirate them cannot even work them, and probably end up messing their computer up even more later on down the road when they visit some stupid crack site and don't know how to keep its viruses out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 People aren't going to stop downloading. People continue to download music and movies despite legal threats and will continue to do so with software. I do feel though that if the programs are used mainly as a learning tool and no profits are obtained then there is nothing wrong with it. The people that benefit off their programs should have legal licenses. I personall do own a legal copy of Photoshop 7 and Flash MX. Like I said, as long the are used as learning tools I feel there is nothing wrong with it. It may be illegal and morally wrong, but if you treat it just like an extended trial and would just like to learn the program in hopes of pursuing a carerr then that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Rod_The_Ti Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I legally own PSP8, Flash Mx, Freehand, Illustrator, and Bryce 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raist-dark Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 i spent $500 bucks to get a friend from china to illegaly smugle out a program so i could put in on the net to download... i cant help pirating things especially this program man was it worth $500 mspaint is worth it :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_-HI-_ Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 i spent $500 bucks to get a friend from china to illegaly smugle out a program so i could put in on the net to download... i cant help pirating things especially this program man was it worth $500 mspaint is worth it :twisted: .. not the smartest thing to admit :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quer_Skulll Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 i spent $500 bucks to get a friend from china to illegaly smugle out a program so i could put in on the net to download... i cant help pirating things especially this program man was it worth $500 mspaint is worth it :twisted: .. not the smartest thing to admit :? hes joking... :? for the info ms paint is freeware _-HI-_ dude :wink: then you might get the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubDivi Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 *[wagon] falls off from laughing so much* Over 90% of this board downloads pirated software.. and everybody knows it. Listening to same PATHETIC and IGNORANT stories over and over again is one of the many internet hells i've experienced online. 'Mi ant sed tehy had 2 meny copyz ov PhootShop CS so she gaiv me 1 4 free!!1! Yay!?!?!//1?!' 'OMFFG!!1 WTF! It sayz 'serial expired'. I GOT IT LEGALLY I SWEAR! Giv me ur serial plz!!' 'O, mi ant uh got me a new copyz cuz dat uther 1 was broken. I think a viruz infected teh CD!' 'Ahhhh!!11 help;z! mi shourtkut keyz wont werk!!!1' Or "I have a job, so I was able to afford Maya, Photoshop and Illustrator! Wewt! Too bad those tablet are too expensive. =[" As long as someone doesn't make profit with their pirated software - I don't care, and I seriously doubt the companies care about it.. if they did, don't you think they would put better security on their software than most current games? :roll: Hope you liked my beef, I gotsa lot more but it's abit above grade for this BBQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raist-dark Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 i spent $500 bucks to get a friend from china to illegaly smugle out a program so i could put in on the net to download... i cant help pirating things especially this program man was it worth $500 mspaint is worth it :twisted: .. not the smartest thing to admit :? hes joking... :? for the info ms paint is freeware _-HI-_ dude :wink: then you might get the joke. ahahahah really didnt think id get a response like that... i prolly shudnt have posted what i did since this argument doesnt concern me cuz i use mspaint only... but any how good for a laugh. and sub divi go all out hard... dont let anything hold you back now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttia Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 It is not a matter of "I won't get caught". It is a matter of ethics, self respect. I still use cheap 3rd version down the line now products from corel just because i can't afford ps etc. They work fine. In fact, you can get painter for 30 bucks on ebay and even in version 7 it owns ps for painting (though not other editing functions of course) Gimp is gettting more than decent. I have even posted a free vector program in the past, free animation studios etc. You can use open canvas for painting and it even has event files so people can watch your style of drawing. There is no reason to pirate. All of these comments are justifications to make yourself feel better. And for all of you who someday want to have a career in art, who whine when your art is ripped, you ought to take copyright law more seriously. If Adobe's intellectual property is fair game, then so is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razy_m8 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 fact of the madder is, you cant turn back time and i know for a fact noones gonna delete their ripped software just because you asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomGuard Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 dude... everybody downloads SOMETHING illegal SOMETIMES. Thats the way it is. I dont think everything on ur comp is legal, theres always some mp3's or i dunno what. And the people who download illegally are not stupid enuf to go on the internet and type in "SERIAL", bcuz it leads to junk sites :o Some people write their own serials 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak722 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The only legal program I have is MS paint. But I also have downloaded feebies like Gimp Irfanview Terragen that Macromedia Flash 30-day trial ver. um what else... cant really remember... but those things are free. The only thing I probably got wrong is a copy of PS 6 And I dont even know how to use it... pathetic... :? But I only use it for educational purposes only though... I dont go around making money with it and claiming it as my own. The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttia Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 dude... everybody downloads SOMETHING illegal SOMETIMES. Thats the way it is. I dont think everything on ur comp is legal, theres always some mp3's or i dunno what. And the people who download illegally are not stupid enuf to go on the internet and type in "SERIAL", bcuz it leads to junk sites :o Some people write their own serials 8) I don't believe I have anything illegal on my computer. And I have used filesharing--to back up my tapes to cd....a LEGAL use. Of course now that I posted that you will change your argument. The facts are there is not one legitimate reason to use something illegaly. You do it because you just don't care. I would love to have some nice new programs. But I won't until I can afford them. The argument that it is just for fun, non money making ventures is not valid either. When companies want you to use their software in that way they make a LEARNING version such as Lightwave, or whichever it was that did that. Your excuses boil down to: a. everyone is doing it (there are people that throw heavy blunt objects at each other's crotches for entertainment such as on that [developmentally delayed]ed mtv show...you going to do that too? Everyone does it doesn't prove anything other than there are a lot of people breaking the law.) b. ah well, they won't catch me, or won't do anything..(never know, sometimes these folks get ticked like the satelite tv group that started charging huge fines for piraters, or the recording label folks that sent teens a huge bill. The rta ones were disputed, but I heard quite a few ppl wated money defending the satellite one, or finally just gave up and paid out, or cut a deal. ) c. I don't care what people think (I am sure you don't, but then I hope you don't mind if we don't care what you think either) d. Intellectual property rights don't matter (great, then I will rip all of your sigs, art work ,etc. for my own personal use. No whining later now). Those are valid reasons to break the law? I don't think so. In general we are becoming a society that doesn't understand a. Delayed gratification b. Ethics c. the value of other people. The reason? Because we are too permissive in my book. I hope the mods boot the people from this board who are actually PROMOTING illegal activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Rod_The_Ti Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I did actually buy my programs legally though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttia Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 That is commendable. Promoting illegal activity even if you don't do it is not commendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I did actually buy my programs legally though. Yeah, my dad purchased PS 7 and Flash MX for his company and I do some trivial work for them so he brought them home and let me install them I swear it's not one of those things subdivi was talking about. I can post images from my digital camera if you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttia Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 So if I were to promote race riots or illicit pictures of children on this board it would be fine, as long as I don't actually participate? I don't think so. And before someone complains, no they are not on the same level. It was hyperbole to prove a point. I do not think this board wants to be associated with copyright infringement. You just said in your previous post Ryan that it was a. morally wrong b. legally wrong c. You think it is fine anyway, it is like an extended trial. Why would they have you check the little contract box on the trial programs and agree to only use them for 30 days if they felt it were fine to just steal them and use them whenever? What you are encouraing people to do not only breaks the law, but as Keiphus and sub pointed out, it is also a security risk. As Keiphus also pointed out they usually don't enforce it, because it is too hard to enforce every little infraction and would be too costly in the end. But everyonce in a while a company turns the tables, sends a notice to those they have proof against, and lets you spend the money to defend yourself. Then they put you on the news and make you their poster child. Why would tip want you all suggesting illegal downloads from what are usually insecure sites? In fact in rule 7 they say not to use copyrighted material etc. I am sure they also would not approve of people openly suggesting downloading programs. This is not the first time this has come up. And in fact it is not the first time that people have openly encouraged this kind of thing. It is pathetic. At least if you are going to steal then have the decency to slink into your hole and not admit it. And if you don't steal but endorse it, then how are you any better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiphus Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Yeah, I think that if you buy software for your company and bring it home, it is still stealing. I know with alot of the higher end programs that we use at work (SoftimageXSI and Lightwave) we have to have dongels on each computer to make them run. This is to prevent exactly what you just described. I'm glad I'm working in this field now, I haven't opened up an image editing program on my home machine in about 3 months. :lol: And my tablet is not even installed here at home. I think if I wanted to download some programs illegally, I probably wouldn't even get around to using them. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despaxes Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 how is that wrong? you payed for it, you have all rights to use except for the reproduction and sale of that product... read the "users licence end agreement" or "terms and conditions" you read before installation it is legal ryan so good job? thanks everyone for the sigs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabraulter Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 it is illegal....but so and so are right....there is no way to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axeraider70 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 my friend at school downloaded flash mx from the schools network computers, im guessing thats illigal but there is no way to prevent anything being stolen from my schools network... so ah well i was going to download photoshop but i found it was illigal so i didnt, instead i found a copy of photoshop 5.5 (in the cd case like it was never opened) but alot of good that did me, i cant use it well >_< anyways, there is no way to stop people from stealing software thats out in the open. its like handing somebody 1000$ and asking them if you can have it back. so i have never bought a program that cost more then 50$ because i know something will go horribly wrong in the process of uploading it and... so game set and match, i guess we just talk about points we've already made now. axeraider70.deviantART.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttia Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 a. It is not legal to mutil load on to more than one machine. The dongle is a hardware insurance policy. That is why companies buy liscenses for individual machines. Now on the other hand, while most companies want you to buy one copy for each machine, I have actually seen in print before (been a while, forget where) from a big name company that they are not OVERLY concerned if you load word on both your laptop and your home machine for instance. Not that they particularly want it, and of course I think most remember Microsoft's rollout of windows xp where they limited use to one ocmputer. They also started individual processor id's to enforce such things. But to load a copy of your friends onto yours...that is a different story. As far as bringing home a program...probably also no legal...unless he simply didn't use it at work anymore...then why not. As for not stopping them...no, probably can't stop them. But you can kick them off of boards where they promote it. At least then maybe some others won't feel emboldened by their example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despaxes Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 yes promoting or using illegal products is wrong,, we cant stop it thoug...its been around since software itself..even if it was just a friend lending a game.. it would be great if we could stop all pirating but big business and the common man are both to greedy thanks everyone for the sigs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts