I never stated once that I hated living in America. I was making a post about the decline of rights and how it grows worse by the day. No, the american press isn't "manipulating" my mind. If you live in america you don't have to look far to see what i'm talking about.

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Is offensive to me. And clearly racial.

 

 

 

No I didn't read the rest. Something about hating police.

 

 

 

I agree with you. Freedom of speech is one thing, but do you remember the part about "All men created equal?" That comment that Don Imus made challenges that immortal quote. Now what if that racial slur had been against you? You would've written a long post just like this one, I'm sure. -.-

this is going kinnda off topic but...

 

 

 

the bill of rights shouldnt protect peoples feelings. If you say something you believe no matter how hatefull it is( as long as its not a threat or anything) you should be able to say it. words cant hurt you so suck it up.

*sigh*

 

And here we have another deluded little jackass complaining about America.

 

No one is asking you to stay. Move to the middle east or something, and see how much you miss our cops who don't shoot you because they don't like your face, or because they are terrorists.

 

Stop playing the little wounded martyr and wake up and smell reality. You have rights in America you have nowhere else. If you did some of those protests in some middle eastern countries, you would be publicly executed. Here you get jail time. Note the difference.

 

I'll quote lord krohn here : "You need to wake up and stop snorting the media BS". Form your own opinions. Don't listen to the media.

 

If you hate America so much, please, move somewhere else. After all, we wouldn't want to torture you by making you stay here. [/sarcasm]

 

Now stop complaining about things you can't change. Politicians are corrupt, but look at Kim Jong Xil (sp?). Are we firing missiles at the ocean in the general area of our enemies? No? Like I said, politicians are corrupt, but it could be worse. We could have a dictator instead of democracy. Here is the only part I agree with you on: We do have limited democracy, but its still not communism/dictatorship.

 

So here's your reality check.

 

I'ma guess you are a skinhead? Here's some news: Hit ler's dead. Time to move on.

 

 

 

Not very bright are you?

 

 

 

The orginal posters concern/issue is the decline of our rights. You wrote..

 

 

 

"You have rights in America you have nowhere else"

 

 

 

Well if our rights are declining, what rights are you talking about 10 years down the road from now? They will be non-existant.

 

 

 

"You need to wake up and stop snorting the media BS"

 

 

 

Perhaps it is you who needs to wake up. Your Rights are the only thing preventing bad countries like Iraq to take place in America. Without them, America would turn into any other bad country.

 

 

 

"We do have limited democracy, but its still not communism/dictatorship"

 

 

 

Once again, please wake up. With the Bill of Rights you have America, with No Rights you have Dicatorship/Communism. The decline of our rights will eventually LEAD to communism or dictatorship.

 

 

 

America is on a Decline, not a Rise. Wake up, because one day you may just be running for your life or shot in the face because you didn't empty out your pockets.

 

 

 

I have a few questions.

 

First: When did I mention rights ten years from now? As far as I'm concerned, we'll still have our rights ten years from now.

 

Second: How is America only America because of the Bill of Rights? Last I checked, we were the United States of America, not the United States of the Bill of Rights. America would be here whether or not the Bill was or not. Infact, the founding fathers were against democracy, all for monarchy or communism.

 

Third: Freedom of Speech. Everyone has it. When people get jailed for sexual comments/racial slurs, they cry about freedom of speech. But you aren't getting jailed for what you said. You are getting jailed for harrassment. And protesting stuff. If you get violent, you will get arrested. Violence isn't talking. Violence can get people hurt, and those big mean cops are here to stop that. Some are corrupt, sure, but most aren't.

 

 

 

You have to escape this little "everyone hates me", jaded teenager view on America. I don't like the government, but seeing as I have a very slim chance of being blown up every day, I'm quite happy with America. I don't like politics, but they evidentally are doing something for us, seeing as we aren't a communist nation. We still have rights. Now wake up and recognize them. No, no one is gonna take em from you. Not in the near future, no. Now, when you are trying to "stick it to the man", please remember that it could be worse.

No, the american press isn't "manipulating" my mind.

 

I was quoting goldphishies, not you.

 

I'm on your side here, ozzy. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

I don't like the government, but seeing as I have a very slim chance of being blown up every day, I'm quite happy with America.

 

Hopefully this isn't another stab at how "safe" America is compared to the "evil" Middle-East. :-k

I don't like the government, but seeing as I have a very slim chance of being blown up every day, I'm quite happy with America.

 

Hopefully this isn't another stab at how "safe" America is compared to the "evil" Middle-East. :-k

 

 

 

Stab? Last I checked it was a pretty sound fact that we are safer here than there.... :-k

 

And the Middle East isn't "evil", most people in the Middle East are innocent civilians, but there's a bit more terrorists over there than there is here...so...

 

 

 

+!93: This is basically a reproduction of the "I Hate America Club" thread. Maybe you should check that one out, it may give you some more insight into how good Americans really have it.

i think my brother and u got switched at birth...

 

 

 

i am against the united states government even though i live there, this isnt the land of the free. im thinking of moving to england or canada.

 

the president is worse then hitler, he is wasting our tax dollars in a war that is just covering up the fact that we are taking iraqs oil. the cops and jail guards are too violent now. how people act around u depends on ur race (im white btw). i hate all these racist [bleep]s. this country is getting worse while all the other countrys are getting better. now everyone is trying to get into america, which is making everything worse.

 

 

 

we must vote democrat (not hillary clinton though, she will be influenced by bill clinton, a woman as president is fine, but just not hillary). republicans have failed.

 

 

 

republicans = FAIL (why is there no ANGRY FAIC on this forum)

 

 

 

if hillary is to be president we will loose all respect from countrys like china, they will think we are weak and wars will break out. hillary wont know what to do and bill will be out having an affair.

 

 

 

im white, but i say we should have an african american as president, because all the white politicians i see on television are greedy bastards.

 

 

 

im racist towards a certain group (politicians) within my own race :XD:

I don't live in the U.S., nor was I born there, but I get to know the limitations people have in the name of "liberty". I mean, they are putting a knife in Iraq's throat in order to oblige them to be free and exercise the Holy Democracy.

 

 

 

Also, this Second Amendment, -The right of the people to keep and bear Arms-, wasn't this constitution written around 1780, right after the independence war? The social circumstances have changed too much for this to not to be considered obsolete, in my opinion.

 

 

 

I can't talk much, about the inner politics of the country, but this is my point of view.

Stab? Last I checked it was a pretty sound fact that we are safer here than there....

 

Yes, certain countries in the Middle East are unsafe at the moment (no thanks to America's response to 9/11) but there are many places that are just as safe, if not safer, than the US. Take a look at Bahrain or The United Arab Emirates, for example.

 

 

 

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has a crime rate of 19 per thousand, while America is 398 per thousand.[1][2]

 

 

 

there's a bit more terrorists over there than there is here...so...

 

Again, this depends on location.

 

According to OSAC, terrorism is very low in the UAE.[1]

 

There has never been an act of transnational terrorism committed against an American in the UAE, but Dubai is a potential transit point for members of transnational terrorist organizations. There are no indigenous terrorist organizations in Dubai or the UAE. There has been no political violence directed toward Americans or American businesses in Dubai in recent years.

 

Based on that, we can conclude that Americans living in the U.S. tend to deal with more terrorism than Americans living in the UAE.

Admendment 3 -No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

 

 

 

I have noticed how many wives of those who have left for Iraq struggle to keep a job and support their children all at once.

 

 

 

I'm not sure excatly how they are supossed to do that without the government's help. They sad part is those women or men who lose their spouse in war then only get support from the goverment.

 

 

 

Obvouisly, our american government doesn't care wether you are worried every night that your husband or wife may never return and you are struggling with many problems in society.

 

Am i the only person who doesnt see how this amendment and his response have anything to do with each other? the amendment means soldiers can use their houses as HQ or camps, not that they cant send them off to war.

 

 

 

Within 3 year's, America with be part of the North American Union. American's WILL NOT HAVE THE BILL OF RIGHTS UNDER THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION!

 

 

 

that's if American's don't try to stop the North American Union from happing. For that to happen, we need to pull out of NAFTA and the SPP.

 

Wow dude. Every chance you get, eh?

 

 

 

And guns dont kill people, people with guns dont kill people, and bullets dont kill people. Blood loss or severe organ damage caused by bullets kill people.

guns dont kill people, angry husbands who come home early kill people=P

Stab? Last I checked it was a pretty sound fact that we are safer here than there....

 

Yes, certain countries in the Middle East are unsafe at the moment (no thanks to America's response to 9/11)

 

Oh yes. 3000 innocent American lives. How dare we retaliate. Well, that put us in our place, didn't it?

 

And I'm pretty sure we have a bit denser populace than middle east.

I like you, even though I never saw you on the forum. Yup america, and every country while at it, is becoming more and more of a prison, liberty is slowly dissipating in thin air. It will continue as long as people are oblivious to it, and let it continue. However, if people do wake up, the prison bars will dissappear effortlessly.

Imus did not have his freedom of speech abused in anyway, because freedom of speech only means the federal goverment can't do anything about what you say. He was fired by the company that ran his show, because they did not like the bad publicity. That fits perfectly within the companys right to mantain their image. Regardless of the fact that the people who wanted him fired, such as al sharpton, were involved in politics doesn't mean they were the federal goverment.

 

 

 

I agree with you about the second ammendment

 

 

 

Im not exactly sure what your third point has to do with the third ammendment.

 

 

 

I agree with you about four

 

 

 

As with three, i'm not exactly sure what your fifth point has to do with the eighth ammendment.

 

 

 

As for all the people telling this guy to "leave it if he don't like it" and "its worse in other places"

 

 

 

:shame: :shame: :shame:

 

 

 

It's undeniable the the united states has lost its way. The fact is, he is pointing out some places were we have done so, and you are attacking him? That means your showing support for the downfall of the united states! Traitors! You would have this country fall into despotism as long as the despot wore red white and blue! Sure it's worse in other places, but that doesn't seem like a good excuse at all. Even though i would rather live in a mediocre america then a terrible middle east, i would much prefer living in a great america then a mediocre one, don't tell me you could possibly disagree with that.

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America is not deteriorating. It may be declining in some ways *cough* politics *cough*, but not all. Only pacifists and democrats think we are completely going downhill.

By any chance did you see 'V for Vendetta'? It's a good movie and all, but you really shouldn't compare that to America lol.

Stab? Last I checked it was a pretty sound fact that we are safer here than there....

 

Yes, certain countries in the Middle East are unsafe at the moment (no thanks to America's response to 9/11)

 

Oh yes. 3000 innocent American lives. How dare we retaliate. Well, that put us in our place, didn't it?

 

Around 68,747 to 75,194 innocent Iraqi lives have been lost from America's "War on Terror".[1]

 

 

 

The death count from 9/11 is 2,752.[2] The war has sent 3,680 more Americans to their graves.[3]

 

 

 

Retaliation is expected, but this unnecessary violence. Much of the Middle East sees America as the true terrorist here. I'd say it's justified after reading the death counts.

 

 

 

And I'm pretty sure we have a bit denser populace than middle east.

 

Nope...

 

 

 

The United States have a relatively low population density compared to many Middle Eastern countries. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Pakistan, etc. all have higher population densities than The United States.[4]

How can you say things like this if you don't live in the country? Do you have any clue how much it pisses off people who lost relatives and friends on 9/11 and in Iraq?? And if you're American, it's even worse that you have no sense of pride for your country, and anger. I lost my uncle on 9/11, and have a cousin in Iraq. When people like you, pacifists, liberals, and just plain idiots, start talking like you know what is going on in America, you prove your ignorance. Think about it this way: It's them or us. I'd rather it be them. And terrorists have killed most of those civilians. Americans don't line 'em up and shoot them, we don't randomly fly planes into buildings simply because we don't like them. We don't start wars, we step into them. I guarentee the Middle East would be ten times worse than it is if we weren't there. We didn't start this war, but we are sure as hell gonna finish it. If 100,000 people die for a million, it's not good, but it could be worse. But if we let them go without doing anything, one million will die for 100,000 in the end.

How can you say things like this if you don't live in the country? Do you have any clue how much it pisses off people who lost relatives and friends on 9/11 and in Iraq?? And if you're American, it's even worse that you have no sense of pride for your country, and anger. I lost my uncle on 9/11, and have a cousin in Iraq. When people like you, pacifists, liberals, and just plain idiots, start talking like you know what is going on in America, you prove your ignorance. Think about it this way: It's them or us. I'd rather it be them. And terrorists have killed most of those civilians. Americans don't line 'em up and shoot them, we don't randomly fly planes into buildings simply because we don't like them. We don't start wars, we step into them. I guarentee the Middle East would be ten times worse than it is if we weren't there. We didn't start this war, but we are sure as hell gonna finish it. If 100,000 people die for a million, it's not good, but it could be worse. But if we let them go without doing anything, one million will die for 100,000 in the end.

 

 

 

I'm sorry for your loss.

 

 

 

Ok, your still talking terrorists, but we are talking iraq. There is almost no relationship between the two. Yes, their are some terrorists in iraq, but there is some terrorists just about everywhere. Don't play the 9/11 card when we are dealing with a different group of people.

 

 

 

I'm not exactly sure how we got to the war in the first place, wasn't this about rights here in the states?

On the war stuff: 9/11 was a terrible tragedy, and it was a mass murder. However, vilageidiotx is correct to say that the war in Iraq and 9/11 are NOT connected. Saddam Hussein was never connected to Al Qaeda. There have been a tremendous number of civilian casualties in Iraq - homes destroyed and blown up - so don't give the "we're more civil" argument. We're more civil about how we murder people? Yeah, right. We need to make significant efforts to drastically reduce civilian casualties if this war is going to continue Additionally, plenty people who lost friends and family in 9/11 are pacifists. So back off.

 

 

 

On the original post:

 

 

 

You don't much sound like an anarchist to me. I've been involved in discussion with genuine anarchists, and their opinions have a great deal of validity. Believing very strongly in the Constitution's Bill of Rights, and also small government, sounds to me more libertarian than anything else. But libertarianism and anarchism are closely related, except that anarchism has less of a belief that the state should have strong defense, and is much more interested in social justice (the means of which would be by focusing on the small community, and not the national picture with all its institutional biases).

 

 

 

You might be interested to read some classics of anarchist literature. From Emma Goldman to Noam Chomsky, it's interesting stuff. riding around in the skatepark and hating the police isn't actually anarchism - but anarchism IS an interesting belief system, and highly worth reading more about. I'd recommend continuing to delve deeper into some of these issues :)

How can you say things like this if you don't live in the country? Do you have any clue how much it pisses off people who lost relatives and friends on 9/11 and in Iraq?? And if you're American, it's even worse that you have no sense of pride for your country, and anger. I lost my uncle on 9/11, and have a cousin in Iraq. When people like you, pacifists, liberals, and just plain idiots, start talking like you know what is going on in America, you prove your ignorance. Think about it this way: It's them or us. I'd rather it be them. And terrorists have killed most of those civilians. Americans don't line 'em up and shoot them, we don't randomly fly planes into buildings simply because we don't like them. We don't start wars, we step into them. I guarentee the Middle East would be ten times worse than it is if we weren't there. We didn't start this war, but we are sure as hell gonna finish it. If 100,000 people die for a million, it's not good, but it could be worse. But if we let them go without doing anything, one million will die for 100,000 in the end.

 

 

 

I'm sorry for your loss.

 

 

 

Ok, your still talking terrorists, but we are talking iraq. There is almost no relationship between the two. Yes, their are some terrorists in iraq, but there is some terrorists just about everywhere. Don't play the 9/11 card when we are dealing with a different group of people.

 

 

 

I'm not exactly sure how we got to the war in the first place, wasn't this about rights here in the states?

 

 

 

I'm not exactly sure...

 

 

 

But I don't get the rest of your post.

How can you say things like this if you don't live in the country? Do you have any clue how much it pisses off people who lost relatives and friends on 9/11 and in Iraq?? And if you're American, it's even worse that you have no sense of pride for your country, and anger. I lost my uncle on 9/11, and have a cousin in Iraq.

 

As a Canadian, I was deeply affected by 9/11 and I have shared the same grief as the rest of North America.

 

I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I apologise if my comments offended you.

 

 

 

And terrorists have killed most of those civilians.

 

Whether or not that's true; these civilians are dying because of the war.

 

 

 

Americans don't line 'em up and shoot them

 

Although it has been known to happen... :(

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/

 

 

 

we don't randomly fly planes into buildings simply because we don't like them.

 

Instead, the army uses the less accurate "cluster bombs" to destroy entire cities and towns. :-s

 

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0226-06.htm

 

 

 

We don't start wars, we step into them.

 

I disagree... You started this war by invading Iraq.

 

 

 

I guarentee the Middle East would be ten times worse than it is if we weren't there. We didn't start this war, but we are sure as hell gonna finish it.

 

Unfortunately, you are mistaken. Jihadist terrorism has increased dramatically since the invasion of Iraq. I strongly suggest you read up on it...

 

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature ... rmath.html

 

 

 

Here's an interesting quote from that article:

 

Contrary to BushÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s assertion, jihadists have not let the Iraq War distract them from targeting the United States and its allies. The rate of attacks on Western interests and citizens has risen by almost 25 percent, while the yearly fatality rate has increased by 4 percent, a figure that would have been higher had planned attacks, such as the London airline plot, not been prevented.

 

 

 

PS: Sorry for hijaking this thread with the whole war aspect... Although I think it's still slightly relevant.

So what are we supposed to do? Sit back and watch this happen? It will get worse if we simply pull out.

 

If you think about it, we do line people up and shoot them quite a bit less than terrorists...

 

Cluster bombs. Yes. And yet when we use these bombs, we don't aim for civilians. We aim for terrorist orginizations/buildings. It's heartbreaking that civilians are killed, but like I said, 100 innocents less for 1000 less terrorists is pretty good. It's still not good, and heartbreaking civilians must die, but necesarry to end terrorism.

 

From my point of view (and most American's), we didn't start the war. They attacked us first. We declared war, yes, but that is simply a technecality, and used as a lazy point. Forgive me for insulting you for being lazy, but it is true.

 

Imagine if we hadn't stepped in. Yes, we are fighting a losing battle, but it's best to hold them off and delay their progress than just let them have free reing(sp?). And you'll note it says "a figure that would have been higher had planned attacks... not been prevented".

 

 

 

 

 

Mad4u, we went in originally for Osama Bin Laden, then went after Hussein as well. We had had past quarrels with him. I think he broke some kind of treaty or agreement, if I'm wrong, please correct me.

So what are we supposed to do? Sit back and watch this happen? It will get worse if we simply pull out.

 

If you think about it, we do line people up and shoot them quite a bit less than terrorists...

 

Cluster bombs. Yes. And yet when we use these bombs, we don't aim for civilians. We aim for terrorist orginizations/buildings. It's heartbreaking that civilians are killed, but like I said, 100 innocents less for 1000 less terrorists is pretty good. It's still not good, and heartbreaking civilians must die, but necesarry to end terrorism.

 

From my point of view (and most American's), we didn't start the war. They attacked us first. We declared war, yes, but that is simply a technecality, and used as a lazy point. Forgive me for insulting you for being lazy, but it is true.

 

Imagine if we hadn't stepped in. Yes, we are fighting a losing battle, but it's best to hold them off and delay their progress than just let them have free reing(sp?). And you'll note it says "a figure that would have been higher had planned attacks... not been prevented".

 

 

 

 

 

Mad4u, we went in originally for Osama Bin Laden, then went after Hussein as well. We had had past quarrels with him. I think he broke some kind of treaty or agreement, if I'm wrong, please correct me.

 

 

 

Which war are we talking about? Enduring Freedom or Iraqi freedom? The first was acceptable for all the reasons you named, but that doesn't cover iraq. Iraq was over tensions between the us and iraq over the alledged development of "weapons of mass destruction" which were later proven unexistent. The reason the iraq war is unpopular is for that reason, that we are now fighting inside iraq in vain, because our target isn't there. It's really now just a police action, trying to fix the mess that was made after said invasion.

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So what are we supposed to do? Sit back and watch this happen? It will get worse if we simply pull out.

 

If you think about it, we do line people up and shoot them quite a bit less than terrorists...

 

Cluster bombs. Yes. And yet when we use these bombs, we don't aim for civilians. We aim for terrorist orginizations/buildings. It's heartbreaking that civilians are killed, but like I said, 100 innocents less for 1000 less terrorists is pretty good. It's still not good, and heartbreaking civilians must die, but necesarry to end terrorism.

 

From my point of view (and most American's), we didn't start the war. They attacked us first. We declared war, yes, but that is simply a technecality, and used as a lazy point. Forgive me for insulting you for being lazy, but it is true.

 

Imagine if we hadn't stepped in. Yes, we are fighting a losing battle, but it's best to hold them off and delay their progress than just let them have free reing(sp?). And you'll note it says "a figure that would have been higher had planned attacks... not been prevented".

 

 

 

 

 

Mad4u, we went in originally for Osama Bin Laden, then went after Hussein as well. We had had past quarrels with him. I think he broke some kind of treaty or agreement, if I'm wrong, please correct me.

 

 

 

Which war are we talking about? Enduring Freedom or Iraqi freedom? The first was acceptable for all the reasons you named, but that doesn't cover iraq. Iraq was over tensions between the us and iraq over the alledged development of "weapons of mass destruction" which were later proven unexistent. The reason the iraq war is unpopular is for that reason, that we are now fighting inside iraq in vain, because our target isn't there. It's really now just a police action, trying to fix the mess that was made after said invasion.

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So should we just leave the mess instead of trying to fix it?

 

I agree that we should of investigated the weapons, and then left. But there are still terrorists there, and we are trying to clean the rest out. Bin Laden may also be hiding somewhere there, but IMO he's dead. But if he isn't, and we leave, he'll be able to organize more attacks in a few years, and we'll be back where we started. It's necesarry to stay there, but mainly it's just to cover our backs, incase he is still alive.