Well, i thought it would be kind of interesting to start a kind of "art debates" series, like they have a debate thing in off topic. Something where we could actualy talk about art some more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, for the first one, i have a simple question:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is art?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember, there is no right or wrong answer. I do however, want you to get evidence for it. Also, if you disagree someone, debate with them, but do NOT flame them. I don't want this to be a flaming post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, i'll start with my definition of art kind of:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I personaly think art is something, no mater if its a drawing, or abstract, or landscape, ect. ect. (or photography, whatever) That expresses some kind of feeling. the feeling can be as concrete as an actual message you are trying to get out, to you just wishing to recreate a scene or a feeling. In some way i think your "recreating" something, weather it was in your head, outside, or just a base feeling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So i don't realy distinguish, for example, a random amount of brushes as "art" Now true, that can represent feelings such as Confusion, ect. ect. , but it depends if you realy want to represent that, and arn't just doing something to make cash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Anyways, i might elaborate on it more, but i have to go atm. I hope to see this become a good, fun, non flamable discusion.

i agree art is feelings or ideas put forth into a work, it can be anything, somnepeople may get different feelings from different works but it is meant to portray a set of feelings usually and some do it just to do it, yes it is art but the ones that were drawnjkust to be drawn always seem to be lacking, thats effort and true feeling put behind it

Unfortunately, I believe most answer's to the question have become cliche, and I hate being cliche. None the less, I believe art is any ones expression of what their heart is colaberating on with their mind to create a visual, audio, lyrical, poetical, pixelated or inked, or just a straight forward writen, substance. Wether by accident or months if not years of effort, and is held in a certain reguard to the creator. To be the most cliche of all, it's in the eye of the beholder. Even some random brushes put together for cash, if creative thought was put in to it and the creator explains it to be art, then I believe it has artistic quality. A randomly generated peice; a hypathetical instance would be a script written to blob together random brushes at random colors. There is no creative though in that; outside of what may have gone in to creating the script.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As Nad, maybe I'll write more tomorrow :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Cal

art is the product that comes out from you using your.. things to do.. stuff.. that... looks good..

i think of art as any piece of work that expresses a scene from memory or fantasy or expresses one's feelings and thought's on something

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hows that :?

Art for me, Creation, Symbolism, Creativity... and it lets you express your self id different ways....

art is screwing up a beautiful terragen render ehh nad?? :D :lol:

My favorite ART quote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Art is with you since the moment you are born, the hard part is keeping it as you Grow"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Unkwon Artist!!!

art is screwing up a beautiful terragen render ehh nad?? :D :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you only knew :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Hides before Nad returns.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Cal

My favorite ART quote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Art is with you since the moment you are born, the hard part is keeping it as you Grow"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Unkwon Artist!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's Pablo Picasso.

A- Awesome

 

 

 

R- Radicle

 

 

 

T- Totally kick arse

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wooo.... i'm creative.... :roll:

The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mastersigmaker

Now I am glad I tend to keep long posts on my word processor. This post is a modified version of my response to a similar topic in the DAG.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am limiting this to GRAPHICAL art as that seems to be the thrust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The most important element, to my thinking, is recognizable subject matter--you may doubt this, but most art was not little blobs of junk until recently. In fact, the whole point of art from ancient times was to record, to show , to give a representation of recognizable subject matter. Most were on functional items, such as pottery, caves, etc. They were decorations or story telling devices. It was not until the advent of the camera that we started to get abstract junk of any form. Look at all the OLD masters that sub (sub divi referenced some old masters) talks about. Emotion was NOT their goal. Realism was. They is why they figured out the ways to give depth through isometric perspective, overlapping, relative size, brilliancy of color, shading, etc. They had no other way to get at real, so they painted real. Was emotion left out? No, but they were going for realism. in the case of the Greeks they were going for a realistic IDEAL. The ideal man, ideal female form, etc. The advent of abstract was a direct result of real suddenly becoming easy through film. If someone could do a perfect representation with a camera, then realism is pointless. This was the dilemma that confronted the artist. So in order to not go broke they began to pioneer. But if you look at the masters who employed this form, they ALREADY KNEW how to do classical realism. They just couldn't make a living at it. Now we have a resurgence of realism through the avenues of sci fi and fantasy art. Creating a realistic but non-existent scene. One tutorial on FARP for instance shows someone who drew a dragon but used the musculature of a lion to make sure that some elements were realistic-seeming, though the creature itself was fantasy. cheeseballs who have no skill, but are rife with emotion, may please themselves but they won't make many others happy. Those with both CAN convey a message, an emotive one at that. But the best way to bring emotion is an emotional rendering of familiar subject matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point is that, while some works may

 

 

 

a. spring from strong emotions

 

 

 

b. be meant to convey strong emotions

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

works usually fail to do this without relating to some kind of subject matter that the brain can recognize, process, and receive the desired effect from. Therefore, recognizable subject matter, in my estimation, is the hallmark of good art. Does it stand on its own? No, but it is the beginning point, and is present in nearly all art (except for crud that was consumer driven recently) throughout all cultures and ages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I should also note that what we call an abstract here is NOT abstract. A render that is shaded or a bunch of grunge brushing is NON-REPRESENTATIONAL art. True abstract is art that conveys something realistic, but in a surreal manner, in a different manner. Portraying a building from all perspaectives at once is abstract. You still see the building, but it is in a different way than reality would call for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One could argue that artists have been forced to adapt to popular, but rather cruddy works just to make a living. Look at the rise of abstract art. All of the memorable abstract masters came AFTER the invention of modern photography.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Van GoghÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâstarted art as his third career in 1880 after being inspired by drawing his mining parishoners as a pastor in his second career.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MonetÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâstarted around 1867

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O'KeefeÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ1905, started art career as a high schooler.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PicassoÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ1893, debut as an artist

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Escher--Not born until 1898

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The advent of usable photographyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ1830's

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was not until the advent of the camera that we started to get abstract junk of any form. Once the camera came around realism was not really necessary. The phase out took a long time in some venues. The golden age of magazine illustration for instance was in the 1920's-30's. But today, the only place where realism is REALLY valued as a commercial asset is in Sci-fi and fantasy, etc. where you can't really get realism from photos, since the subject matter doesn't exist. Think about it. We all marvel at someone who spent 45 hours to render a super realistic black and portrait with pencils. It seems inhuman that they could even do it. But after about 5 minutes of being impressed it suddently dawns on you. Why not take a picture instead? Now sometimes the painting reveals things more than a picture. But for the commercial market, with deadlines, etc. a 20 minute photo beats a 40 hour portrait any day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore, it is my contention that recognizable subject matter is the key element in art.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So my definition would be

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"any intentional representation of recognizable subject matter through graphical means."

The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mastersigmaker

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pmgleikdicti0n4ry.comdude?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heh, genious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Cal

 

art is screwing up a beautiful terragen render ehh nad?? :D :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you only knew :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Hides before Nad returns.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Cal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well i was talkin to him on msn and he got really ticked off at terragen and set the sun brightness to like 300,000% and screwed it up. i was amusing to watch though

art is a kind of tool to express an opinion or feeling, and at the same time build up a picture of that feeling or opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats all i could describe really :wink:

Anything you make by using your mind. That's my definition... Don't think it need's proof...

 

 

art is screwing up a beautiful terragen render ehh nad?? :D :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you only knew :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Hides before Nad returns.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Cal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well i was talkin to him on msn and he got really ticked off at terragen and set the sun brightness to like 300,000% and screwed it up. i was amusing to watch though

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh well so was I :P sorry for asuming you weren't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Cal

First off, good post Tttia. Very close to my exact feelings about art and specifically, abstraction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are many different forms of art; and different forms have different meanings. Most of todays artists will eventually end up in commercial art if they pursue it professionally. This type of art must convey a recognizable subject matter, but it often has less "artsy" roots, whereas its main goal is to sell something. Alot of people would argue that this is not art anyway, but that's probably for another discussion. I think alot of todays artists are more technically sound than they are artistically; I know it is true of me. We know how art is created, and we know what makes good art, so we put 1 and 1 together. However, I think there is a serious of lack of "pure talent" in the art world today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bit of a deviation from Tttia's post:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, art doesn't have to be graphical. I would consider musicians (sorry, it's early and I can't spell) to be artists as well. Art is anything that conveys a specific emotion. The main job of the artist is not to convey specific ideas to a group of people; that's propoganda. The main job of the artist is to convey his ideas, and let the viewer figure them out. It's the secrecy that makes it genius.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In short, this is a boring topic, let's get it overwith as soon as possible.

True, art doesn't have to be graphical, but trying to convey all of them in one definition is a bit difficult.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And just as in poems etc. there is an interplay between artist and audience, where they want them to get it, but they want them to work for it. King of like volleying in tennis for fun, or playing catch with a frisbee or ball. You might throw it long, but you hope they run and make an amazing catch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still, I don't think it is an emotion per se. I think it is the original INTENT of the author, which may as a result bring about emotion.

i agree art is feelings or ideas put forth into a work, it can be anything, somnepeople may get different feelings from different works but it is meant to portray a set of feelings usually and some do it just to do it, yes it is art but the ones that were drawnjkust to be drawn always seem to be lacking, thats effort and true feeling put behind it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I disagree, I do some art where I just do it for the rewards, and really don't put any feeling into it, sometimes I do, but mainly not, if I do something with feelings it's a personal project. If somebody requests a signature, i'm hardly going to put my heart and soul into it.

Art...Its all around us...The sun setting in the evening as its last glimmer up light shines along the horizen,the trees swaying in the breeze. It inspires oneself. Art can be used to express feelings, as an outlet of emotion, sometimes it is rather the outcome than the preparation that most strive for. In my opinion Art cannot be explained through theory. Though most have explanations for the meaning of art, they only touch a few subjects upon it...Creativity Has no boundaries.

Art isnt's just something you can see. I think that's what most people think of when someone says 'art.' Art is an expression of someone's feelings. You could say that crying is art. Smiling is art. Your emotions are art.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art can be expressed through music, physical interpretations, poetry, stories, lyrics, or anything that conveys someone's feelings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So do not think of art as always being something on a piece of paper or on the computer screen. It's much deeper. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I consider my fly-tying an art

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(u make the flies for fly fishing)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its anything that you think of and use your mind to make it, like drawings, sculptures, flies :)

I consider my fly-tying an art

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(u make the flies for fly fishing)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its anything that you think of and use your mind to make it, like drawings, sculptures, flies :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wow thats pretty cool sliceman........i've seen guys doing that on TV and it looks hard. that's pretty awesome. and yes i agree.....that IS an art. its a;so very difficult and it clearly requires skill :P