Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[Ginger_Warrior]

Nah. I mean, America does rule the world on this matter.

 

 

 

It's not like it was someone from the UK that invented the Internet, or computers or anything useful like that...

 

 

 

It's not like the LHC experiment is happening on the Swiss-Franc border...

 

 

 

It's not like France has the best rated healthcare system in the world...

 

 

 

It's not like some European countries have gotten over giggling at the word "sex" by the time their children grow up to be 11...

 

 

 

It's not like the EU combined is the biggest economy in the world in GDP terms according to the IMF...

 

 

 

You're right. Europe really is a backward place to be. I have no idea why I didn't realise that until you pointed it out.

 

 

 

You're a sucker for punishment, aren't you? : The 21st century called. It would like you to stop drinking the 19th century European Kool-Aid.

 

 

 

*Ahem*

 

 

 

The European Union in a conglomerate of 27 (I think it's 27. Not totally sure) countries versus just the U.S., has about a population of approximately 190M more people than the U.S. yet only has a GDP of about $17T USD versus the U.S.'s $13T. Fyi, that's not very good considering it's a mass of 27 countries. Hell, the standard of living in Europe is about half that of the U.S. (England is somewhere in the middle of the U.S. and the E.U.). You wouldn't dare compare any single European country to the U.S., or even Japan or China, for that matter, for the simple fact that Europe has been in a steady decline since the end of WWII. The continent's "superpowers" (France, Germany and, to a lesser extent, Italy) have seen prolonged periods of economic stagnation followed by a continuous period of declining economic growth over the past 30'ish odd years. But, hey, aside from the rapidly aging population, a decreasing working percentage of the population, a rapidly declining overall population, stagnating economies in terms of growth when compared to the rest of the world-- Especially South America, Africa and Southeast Asia-- Everything's A-OK :thumbsup:

 

Firstly, an ageing population is actually a sign of a good quality of life, as it indicates people are generally more healthy and have a higher life expectancy.

 

 

 

Secondly, the bolded parts. Have you got any empirical evidence for any of those claims? The UK for one has had economic growth for the past fourteen years. This quarter was the first in which economic growth stagnated for a while, thanks partly to a boom in the US, but also due to the fact more people are in work now than at any other time in our history, contrary to your claim the size of our workforce is decreasing.

 

 

 

If you really want to compare unemployment figures, go ahead and compare the UK with the US. They're really not that far apart.

 

 

 

The part in italics just made me laugh. It shows what you know of world history if you think Italy was a world superpower before WWII, or France for that matter. The only country which has lost superpower status due to the Second World War was the British Empire, which had to effectively be sold off to finance British participation in the War in conjunction with the Lend Lease Act. Since then, no European country has been a superpower.

 

 

 

The underlined part, well, I really have no clue what you're talking about. "Growth compared to other nations"? Growth is growth. The reason those areas are developing more rapidly is because they've got a lower base to start from. It's hardly rocket science.

 

 

 

I'm really not interested in an argument about the US vs. the EU. I'm hardly a supporter of the EU either. But please stop referring to anything in Europe when your knowledge is quite clearly lacking.

 

 

 

For one, returning to the original point, the majority of Europeans are still religious (most Christian, like the US).

[Shinjula]

I'm somewhat with abby on the showing affection in public part. Then again, I'm against it for straight couples, too. Flaming gay people piss me off especially, just as a loud and obnoxious man with a tattoo of a naked lady on his arm does.

 

 

 

Isn't that just emotional repression though?

 

 

 

Psychologically its actually really quite bad for peoples emotional health to be unable to express emotion or see emotion expressed in others.

 

 

 

So on that basis I would recommend you work on yourself to open yourself up to those experiences. After all, what you seem to be having is a negative reaction to those around you displaying joy and happiness in themselves and their lives and their partners - not really something to encourage in yourself or in others.

[assassin_696]

The European Union in a conglomerate of 27 (I think it's 27. Not totally sure) countries versus just the U.S., has about a population of approximately 190M more people than the U.S. yet only has a GDP of about $17T USD versus the U.S.'s $13T. Fyi, that's not very good considering it's a mass of 27 countries. Hell, the standard of living in Europe is about half that of the U.S. (England is somewhere in the middle of the U.S. and the E.U.). You wouldn't dare compare any single European country to the U.S., or even Japan or China, for that matter, for the simple fact that Europe has been in a steady decline since the end of WWII. The continent's "superpowers" (France, Germany and, to a lesser extent, Italy) have seen prolonged periods of economic stagnation followed by a continuous period of declining economic growth over the past 30'ish odd years. But, hey, aside from the rapidly aging population, a decreasing working percentage of the population, a rapidly declining overall population, stagnating economies in terms of growth when compared to the rest of the world-- Especially South America, Africa and Southeast Asia-- Everything's A-OK :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Haha, if you wanted to shoot yourself in the foot by appearing illinformed then the bolded part is golden. The UK economy over the past two decades has consistently outperformed any other major developed economy.

[Sly_Wizard]

Firstly, an ageing population is actually a sign of a good quality of life, as it indicates people are generally more healthy and have a higher life expectancy.

 

 

 

...And a declining birth rate.

 

 

 

Secondly, the bolded parts. Have you got any empirical evidence for any of those claims? The UK for one has had economic growth for the past fourteen years. This quarter was the first in which economic growth stagnated for a while, thanks partly to a boom in the US, but also due to the fact more people are in work now than at any other time in our history, contrary to your claim the size of our workforce is decreasing.

 

 

 

Whew. Okay. Let's see here...

 

 

 

1.) The replacement fertility rate is 2.1 children per household. Currently, the UK has a replacement fertility rate of 1.9 children per household.

 

 

 

[hide=]http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=951

 

 

 

The Total Fertility Rate (TFR) in the UK reached 1.90 children per woman in 2007. UK fertility has not been this high since 1980.

 

 

 

The UK TFR has increased each year since 2001 when it dropped to a record low of 1.63. The current level of fertility is relatively high compared with that seen during the 1980s and 1990s. However, the TFR was considerably higher in the 1960s, peaking at 2.95 children per woman in 1964, the height of the 'baby boom'.

 

 

 

The past five years have seen rising fertility in all four UK countries. Northern Ireland continued to have the highest TFR in 2007 (2.02 children per woman), while Scotlands fertility remained lower (1.73 children per woman). The TFRs in England (1.92) and Wales (1.90) were close to the UK average.[/hide]

 

 

 

2.) By 2020, it is estimated that 26% of the UK population will be over 60 years of age; by 2050 that figure will be rise to 38%.

 

 

 

[hide=]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2248531.stm

 

 

 

By 2020, it is estimated that 26% of the UK population will be over 60 years of age; by 2050 that figure will be rise to 38%.[/hide]

 

 

 

3.) Furthermore, by 2050 the European working-age population (1564) is expected to fall by 48 million people, or 16%.

 

 

 

[hide=]http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2006/09/carone.htm

 

 

 

The population of the 25-member European Union (EU) in coming decades is set to become slightly smallerbut much olderposing significant risks to potential economic growth and putting substantial upward pressure on public spending. The region's old-age dependency ratio (the number of people 65 and over relative to those between 15 and 64) is projected to double to 54 percent by 2050, meaning that the EU will move from having four persons of working age for every elderly citizen to only two. In addition, upward pressure on spending has fueled concerns that unsustainable public finances could jeopardize the smooth functioning of the single currency, the euro.

 

 

 

Population aging in Europe is occurring because of the interaction of four demographic developments. First, fertility rates in all EU countries are, and are projected to remain, below the natural population replacement rate. Second, the recent decline in fertility rates followed the postwar baby boom, and the impending retirement of these cohorts will lead to a transitory increase (albeit lasting several decades) in the old-age dependency ratio. Third, life expectancy at birth, having increased by eight years since 1960, is projected to rise by a further six years for males and five years for females by 2050, with most gains resulting from longer life spans. Fourth, large net migration inflows are projected up to 2050: although cumulating to close to 40 million people, they will not offset low fertility and growing life expectancy.

 

 

 

Indeed, according to official projections, between 2004 and 2050, the number of young persons in the EU (aged 014) will drop by 18 percent (see table). The working-age population (1564) will fall by 48 million, or 16 percent, whereas the elderly population aged 65+ will rise sharply, by 58 million (or 77 percent), and the fastest-growing segment of the population will be the very old (aged 80+).[/hide]

 

 

 

And

 

 

 

[hide=]http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2006/09/carone.htm

 

 

 

One study by William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution in Washington, predicts that the median age in the United States in 2050 will be 35.4, only a very slight increase from what it is now. In Europe, by contrast, it is expected to rise to 52.3 from 37.7.

 

 

 

The likely meaning of this "stunning difference," as the British weekly The Economist called the growing demographic disparity between Europe and the United States, is that American power economic and military will continue to grow relative to Europe's, which will also decline in comparison with other parts of the world like China, India and Latin America.

 

 

 

With its population not only aging but shrinking as well, Europe seems to face two broad possibilities: either it will have to make up the population shortfall by substantial increases in immigration, which would almost surely create new political tensions in countries where anti-immigrant parties have gained strength in recent years, or it will have to accept being older and smaller and therefore, as some have been warning, less influential in world affairs....

 

 

 

...Across Europe, only 39 percent of men age 55 to 65 still work, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.[/hide]

 

 

 

If you really want to compare unemployment figures, go ahead and compare the UK with the US. They're really not that far apart.

 

 

 

*Wonders what employment rates have to do with anything*

 

 

 

The part in italics just made me laugh. It shows what you know of world history if you think Italy was a world superpower before WWII, or France for that matter. The only country which has lost superpower status due to the Second World War was the British Empire, which had to effectively be sold off to finance British participation in the War in conjunction with the Lend Lease Act. Since then, no European country has been a superpower.

 

 

 

...You didn't read what I wrote out, did you? I said, and I quote, "The continent's 'superpowers' (France, Germany and, to a lesser extent, Italy) have seen prolonged periods of economic stagnation followed by a continuous period of declining economic growth over the past 30'ish odd years." Congraluations for not knowing that Europe's three biggest economies are that of France, Germany and Italy :thumbsup:

 

 

 

The underlined part, well, I really have no clue what you're talking about. "Growth compared to other nations"? Growth is growth. The reason those areas are developing more rapidly is because they've got a lower base to start from. It's hardly rocket science.

 

 

 

Double congratulations for leaving out the part where I said "prolonged periods of economic stagnation followed by a continuous period of declining economic growth over the past 30'ish years" :thumbsup:

 

 

 

I'm really not interested in an argument about the US vs. the EU. I'm hardly a supporter of the EU either. But please stop referring to anything in Europe when your knowledge is quite clearly lacking.

 

 

 

Ummm... Yeah. See all the stuff written above.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Why are you talking about the future? Your comments were quite clearly about the state of European affairs in the past 30 years, not how it's gonna be in the future. Please stay on-topic.

 

 

 

You're of course fully entitled to your opinion, but I leave you with a small piece of evidence which blows your "economic decline" argument to pieces:

 

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[NoMoreDead]

Homosexuality is just SICK! My god watching to guys do anything they do to a chick (this exludes messing around, i mean serious!) makes me want to go kill the 2 homos! Its Adam and Eve NOT Adam and steve!!

 

 

 

It's quotes like these that make me realize that the phrase "All men are created equal" is meaningless.

 

 

 

The seperation of church and state was abandoned long ago, and it's a damn shame.

[abbydog95]

I think abbydog95 is a good example of a homophobe.

 

 

 

And :shock: @ the killing part.

 

no offense to anyone homo but i am kinda homophobic :-# i just feel gay around them :oops:

 

 

 

That's probably due to your own insecurities about your sexual orientation.

 

no i just dont want to be acsiated with them :x

[magekillr]

Homosexuality is just SICK! My god watching to guys do anything they do to a chick (this exludes messing around, i mean serious!) makes me want to go kill the 2 homos! Its Adam and Eve NOT Adam and steve!!

 

 

 

It's quotes like these that make me realize that the phrase "All men are created equal" is meaningless.

 

 

 

The seperation of church and state was abandoned long ago, and it's a damn shame.

 

 

 

It's kind of funny. Nations with official churches have more separation of church and state than the United States; the US, a country founded on the ideal.

[tennisnick12]

I think that homosexuality is all about genetics and mental problems. I'm saying that I don't think that a person born with the proper genetics and raised without anything that causes problems to his/her mental health will become homosexual. And what I'm saying about genetics is some boys are born with higher levels of female hormones and vice-versa with girls. I think that the second reason people are homosexual is because of psychological problems that they've experienced growing up.

[cheese666me]

I think abbydog95 is a good example of a homophobe.

 

 

 

And :shock: @ the killing part.

 

no offense to anyone homo but i am kinda homophobic :-# i just feel gay around them :oops:

 

 

 

That's probably due to your own insecurities about your sexual orientation.

 

no i just dont want to be acsiated with them :x

 

 

 

And you care about what other people think about your sexual orientation because...? If you are sure you are straight you dont need to give a [bleep] about people that think you are gay just because you are around someone who is gay.

[abbydog95]

I think abbydog95 is a good example of a homophobe.

 

 

 

And :shock: @ the killing part.

 

no offense to anyone homo but i am kinda homophobic :-# i just feel gay around them :oops:

 

 

 

That's probably due to your own insecurities about your sexual orientation.

 

no i just dont want to be acsiated with them :x

 

 

 

And you care about what other people think about your sexual orientation because...? If you are sure you are straight you dont need to give a [bleep] about people that think you are gay just because you are around someone who is gay.

 

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[Saru Inc]

Homosexuality is just SICK! My god watching to guys do anything they do to a chick (this exludes messing around, i mean serious!) makes me want to go kill the 2 homos! Its Adam and Eve NOT Adam and steve!!

 

 

 

It's quotes like these that make me realize that the phrase "All men are created equal" is meaningless.

 

 

 

The seperation of church and state was abandoned long ago, and it's a damn shame.

 

 

 

It's kind of funny. Nations with official churches have more separation of church and state than the United States; the US, a country founded on the ideal.

 

 

 

Just a side note: Separation of church and state was written in a private letter, it is in no part of the law, anywhere.

 

 

 

As too Cheeseme666, I agree with you. However, everyone at school (except my friends and teachers and such) think I am gay, simply because I have a deep, yet feminine voice. So even though I am entirely straight, hanging out with my gay friends doesn't help the situation. Also, I've bad experiences, many of my Gay friends hit on me, it's caused many fights. But I'm nowhere near homophobia, but a little bit close I guess, I've ended many friendships when I found out they were Gay, because I felt extremely uncomfortable.

[Utopianflame]

 

Just a side note: Separation of church and state was written in a private letter, it is in no part of the law, anywhere.

 

 

 

As too Cheeseme666, I agree with you. However, everyone at school (except my friends and teachers and such) think I am gay, simply because I have a deep, yet feminine voice. So even though I am entirely straight, hanging out with my gay friends doesn't help the situation. Also, I've bad experiences, many of my Gay friends hit on me, it's caused many fights. But I'm nowhere near homophobia, but a little bit close I guess, I've ended many friendships when I found out they were Gay, because I felt extremely uncomfortable.

 

 

 

It is by implication in the first amendment, namely the establishment clause and free exercise clause which together give you 'seperation of church and state'.

[dusqi]

What depresses me about this debate, is how people posting here from groups who are discriminated against or were recently discriminated against (Muslims, blacks, women, Mormons, etc.) are happy to discriminate against homosexuals. Apparently the reason that the anti-homosexual marriage laws passed in some of the US states in the recent election was because black people had a high turnout, and a high proportion of them voted for it.

 

 

 

Surely it's not a stretch of the imagination to realise that discrimination against homosexuals is just like discrimination against their group. But no, when it comes down to it they are just self-interested and don't have any higher morals or empathy at all. As soon as their group is OK, they turn around and beat down the next group - the oppressed becomes the oppressor.

 

 

 

I find that to be a big shame, and a slur on human nature.

[llcoolguy972]

In Germany they first came for the Communists,

 

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

 

 

 

Then they came for the Jews,

 

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

 

 

 

Then they came for the trade unionists,

 

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

 

 

 

Then they came for the Catholics,

 

and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

 

 

 

Then they came for me

 

and by that time no one was left to speak up.

 

I think people need to realize that they aren't fighting for/against gay marriage; it's essentially equality, not just for gays, but for everyone. When they say gays shouldn't be able to marry they're saying interracial couples shouldn't be allowed to marry, that whites and blacks should be segregated, that one group is better (and therefore deserves more rights) than another. It'll be a beautiful day when humanity realizes this.

[The Observer]

Just throwing it out there: behind most anger is fear.

[magekillr]

What depresses me about this debate, is how people posting here from groups who are discriminated against or were recently discriminated against (Muslims, blacks, women, Mormons, etc.) are happy to discriminate against homosexuals. Apparently the reason that the anti-homosexual marriage laws passed in some of the US states in the recent election was because black people had a high turnout, and a high proportion of them voted for it.

 

 

 

Surely it's not a stretch of the imagination to realise that discrimination against homosexuals is just like discrimination against their group. But no, when it comes down to it they are just self-interested and don't have any higher morals or empathy at all. As soon as their group is OK, they turn around and beat down the next group - the oppressed becomes the oppressor.

 

 

 

I find that to be a big shame, and a slur on human nature.

 

 

 

While a large percentage of blacks did vote for Prop 8, more whites still vote in favor of it. Secondly, there was a lot of lying about it from Mormon groups; such as your pastor will go to jail if he says that homosexuality is wrong in church. They also made it seem like we would be teaching different "gay things" in schools: they tried making it an education issue instead. All and all, a lot of propaganda to fool uneducated people.

 

 

 

Yes on 8 spent much time in black neighborhoods doing serious door-to-door outreach. No on 8 did not.

 

 

 

Also, there have been stories about homosexuals committing hate crimes against blacks because of this statistic...

[NoMoreDead]

 

As too Cheeseme666, I agree with you. However, everyone at school (except my friends and teachers and such) think I am gay, simply because I have a deep, yet feminine voice. So even though I am entirely straight, hanging out with my gay friends doesn't help the situation. Also, I've bad experiences, many of my Gay friends hit on me, it's caused many fights. But I'm nowhere near homophobia, but a little bit close I guess, I've ended many friendships when I found out they were Gay, because I felt extremely uncomfortable.

 

 

 

Blatant contradiction?

 

 

 

Anyway, I don't think that African Americans in California can EVER complain about being opressed again for the blatant disrespect the showed towards the gays. You think of all races the blacks would have voted for equal rights.

 

 

 

"All men are created equal" should be changed to "All men are created equal except Indians, women, gays, and pretty much everyone else in the minority, or anyone else who practices a lifestyle which religion doesn't approve of." I suppose that doesn't roll off the tounge as well though, huh?

 

 

 

Why is it that we're scared of something that's different?

 

 

 

PS: Saru, Your friends diserve better.

[magekillr]

* The elderly (65+)

 

* Republicans

 

* Conservatives

 

* People who decided for whom to vote in October (but not within the week before the election)

 

* People who were contacted by the McCain campaign

 

* Protestants

 

* Catholics

 

* White Protestants

 

* Those who attend church weekly

 

* Married people

 

* People with children under 18

 

* Gun owners

 

* Bush voters

 

* Offshore drilling supporters

 

* People who are afraid of a terrorist attack

 

* People who thought their family finances were better now than 4 years ago

 

* Supporters of the war against Iraq

 

* People who didn't care about the age of the candidates

 

* Anti-choicers

 

* People who are from the "Inland/Valley" region of California

 

* McCain voters

 

 

 

These groups voted in favor of Prop 8 with more than 60%.

[jackattack]

Blacks, Tongans, and I think Filipinos voted more than 70% for it. Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

 

 

 

EDIT: Woops. Didn't read any of the above stuff except for the last one. And education was an issue. The teachers union had already said that parents wouldn't be able to pull their kids out from learning about gay marriage and one school took kids on a field trip to a lesbian wedding.

[magekillr]

Good article:

 

 

 

Shameful is the only word to describe the vote on Proposition 8, which amended California's Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. In the blink of an eye, marriage for same-sex couples has gone from legal to illegal, leaving 18,000 same-sex couples in marriage limbo. What just happened? We now know that 52 percent of the electorate supported the ban on same-sex marriage, and that men and women supported it in equal numbers. Because of our small numbers - African Americans accounted for 9 percent of the yes on Prop. 8 vote, and 4 percent of the no on Prop. 8 vote - we did not determine the Prop. 8 outcome. The shocker was that a whopping 70 percent of African American voters and 53 percent of Latinos threw their support to the ban.

 

 

 

As an African American lesbian who has devoted her life to advocating for the civil rights of all, and especially for the black community, I am angry, and I feel betrayed. Given African Americans' long and tortured history of fighting against discrimination and exclusion, it never occurred to me that black folks might vote to oppress others in exactly the same way. But that's just what they did. And with that vote, African Americans have now placed the issue of black homophobia, long an elephant in the room, front and center. Yet, for me, this blacklash is old news.

 

 

 

I have been witness to sermons in which black ministers have preached about the ravages wrought by homosexuality. And I have sat with black congregants who prayed for the deliverance of homosexuals from their perverse affliction. For these black churchgoers, homosexuality is not a civil-rights issue; to the contrary, for them, homosexuality is all about behavior - sinful sexual behavior in which people like me choose to engage.

 

 

 

Actually, I did not engage in this behavior for many years. Growing up, I attended public schools, where I excelled, earning straight A's and lots of awards. I went to college, then to law school, opened a law practice in a black community, became a law school administrator, and then went on to a successful career on the bench. Along the way, I got married and had two wonderful daughters. I was perfect. And then one fine day, as these black voters would have it, I chose to simply throw it all away - to become an Untouchable? Ridiculous. I did not choose to be gay anymore than I chose to be black.

 

 

 

In the arena of civil rights, the black church has always been a beacon of enlightenment. On Nov. 4, 2008, some black churches became bastions of benightedness. I am convinced that no amount of talking, explaining or pleading - and no amount of money - will ever persuade those African Americans, and others similarly minded who opposed same-sex marriage on religious grounds, to change their views. Reason in the face of religious bigotry is impotent. Although some may disagree, I believe that the No on Prop. 8 campaign could not have done anything more to reach those voters.

 

 

 

That said, I am entirely convinced that same-sex marriage will again be legalized in California, the 52 percent vote notwithstanding. Just as the courts overrode the will of the majority in ordering desegregation of public schools and public accommodations, and just as the courts ignored the demands of the electorate by opening voting to people of color and the right to marry to mixed-race couples, so, too, will the courts, in defiance of the majority, however slim, reopen the doors of marriage to the gay community. The Sturm und Drang with which society greeted these courageous and controversial court rulings was ultimately replaced by acceptance. I predict that same-sex marriage will follow the same path. After all, 18,000 couples already have wed and the world has not stopped turning. On May 15, 2008, the California Supreme Court boldly bestowed upon gay couples the right to marry. I have no doubt that these brave justices will do it again.

 

 

 

Walter White, past executive secretary of the NAACP, a black man who was so light- skinned that he was always mistaken for white, famously wrote, "I am white and I am black, and know that there is no difference. Each casts a shadow, and all shadows are black." I am black and I am gay, and I know the same.

 

 

 

LaDoris H. Cordell, a retired Superior Court judge, is a special counselor for campus relations to the president of Stanford University.

 

 

 

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 141P46.DTL

[jackattack]

The courts can't overturn it. It was a constitutional amendment. And I'm shocked that is was only 53% of latinos. I would have expected 60% at least. And if you're trying to say that it was McCain voters who were the only ones against it think about who ran on a ticket against gay marriage. And think about who, as Governor, vetoed a bill to take away gay rights.

[Shinjula]

I think that homosexuality is all about genetics and mental problems. I'm saying that I don't think that a person born with the proper genetics and raised without anything that causes problems to his/her mental health will become homosexual. And what I'm saying about genetics is some boys are born with higher levels of female hormones and vice-versa with girls. I think that the second reason people are homosexual is because of psychological problems that they've experienced growing up.

 

 

 

Wahey, yet another belief held by people who choose to discrimminate which has been shown to be completely unfounded by science, seriously many research projects have been done which show this is totally false. Its nothing to do with hormones and nothing to do with dysfunctional genetics.

 

 

 

The result which comes across from the surveys is that its partly genetic, and in that case just a very complicated set of switches, rather than any sort of dysfunction and partly its environment, and there is most likely to be that in repressive cultures it manifests less because people are scared to come out. In a very very high proportion of cases where it does get repressed it causes great pychological scars and much difficult and a high amount of depression and anxiety disorders.

[Shinjula]

Also, I've bad experiences, many of my Gay friends hit on me, it's caused many fights.

 

 

 

Thats a bit of a shame, I would encourage you to look past the uncomfortable feelings and use the experience to increase your own understanding.

 

 

 

The feelings of discomfort should give you a good window into how women feel when chatted up by someone they arent at all attracted to. Inappropriate attention from men is something women often find very difficult to deal with because explaining it to men is often very challenging as most men can't imagine getting discomfort from being hit on by a woman, we have quite a different sexual makeup, and most of us are flattered by the attention even if we don't actually want to go out with them.

 

 

 

The feelings you are getting, being hit on by a guy are a good mirror for the way women feel, please try to remember this.

 

 

 

Also remember negative feelings are not gods way of telling you things are evil, they are there to help you understand the world around you.

[dutchstyle]

I honestly don't care about them, its their way of thinking they can't help it k?

 

just the ones infecting others with HIV just for sex and all and the ones who bother me I hate