Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[J a m e s]

And to all Christians who think homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says so: Did you know that Christians divorce at a far higher rate than atheists?

 

Yes, but as we all know, Atheists are more likely to commit suicide as a result of a divorce, stupid. Just accept marriage and homosexuality is wrong 'coz God says so. It makes perfect sense. If you say otherwise, you're just persecuting people who follow God.

 

 

 

It doesn't make sense at all. God, according to Christians, gave us free will for a reason. Just because your fairy tale God tells you to believe something doesn't mean a large sector of the human population should suffer discrimination.

 

 

 

Oh, and yes, I am persecuting people for believing in God. A real all-loving God wouldn't have created gay people who are automatically guarenteed to eternity in hell.

 

 

 

I think you need to take your sarcasm meter in for some repairs.

 

 

 

Unbiased proof that atheists get divorced less than Christians. THIS WAS DONE BY AN EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION. http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfami ... ivorce.htm

 

 

 

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1e2pTCIuU

 

 

 

I can back up what I say.

[Utopianflame]

Ginger warrior was being sarcastic, thats why the link he posted was from Conservapedia instead of anywhere slightly grounded in reality.

[J a m e s]

Ginger warrior was being sarcastic, thats why the link he posted was from Conservapedia instead of anywhere slightly grounded in reality.

 

 

 

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Ginger warrior was being sarcastic, thats why the link he posted was from Conservapedia instead of anywhere slightly grounded in reality.

 

 

 

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said.

 

Actually, no I wasn't. I was mocking the [developmentally delayed]ed forms of justification some Christians on this thread use for their views. The fact that Sly hasn't come up with one valid reason why homosexuals can't be married yet is evidential. All he's doing is persisting they don't have that right (in spite of contradictory Supreme Court rulings, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights), while failing to put forward even a single strong argument against homosexual marriage.

 

 

 

In fact, implicitly what he's arguing is that because marriage is a social institution, and homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, homosexuals are detrimental to society.

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, have plenty of justification for saying they can be married.

 

 

 

See the point?

[venomai]

It's something invented by society and therefore defined by society. Marriage is a term, or definition, or state, or whatever term you want to use for the institution, which is conferred by some ceremony recognized as legitimate in the society. And since society defines what marriage is, then you must accept the definition of that society, otherwise marriage is no longer a social construct.

 

Life, liberty, freedom, security, voting -- these are all concepts invented and defined by society, yet they continue to be seen as natural or legal rights in (most) free societies.

 

 

 

Rights evolve over time, adapting to major changes in society. 20th and 19th century changes in racial and gender roles in the West is an example of this.

 

 

 

You cannot cry "discrimination" because all laws are "discriminatory" (1) (Key point!!!), and are enacted as well as enforced by that society based on a consensus of what best benefits that society (2). Gays are "discriminated" against the same way anyone who does not agree with a law is "discriminated" against, whether it be someone wanting to drive 70 mph in a 40 mph zone (Isn't it their right to go as fast as they want where and when they want?) or a person wanting to be a murderer (Isn't it their right to do what they want, how they want, to whomever they want?). (3)

 

(1) All laws discriminate against criminals, sure. But that doesn't mean we cannot point out, say, racial and gender discrimination in the law/society.

 

 

 

(2) Society changes. The erradication of racial and gender discrimination is an example of this change in society.

 

 

 

(3) The right to murder and violate traffic regulations are neither recognized by society nor the legal system. Maybe these are recognized as rights in la-la land, but they are certainly not rights in any industrialized society.

[user1991]

In a couple hundred years when we have an equal society, the Christians should know that they played absolutely NO part in it.

[warren211]

These christians who persecute gays are giving the rest of us Christians a bad name. I am catholic. I believe homosexuality is wrong. What am I going to do about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Them being gay doesn't affect MY chances of going to heaven, does it? The gay-crusaders always use Bible references to show that being gay is wrong. In the words of Jesus himself, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". We think being gay is wrong, then we can conclude that being gay is a sin. So? We're sinners too. NOBODY should ever be persecuted for their life choices that don't affect anyone else. Being gay doesn't affect innocent people unless you flirt with someone unwilling, and even straight people do that. Any Christian who pursecutes gays is a hypocrite. Let's worry about our OWN chances of heaven instead of forcing them to change.

[J a m e s]

Ginger warrior was being sarcastic, thats why the link he posted was from Conservapedia instead of anywhere slightly grounded in reality.

 

 

 

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said.

 

Actually, no I wasn't. I was mocking the [developmentally delayed] forms of justification some Christians on this thread use for their views. The fact that Sly hasn't come up with one valid reason why homosexuals can't be married yet is evidential. All he's doing is persisting they don't have that right (in spite of contradictory Supreme Court rulings, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights), while failing to put forward even a single strong argument against homosexual marriage.

 

 

 

In fact, implicitly what he's arguing is that because marriage is a social institution, and homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, homosexuals are detrimental to society.

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, have plenty of justification for saying they can be married.

 

 

 

See the point?

 

 

 

Yes, thank you. Sorry for misinterpreting what you said.

 

 

 

Also, warren211 -- despite my disagreeing with you on the morality of homosexuality -- I agree with you on the persecution issue.

 

 

 

However, many a Christian would argue that with with gay marriage being legalized, a lot more people would see being homosexual as not a bad thing anymore. According to a Christian, they would "choose" to be gay more often. (I am totally against the belief that someone "chooses" to like girls or boys).

[anonymous1234]

Ginger warrior was being sarcastic, thats why the link he posted was from Conservapedia instead of anywhere slightly grounded in reality.

 

 

 

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said.

 

Actually, no I wasn't. I was mocking the [developmentally delayed] forms of justification some Christians on this thread use for their views. The fact that Sly hasn't come up with one valid reason why homosexuals can't be married yet is evidential. All he's doing is persisting they don't have that right (in spite of contradictory Supreme Court rulings, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights), while failing to put forward even a single strong argument against homosexual marriage.

 

 

 

In fact, implicitly what he's arguing is that because marriage is a social institution, and homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, homosexuals are detrimental to society.

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, have plenty of justification for saying they can be married.

 

 

 

See the point?

 

 

 

Yes, thank you. Sorry for misinterpreting what you said.

 

 

 

Also, warren211 -- despite my disagreeing with you on the morality of homosexuality -- I agree with you on the persecution issue.

 

 

 

However, many a Christian would argue that with with gay marriage being legalized, a lot more people would see being homosexual as not a bad thing anymore. According to a Christian, they would "choose" to be gay more often. (I am totally against the belief that someone "chooses" to like girls or boys).

Fact: 50% of the girls in my school are homosexual. Another fact: 99% of them aren't actually lesbians. It's really sad

[BLaSpHeMy]

My personal opinion is that its wrong

 

As a Muslim (no im not a terrorist -.- ) my beliefs tell me its wrong so thats jus what i follow

 

But i know many homosexuals and i get on fine with them

[user1991]

My personal opinion is that its wrong

 

As a Muslim (no im not a terrorist -.- ) my beliefs tell me its wrong so thats jus what i follow

 

But i know many homosexuals and i get on fine with them

 

 

 

The Koran also says "kill the infidels".

 

 

 

Why aren't you doing that?

[cheese666me]

It is wrong. It is not a choice.

 

 

 

Don't listen to me, Im very confused atm

[llcoolguy972]

[hide=]

Ginger warrior was being sarcastic, thats why the link he posted was from Conservapedia instead of anywhere slightly grounded in reality.

 

 

 

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said.

 

Actually, no I wasn't. I was mocking the [developmentally delayed] forms of justification some Christians on this thread use for their views. The fact that Sly hasn't come up with one valid reason why homosexuals can't be married yet is evidential. All he's doing is persisting they don't have that right (in spite of contradictory Supreme Court rulings, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights), while failing to put forward even a single strong argument against homosexual marriage.

 

 

 

In fact, implicitly what he's arguing is that because marriage is a social institution, and homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, homosexuals are detrimental to society.

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, have plenty of justification for saying they can be married.

 

 

 

See the point?

 

 

 

Yes, thank you. Sorry for misinterpreting what you said.

 

 

 

Also, warren211 -- despite my disagreeing with you on the morality of homosexuality -- I agree with you on the persecution issue.

 

 

 

However, many a Christian would argue that with with gay marriage being legalized, a lot more people would see being homosexual as not a bad thing anymore. According to a Christian, they would "choose" to be gay more often. (I am totally against the belief that someone "chooses" to like girls or boys).

[/hide] Fact: 50% of the girls in my school are homosexual. Another fact: 99% of them aren't actually [bleep]. It's really sad

 

While I can't speak for the girls at your school, whether they're doing that for attention or whatever, but determining one's sexuality is a lot more difficult for girls. It's simple for guys; they're either turned on by girls or guys, but girls become aroused by gay or straight sex, regardless of their orientation. Couple that with being a teen and it can lead to a very confusing time.

[J a m e s]

[hide=]

Ginger warrior was being sarcastic, thats why the link he posted was from Conservapedia instead of anywhere slightly grounded in reality.

 

 

 

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said.

 

Actually, no I wasn't. I was mocking the [developmentally delayed] forms of justification some Christians on this thread use for their views. The fact that Sly hasn't come up with one valid reason why homosexuals can't be married yet is evidential. All he's doing is persisting they don't have that right (in spite of contradictory Supreme Court rulings, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights), while failing to put forward even a single strong argument against homosexual marriage.

 

 

 

In fact, implicitly what he's arguing is that because marriage is a social institution, and homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, homosexuals are detrimental to society.

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, have plenty of justification for saying they can be married.

 

 

 

See the point?

 

 

 

Yes, thank you. Sorry for misinterpreting what you said.

 

 

 

Also, warren211 -- despite my disagreeing with you on the morality of homosexuality -- I agree with you on the persecution issue.

 

 

 

However, many a Christian would argue that with with gay marriage being legalized, a lot more people would see being homosexual as not a bad thing anymore. According to a Christian, they would "choose" to be gay more often. (I am totally against the belief that someone "chooses" to like girls or boys).

[/hide] Fact: 50% of the girls in my school are homosexual. Another fact: 99% of them aren't actually [bleep]. It's really sad

 

While I can't speak for the girls at your school, whether they're doing that for attention or whatever, but determining one's sexuality is a lot more difficult for girls. It's simple for guys; they're either turned on by girls or guys, but girls become aroused by gay or straight sex, regardless of their orientation. Couple that with being a teen and it can lead to a very confusing time.

 

 

 

Lol, really? I didn't know that. I don't believe it tbh. You're turned on by all sex?

[llcoolguy972]

[hide=]

Ginger warrior was being sarcastic, thats why the link he posted was from Conservapedia instead of anywhere slightly grounded in reality.

 

 

 

I know, but it was fairly obvious he was mocking what I said.

 

Actually, no I wasn't. I was mocking the [developmentally delayed] forms of justification some Christians on this thread use for their views. The fact that Sly hasn't come up with one valid reason why homosexuals can't be married yet is evidential. All he's doing is persisting they don't have that right (in spite of contradictory Supreme Court rulings, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights), while failing to put forward even a single strong argument against homosexual marriage.

 

 

 

In fact, implicitly what he's arguing is that because marriage is a social institution, and homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, homosexuals are detrimental to society.

 

 

 

You, on the other hand, have plenty of justification for saying they can be married.

 

 

 

See the point?

 

 

 

Yes, thank you. Sorry for misinterpreting what you said.

 

 

 

Also, warren211 -- despite my disagreeing with you on the morality of homosexuality -- I agree with you on the persecution issue.

 

 

 

However, many a Christian would argue that with with gay marriage being legalized, a lot more people would see being homosexual as not a bad thing anymore. According to a Christian, they would "choose" to be gay more often. (I am totally against the belief that someone "chooses" to like girls or boys).

[/hide] Fact: 50% of the girls in my school are homosexual. Another fact: 99% of them aren't actually [bleep]. It's really sad

 

While I can't speak for the girls at your school, whether they're doing that for attention or whatever, but determining one's sexuality is a lot more difficult for girls. It's simple for guys; they're either turned on by girls or guys, but girls become aroused by gay or straight sex, regardless of their orientation. Couple that with being a teen and it can lead to a very confusing time.

 

 

 

Lol, really? I didn't know that. I don't believe it tbh. You're turned on by all sex?

 

I'm a guy, so I'm only going on articles that I've read. I think this is where I read it, at least it has the same information.

[Ginger_Warrior]

It utterly depends on the person. I talked to two friends once (both were girls) about gay porn. One of the things they noted was that lesbianism turns on most guys, but the thought of two homosexual men, even if they were Johnny Depp and George Clooney, didn't interest them in the slightest.

 

 

 

If we're talking about whether homosexuality turns one gender on more than the other, it's without doubt guys who get more turned on by [two girls] (why is this word censored btw? Surely homosexuality isn't so much of a taboo subject on Tip.It).

[llcoolguy972]

It utterly depends on the person. I talked to two friends once (both were girls) about gay porn. One of the things they noted was that lesbianism turns on most guys, but the thought of two homosexual men, even if they were Johnny Depp and George Clooney, didn't interest them in the slightest.

 

 

 

If we're talking about whether homosexuality turns one gender on more than the other, it's without doubt guys who get more turned on by [two girls] (why is this word censored btw? Surely homosexuality isn't so much of a taboo subject on Tip.It).

 

Oh, of course; I probably should've mentioned that it does really depend on the person. That study made things seem a bit more black and white than they actually are.

[J a m e s]

I don't know any straight guys that aren't extremely turned on by lesbians. Take the guy out and it's twice as hawt for me. :thumbup:

 

 

 

I wanna know what most straight girls think of gay porn. Is it even hawter or do you just find it weird? From ginger's post it would seem they find it weird. I want to hear it first-hand here though.

[folmer_veeman]

These christians who persecute gays are giving the rest of us Christians a bad name. I am catholic. I believe homosexuality is wrong. What am I going to do about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Them being gay doesn't affect MY chances of going to heaven, does it? The gay-crusaders always use Bible references to show that being gay is wrong. In the words of Jesus himself, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". We think being gay is wrong, then we can conclude that being gay is a sin. So? We're sinners too. NOBODY should ever be persecuted for their life choices that don't affect anyone else. Being gay doesn't affect innocent people unless you flirt with someone unwilling, and even straight people do that. Any Christian who pursecutes gays is a hypocrite. Let's worry about our OWN chances of heaven instead of forcing them to change.

 

 

 

exactly

[Jaziek]

It utterly depends on the person. I talked to two friends once (both were girls) about gay porn. One of the things they noted was that lesbianism turns on most guys, but the thought of two homosexual men, even if they were Johnny Depp and George Clooney, didn't interest them in the slightest.

 

 

 

 

Those LIARS. I know at leat 5 girls that have been salivating over that very scenario during conversations with me.

[BLaSpHeMy]

My personal opinion is that its wrong

 

As a Muslim (no im not a terrorist -.- ) my beliefs tell me its wrong so thats jus what i follow

 

But i know many homosexuals and i get on fine with them

 

 

 

The Koran also says "kill the infidels".

 

 

 

Why aren't you doing that?

 

 

 

 

 

Ahhh have you ever read the quran?

 

The Qur'an is quite clear: if non-Muslims do not show hostility towards the Muslims, then they are not to be harmed

 

So what you see on TV that muslims blowing up this and that...is WRONG

[Big_Stingman]

My personal opinion is that its wrong

 

As a Muslim (no im not a terrorist -.- ) my beliefs tell me its wrong so thats jus what i follow

 

But i know many homosexuals and i get on fine with them

 

 

 

The Koran also says "kill the infidels".

 

 

 

Why aren't you doing that?

 

 

 

 

 

Ahhh have you ever read the quran?

 

The Qur'an is quite clear: if non-Muslims do not show hostility towards the Muslims, then they are not to be harmed

 

So what you see on TV that muslims blowing up this and that...is WRONG

 

 

 

Yeah I'm not Muslim, but I really find it rude how the world treats them these days. Several of my my close friends are Muslim, and it always bugs me when they tell me that the other day they were chosen for a "random selection" while boarding a plane... -.-

 

 

 

OT:Personally, I think being Homosexual is wrong. I am Mormon, and that is my belief. Say what you want, but I will always think it is wrong.

[venomai]

Personally, I think being Homosexual is wrong. I am Mormon, and that is my belief. Say what you want, but I will always think it is wrong.

 

 

 

My personal opinion is that its wrong. As a Muslim ... my beliefs tell me its wrong so thats jus what i follow

 

 

 

Two fine examples of people who refuse to think for themselves. A society with such restricting religious ideals is not one which will progress very far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Religion is the opium of the masses

 

Marx

[Sly_Wizard]

Personally, I think being Homosexual is wrong. I am Mormon, and that is my belief. Say what you want, but I will always think it is wrong.

 

 

 

My personal opinion is that its wrong. As a Muslim ... my beliefs tell me its wrong so thats jus what i follow

 

 

 

Two fine examples of people who refuse to think for themselves. A society with such restricting religious ideals is not one which will progress very far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Religion is the opium of the masses

 

Marx

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

Holding to one's convictions does not mean you are unable to think for yourself.

 

 

 

Funnily enough... Europe isn't restricted by an "religious ideals", but they're not progressing very far. At all ;)

[Big_Stingman]

Personally, I think being Homosexual is wrong. I am Mormon, and that is my belief. Say what you want, but I will always think it is wrong.

 

 

 

My personal opinion is that its wrong. As a Muslim ... my beliefs tell me its wrong so thats jus what i follow

 

 

 

Two fine examples of people who refuse to think for themselves. A society with such restricting religious ideals is not one which will progress very far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Religion is the opium of the masses

 

Marx

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it was how I was brought up. Also, I am able to think for myself. I CHOOSE to be Mormon, and CHOOSE to believe that being homosexual is wrong. You don't have to believe me, as I just don't really care if you do or don't.