Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[assassin_696]

To me homosexuality is completely disgusting and stupid. (However I don't mind if it's girls lol :lol: ) But yeah, I hate saying "not that it's wrong or anything" after I make some comment about it. It's like you have to say that so the homosexuals and supporters won't get offended. :roll: But seriously, especially people in jail...do those people not remember what it's like to be a guy? You are a human being, how can you possibly like to do stuff to other guys in jail. It's all stupid to me. And famous people as well, like George Michaels who sung that Faith song. Why is he even homosexual? A guy like that could get almost any girl he wanted... :wall:

 

 

 

However like the above people said, amazingly they are some of the nicest people ever. (Excluding jail) Maybe this goes along the lines of being a nice guy will never get you a girl. :? Which is like 100% true.

 

 

 

As for the scientist theories...scientists are all morons. They can't prove any of the theories they have and rather than believe in religion, they decide to spend billions of dollars comming up with theories to find a different way the universe was created. I don't want this to turn into a thread about religion, but how can you seriously believe that the universe created itself? -.- Yeah, I'm sure it was all just there and appeared one day for no reason at all...

 

 

 

How old are you?

[Barihawk]

To me homosexuality is completely disgusting and stupid. (However I don't mind if it's girls lol :lol: )

 

Get the [bleep] off TIF.

 

 

 

What's wrong with people expressing there thoughts? I though that is one of the reason why this thread was made, to see different people opinions and debate on it.

 

 

 

But alas, this is the internet! There's only one bandwagon and if you fall behind you get shot.

 

 

 

Seriously, I am sick of the lack of ability to express one's opinions on certain subjects on the internet. People are free to discuss their pornography viewing habits, use of illegal substances, or any number of subjects but if someone has a differing opinion to the above or another "popular" view they are instantly labelled as "wrong," "backwards," or ridiculed.

 

 

 

The entire forum needs an education in being open minded. To have an open mind, you need to rationally look at anything without allowing your emotions or personal opinions to get in the way. To put yourselves in that person's shoes before you speak.

 

 

 

EDIT: And by rational I mean the actual word, not what it seems to have come to mean today. Rational as in excluding your own opinions for just a moment for careful analysis.

[Orpheus]

To me homosexuality is completely disgusting and stupid. (However I don't mind if it's girls lol :lol: )

 

Get the [bleep] off TIF.

 

 

 

What's wrong with people expressing there thoughts? I though that is one of the reason why this thread was made, to see different people opinions and debate on it.

 

 

 

But alas, this is the internet! There's only one bandwagon and if you fall behind you get shot.

 

 

 

Seriously, I am sick of the lack of ability to express one's opinions on certain subjects on the internet. People are free to discuss their pornography viewing habits, use of illegal substances, or any number of subjects but if someone has a differing opinion to the above or another "popular" view they are instantly labelled as "wrong," "backwards," or ridiculed.

 

 

 

The entire forum needs an education in being open minded. To have an open mind, you need to rationally look at anything without allowing your emotions or personal opinions to get in the way. To put yourselves in that person's shoes before you speak.

 

 

 

EDIT: And by rational I mean the actual word, not what it seems to have come to mean today. Rational as in excluding your own opinions for just a moment for careful analysis.

 

 

 

Too bad ignorance is bliss, and some simply won't change.

[Giordano]

How the hell can you disapprove of male homosexuality but not woman homosexuality? That's just both hypocrisy and ignorance. Hell his whole post is idiotic, like Assassin asked, how old are you?

 

 

 

do those people not remember what it's like to be a guy? You are a human being, how can you possibly like to do stuff to other guys in jail. It's all stupid to me. And famous people as well, like George Michaels who sung that Faith song. Why is he even homosexual? A guy like that could get almost any girl he wanted... :wall:

 

All he talks about is from the perspective of a teenager whom girls surround his every thought. I'm sick and tired of people not accepting male homosexuality but accepting female homosexuality. Its only to satisfy themselves. I see lots of dual-girl couples making out and such and no body says a word. When two guys do that, BAM, its suddenly bad and should be stopped. "Intolerance is the only tolerance that should be intolerated." remember that guys. Remember that.

[ThurinEthir]

 

As for the scientist theories...scientists are all morons. They can't prove any of the theories they have and rather than believe in religion, they decide to spend billions of dollars comming up with theories to find a different way the universe was created. I don't want this to turn into a thread about religion, but how can you seriously believe that the universe created itself? -.- Yeah, I'm sure it was all just there and appeared one day for no reason at all...

 

...Wow. I actually think you're just as funny as that Senajitkaushik guy.

[Orpheus]

How the hell can you disapprove of male homosexuality but not woman homosexuality? That's just both hypocrisy and ignorance. Hell his whole post is idiotic, like Assassin asked, how old are you?

 

 

 

do those people not remember what it's like to be a guy? You are a human being, how can you possibly like to do stuff to other guys in jail. It's all stupid to me. And famous people as well, like George Michaels who sung that Faith song. Why is he even homosexual? A guy like that could get almost any girl he wanted... :wall:

 

All he talks about is from the perspective of a teenager whom girls surround his every thought. I'm sick and tired of people not accepting male homosexuality but accepting female homosexuality. Its only to satisfy themselves. I see lots of dual-girl couples making out and such and no body says a word. When two guys do that, BAM, its suddenly bad and should be stopped. "Intolerance is the only tolerance that should be intolerated." remember that guys. Remember that.

 

 

 

To me homosexuality is completely disgusting and stupid. (However I don't mind if it's girls lol :lol: )

 

Get the [bleep] off TIF.

 

 

 

I still think both things you said are contradictory. Tell me this much though, why is this so? Why would we put women as just fine while guys are automatically chastised for it? It's a social stigma, albeit ignorant. This isn't a perfect society, since if that was so, we would put both women and men equally, but that just simply won't happen, with the alpha-male attitude and all.

[Giordano]

How the hell can you disapprove of male homosexuality but not woman homosexuality? That's just both hypocrisy and ignorance. Hell his whole post is idiotic, like Assassin asked, how old are you?

 

 

 

do those people not remember what it's like to be a guy? You are a human being, how can you possibly like to do stuff to other guys in jail. It's all stupid to me. And famous people as well, like George Michaels who sung that Faith song. Why is he even homosexual? A guy like that could get almost any girl he wanted... :wall:

 

All he talks about is from the perspective of a teenager whom girls surround his every thought. I'm sick and tired of people not accepting male homosexuality but accepting female homosexuality. Its only to satisfy themselves. I see lots of dual-girl couples making out and such and no body says a word. When two guys do that, BAM, its suddenly bad and should be stopped. "Intolerance is the only tolerance that should be intolerated." remember that guys. Remember that.

 

 

 

To me homosexuality is completely disgusting and stupid. (However I don't mind if it's girls lol :lol: )

 

Get the [bleep] off TIF.

 

 

 

I still think both things you said are contradictory. Tell me this much though, why is this so? Why would we put women as just fine while guys are automatically chastised for it? It's a social stigma, albeit ignorant. This isn't a perfect society, since if that was so, we would put both women and men equally, but that just simply won't happen, with the alpha-male attitude and all.

 

Exactly, this is not a perfect society so we must change it instead of just saying "oh its never gonna change...".

[Orpheus]

How the hell can you disapprove of male homosexuality but not woman homosexuality? That's just both hypocrisy and ignorance. Hell his whole post is idiotic, like Assassin asked, how old are you?

 

 

 

do those people not remember what it's like to be a guy? You are a human being, how can you possibly like to do stuff to other guys in jail. It's all stupid to me. And famous people as well, like George Michaels who sung that Faith song. Why is he even homosexual? A guy like that could get almost any girl he wanted... :wall:

 

All he talks about is from the perspective of a teenager whom girls surround his every thought. I'm sick and tired of people not accepting male homosexuality but accepting female homosexuality. Its only to satisfy themselves. I see lots of dual-girl couples making out and such and no body says a word. When two guys do that, BAM, its suddenly bad and should be stopped. "Intolerance is the only tolerance that should be intolerated." remember that guys. Remember that.

 

 

 

To me homosexuality is completely disgusting and stupid. (However I don't mind if it's girls lol :lol: )

 

Get the [bleep] off TIF.

 

 

 

I still think both things you said are contradictory. Tell me this much though, why is this so? Why would we put women as just fine while guys are automatically chastised for it? It's a social stigma, albeit ignorant. This isn't a perfect society, since if that was so, we would put both women and men equally, but that just simply won't happen, with the alpha-male attitude and all.

 

Exactly, this is not a perfect society so we must change it instead of just saying "oh its never gonna change...".

 

Things can be changed, but as for this current generation, you really can't do much. People are simply stubborn. The minds of the young can be taught to be intolerant of ignorance, and only then will society change, by changing the children. It would be a slow, but steady change that would change society in one fell swoop.

[Giordano]

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How the hell can you disapprove of male homosexuality but not woman homosexuality? That's just both hypocrisy and ignorance. Hell his whole post is idiotic, like Assassin asked, how old are you?

 

 

 

do those people not remember what it's like to be a guy? You are a human being, how can you possibly like to do stuff to other guys in jail. It's all stupid to me. And famous people as well, like George Michaels who sung that Faith song. Why is he even homosexual? A guy like that could get almost any girl he wanted... :wall:

 

All he talks about is from the perspective of a teenager whom girls surround his every thought. I'm sick and tired of people not accepting male homosexuality but accepting female homosexuality. Its only to satisfy themselves. I see lots of dual-girl couples making out and such and no body says a word. When two guys do that, BAM, its suddenly bad and should be stopped. "Intolerance is the only tolerance that should be intolerated." remember that guys. Remember that.

 

 

 

To me homosexuality is completely disgusting and stupid. (However I don't mind if it's girls lol :lol: )

 

Get the [bleep] off TIF.

 

 

 

I still think both things you said are contradictory. Tell me this much though, why is this so? Why would we put women as just fine while guys are automatically chastised for it? It's a social stigma, albeit ignorant. This isn't a perfect society, since if that was so, we would put both women and men equally, but that just simply won't happen, with the alpha-male attitude and all.

 

Exactly, this is not a perfect society so we must change it instead of just saying "oh its never gonna change...".

 

Things can be changed, but as for this current generation, you really can't do much. People are simply stubborn. The minds of the young can be taught to be intolerant of ignorance, and only then will society change, by changing the children. It would be a slow, but steady change that would change society in one fell swoop.

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With that mindset, things are never going to be changed. The next generation will have it, then the next, and the next, and so on.

[Orpheus]

I live in the "bible belt", or the south. Just about everyone here is a homophobe. This issue still extends far beyond that. You don't have a damn clue how horrible people are here, which is why I think some people will never change. One thing troubles me though as of late: how the presidential election and this issue are related.

 

 

 

Think about it, consider who gay people would vote for, McCain, who is conservative and wouldn't help them, or Obama, who would push for equality regarding this issue. It is a sign, that we are changing somewhat, albeit slowly. Down here, I don't recall any state voting for Obama completely. These conservatives also tend to be homophobes. This obviously won't apply to each one of them, but people just simply won't listen. Which is why I want Barihawk's plan to be put into action, to convince people that they need to cast aside their opinion to just think about it for one damn moment.

[warri0r45]

Seriously, I am sick of the lack of ability to express one's opinions on certain subjects on the internet. People are free to discuss their pornography viewing habits, use of illegal substances, or any number of subjects but if someone has a differing opinion to the above or another "popular" view they are instantly labelled as "wrong," "backwards," or ridiculed.

 

 

 

What "lack of ability"? Everyone has the ability to express whatever opinion they want, no matter how wrong the majority of people see it. So what if there's a popular view on many topics? That's almost inevitable.

 

 

 

To tell you the truth I'm sick of the victim mentality I hear wherever an opinion is put down (it mightn't necessarily be you, but I've definitely seen it with others). I'll disagree strongly with Lep1423 saying "scientists are all morons", but I'm not going to go on a tirade pretending I'm being victimised. I'm going to call that a stupid statement and move on with my life.

[Barihawk]

Seriously, I am sick of the lack of ability to express one's opinions on certain subjects on the internet. People are free to discuss their pornography viewing habits, use of illegal substances, or any number of subjects but if someone has a differing opinion to the above or another "popular" view they are instantly labelled as "wrong," "backwards," or ridiculed.

 

 

 

What "lack of ability"? Everyone has the ability to express whatever opinion they want, no matter how wrong the majority of people see it. So what if there's a popular view on many topics? That's almost inevitable.

 

 

 

To tell you the truth I'm sick of the victim mentality I hear wherever an opinion is put down (it mightn't necessarily be you, but I've definitely seen it with others). I'll disagree strongly with Lep1423 saying "scientists are all morons", but I'm not going to go on a tirade pretending I'm being victimised. I'm going to call that a stupid statement and move on with my life.

 

 

 

There's a difference between being able to say something and the reaction you will receive. There's also a difference between shrugging off a blatantly moronic claim and injury to your core beliefs.

 

 

 

EDIT: I'm being neutral in this topic but I feel I need to add this in. My last sentence in the proper post can go either to your "victim mentality" sufferers or homosexuals in this thread. Further proof that rational analysis before you post is necessary. Everyone has feelings, everyone has differing beliefs.

[Zierro]

Seriously, I am sick of the lack of ability to express one's opinions on certain subjects on the internet. People are free to discuss their pornography viewing habits, use of illegal substances, or any number of subjects but if someone has a differing opinion to the above or another "popular" view they are instantly labelled as "wrong," "backwards," or ridiculed.

 

 

 

What "lack of ability"? Everyone has the ability to express whatever opinion they want, no matter how wrong the majority of people see it. So what if there's a popular view on many topics? That's almost inevitable.

 

 

 

To tell you the truth I'm sick of the victim mentality I hear wherever an opinion is put down (it mightn't necessarily be you, but I've definitely seen it with others). I'll disagree strongly with Lep1423 saying "scientists are all morons", but I'm not going to go on a tirade pretending I'm being victimised. I'm going to call that a stupid statement and move on with my life.

 

 

 

He definitely could have at least put it in more eloquent terms to prevent anyone from being offended. You have to admit, this is very a touchy subject for some.

[Giordano]

I live in the "bible belt", or the south. Just about everyone here is a homophobe. This issue still extends far beyond that. You don't have a damn clue how horrible people are here, which is why I think some people will never change. One thing troubles me though as of late: how the presidential election and this issue are related.

 

 

 

Think about it, consider who gay people would vote for, McCain, who is conservative and wouldn't help them, or Obama, who would push for equality regarding this issue. It is a sign, that we are changing somewhat, albeit slowly. Down here, I don't recall any state voting for Obama completely. These conservatives also tend to be homophobes. This obviously won't apply to each one of them, but people just simply won't listen. Which is why I want Barihawk's plan to be put into action, to convince people that they need to cast aside their opinion to just think about it for one damn moment.

 

Were you thinking I meant individuals? I was actually referring to society as a whole. But if we let everybody just accept it and do nothing about it, its not going to change is it not?

 

 

 

It seems "open-minded" is being used as an excuse to accept the other side, which I will not. Letting one sex be homosexual and the other not is not fair, its not right, and I will not be "open minded" on that issue because, quite frankly, the other side has to first.

[BlueLancer]

scientists are all morons

 

 

 

Not to be a spoilsport, but anyone with even a hint of a brain cell will ignore all your posts if you genuinely believe all the things you listed in your post. Assassin provided reasonable doubts about your age too.

 

 

 

Just as a reminder, you can't legally use tip.it being under 13 years of age without the consent of a guardian or parent. Don't think there have ever been age-related bans here, but it's theoretically not allowed.

[RichieMcD]

To me homosexuality is completely disgusting and stupid. (However I don't mind if it's girls lol :lol: ) But yeah, I hate saying "not that it's wrong or anything" after I make some comment about it. It's like you have to say that so the homosexuals and supporters won't get offended. :roll: But seriously, especially people in jail...do those people not remember what it's like to be a guy? You are a human being, how can you possibly like to do stuff to other guys in jail. It's all stupid to me. And famous people as well, like George Michaels who sung that Faith song. Why is he even homosexual? A guy like that could get almost any girl he wanted... :wall:

 

 

 

However like the above people said, amazingly they are some of the nicest people ever. (Excluding jail) Maybe this goes along the lines of being a nice guy will never get you a girl. :? Which is like 100% true.

 

 

 

As for the scientist theories...scientists are all morons. They can't prove any of the theories they have and rather than believe in religion, they decide to spend billions of dollars comming up with theories to find a different way the universe was created. I don't want this to turn into a thread about religion, but how can you seriously believe that the universe created itself? -.- Yeah, I'm sure it was all just there and appeared one day for no reason at all...

 

 

 

Are you so ignorant you don't even factor in every human being is different and has differing opinions and preferences? I know it's quite a shock to your close-minded attitude, but yes....some people do like things which aren't viewed as "normal".

 

 

 

Scientists are morons? They hold a vast amount more proof than any religious theories do, heard of a thing called "physical evidence" rather than "blind faith"?

 

 

 

Answer me this, as it sounds just as logical as the universe being created out of nowhere does. Where did god come from? Did he create himself? Did he just appear out of nowhere, both questions are as unrealistic as each other, the difference being one actually holds physical evidence to it's name.

 

 

 

Open up your mind and mature, right now you seem like some close-minded ignorant 12 year old.

[magekillr]

Conservatism helps another family!

 

 

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/277/story/892447.html

 

 

 

As her partner of 17 years slipped into a coma, Janice Langbehn pleaded with doctors and anyone who would listen to let her into the woman's hospital room.

 

 

 

Eight anguishing hours passed before Langbehn would be allowed into Jackson Memorial Hospital's Ryder Trauma Center. By then, she could only say her final farewell as a priest performed the last rites on 39-year-old Lisa Marie Pond.

 

 

 

Jackson staffers advised Langbehn that she could not see Pond earlier because the hospital's visitation policy in cases of emergency was limited to immediate family and spouses -- not partners. In Florida, same-sex marriages or partnerships are not recognized. On Friday, two years after her partner's death, Langbehn and her attorneys were in federal court, claiming emotional distress and negligence in a suit they filed last June.

 

 

 

Jackson attorneys filed a motion to dismiss the case on grounds that the hospital has no obligation to allow patients' visitors.

 

 

 

Following a hearing lasting more than an hour Friday, U.S. District Judge Adalberto Jordan said he would try to decide soon whether the case could proceed to trial. He gave no specific date.

 

 

 

MARRIAGE AMENDMENT

 

 

 

The suit is winding its way through federal court only months after voters approved the Florida Marriage Protection Amendment, which defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman. The statewide amendment garnered more than 62 percent of voters -- surpassing the 60 percent threshold required for ratification.

 

 

 

Supporters of Florida's Amendment 2 -- mostly conservatives and Christian groups -- argued it was needed to protect families and the traditional institution of marriage by promoting homes with a mom and a dad.

 

 

 

Opponents argued that gay and straight, unmarried Floridians risked losing domestic partner benefits, such as health insurance, hospital visitation rights and the ability to make end-of-life decisions.

 

 

 

NO CONSULTATION

 

 

 

At Friday's hearing, Langbehn's lawyers argued the case should be tried because Langbehn had the proper documentation to make medical decisions on behalf of her partner, and was not consulted about Pond's condition for hours despite seeking answers every 20 minutes.

 

 

 

''This is not just about same-sex couples,'' said attorney Donald Hayden, who is also representing the Langbehn family. ``This is about protecting the legal access that a parent has to see a child, or an essential loved ones right to be aware of what is going on with their loved one.''

 

 

 

Attorneys for Jackson argued that hospital staff did not purposely try to harm the family or cause emotional stress.

 

 

 

''There's just not enough there to say that these doctors intentionally tried to cause distress,'' attorney Andrew Boese told the judge.

 

 

 

Pond's medical problems began in February 2007 when she, Langbehn and their three adopted children were aboard a cruise ship docked in Miami. The Washington state couple and their children were on vacation.

 

 

 

Pond suddenly collapsed from a heart attack and was rushed to the trauma center.

 

 

 

Though Langbehn had documents declaring her Pond's legal guardian and giving her the medical ''power of attorney,'' Jackson officials refused to recognize her or the kids as family.

 

 

 

Langbehn, who still lives in Washington, was not available for comment Friday, but in a 2007 interview with The Miami Herald she said, ``Any family should have the right to hold their loved one's hand in the last moments of life, and we were denied that.''

 

 

 

Langbehn's supporters are livid about the hospital's actions.

 

 

 

''We are here to ensure that families get the respect they deserve at Jackson Memorial Hospital and to prevent Janice's tragedy from happening to anyone else,'' said Beth Littrell, an attorney for Lambda Legal, a national group that fights for the civil rights of gays. ``This family deserves to have its day in court.''

 

 

 

 

 

Aww, prop 2 is so touching with how well it is bringing families together.

[warri0r45]

Seriously, I am sick of the lack of ability to express one's opinions on certain subjects on the internet. People are free to discuss their pornography viewing habits, use of illegal substances, or any number of subjects but if someone has a differing opinion to the above or another "popular" view they are instantly labelled as "wrong," "backwards," or ridiculed.

 

 

 

What "lack of ability"? Everyone has the ability to express whatever opinion they want, no matter how wrong the majority of people see it. So what if there's a popular view on many topics? That's almost inevitable.

 

 

 

To tell you the truth I'm sick of the victim mentality I hear wherever an opinion is put down (it mightn't necessarily be you, but I've definitely seen it with others). I'll disagree strongly with Lep1423 saying "scientists are all morons", but I'm not going to go on a tirade pretending I'm being victimised. I'm going to call that a stupid statement and move on with my life.

 

 

 

He definitely could have at least put it in more eloquent terms to prevent anyone from being offended. You have to admit, this is very a touchy subject for some.

 

 

 

Of course he could have put it better, but that's not really the point. Some people are bound to say stupid, insensitive things from time to time. Rather than complaining about it, people should have the strength to ignore it whether it offends core beliefs or not. I could just as easily claim that Lep1423 saying "scientists are all morons" offends my core belief (being a science student), but do I think I'm being victimised over it? No, of course not. I can spot a stupid comment and shrug it off. It does not diminish my ability to express a contrary opinion.

 

 

 

I suppose my overarching message would be for people to harden up. They're only words. Call them stupid if you want, but don't feel bad because someone says stupid things.

[1_man_army]

 

Some people are bound to say stupid, insensitive things from time to time. Rather than complaining about it, people should have the strength to ignore it whether it offends core beliefs or not.

 

 

 

While in most cases I agree with that sentiment there are some instances where you really need to pull people's card. Saying something moronic is fine because you can argue against the statement but when people start with racist, bigoted or something that is immensely outrageous to that effect, then I think that they should be admonished for it. Otherwise, if nobody criticises the comments, the poster will feel that it is completely acceptable.

[Barihawk]

Being a scientist myself (care to come in here and moan about me saying that, Zierro?) I don't really find that too very offensive. Like I said, there are idiots and there are actual attacks. I find it more shocking that "science" becomes the antithesis of religion. It's not, unless you follow the "Church of Empiricism" that got started with the Principia as it's Bible. The two can coexist in many degrees (not all). It bothers me that people only think of two sides in these arguments, always black and white. Always ignoring the gray areas.

 

 

 

Like me. I could really care less if people get their freak on. Do I like homosexuality? No, I find it actually repulsive. The fact that biology does not allow for homosexual procreation to me is nature's way of saying "no." And that's my right to think that way. But in the end if people want to do that thing it's their business. I'm not for banning their marriage but you have to remember that laws are built upon the ethics and morality of it's constituents. Ethics->Mores-> Laws. Someday the majority of people in Florida will agree that homosexuality is "meh" or "whatever" and laws will be enacted to allow for marriage between gay couples. Hell, despite what you may think that's how civil rights came along. MLK, Jr was not demonstrating for the government's benefit. The government already believed in equality. It was the people who did not. The Civil Rights Movement was all about convincing the PEOPLE to support equality and then relay that to their lawmakers. He changed their ethics, shifted the more, and law was born.

 

 

 

I have to think that while I find homosexuality repulsive, others out there feel that it's beautiful and to them that's what love is. And I respect that. To each his own. It is not my place in this world to tell him/her what to do.

 

 

 

And I have to agree that what really irked me about Lep's post was his comment regarding lesbianism as being "ok." Seriously? That's rather chauvinistic and sexist, really. "I really hate gays but two women gets my rocks off as long as they are hot, lol." That kind of reasoning makes me sick. My personal opinion of you dropped to negative levels for that. There's having a legitimate opinion, and then there's being ignorant.

 

 

 

While in most cases I agree with that sentiment there are some instances where you really need to pull people's card. Saying something moronic is fine because you can argue against the statement but when people start with racist, bigoted or something that is immensely outrageous to that effect, then I think that they should be admonished for it. Otherwise, if nobody criticises the comments, the poster will feel that it is completely acceptable.

 

 

 

Amen. Bigotry is the big example here. It's one thing to dislike someone's way of life. Bigotry is where you don't even tolerate it, even in discussion.

[warri0r45]

 

Some people are bound to say stupid, insensitive things from time to time. Rather than complaining about it, people should have the strength to ignore it whether it offends core beliefs or not.

 

 

 

While in most cases I agree with that sentiment there are some instances where you really need to pull people's card. Saying something moronic is fine because you can argue against the statement but when people start with racist, bigoted or something that is immensely outrageous to that effect, then I think that they should be admonished for it. Otherwise, if nobody criticises the comments, the poster will feel that it is completely acceptable.

 

Maybe I should revise that. People should have the strength to rise above stupid comments without claiming they're being victimised/denied the ability to express a contrary opinion/etc. By all means speak out against stupid comments.

 

 

 

Sorry for the confusion.

[Barihawk]

Well let's be honest, some have the right to claim they are victimized. Homosexuals, for one. That article that magekllr posted? Someone's claiming to have been victimized because of their beliefs. They feel that they can't express their views without being denied opportunity.

[warri0r45]

Well let's be honest, some have the right to claim they are victimized. Homosexuals, for one. That article that magekllr posted? Someone's claiming to have been victimized because of their beliefs. They feel that they can't express their views without being denied opportunity.

 

 

 

That's all fine, but it clearly doesn't apply on an internet forum. We're expressing opinions here by using mere words. It's all virtually anonymous and there's no risk of being persecuted/victimised or anything like that. It's the purest form of an exchange of ideas.

[Zierro]

(care to come in here and moan about me saying that, Zierro?)

 

 

 

Because you had to be bold enough to mention it, yes. I think I will. Bashing on scientists is not in the same vein as bashing someone for being homosexual. Of course you wouldn't find it that offensive.

 

 

 

For one, participating in science is a fully conscious choice. Secondly, bringing it up here just doesn't make sense at all, and it seems to me like a very weak attempt at an insult. You were the one who came on the thread and posted that I was in no position to give the opinion that I did and that you were because you had *experience*. (Oh my, the E-word!! :o ) How is this situation anything like that at all?

 

 

 

It's fine to give an opinion about your reaction to someone insulting you just because of something you do (even though it doesn't help to get the point across in this context, but still it isn't as bad as it was on the other thread). The problem arose when you pretend like the only and universal truth lies within someone who has experience and that other human beings in a different position than you cannot give opinions. It's not logical - it's conceit. Should I not be allowed to write an essay on war and think it's an immoral act of man even though I've never personally been in one? Should I not be allowed to fight for equal rights of blacks because I'm personally not black?

 

 

 

So stop acting a fool and continuing a pitiful flamewar.

[Barihawk]

Not only did you actually respond to that, but what the hell are you talking about? I fully recognized the right of anyone to believe what they want without resorting to denying people rights. Any negativity about my "station" was directed at Lep for saying all scientists are morons who believe in one specific thing. Aka generalizing...really badly.

 

 

 

And you are right, it was a weak insult. And guess what, you are the only person who cares.

 

 

 

And you are the one making the big fuss, acting like you have the moral high horse, and continuing the pitiful flame war. If you would like to moan, do it in PM instead of spamming topics with it. Nobody else is complaining.

 

 

 

Also, feel free to have an opinion and share it. I'm not saying that you are wrong for having one. I'm just trying to explain *why* certain issues take place with an insider's perspective (in regards to the other thread). If you would like to ignore my input, go ahead and do so. That's your God given right, and a natural right in it's own regard. If you really dislike my opinion so much, add me to your foes list or something. Otherwise, read the damn sticky at the top of this board.