Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[Serpent Eye]

Well, straight people for lack of a better word are, "normal", at least sexually. Whether you believe in the bible, or in evolution, homosexual activity goes against the fundamental "norm". As it's been said before, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Or if you are totally believing in evolution (which is myself) 99% of species on this planet procreate between genders, not within them.

 

 

 

So back to your reply, I don't think public displays are 100% appropriate, and straight people can be just as rude as gays, no argument there. However this whole "choice" word is a bit laughable to me (as is the word homophobe). If being gay is genetic, then how are there more now than ever in the history of mankind? Think of a genetic event, say blue eyes. If people with blue eyes suddenly stopped reproducing...for say, 3000 years. How many blue eyed people would there be?

 

 

 

My main point again...is it wrong...in private? Well that's not mine to say. In public? Yep.

 

 

 

Your argument fails... hardcore.

 

 

 

Straight people aren't "normal" by your argument. It takes a fraction of a second to think about it objectively: Compared to a gay person, straight people are different than us. And we don't judge you. We don't say that being straight is abnormal. It's a two-sided argument, that shouldn't be used.

 

 

 

And how is the word "homophobe" laughable to you? Go back and read all 88 pages of this thread, and you'll see that it's laced with homophobic comments. Everyone "doesn't mind gay people, just as long as they don't try to do anything with me." - "What they do behind closed doors is their personal business, but don't show it around me!" These are all comments made out of some sort of fear, or phobia, of homosexuality.

 

 

 

And there are "more" gay people now than there were before, because homosexuality is more widely accepted today, and people aren't keeping quiet about it. Trust me - there have always been a considerable amount of gay people in the world - they were just fearful of coming out in the harsher times.

 

 

 

And I don't understand how you can say it's fine to be gay in private, but it's not okay to be gay in public. It's 100% unfair. I'm constantly flooded with images of straight couples, as someone mentioned earlier: ads on TV, in print, etc. Walking down the street, I see straight couples holding hands, innocently kissing, even passionately kissing sometimes. And while I'm not straight, I don't think anything is wrong with it.

 

 

 

Honestly... it's like saying, "Oh, it's okay to be African American at home... just... put a bag over your head when you leave the house."

[kehllz]

Speaking of genetics, homosexuality being linked to genetics doesn't essentially mean it would die out. I haven't seen much research on homosexuality and genetics, but two things. If it's a recessive or complex gene, it could easily be a part of a major part of the population's genetic code. Second, genes aren't something that just happens. A major part of expression is the environment. As far as I know, I may be genetically gay but without the proper stimuli in early childhood and throughout life, I've become straight. So really, genetically speaking, the homosexual gene could easily run through the population.

 

 

 

P.S. Some species other than humans have exhibited homosexual relationships, bonobos for one. Amongst primates the least violent species have the highest degree of homosexual relationships. Just an interesting fact.

[user1991]

What kind of problems does homosexuality cause us?

 

 

 

Much like bestiality, public masturbation, bigamy, and necrophilia just to name a few, there are no "problems" caused by homosexuality. But, the common theme between homosexuality and those other kinks I just mentioned are that they are all just that...kinks. None of them are anything beyond a preferred method of getting yourself off. Regardless of whether it is genetic or not, to act on such thoughts (or rather to not act) is part of what separates us from lower forms of life.

 

Point being on topic, it's wrong. Now, that said what one does in private - hey more power to ya. However those of us who don't engage in those acts do not wish to hear about it 24/7 on television, in print, movies, etc...keep it in the proverbial closet where your chosen method of orgasm belongs.

 

And the whole marriage thing? IDK...it should be given as much credence as my wanting to marry a tree, or a dog, or an abstract concept, like November 23rd, or the color brown. Laughable IMO.

 

 

 

Wow, you're stupid.

 

 

 

You can't have a social contract with a tree. Or an animal. Or a child. You cannot compare gay marriage to bestiality (animal consent?), public masturbation (do you think it is appropriate for young children to see any sex act in public?), or necrophilia. Necrophilia is a taboo because it is seen as disrespecting both the deceased person's life and their family. There is no consent, and there is no possible way consent can be given, but it still causes harm. How dare you compare these things to homosexuality.

 

 

 

This is ridiculous. You remind of that Rick Warren guy, who compared homosexuality to pedophilia and tried to make it seem okay by saying that he gave money to AIDS charities, (which is like saying yeh I'm a racist but its okay because I give money to AIDs charities, cause as we know, all those black people have aids.)

 

 

 

So while the concept to you is "laughable" (afte rall, you don't even have the mental capacity to understand the concept of social contracts and how inanimate objects/animals are different to adults,) this is a serious issue of rights for millions of people all over the world. You're an absolute moron.

 

 

 

 

 

If being gay is genetic, then how are there more now than ever in the history of mankind? Think of a genetic event, say blue eyes. If people with blue eyes suddenly stopped reproducing...for say, 3000 years. How many blue eyed people would there be?

 

 

 

Oh, maybe its because it is only recently that it has become acceptable in the eyes of a lot of people? If I was going to be imprisoned/killed for being gay I would probably stay quiet about it.

 

 

 

Seriously, do you not think through ANYTHING you post?

[jetset516]

I love when I rile people by making valid points. I can tell I've struck a chord when people resort to insults and name calling.

 

All that's left is for some insecure gay member to say I'm using my "hate" to cover my own homosexual urges. You all can continue flaming me if you wish. I've made my point and if you can't handle the truth it's time for us to move on.

[Rainy_Day]

Inb4Escalation

 

 

 

Let's argue valid points instead of calling one another stupid, or replying to posts which are likely to receive an insulting reply. :thumbup:

[ThurinEthir]

What valid points did you make? Oh right, none.

 

Nice strawman by the way.

 

If your argument is just going to be "I'm right, you're wrong!" then just stop.

[user1991]

Inb4Escalation

 

 

 

Let's argue valid points instead of calling one another stupid, or replying to posts which are likely to receive an insulting reply. :thumbup:

 

 

 

He didn't make any valid points.

 

 

 

Every point he made was stupid, and then when proven wrong, admittedly with a little flame, he just resorts to saying "oh, well I'm right."

[Rebdragon]

I love when I rile people by making valid points. I can tell I've struck a chord when people resort to insults and name calling.

 

All that's left is for some insecure gay member to say I'm using my "hate" to cover my own homosexual urges. You all can continue flaming me if you wish. I've made my point and if you can't handle the truth it's time for us to move on.

 

Serious question: after you reread your post, do you honestly see the logic in it? Is it possible that the shear lack of logic combined with the derogatory nature of your post is the reason that people feel a need to insult you?

 

 

 

If I told you "All black people should burn in hell", and you insulted me for saying that, how would you react if I told you what you just told everyone in your post- that the fact that I was insulted makes my points valid?

 

 

 

See the logic, or lack there of? You're not making sense mate. Honestly, as has been said, you're either stupid or a troll. For your sake one can only hope it's the latter.

[Zierro]

However this whole "choice" word is a bit laughable to me (as is the word homophobe). If being gay is genetic, then how are there more now than ever in the history of mankind? Think of a genetic event, say blue eyes. If people with blue eyes suddenly stopped reproducing...for say, 3000 years. How many blue eyed people would there be?

 

 

 

Blue eyed people would be extinct. I don't think there is a gay gene per se. I think it's a little more like food taste. You can't really control whether you think something tastes good or bad, but at the same time, children can be fond of totally different foods than their parents are fond of.

[mmmcannibalism]

This is ridiculous. You remind of that Rick Warren guy, who compared homosexuality to pedophilia and tried to make it seem okay by saying that he gave money to AIDS charities, (which is like saying yeh I'm a racist but its okay because I give money to AIDs charities, cause as we know, all those black people have aids.)

 

 

 

Just thought I would inform you that he wasnt saying homosexuality=pedophilia, but that they were the same in that they are sexual um activities is the word I guess that he does not approve of.

 

 

 

On the genetic thing, the fact there is some genetic link of debated effect is different from a direct effect. A gene that promotes homosexuality isnt guarenteed to cause it just make it more likely so such genes could quite easily be passed on, especially if that family had other genes that suppresed the so called gay gene and allowed it to be spread out before showing up in descendents.

[Serpent Eye]

I love when I rile people by making valid points. I can tell I've struck a chord when people resort to insults and name calling.

 

All that's left is for some insecure gay member to say I'm using my "hate" to cover my own homosexual urges. You all can continue flaming me if you wish. I've made my point and if you can't handle the truth it's time for us to move on.

 

 

 

Before I reply to you, I need to know if this is directed at me or not o.O

[Forerunner]

Homosexuals are just normal people. There's nothing special & there's nothing wrong.

 

Thats like saying preferring one band over another band is "wrong".

[kehllz]

Homosexuals are just normal people. There's nothing special & there's nothing wrong.

 

Thats like saying preferring one band over another band is "wrong".

 

 

 

I'd say it's more like genre of music, but that's a pretty good analogy.

[AdamMonkey0]

In my opinion, it's right. I don't find anything wrong with it. I've mostly grown up accepting new things and have also become atheist. I have any problems with homosexuals, christains, muslims, jewish people, and pretty much everyone else.

 

 

 

The only thing I ask in return... please don't let me see you doing your thing... it grosses me out a bit (seeing anyone (homosexuals and straights) doing their "thing" for that matter).

[r4ngewarlord]

im okay with gay people ive got nothing against them its just if find well gay men kissing a bit odd thier nice people but what they do in thier spare time sorta freaks me out.

 

as for the lesbians they dont wierd me out as much but i think thats because im a guy and theres not that fear...

 

 

 

I don't think you've seen ugly lesbians kiss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:ohnoes: :ohnoes:

 

 

 

good point you just gave me nightmares :thumbup:

[Kiriyama]

im okay with gay people ive got nothing against them its just if find well gay men kissing a bit odd thier nice people but what they do in thier spare time sorta freaks me out.

 

as for the lesbians they dont wierd me out as much but i think thats because im a guy and theres not that fear...

 

 

 

I don't think you've seen ugly lesbians kiss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:ohnoes: :ohnoes:

 

 

 

good point you just gave me nightmares :thumbup:

 

 

 

Just go back to your illusion that all lesbians are hot. That'll stop those nightmares.

[r4ngewarlord]

im okay with gay people ive got nothing against them its just if find well gay men kissing a bit odd thier nice people but what they do in thier spare time sorta freaks me out.

 

as for the lesbians they dont wierd me out as much but i think thats because im a guy and theres not that fear...

 

 

 

I don't think you've seen ugly lesbians kiss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:ohnoes: :ohnoes:

 

 

 

good point you just gave me nightmares :thumbup:

 

 

 

Just go back to your illusion that all lesbians are hot. That'll stop those nightmares.

 

 

 

cant already seen the world for how it is

[Demeige]

I was brought up Christian but then I saw the light. (Of realism and free-will. That, and I also took high school biology. Lol.) Needless to say I'm an Atheist now.

 

 

 

 

 

Some of you would do well with a bit of enlightenment:

 

Case study of twins

 

http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_s ... udies.html

 

 

 

If you don't want to read that I'll give you a synopsis;

 

There have been limited studies on twins and rates of homosexuality among twin siblings. However, from what HAS been studies, there seems to be a higher "incidence" of homosexuality among twins (wherein one sibling is homosexual, and so is the other) which indicates that it may be genetic. As of now the verdict seems unclear and more research definitely needs to be done.

 

 

 

 

im okay with gay people ive got nothing against them its just if find well gay men kissing a bit odd thier nice people but what they do in thier spare time sorta freaks me out.

 

as for the lesbians they dont wierd me out as much but i think thats because im a guy and theres not that fear...

 

 

 

Lol at double-standard.

 

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Science aside, from an ethical standpoint, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. None of you, nor your religious institutions, have the right to dictate what "love" is.

 

 

 

Is it "love" just because you have the ability to produce a child? Is it "love" because you have the right to get married? Is it "love" because the so called "sacred institution of marriage" is a tradition (normally) between a man and a woman?

 

 

 

-The world is overpopulated. You shouldn't be procreating anymore.

 

-Your so called "sacred institution of marriage" ends in divorce over 50% of the time. Doesn't sound all that sacred to me. If you go by "tradition", a "traditional" marriage is actually between a man and MANY women. (Polygamy)

 

-Coincidentally, most religions are also against polygamy.

 

 

 

This reminds me of a quote I read once before..."You know your god is man-made when he hates the same people as you do."

 

 

 

My mom is probably one of the most open-minded Christians out there. She totally accepts that I live my life as an Atheist, and she acknowledges the fact that most of the teachings of Christianity (or any religion for that matter) can't be taken literally. If you follow what the Bible dictates, you should stone your wife if she cheats on you. [Deuteronomy 22:23]

 

 

 

My mom always taught me to love and accept people for who they were in their hearts and souls. Not for who they took into bed.

[mistywerty]

Having spoken to homophobes before, their real fear is not what they practice, but the idea of the homosexuals raping them...

[Zierro]

Having spoken to homophobes before, their real fear is not what they practice, but the idea of the homosexuals raping them...

 

 

 

Wow, then homophobia is pretty damn prevalent. I don't know a straight guy who's not afraid of that. :lol:

[Nenga]

Having spoken to homophobes before, their real fear is not what they practice, but the idea of the homosexuals raping them...

 

 

 

Wow, then homophobia is pretty damn prevalent. I don't know a straight guy who's not afraid of that. :lol:

 

So does that mean they're not scared of getting raped in any other form? I don't think a homosexual would rape someone if they were normal.

 

 

 

By normal I don't mean that thing about homosexuality being abnormal a few pages back, I mean have the normal morals that most people do. (just explaining because I know someone would take it the wrong way.)

[assassin_696]

That kind of homophobia is also the most vain form of self-flattery imaginable.

[Demeige]

That kind of homophobia is also the most vain form of self-flattery imaginable.

 

 

 

Hahah, I agree.

 

I know a few homosexuals that comment on that all the time.

 

 

 

Basically, the homophobe (i.e. heterosexual male) thinks that he's oh so "hot" and that every woman and homosexual man absolutely WANTS to sleep with him. Obviously, that's never the case. Hate to burst some of your bubbles, but you just aren't that attractive. :

 

 

 

`-`

[Zierro]

Well, I wouldn't want to be raped by anyone. No one would or else I don't think it would be defined as rape. But if I was in prison and a guy did that to me then it would be pretty disgusting as well as humiliating. It's definitely not an experience anyone would want to live through.

 

 

 

Basically, the homophobe (i.e. heterosexual male) thinks that he's oh so "hot" and that every woman and homosexual man absolutely WANTS to sleep with him. Obviously, that's never the case. Hate to burst some of your bubbles, but you just aren't that attractive.

 

 

 

I've had many gay people approach me before... :| One dude wanted to touch my hair and one dude said I was his "gym buddy".

[Shinjula]

But that happens to us homosexuals, I've had a fair number of female friends who've chatted me up.

 

Now I dont react to them the same way straight men act to me when I chat them up.

 

To me, its just a case of 'I'm sorry I don't DO girls', how would any of you men who are suggesting violence to any gay man who propositions you react if my response was the same to women chatting me up?

 

Or even to a lesser stance, how would you feel if a girl you were chatting up responded with absolute disgust and revulsion? It's not really a very nice response.

 

 

 

(Note to Zierro - I'm not actually necessarily including you in those sets, you haven't indicated your responce to the situations you described)