Prankster king got unpowned. I bet you'd be really mad if they had warning signs on the godwars dungeon.

It wasn't bad, until they released that gay club penguin game.

Lol glad to see prankster defend himself. But I got to tell you ppl... its the 10 year old down people you have to worry about. I take offense that you include the 11-12 year old population they tend to be maturing at that stage.

I do have to agree with Prankster through, we don't need runescape holding our hands. The first time I saw the sign outside wildy I went ok that good to know that in the area players can kill players. but the ditch you gotta be having a laugh, what next a wall? a maze? a 200 word ToS About the wildy?

 

runescape went alittle far. runescape do on the otherhand have parts were it darker and you know troble is ahead.

It is Jagex's undoing that Runescape is falling to the younger age group. It is because of them that the Runescape worlds are filled with younger players who just haven't aged enough to learn to play fair, or refrain from insulting one another when they don't get their way. Not all of them are like that, I know. I've met quite a few nicer ones who actually sound much like an older teen. But they are not the majority... The world is about majorty rules. If the majority of Runescape has younger kids, the game is going to updated to fit the need for the young. Simple as that.

 

 

 

I liked your response. But what do you propose we DO about the immaturity rise?

actually....this article really opened up my eyes as i have younger siblings tat also play rs and agreed tat they were either 13 years old or older when they began to play. they were also oblivious to the messages on the homepage everytime they played all they did was click, "click here to play". i just really agree with this article because now just by talking to the ppl who play rs its just really noticable if ur talkin to some10 year old who has absolutely no sense of logic...........this whole things just aggravates me...

Some older players are just as bad though..

 

 

 

I started playing when I was 14, but I never begged, no really, not even when I got hacked (keylogged) 2 years ago (I was 15 then).

 

 

 

You now know I'm 17

 

So technically I'm still a kid, but I figured out Mournings End part 2 alright, before the tip.it guide was out, though I admit it took me 2 days (for the whole quest), but that was mostly because I had to get new food every few minutes and because of that insane list (without the list it would only have taken 1 day). Once I got the hang of the puzzle it really wasn't all that hard.

 

And the monkey madness puzzle.. come on people that is a really standard and easy puzzle. (I did Monkey Madness when RFD came out, same for Horror from the Deep)

 

 

 

Lots of kids < 13 are annoying (go to varrock in a free world, IIRC it's where they gather) but you don't see the ones that aren't because they don't annoy you, you just walk past them without taking notice.

Tbfgraphx14, you say "The reason, that Jagex states why they will not allow players under 13 is for such things as sliding puzzles and harder quests like they stated. Just thought I would let everyone who didn't know, know. " however, according to the T&C is because " Internet safety experts have advised that preteens do not fully appreciate the risk of providing too much personal information online or communicating with strangers they encounter online." they are just covering their own backs.

 

 

 

I still think people are confusing maturity with level to be honest. i've had people call me an immature noob, but im level 79, been playing for 2 years and im 20 in real life. i dont believe i am immature, but people assume i am because im not such a high level, or because i dont know something they think i should. in a situation such as that, i personally believe the immaturity is coming from the other player, wether he is level 3 or 126, and regardless of rl age.

 

 

 

The warnings are there because people break the rules. if there was no luring of new players, there would not have to be a ditch and warning in the wild, or in shantay pass, or morytania. what people forget is the fact that its not the new players fault that they were scammed/lured etc. it is the fault of the people breaking the rules, and so jagex has HAD to put these measures in place to combat the rule breakers. besides if you hate the warning so much, why dont you just go and see the Dommsayer in Lumbridge and turn them off?

 

 

 

i dont in any way believe that miniclip lowered the maturity of the players coming into runescape, just that you will see the immature ones more in f2p, its a smaller area, everyones stuffed into a few places. i dont think Jagex is money hungry, because the people prankster_king is referring to are on f2p.... jagex dont get membership fees from them, so why would they cater the game to them?? its just not good business sense!

 

 

 

i fail to see how jagex is catering the game to more immature players. Stronghold of security? very good way to teach new players to avoid rule breakers. warning signs? ditto. Again these deal with inexperience rather than immaturity.

 

 

 

Ack! major post, sorry!

It is Jagex's undoing that Runescape is falling to the younger age group. It is because of them that the Runescape worlds are filled with younger players who just haven't aged enough to learn to play fair, or refrain from insulting one another when they don't get their way. Not all of them are like that, I know. I've met quite a few nicer ones who actually sound much like an older teen. But they are not the majority... The world is about majorty rules. If the majority of Runescape has younger kids, the game is going to updated to fit the need for the young. Simple as that.

 

 

 

I liked your response. But what do you propose we DO about the immaturity rise?

 

 

 

At this point, there's really nothing we can do. As you know, there's over 1million payers in Runescape. With an audience that large, it's near impossible to attempt to raise the age group and maturity level... My reccomendation? Well, you can just put up with it as some people have stated. Or if it gets overly aggrivating, you can leave. It's just a game, after all, and you have no obligation to stay in it if you don't want to.

I've been playing this game since the record all time users was 900 players, when there was no worlds it was just "play runescape" about 3 months later they came out with world 1 and world 2, no members or anything. In fact, this time i speak of was when i was in the 2nd grade, I am now about to start 10th grade in a week and I have seen the ups and downs of runscape. Only about 25% of my RS career have i been over "the age" to play without breaking rules. Young players can have class and I know that there are many players who are 16, 17, or 18 who are contributing to this "young factor" just as much. I always play with class and respect, and I'm very sure some of you think that being 14 is young.

Hallelujah! 2 authors writing articulately and succinctly to make clearly well thought out comments on the game!

 

 

 

Maybe the average age and maturity of Runescape's players has slipped (as i believe it has) but how can the actions of individual humans be attributed to a completely unknown editor of a freely accessed website?! Miniclip has had some hilarious AND terrible games in its time, but the editor rarely, if ever, has any contact at all with his/her clients and thus cannot be held responsible for an influx of players to the RS community that old-timers don't appreciate.

 

 

 

Maybe the immaturity and dishonesty of the new players has something to do with the people responsible for giving them their values and views on life, such as parents or whatever... That may not be a popular view, but i find it fairly ridiculous to blame either jagex or miniclip for the way their players behave...

I have not read and don't have time to read the posts after the first reply of Prankster_king, but seeing my previous posts I feel obliged to response to his writing :).

 

 

 

Prankster_King, you say that Jagex has developed a certain amount of greed. Erhm, how can you possibly know that? Do you have any idea of the costs to keep the servers of RuneScape running? How expensive an hour of work is of any employee? (and they have a lot. Customer support, programmers, marketing & PR folks, lawyers, auditors,...) Sure, more players bring more money in the drawers. But 1 member pays 5$ a month, while every member updates requires dozens, if not hundreds hours of work, at a much higher hourly rate.

 

 

 

Surely Jagex is a profitable business, otherwise noone would bother to keep up with it for 6 years. But saying that they are greedy is way out of order. You have no proof whatsoever to support this, and there aren't even any indications :/. Any healthy businessman would like his firm to grow in it's early stage, hence the Miniclip advertisements. Jagex hasn't done ANYTHING to gain more money. The ads are still the same (no extra ones on the side etc), hell they even replaced the ads with some of their own :o. The monthly fee for members has not increased. But yet what a member, and even what a free player (as yourself, which you still don't acknowledge) gets, has been expanded many times.

 

 

 

So yes, I'll give you the fact that there are some immature people there, and most likley they are coming (partially?) from Miniclip. However everything else you stated is still pure cabbage in my opinion, as expressed last week.

I do hate it how f2p got more childish. Like the lumbridge teleport, at the times when I did underground pass at lvl 68 cb with 55 ranged, a magic longbow and about 3k irons and I had no idea what I had started, but with quest guides I managed to do it without dying. And I had not brought a teleport in there, now if you get stuck somewhere you can just teleport. I had no chance but to go on at the time.

 

 

 

I'm f2p most of the times and all I ever do there is pking, the only thing on f2p that can be considered as dangerous, and if you don't like somebody you can just kill him.

I have not read and don't have time to read the posts after the first reply of Prankster_king, but seeing my previous posts I feel obliged to response to his writing :).

 

 

 

Prankster_King, you say that Jagex has developed a certain amount of greed. Erhm, how can you possibly know that? Do you have any idea of the costs to keep the servers of RuneScape running? How expensive an hour of work is of any employee? (and they have a lot. Customer support, programmers, marketing & PR folks, lawyers, auditors,...) Sure, more players bring more money in the drawers. But 1 member pays 5$ a month, while every member updates requires dozens, if not hundreds hours of work, at a much higher hourly rate.

 

 

 

Surely Jagex is a profitable business, otherwise noone would bother to keep up with it for 6 years. But saying that they are greedy is way out of order. You have no proof whatsoever to support this, and there aren't even any indications :/. Any healthy businessman would like his firm to grow in it's early stage, hence the Miniclip advertisements. Jagex hasn't done ANYTHING to gain more money. The ads are still the same (no extra ones on the side etc), hell they even replaced the ads with some of their own :o. The monthly fee for members has not increased. But yet what a member, and even what a free player (as yourself, which you still don't acknowledge) gets, has been expanded many times.

 

 

 

So yes, I'll give you the fact that there are some immature people there, and most likley they are coming (partially?) from Miniclip. However everything else you stated is still pure cabbage in my opinion, as expressed last week.

 

 

 

You stated that Jagex hasn't done "ANYTHING" to gain more money... Do I need to point out that there used to be just F2P, and no paying members? And that P2P was an update for them to increase profits? :-w

 

You stated that Jagex hasn't done "ANYTHING" to gain more money... Do I need to point out that there used to be just F2P, and no paying members? And that P2P was an update for them to increase profits? :-w

 

 

 

The basic plan was to run it for free, but to pay for my hobby through advertising. However, when the dot com bubble began to collapse, advertising dried up, and there was no way to pay for the game's server.

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=13769

 

 

 

According to Andrew, membership was spawned from lack of funds, not greed.

Yea, when I read Prankster King's article, I was pretty upset of the things he blamed Jagex of doing. I really like the way these replies were written. They defended their point very nicely =D>

 

 

 

I hope Prankster King sees that not everything he wrote was true, and I hope he will change his mind about some of the negative (I actually mean really really terrible lies) things that he wrote in his letter :P

 

You stated that Jagex hasn't done "ANYTHING" to gain more money... Do I need to point out that there used to be just F2P, and no paying members? And that P2P was an update for them to increase profits? :-w

 

 

 

The basic plan was to run it for free, but to pay for my hobby through advertising. However, when the dot com bubble began to collapse, advertising dried up, and there was no way to pay for the game's server.

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=13769

 

 

 

According to Andrew, membership was spawned from lack of funds, not greed.

 

 

 

Exactly. It's what happens to every free game ;). I remember quite a few MMORPG's that used to be free 2 play, but eventually had to make the change towards pay to play. Of those, RuneScape is one of the cheapest ;)

 

 

 

I challenge you to keep a game, comparable in size to runescape, on ONLY advertisement adds. Oh yes, and it's your main income as well as that of dozen others.

 

 

 

Good luck Prankster, I'll drop the title king for now :/

So there is an example of a <13 player not understanding things in Runescape.

 

 

 

Offtopic

 

I believe that <13 means greater than 13... #-o

 

End offtopic

 

 

 

 

 

these were a very good read, finally, some interesting and insightful letters.

 

You stated that Jagex hasn't done "ANYTHING" to gain more money... Do I need to point out that there used to be just F2P, and no paying members? And that P2P was an update for them to increase profits? :-w

 

 

 

The basic plan was to run it for free, but to pay for my hobby through advertising. However, when the dot com bubble began to collapse, advertising dried up, and there was no way to pay for the game's server.

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=13769

 

 

 

According to Andrew, membership was spawned from lack of funds, not greed.

 

 

 

Exactly. It's what happens to every free game ;). I remember quite a few MMORPG's that used to be free 2 play, but eventually had to make the change towards pay to play. Of those, RuneScape is one of the cheapest ;)

 

 

 

I challenge you to keep a game, comparable in size to runescape, on ONLY advertisement adds. Oh yes, and it's your main income as well as that of dozen others.

 

 

 

Good luck Prankster, I'll drop the title king for now :/

 

 

 

That is an interesting find. (The link, that is)

 

 

 

But my opinion remains. I do believe we've gotten slightly off topic...

 

 

 

The entire point of the article was to express my opinion. What opinion is that? The maturity level of Runescape is falling, and has been since the advertisement in Miniclip, due to obvious reasons. That's it. Somehow, people have been twisting its meaning all over the place. :|

 

 

 

Why am I saying that? Isn't it obvious?... I don't need hard evidence to back up the fact that the maturity of Runescape is going downhill. Just go into Varrock on a busy world, and watch what happens around you for a while. You'll see. Go to another world, and do the same. There it is again. The maturity of Runescape's players is declining... Why is it so hard for people to understand that that's all I'm trying to say? :roll:

 

 

 

And the entire part about just calling me "Prankster"... Lol. Three letters are my reply to that.

Nice letters. I started RS before they put the age requirements so I didn,t know. Don't report me. :pray: Btw when is the editor coming back, anyone know? S/he sure is mysterious. 8-)

So there is an example of a <13 player not understanding things in Runescape.

 

 

 

I believe that <13 means greater than 13... #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

you believe wrongly then

 

 

 

<13 in this case means age<13, where age has the smallest end of the arrow so it means that Age is smaller than 13.

The entire point of the article was to express my opinion. What opinion is that? The maturity level of Runescape is falling, and has been since the advertisement in Miniclip, due to obvious reasons. That's it. Somehow, people have been twisting its meaning all over the place. :|

 

 

 

Yes, and that is only partially correct. The updates of runescape are NOT losing maturity AT ALL. Ofcourse, you haven't witnessed all to many of them, as a F2P player. Why can't you just accept that even though you have a point, most of your arguments are not even founded on something real ;)

 

 

 

That's the last I'll say, we can keep going forever, and I usually tend to do so :P

I entirely agree with this article. Miniclip was a terrible move for Runescape. Admittedly I was 9 when I first started playing Runescape, but I never begged for money. I did occasionally ask higher level players where certain things were, but if they said they were too busy to tell me I would move along and try asking someone else.

The entire point of the article was to express my opinion. What opinion is that? The maturity level of Runescape is falling, and has been since the advertisement in Miniclip, due to obvious reasons. That's it. Somehow, people have been twisting its meaning all over the place. :|

 

 

 

Yes, and that is only partially correct. The updates of runescape are NOT losing maturity AT ALL. Ofcourse, you haven't witnessed all to many of them, as a F2P player. Why can't you just accept that even though you have a point, most of your arguments are not even founded on something real ;)

 

 

 

That's the last I'll say, we can keep going forever, and I usually tend to do so :P

 

 

 

Not losing maturity? Err... Didn't you read my article? I stated about half a dozen points that were just off the top of my head.. And now you're blaming me fore being F2P? Lol.

 

 

 

Mm, you said I have a point... Well, I guess my article accomplished what it was written for, then. I made a point. That's it. That's all it was written for... Like I said in my previous post, it was an opinion article, and doesn't need evidence to back it up. For Guthix's sake, it's pretty bloody obvious that the maturity level isn't quite as high as it used to be. What exactly do I need to found it on? Do I need to make some sort of petition of people that agree with my statement? :lol: You can't give evidence about something that has to do with maturity, as maturity isn't a physical object/document/recorded statement. The bit about Miniclip adds to that view. You know as well as I do that Miniclip brought in a surge of younger gamers... And unless you're completely arrogant to the world, you should also know that young age usually comes with immaturity. Not always, granted, but the majority rules. See my first response in this thread for more detail on that part..

 

 

 

And I could keep going like this as well, thank you very much. ;) My opinions and views are my own, and I have every right to express them. No arguments against them will change that.

Prankster dosent look like such a noob anymore and now he and bambino are going to have a never ending war :thumbsup: But really both your points got across, prankster king is redemed why we need an inteligent flame war?