An Inconvienent Truth in Schools?

[warri0r45]

warri0r, that was just mean :P .

 

 

 

I am more interested in hearing alternate viewpoints based on literature sources to counter my points than just hearing silence or trying to obliterate those who say things like "we're not the cause of it". I'm also more interested in hearing alternate viewpoints based on literature sources over someone's opinion as if it's solidly based in fact or as if it really matters (especially when it's a statement with no reasoning behind it).

 

 

 

There are people who get paid to study this. There are people who learn the science for years to get thier doctorates. There are people who work maticulously on reports which go through the criticisms of others in peer review. The end product is unsurpassed knowledge. It may be right, it may be wrong, but it's more reliable than any abstract opinion anyone may just happen to have, I'm quite certain of that. Everyone gets knowledge from somewhere, it's a necessity of knowing anything. I just prefer getting mine from teachers, lecturers and scientific journals rather than news tabloids, the media, hype or straight "it feels right" opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

Please don't bite me, I actually agree with you!

 

 

 

 

The current warming in the past decades is a natural cycle, driven by a global ocean circulation that manifests itself in the North Atlantic as the Gulf Stream. Warm water and cool water essentially rise and fall in a rhythm lasting decades. "Global warming hysteria" is motivated, in part, by the desire among scientists, government leaders and environmentalists to find a political cause that would enable them to organize, propagandize, force conformity and exercise political influence. Big world government could best lead (and control) us to a better world! :roll:

 

 

 

The skeptics (and conspiracy theorists - sometimes it's hard to distinguish) are everywhere in all forms. There is no particular reason to trust this one or his explanation at all over others or over thousands of reputable scientists in the mainstream. I, like you, choose to go with the peer reviewed literature over anything based in conspiracy theory or rhetorical device.

[RayOxide]

Hmm, that nerd Al Gore gave us Live Earth. (FREE) so watch it.

 

 

 

It's school.

 

School = education

 

Documentaries = educational

 

Educational things = school.

[PaperClipsYaaaar]

Hmm, that nerd Al Gore gave us Live Earth. (FREE) so watch it.

 

 

 

It's school.

 

School = education

 

Documentaries = educational

 

Educational things = school.

 

you forgot bathroom sex

[Unoalexi]

Hmm, that nerd Al Gore gave us Live Earth. (FREE) so watch it.

 

 

 

It's school.

 

School = education

 

Documentaries = educational

 

Educational things = school.

 

you forgot bathroom sex

 

 

 

What school do you attend that allows bathroom sex on a regular basis..?

[Lionheart_0]

-.- Paper clips, this isnt gonna help you with the mods >.

[mixand]

I thought Al Gore was off politics now.

 

Anyway, just keep your mind open, it's not as if they were nazis indoctrinating you.

 

 

 

 

 

Their not Nazi's they're worse, they're hippies.

[SanFranciscoGiants]

We already saw it. I think it should be able to be shown, after all, they are real statistics Al Gore is showing; nobody said you had to beileve any of it either.

[Bo4345]

My lil bro saw it in his 6th grade sience class last year :?

[venomai]

It was, without a doubt, the most boring movie I've ever watched. And I'm pretty interested in environmental issues, especially for a teenager.

 

 

 

I enjoyed some of the statistics in it, though. Even if all the details are very forgettable, it still makes you see how much we are contributing to global warming.

 

 

 

My answer? No. Don't show the full movie in schools. Maybe clips of it, if anything.

 

The best choice would be to remake it in a way that appeals to teens and youth. Michael Moore's documentaries are great to be shown in school because they are entertaining and humourous and really get the point across.

 

 

 

Just my two cents from personal experience. Nobody in my class payed attention to An Inconvenient Truth, but they loved watching Bowling for Columbine.

[assassin_696]

I see what your talking about, but it's still no reason to say "Hey, i'll keep my car on just because I know we aren't affecting the atmosphere and global warming." Regardless of the magnitude of how much we contribute, we should still clean up our life style as the clean up of life style would also help society feel better about itself. It's kinda like washing ones self. If you didn't take a shower for about a month, you would probably feel pretty dirty and crappy about yourself, right? Might as well take that shower once in a while to help yourself feel good.

 

 

 

It's nowhere near that simple though. I'm in general agreement with the science that warri0r has shown time and time again, although it's hard to find purely objective non-politically motivated climate change science out there, it is out there and it has been shown to you. The facts are impossible to argue with.

 

 

 

But the fact remains that to clean up the world, with all the economic/political and social difficulties that that would entail is an absolutely massive task. So there needs to be this kind of trust and confidence in the science behind climate change which isn't being helped by showing documentaries like An Inconvenient Truth. It's probably quite a nice documentary to show in a lesson as they go, but until people have confidence that the scientists aren't doing for anything other than a presentation of the evidence, people will distrust everything about it.

 

 

 

That's why I don't think this documentary should be shown.

[kelem_ryu]

I see what your talking about, but it's still no reason to say "Hey, i'll keep my car on just because I know we aren't affecting the atmosphere and global warming." Regardless of the magnitude of how much we contribute, we should still clean up our life style as the clean up of life style would also help society feel better about itself. It's kinda like washing ones self. If you didn't take a shower for about a month, you would probably feel pretty dirty and crappy about yourself, right? Might as well take that shower once in a while to help yourself feel good.

 

 

 

I agree wholeheartly. Global warming is just one aspect. There are reasons in abundance to change our lifestyle. Take cars for example. They are very noisy and their fumes stink. Whether they cause global warming or not, they affect my living quality. Traffic is just a very random example though. Very much traffic is caused by the daily pilgrimage to work and home again. Well.. just one very random example. However nobody really seems to care about changing this.

[Rebdragon]

I agree wholeheartly. Global warming is just one aspect. There are reasons in abundance to change our lifestyle. Take cars for example. They are very noisy and their fumes stink. Whether they cause global warming or not, they affect my living quality. Traffic is just a very random example though. Very much traffic is caused by the daily pilgrimage to work and home again. Well.. just one very random example. However nobody really seems to care about changing this.

 

Are you suggesting that humans completely get rid of cars just because they're "very noisy and their fumes stink" and cause traffic :lol: ?

 

 

 

You're not serious, right? Do you even have a license?

[Unoalexi]

I agree wholeheartly. Global warming is just one aspect. There are reasons in abundance to change our lifestyle. Take cars for example. They are very noisy and their fumes stink. Whether they cause global warming or not, they affect my living quality. Traffic is just a very random example though. Very much traffic is caused by the daily pilgrimage to work and home again. Well.. just one very random example. However nobody really seems to care about changing this.

 

Are you suggesting that humans completely get rid of cars just because they're "very noisy and their fumes stink" and cause traffic :lol: ?

 

 

 

You're not serious, right? Do you even have a license?

 

 

 

I believe he was just pointing out the fact that most cars *Cough* SUVs *Cough* are loud and not that good for the environment. Getting rid of cars would be a fine example to stoop this, however it is not at all practical.

[Will H]

Paperclips, I'm not even gonna quote you.

 

 

 

The whole 'are we are aren't we causing global warming' debate is now so steeped in controversy that we are now running around in circles whilst our crude oil reserves are dissapearing, which is the basis of our lifestyle. The point is, it doesn't matter. I once believed Al Gore, then disbelieved him, and now I really don't want to know.

 

 

 

Either way, our lifestyle is gonna literally crash if our oil reserves run out and we can't supply ourself with electricity. It's as good as the world flooding, which according to Al Gore, is gonna happen anyway if we keep arguing. The CO2 emission reduction (And Global Warming, and Polar Ice Caps melting and all that crap) is just a side-effect. Why can't we just forget about it, and sort out some better methods of electrical generation, like wind power, hydroelectricity, and Nuclear Power (But we need to make it safer and arrange places to bury the waste until we can harness Nuclear Fusion, instead of Fission) which will then allow us to use a better fuel like hydrogen (Which you can easily obtain by simply electrolysing water), sorting the whole 'what we gonna do to move our cars?' debate.

 

 

 

Stop running in circles everyone! Forget it and move on!

[highlanders]

Teachers should show both sides of the issue, and make the children write an essay about which side they have chosen to support and for which reasons, it would promote some individual thinking. Unfortunately, teachers are rarely neutral or intelligent enough to remain neutral with controversial issues, and their opinions rub on the students. Kids often hear only the opinions of their parents on controversial issues, a neutral learning environment would help them form an opinion with broader perspectives.

[Powman3]

I feel obligated to post this:

 

 

 

 

Anyway, I thought there was a case against it where a judge ruled that it couldn't be shown in schools?

 

 

 

omg :XD:

[ember3579]

I'll point out a few things. 1: Paperclips, you are the most demented/idiotic person on these boards, and should be given a swift kick in the [donkey], then IP banned from these boards. -.- 2: I think Moore may have already touched on this topic in a documentary, but I don't know. He might be holding off on it. 3: Warrior, the sheer force of that much text boggles the mind. :shock: I'm officially impressed. =D> 4: I think we have a decent impact on the current problems, just not a total one. In about 2 centuries though, by some people's guesstimate (mine included) if we can't figure out a way to a: set up the moon to be one big-[donkey]ed colony or b: figure out a way to colonize space, we're screwed thanks to not only this issue but also overconsumption, limited space, and overcrowding. Ever been to NYC? Imagine that, worldwide. :wall: :ohnoes:

[Nanosauromo]

How can it be "political propaganda" if Al Gore does not hold any elected office, nor is he running for one?