This is just a theory i may be wrong i may be right

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Recently...

 

 

 

 

 

As ALL of you know, Jagex has been fighting a war against bots, some people say it started with duel arena, some think it was pc (to effectively slow down the lvling speed of pures that would be gold farming) some people think it goes back to the rule updates of Jan 07 which sparked the first Real Riot in Runescape. Whatever the starting point was it doesnt matter all that does is the result...

 

 

 

On December 10th 2007 Jagex released the biggest and most controversial update since the release of rs2. Jagex introduced the unbalanced trade rule, the blocking of covert trades (including trade by suicide and drop trading) and the removal of the wilderness, an unofficial skill of runescape much like boss monster hunting and replacing it with a simple mini game. The updates before this included the assist system, bounty hunter and tournaments, Grand exchange, grave stones, loot share, party room. Most of those updates were made to help us cope with such fundamental changed to the game but have sense proven ineffective.This however is neither a rant nor a compliment however

 

 

 

However these updates are not my concern. As already proven no amount of complaining, people quitting, reasonable arguments, suggestions, heck even members of jagex staff probably couldn't do much to change it. So i too have accepted that another rant is no different than throwing sand on a mountain that no one cares about.

 

 

 

Now that these updates have been installed into the fiber of the game there is nothing to do but adapt and go on. Quitting now would be silly especially if jagex promises solutions. this is not my concern my concern is the future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comming Soon...

 

 

 

As many of you probably have noticed the number of bots have dropped A LOT. Thats all good but their not gone yet. And the ones who remain seem more determined than ever. They are no longer cutting trees but shouting (go to *insert website here* for power lvl ups and gold)*

 

 

 

Based on the usual jagex reaction what comes next? Jagex first strike against bots made item scamming, multiple log-in, real world trading, and most bots obsolete.

 

 

 

But the bots still remain and their website advertising. What comes next for us? I see another update the removal of talking. (sounds crazy hah id believe anything after the wilderness was removed). The removal of talking would be a perfect decision by jagex who only cares about law and order. Its a just a feeling but i believe that is jagex next controversial move.

 

 

 

 

 

Look for the signs...

 

 

 

 

 

again i believe that if this happens again its going to start when they are promising a great new improvement to clan chat, specific channels for buying goods or talk about a skill or something with limited chat freedom.This has a censor that looks anything that does not fit the category which will mute you if your found guilty

 

 

 

Slowly jagex adds more restrictions, like a max amount of words lines of text per minute to stop spamming. Or maybe they wont say that even maybe it might be to save server space for "our magnificent new updates"

 

 

 

An even stricter censer

 

 

 

The promise of a new skill (its common knowledge jagex holds anticipated updates till the right moment to keep as many members as possible)

 

 

 

The conclusion...

 

 

 

in jagex eyes that will be the substitute for talking and after that update is gone their going to tell you how much better the game is now that offensive language is gone, password scamming, jagex staff impersonation, encouraging others to break rules, advertising websites, and asking for personal details and the rest of the bots are gone.

 

 

 

jagex knows that a lot of people will be pissed off so they have their huge promises of new updates flying around in the background

 

 

 

whats left...?

 

 

 

eventually if these updates continue runescape will become toon town

 

 

 

lol who wants to play that? so if you think that these updates are coming at any time ever its your job as an rs player to keep the game fun

 

 

 

show your feedback to jagex as much as possible! if you dont like how this sounds go on the RSOF and go to suggestion thread and find a proactive solution before we suffer more madness and ridiculous updates

gain i believe that if this happens again its going to start when they are promising a great new improvement to clan chat, specific channels for buying goods or talk about a skill or something with limited chat freedom.This has a censor that looks anything that does not fit the category which will mute you if your found guilty

 

 

 

Slowly jagex adds more restrictions, like a max amount of words lines of text per minute to stop spamming. Or maybe they wont say that even maybe it might be to save server space for "our magnificent new updates"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they do stop spamming, you currently cannot repeatidly say things too quickly. but honestly, the things you suggest most likely will not happen.

 

 

 

while i do agree, this game keeps getting a feeling like a childproof lighter. i think it reality, if it were back to no chat censor we would be okay.

You know, I made a thread exactly like this, and even as I wrote it I thought it was to ridiculous to come true. I described how the only way they could fix problems would be getting rid of the ability to drop items and trade (and don't think that hasn't been removed). I was completely joking around because it just sounded so ridiculous, so who knows. This sounds crazy, but jagex has made their priorities clear. I wouldn't rule anything out.

There are updates for bug abusers, it's called fixing the bugs.

 

 

 

As for advert blocking, Jagex can't enforce it properly enough, it's just there to satisfy the advertisers.

 

 

 

As for misusing customer support and the forums, if you think Jagex isn't going to update, would you care to actually bring some ideas to the table?

gain i believe that if this happens again its going to start when they are promising a great new improvement to clan chat, specific channels for buying goods or talk about a skill or something with limited chat freedom.This has a censor that looks anything that does not fit the category which will mute you if your found guilty

 

 

 

Slowly jagex adds more restrictions, like a max amount of words lines of text per minute to stop spamming. Or maybe they wont say that even maybe it might be to save server space for "our magnificent new updates"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they do stop spamming, you currently cannot repeatidly say things too quickly. but honestly, the things you suggest most likely will not happen.

 

 

 

while i do agree, this game keeps getting a feeling like a childproof lighter. i think it reality, if it were back to no chat censor we would be okay.

 

 

 

a month ago i wouldve said no way this persons a moron for writing this

 

 

 

no i am writing it. Why? because if you look to the past it tells you your future, as long as jagex's decision making process remains the same an update like that is not only possible its likely

There are updates for bug abusers, it's called fixing the bugs.

 

 

 

As for advert blocking, Jagex can't enforce it properly enough, it's just there to satisfy the advertisers.

 

 

 

As for misusing customer support and the forums, if you think Jagex isn't going to update, would you care to actually bring some ideas to the table?

 

 

 

i could but those rules really dont matter much

 

 

 

a bad enough bug is fixed by a roll back and jagex can keep fixing bugs and banning away

 

 

 

and for customer support and forums

 

 

 

id like to make clear now i dont want them to update most problems with rs right now are when jagex tries to create a utopia

 

 

 

sometimes its not meant to be

jagex has become adaptive to the autoers from RSC to todays autoers/gold miners.

 

 

 

 

 

now, yes i agree more "harsh" steps could come forth in the game. now if you were to say a crazy idea, is to have jagex block people from logging into new IP's from different areas via traceroute. well, im sure it would blow over equally as well as killing off pking.

 

 

 

 

 

however, you do bring up an amazingly positive point. the fact that jagex has taken steps to save their game for the good of the majority, and the steps were none to subtle. this however, leads me to believe that jagex might make some totally amazing updates. they may have crossed lines in peoples eyes, they could really start to make this game good now by crossing even more lines that were not acceptable until the removal of pking

 

 

 

just a thought

 

 

 

Please do not sterotype ~darkdude

-.- I see them beefing up the censor again.

 

Imagine not saying "website, .com, the "." itself in a sentence or any other punctuation, or any word relating to a power leveler or bot like site -.-

I imagine them putting a 30 second rule on saying things. OH THE HUMANITY!!

 

 

 

Imagine:

 

 

 

:D : Hey whats up

 

 

 

:mrgreen: : Nm u?

 

 

 

30 seconds later

 

 

 

:D : Same old

 

 

 

Think about how long it would take for conversations. In theory, the clan chat can go over this, but it would still be annoying having to go to numerous chats just to talk to some random strangers.

I imagine them putting a 30 second rule on saying things. OH THE HUMANITY!!

 

Or they could make it like some nintendo online games are. Limiting you to certain buttons for emoticons and generic hi, bye, thank you, your welcome, etc type messages you click. A lot of online kid games work this way. Then they could get rid of the 13 year old rule, and open the magnificent new game up for everyone!

Doubt it.

I imagine them putting a 30 second rule on saying things. OH THE HUMANITY!!

 

Or they could make it like some nintendo online games are. Limiting you to certain buttons for emoticons and generic hi, bye, thank you, your welcome, etc type messages you click. A lot of online kid games work this way. Then they could get rid of the 13 year old rule, and open the magnificent new game up for everyone!

 

 

 

I do hope you're being sarcastic with that last statement. (obviously)

 

 

 

I would see Jagex doing that too. Or, having a list of already made statements you click to say.

~Well, isn't death a fear of the future? I don't see any threads about that... Why don't you wait till the updates get here before making a huge big deal out of them?~

This website advertising is nothing new, but when all the new updates are finally implemented these will be greatly reduced as the RWTer's won't be able to operate very effectively. Also, a lot of these are scams to enable the "advertiser" to keylog your PC and steal your password. Once they have your password the account is theirs to sell to the highest bidder.

 

 

 

The best way to deal with these is to report them - advertising is an instant ban on RS with no appeal (as some people have found out to their cost when advertising this forum).

~Well, isn't death a fear of the future? I don't see any threads about that... Why don't you wait till the updates get here before making a huge big deal out of them?~

 

 

 

well death isnt runescape related and technically you can chose not to die in runescape too

 

 

 

i choose to make a big deal about the update before hand because

 

 

 

as long as the update isnt out yet there is hope for it to be changed

 

 

 

very rarely does jagex change an update already in the game

Sounds bizarre. Anything is possible though. I wonder what I'd report if there were no more rules to break. :roll:

Let's sum up here.

 

 

 

You basically thing that Jagex is led by a fearless, power hungry tyrant with a pair of twenty-sided dice in his hands, and whichever numbers he rolls, he makes judgment calls based off of that.

 

 

 

Let me pull the wool from over your eyes.

 

 

 

Think about it -- RWT is dead. Jagex didn't need to go for the heart of the beast, just the jugular vein would do. Most ways of RWT were rather devious -- I'd have never thought to check the Party Room -- but now that they're gone, what's left to do practically? Accounts are traceable, and don't think that China doesn't have its own special Class A-type IP address range (because they do).

 

 

 

Now think about this. RWT was a serious threat to the game. Any autotyper can be slapped with a mute for 24 hours or placed on the ignore list. Why would you think that Jagex would use a chainsaw to cut a carrot?

 

 

 

[No, don't give me anything about RWT. That was a serious enough issue to merit what they did.]

Let's sum up here.

 

 

 

You basically thing that Jagex is led by a fearless, power hungry tyrant with a pair of twenty-sided dice in his hands, and whichever numbers he rolls, he makes judgment calls based off of that.

 

 

 

Let me pull the wool from over your eyes.

 

 

 

Think about it -- RWT is dead. Jagex didn't need to go for the heart of the beast, just the jugular vein would do. Most ways of RWT were rather devious -- I'd have never thought to check the Party Room -- but now that they're gone, what's left to do practically? Accounts are traceable, and don't think that China doesn't have its own special Class A-type IP address range (because they do).

 

 

 

Now think about this. RWT was a serious threat to the game. Any autotyper can be slapped with a mute for 24 hours or placed on the ignore list. Why would you think that Jagex would use a chainsaw to cut a carrot?

 

 

 

[No, don't give me anything about RWT. That was a serious enough issue to merit what they did.]

 

 

 

something like that

 

 

 

except i dont like the chainsaw to carrot analogy

 

 

 

i think the original RWT battle was necessary

 

 

 

however jagex couldve fought it the right way and upped their security, why should we suffer because jagex is too cheap to pay for gameguard or another game security company?

 

 

 

instead they update the game and affect most players of rs (in some way) with a silly update

 

 

 

This analagy fits better: Jagex is more like america during WWII they declared war after they were attacked and then instead of finishing a war with troops they throw in a nuke

 

 

 

 

 

after that nuke as been thrown anything is possible, after a nuke has been thrown im not surprised to see another (or at least a few chainsaws here and there) after all the second nuke to be launched (irl or rs will never be as necessary as the first)

 

The promise of a new skill (its common knowledge jagex holds anticipated updates till the right moment to keep as many members as possible)

 

 

 

 

So very true.

 

 

 

Jagex does have a very great game, but instead of killing every part of their game, they should have found some other ways to fix the problem.

 

 

 

 

 

And the censor is bad enough, i thought runescape was a age 13+ game yet tons of things it blocks are seen in plenty of pg-13 movies. Why not just say RS is a game for all ages if i cant say hardly offensive phrases.

 

 

 

I will stay till summoning, I have told my friends that, but if the game doesn't get better than it is, I don't know what I will do. (play as a f2p probably)

Let's sum up here.

 

 

 

You basically thing that Jagex is led by a fearless, power hungry tyrant with a pair of twenty-sided dice in his hands, and whichever numbers he rolls, he makes judgment calls based off of that.

 

 

 

Let me pull the wool from over your eyes.

 

 

 

Think about it -- RWT is dead. Jagex didn't need to go for the heart of the beast, just the jugular vein would do. Most ways of RWT were rather devious -- I'd have never thought to check the Party Room -- but now that they're gone, what's left to do practically? Accounts are traceable, and don't think that China doesn't have its own special Class A-type IP address range (because they do).

 

 

 

Now think about this. RWT was a serious threat to the game. Any autotyper can be slapped with a mute for 24 hours or placed on the ignore list. Why would you think that Jagex would use a chainsaw to cut a carrot?

 

 

 

[No, don't give me anything about RWT. That was a serious enough issue to merit what they did.]

 

 

 

something like that

 

 

 

except i dont like the chainsaw to carrot analogy

 

 

 

i think the original RWT battle was necessary

 

 

 

however jagex couldve fought it the right way and upped their security, why should we suffer because jagex is too cheap to pay for gameguard or another game security company?

 

 

 

instead they update the game and affect most players of rs (in some way) with a silly update

 

 

 

This analagy fits better: Jagex is more like america during WWII they declared war after they were attacked and then instead of finishing a war with troops they throw in a nuke

 

 

 

 

 

after that nuke as been thrown anything is possible, after a nuke has been thrown im not surprised to see another (or at least a few chainsaws here and there) after all the second nuke to be launched (irl or rs will never be as necessary as the first)

 

 

 

Nobody knows the right way to fight a war until it's over. The nuke analogy also fails horrendously.* Perhaps you could use a lesson in history.

 

 

 

What do you mean by "up their security"? Do you have any idea of the amount of security already in place physically and logically? [Or do you know anything about computer security...if you don't I'd be wasting my time.] The best and most effective way to stop this scum would definitely have been to update the game in such a way that their business is virtually inoperable.

 

 

 

It's like you're a child, or some teenager that refuses to believe the truth. Do you understand the gravity of the entire thing with RWT? Because I genuinely don't think you do.

 

 

 

[hide=*]Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor first, and what we did was launch a counteroffensive in the Pacific. The very idea of sending in troops to occupy the islands of Japan was quite improbable; these guys were hardcore warriors that would sooner die than give you an inch of turf. So, after Roosevelt passed on, Truman gave them their choice: either surrender or face destruction unlike any had seen before. They didn't surrender, so they were nuked - twice.

 

 

 

It isn't like [the US] overreacted. Sending in at least 500,000 troops to occupy this nation just could not be done. It was with a heavy heart that such a decision was made, but the thing is that it was the only logical course of action. I'm sure that when you become an adult and can see the true effect wars have on people, you'd understand.[/hide]

Let's sum up here.

 

 

 

You basically thing that Jagex is led by a fearless, power hungry tyrant with a pair of twenty-sided dice in his hands, and whichever numbers he rolls, he makes judgment calls based off of that.

 

 

 

Let me pull the wool from over your eyes.

 

 

 

Think about it -- RWT is dead. Jagex didn't need to go for the heart of the beast, just the jugular vein would do. Most ways of RWT were rather devious -- I'd have never thought to check the Party Room -- but now that they're gone, what's left to do practically? Accounts are traceable, and don't think that China doesn't have its own special Class A-type IP address range (because they do).

 

 

 

Now think about this. RWT was a serious threat to the game. Any autotyper can be slapped with a mute for 24 hours or placed on the ignore list. Why would you think that Jagex would use a chainsaw to cut a carrot?

 

 

 

[No, don't give me anything about RWT. That was a serious enough issue to merit what they did.]

 

 

 

RWT is definately not dead. There still exists two forms of RWT that are going on as we speak:

 

 

 

1. Account trading; which is still popular on some black markets.

 

 

 

2. Account lending; a method in which the goldbuyer lends his password to the goldseller. The goldseller then logs on to his account and levels the desired stats or makes the desired money in exchange for real world money.

[hide=My Quote]

Let's sum up here.

 

 

 

You basically thing that Jagex is led by a fearless, power hungry tyrant with a pair of twenty-sided dice in his hands, and whichever numbers he rolls, he makes judgment calls based off of that.

 

 

 

Let me pull the wool from over your eyes.

 

 

 

Think about it -- RWT is dead. Jagex didn't need to go for the heart of the beast, just the jugular vein would do. Most ways of RWT were rather devious -- I'd have never thought to check the Party Room -- but now that they're gone, what's left to do practically? Accounts are traceable, and don't think that China doesn't have its own special Class A-type IP address range (because they do).

 

 

 

Now think about this. RWT was a serious threat to the game. Any autotyper can be slapped with a mute for 24 hours or placed on the ignore list. Why would you think that Jagex would use a chainsaw to cut a carrot?

 

 

 

[No, don't give me anything about RWT. That was a serious enough issue to merit what they did.]

[/hide]

 

 

 

RWT is definately not dead. There still exists two forms of RWT that are going on as we speak:

 

 

 

1. Account trading; which is still popular on some black markets.

 

 

 

2. Account lending; a method in which the goldbuyer lends his password to the goldseller. The goldseller then logs on to his account and levels the desired stats or makes the desired money in exchange for real world money.

 

 

 

Ah, remember that Jagex went for the jugular here. Account trading has been going on for years now, but it's lost its allure (drop trading large sums of cash to the account, having tons of valuables on the account), and is at a much higher risk of being caught. Same with account lending. Even if someone is desperate enough to throw away hundreds of hours by buying some levels, the risk of being caught is much, much higher than if someone just died to something in the Wilderness.

[hide=My Quote]

Let's sum up here.

 

 

 

You basically thing that Jagex is led by a fearless, power hungry tyrant with a pair of twenty-sided dice in his hands, and whichever numbers he rolls, he makes judgment calls based off of that.

 

 

 

Let me pull the wool from over your eyes.

 

 

 

Think about it -- RWT is dead. Jagex didn't need to go for the heart of the beast, just the jugular vein would do. Most ways of RWT were rather devious -- I'd have never thought to check the Party Room -- but now that they're gone, what's left to do practically? Accounts are traceable, and don't think that China doesn't have its own special Class A-type IP address range (because they do).

 

 

 

Now think about this. RWT was a serious threat to the game. Any autotyper can be slapped with a mute for 24 hours or placed on the ignore list. Why would you think that Jagex would use a chainsaw to cut a carrot?

 

 

 

[No, don't give me anything about RWT. That was a serious enough issue to merit what they did.]

[/hide]

 

 

 

RWT is definately not dead. There still exists two forms of RWT that are going on as we speak:

 

 

 

1. Account trading; which is still popular on some black markets.

 

 

 

2. Account lending; a method in which the goldbuyer lends his password to the goldseller. The goldseller then logs on to his account and levels the desired stats or makes the desired money in exchange for real world money.

 

 

 

Ah, remember that Jagex went for the jugular here. Account trading has been going on for years now, but it's lost its allure (drop trading large sums of cash to the account, having tons of valuables on the account), and is at a much higher risk of being caught. Same with account lending. Even if someone is desperate enough to throw away hundreds of hours by buying some levels, the risk of being caught is much, much higher than if someone just died to something in the Wilderness.

 

 

 

Good point. :)

Let's sum up here.

 

 

 

You basically thing that Jagex is led by a fearless, power hungry tyrant with a pair of twenty-sided dice in his hands, and whichever numbers he rolls, he makes judgment calls based off of that.

 

 

 

Let me pull the wool from over your eyes.

 

 

 

Think about it -- RWT is dead. Jagex didn't need to go for the heart of the beast, just the jugular vein would do. Most ways of RWT were rather devious -- I'd have never thought to check the Party Room -- but now that they're gone, what's left to do practically? Accounts are traceable, and don't think that China doesn't have its own special Class A-type IP address range (because they do).

 

 

 

Now think about this. RWT was a serious threat to the game. Any autotyper can be slapped with a mute for 24 hours or placed on the ignore list. Why would you think that Jagex would use a chainsaw to cut a carrot?

 

 

 

[No, don't give me anything about RWT. That was a serious enough issue to merit what they did.]

 

 

 

something like that

 

 

 

except i dont like the chainsaw to carrot analogy

 

 

 

i think the original RWT battle was necessary

 

 

 

however jagex couldve fought it the right way and upped their security, why should we suffer because jagex is too cheap to pay for gameguard or another game security company?

 

 

 

instead they update the game and affect most players of rs (in some way) with a silly update

 

 

 

This analagy fits better: Jagex is more like america during WWII they declared war after they were attacked and then instead of finishing a war with troops they throw in a nuke

 

 

 

 

 

after that nuke as been thrown anything is possible, after a nuke has been thrown im not surprised to see another (or at least a few chainsaws here and there) after all the second nuke to be launched (irl or rs will never be as necessary as the first)

 

 

 

Nobody knows the right way to fight a war until it's over. The nuke analogy also fails horrendously.* Perhaps you could use a lesson in history.

 

 

 

What do you mean by "up their security"? Do you have any idea of the amount of security already in place physically and logically? [Or do you know anything about computer security...if you don't I'd be wasting my time.] The best and most effective way to stop this scum would definitely have been to update the game in such a way that their business is virtually inoperable.

 

 

 

It's like you're a child, or some teenager that refuses to believe the truth. Do you understand the gravity of the entire thing with RWT? Because I genuinely don't think you do.

 

 

 

[hide=*]Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor first, and what we did was launch a counteroffensive in the Pacific. The very idea of sending in troops to occupy the islands of Japan was quite improbable; these guys were hardcore warriors that would sooner die than give you an inch of turf. So, after Roosevelt passed on, Truman gave them their choice: either surrender or face destruction unlike any had seen before. They didn't surrender, so they were nuked - twice.

 

 

 

It isn't like [the US] overreacted. Sending in at least 500,000 troops to occupy this nation just could not be done. It was with a heavy heart that such a decision was made, but the thing is that it was the only logical course of action. I'm sure that when you become an adult and can see the true effect wars have on people, you'd understand.[/hide]

 

 

 

yeah bad analogy id rather not get into ww2 history and by second nuke i was refering to the nuking of japan as one event and the second nuke being one if its ever used again which would be the equivalent of if jagex ever used one again

 

 

 

 

 

and your right arguing over RWT is pointless im sorry for opening that can of worms i stated in my first post that the original RWT updates are here to stay and i agree some type of update was completely necessary

 

 

 

and about the security their main methods were to track bots not keep them from starting up in the first place from what ive researched myself *from the history of these bots* to publicly released statements by jagex their policy is a catch in the act and not the lock the screen from all outsider interference

 

 

 

and anyways there were other ways to do it... but lets not confuse this as a rant im over the rwt updates its just my concern that if they react to similar problems in similar ways then the game will end up as toon town

 

 

 

and if it gets to that point you may have to ask yourself how bad were bots?