North Korea

[Ultralord]

all i have to say about the matter is that Kim Jong Il is freakin insane.

 

 

 

lol the U.S. has tons of allies and N.K. has like none. who do you think will get pwnzered in the end?

[kazarin]

If Korea were to act agressivly towards the U.S.

 

Their communist allies would surely help them..

 

If World War Three happened..

 

It'd be USA, UK, others..

 

Against Korea, Russia, China, others..

 

Not to mention China Vs USA alone would be catostophic.

 

China has thousands and thousands of troops.

 

Not to mention USA's economy would crumple thanks to outsourcing..

 

 

 

Bush is a poor leader. I don't care what you say.

[apinagez]

Lmao, how childish.

 

China and Russia are capitalists. :lol:

[kazarin]

:shock:

 

When'd they become Capitalists?

[apinagez]

I hope that was retorical...

[kazarin]

It was not.

 

Last I remember..

 

 

 

China aided the North Koreans in the Korean War against USA.

 

How will they not do this again?

[Ultralord]

Lmao, how childish.

 

China and Russia are capitalists. :lol:

 

 

 

lol i was reading his post too... thinking what in the seven circles of hell is he talking about?

[apinagez]

I didn't even get to that part. I've read the first two lines only.

 

 

 

They must've fought the war with rocks and wooden maces then, right? I mean, wars used to be fought that way...

[kazarin]

Korean War was roughly 56 years ago... No maces or swords..

 

 

 

Can you not demoralize my intelligence and maybe brief me on what this thread is about?

 

Because obviously I don't got my stuff straight.

[apinagez]

Exactly, it was 56 years ago.

 

Cold War is over, just as wars are no longer fought with maces.

[Ultralord]

Korean War was roughly 56 years ago... No maces or swords..

 

 

 

Can you not demoralize my intelligence and maybe brief me on what this thread is about?

 

Because obviously I don't got my stuff straight.

 

 

 

to help you strighten some of it out, russia was a communist country when they still had rule over czech slovakia and surrounding countries, but that was when my dad was even a kid.

[kazarin]

Sadly all I know is history..

 

I do honestly need to read up on some current events..

 

 

 

Sorry for the minor inconvience.. :oops:

 

I'll only stick to threads I know 100% about..

 

To prevent making a complete arse of myself.

[Ultralord]

Sadly all I know is history..

 

I do honestly need to read up on some current events..

 

 

 

Sorry for the minor inconvience.. :oops:

 

I'll only stick to threads I know 100% about..

 

To prevent making a complete arse of myself.

 

 

 

lol no worries i've made myself look incredibly stupid on the forums here before, too

[Zonorhc]

If Korea were to act agressivly towards the U.S.

 

Their communist allies would surely help them..

 

If World War Three happened..

 

It'd be USA, UK, others..

 

Against Korea, Russia, China, others..

 

Not to mention China Vs USA alone would be catostophic.

 

China has thousands and thousands of troops.

 

Not to mention USA's economy would crumple thanks to outsourcing..

 

 

 

Bush is a poor leader. I don't care what you say.

 

 

 

China wants stability in its region, because that's what keeps its booming economy going. Not to mention that without the US or other Western nations, it has virtually no market to dump its vast amount of produced consumer goods in.

 

 

 

The last thing you'd want in China's situation is a war because Kim Jong Il decides that he wants to use his nuclear capabilities as a bargaining chip against the US for more food and aid.

 

 

 

China helped North Korea in the Korean war, yes, but that was in the 1950s. Nowadays, I wouldn't put it past Beijing to just shut off everything it supplies to North Korea and leave that failed nation to starve, although it would still be unlikely to support a US invasion. The last thing China needs now is to have its markets cut off by war.

[S_C_Stunner]

Last thing the whole world need is another war.

 

 

 

 

 

What can the North Koreans do to the world. If they fire one missile they'll have 20 in return.

 

 

 

Same goes for Iran if they manage to make one.

[seer_cryton]

I gotta say that from were i stand USA went into Iraq on mush weaker pretenses than this and if i were in N Korea i would have to seriously consider that. However i agree that N Korea is to close to China for USA to intervene without UN backing

 

 

 

BTW Bush saving us all is about as likely as him becoming peaceful

[MasterMarduk]

My personal thoughs on bush is hes a moron

 

 

 

 

 

but that said, I feel the wars In afghanistan and Iraq Where both needed

 

 

 

afghanistan was completely justified and correct actions after 911

 

 

 

Iraq was quite a bit less justified but I feel the worlds a better place without him.

 

 

 

 

 

Now only If north Korea's leader was gone

 

 

 

and

 

 

 

the Iranian people put there votes where there beliefs are The world would be a bit nicer place.

 

 

 

iraq and afghanistan justified? are you freaking kidding me? are you seriously joking? omg how can you believe that? have you ever been there? i've been to pakistan, went there by myself and lived with cousins and stuff for 2 months... you have no idea how much they were poed cuz of iraq + afghanistan. they love the us but hate our politics.

 

 

 

iranian ppl putting votes where beliefs are? they already are omg.....

 

i know ppl tht lived in iran and they support their gov 100% even the new hammas one. i'm personally against it, but if the people there want it, then let them. hammas may be horrible for us, but for the iranian people they're not that bad. they do massive charity work and stuff( not trying to glorify hammas, just showing both points of view).

 

 

 

and seriously, let north korea have nukes, you are correct with kim jong il needign to spend less on war and stuff and feed his people, but n. korea needs nukes as does every other country in the rest of the world.

 

 

 

Ok first ur comment to afghanistan. It was bascially run by Al Qaeda. The people there where so supressed in most facents of life and It was the main training grounds for Al Qaeda Around the world. afghanistan Isnt pakistan, They are 2 differant countries with 2 differant goverments with 2 differant situations.

 

 

 

Ok now I blast u.

I know ppl tht lived in iran and they support their gov 100% even the new hammas

. Seriously Hammas? lol Irans government isnt hammas lol thats palastine's. If u knew anything about Iran u would know they like western culture. They also dont hate americans. they Hate the us government to a certain extent but its not all that bad with the majority. Iran's political structure over the years is gonna get less hard line as the newer generations come into power *as long as Voting isnt riged*

[katha610]

aww come on. america has to recover before it fights another war. no money, less soldiers and the president....

 

anyway. on the other hand: thank you america. this country would be willing to do what others wouldnt. people there are proud of their country(even though a lot dont support bush)

[seer_cryton]

Personal opinions aside George Bush's actions before deployment in Iraq were almost totally criminal. His claim that weapons of mass destruction were owned by Sadam has benn disproven many times. and since deployment the troops in Iraq have been implicated in many scandalsand have turned public opinion strongly aainst them

[MasterMarduk]

Personal opinions aside George Bush's actions before deployment in Iraq were almost totally criminal. His claim that weapons of mass destruction were owned by Sadam has benn disproven many times. and since deployment the troops in Iraq have been implicated in many scandalsand have turned public opinion strongly aainst them

 

 

 

Name one armed conficted that has never had scandles.

 

 

 

Every Conflict has them to say that its just Unique to this would be wrong.

 

 

 

There have been WMD's found just really old ones and yes I dont think they knew about them. He may not have known there wasnt any, atho I personally think He knew there wasnt. He just whent with whatever he could to go in there and take saddam out. Saddam by no means was a good ruler. He was crule to His people and commited meny crimes agianst them. He needed to be removed If not for that alone.

[Zonorhc]

Personal opinions aside George Bush's actions before deployment in Iraq were almost totally criminal. His claim that weapons of mass destruction were owned by Sadam has benn disproven many times. and since deployment the troops in Iraq have been implicated in many scandalsand have turned public opinion strongly aainst them

 

 

 

Name one armed conficted that has never had scandles.

 

 

 

Every Conflict has them to say that its just Unique to this would be wrong.

 

 

 

There have been WMD's found just really old ones and yes I dont think they knew about them. He may not have known there wasnt any, atho I personally think He knew there wasnt. He just whent with whatever he could to go in there and take saddam out. Saddam by no means was a good ruler. He was crule to His people and commited meny crimes agianst them. He needed to be removed If not for that alone.

 

 

 

Those chemical weapons they found, while old and inoperable, still constitute as evidence that Saddam was in violation of the treaties stating that he was supposed to collect and destroy all his chemical weapons and halt their associated research programs.

 

 

 

While not the original reason for the US to invade Iraq, it gives them some justification.

 

 

 

I see here a distinct amount of anti-Bush sentiment without any actual facts to back it up. Can people actually post something relevant rather than "omg i r hate bush he r stoopid!!11!"?

[seer_cryton]

"Name one armed conficted that has never had scandles"

 

 

 

In that one comment you disregard the sexual abuse and torture of prisoners of Abu Grabe, the sexual abuse and murder of unarmed Iraqi civillians and the murder of other civillians in the crossfire with the so called insurgents. How is that any better than what they had under Sadam.

 

 

 

Personaly i am anti-Bush. Yes the world is a better place without Sadam leading a nation, but do the means used, which discredited a great nation, justify the ends?

[Tigra00]

They are prisoners, and justly so. While I do not condone abusing prisoners (of course) and wouldn't do it myself...Do you really think they'd treat OUR prisoners well? I believe we've all seen how they treat our people who are captured. They're used as randsom for a week and then beheaded.

 

 

 

I don't support the war, nor do I support Bush, but come on...Some of our armed forces slap some guys around and they get into crap, but the other side is beheading our guys who likely did nothing wrong, period.

 

 

 

If an Al Queda member gets slapped around some, I won't cry. Honestly.

[Bubsa]

Hahaha. I'm telling you now, if any other country in the world had a Camp X-Ray, the U.S. would be so eager to shut it down it would make your head spin.

[MasterMarduk]

"Name one armed conficted that has never had scandles"

 

 

 

In that one comment you disregard the sexual abuse and torture of prisoners of Abu Grabe, the sexual abuse and murder of unarmed Iraqi civillians and the murder of other civillians in the crossfire with the so called insurgents. How is that any better than what they had under Sadam.

 

 

 

Personaly i am anti-Bush. Yes the world is a better place without Sadam leading a nation, but do the means used, which discredited a great nation, justify the ends?

 

 

 

And Ur disregarding the Other things going on atm.

 

 

 

Like the Scandles of un peacekeepers in places like congo and there sexual abuse of children.

 

 

 

How is that any better than what they had under Sadam.

 

How is it not? Go to iraq and talk with the people themselfs I bet U everything I own that they would say they are better off now then before saddam was gone.

 

 

 

The murder of other civillians in the crossfire with the so called insurgents

 

Few civilians get killed in crossfire incidents. The vast majority are from car bombs, IED's, and kidnaping murders.

 

 

 

The sexual abuse and murder of unarmed Iraqi civillians

 

Yes I grant u that happened and the people that did that are being punished. But the sons of saddam where hundreds of times worse then even all our soilders when it comes to this. They raped probibly unknown numbers of women and killed and torturered Unknown numbers more of Civilians

 

 

 

The sexual abuse and torture of prisoners of Abu Grabe

 

Yes It happend, and I also ask u to show me an armour conflict without such. The people that did these things are facing there crimes and will be put away for what they have done.

 

 

 

I also dont like bush for his Policys and for his justifcation of His actions. But that dont mean Im agianst this war. It was both needed and Proper in my eyes.