North Korea

[Kewl_Sabre]

I though that both NK and Iran are out of line with their Nuclear Programmes. But it wasn't until I read this thread that I realised how far N. Korea had gone. Considering that their leader seems to be a total head-case, I think the best solution is to assasinate him and hope that some-one more mentally stable and economically minded steps into his role.

 

I would suggest the same for Iran but I think that would kick up a huge religious fuss and work up the tension in the Middle East even more. With Nukes he would be dangerous too, what with his hatred of Israel (That is the situation right?).

 

 

 

I've heard this idea before, and I think it would be incredibly risky. Say we get blamed, as we probably will. That angers them, potentially enough for some kind of conflict or war to errupt.

 

 

 

Either that, or it would lead to mass chaos in the country. Worst case scenario is that someone even worse than the North Korean government manages to get their hands on the nukes...

 

 

 

I think we have to try for diplomatic relations as long as possible. Personally, I think that Kim Jong Il is waiting for a nifty incentives package to be thrown his way, and that he hopes this test will encourage even better offers. I think that once he gets the best one he can, he'll back off and take what he can get.

 

 

 

This is the extremely hopeful view of things - if it doesn't seem to be working out, well, other ideas would be considered.

[Random]

NK coundn't invade themselves out of a cardbord box, we're talking about a country that is short of everything, from fule to food. I mean they can't even propably supply bases inside their own borders, how are they going to maintain a supply line if they try to invade SK?

[jak722]

This thread was made last year... :-k

[apinagez]

This thread was made last year... :-k

 

 

 

Then that's why I had already seen those NK pictures before. :lol:

[darkmage099]

 

 

 

 

 

 

bush is a dumb wagon ..im american ..was behind him til his second term. all he wants to do is put U.S on bottom of food chart so his lil saudi buddies can kill us all

 

 

 

 

 

bottom of food chart, what the heck is that supposed to mean??

 

 

 

Has he let up on terrorists at all??

 

Ah yeah so what day was Bin laden caught then?

 

 

 

bin laden, multi-billionaire, head of the worlds' largest terrorist organization, isnt exactly easy to catch...

 

at least he caught saddam, give him credit for that. he is also doing a good job in the middle east, lots of countries are making steps towards democracy. there is alot of hype against him, but if you look at bush's years in office objectively, youll see hes done a decent job with foreign affairs.

 

 

 

Alright dude. We have satellite that can detect an ant from outer space. Yet we cant track a 7ft tall arab with a dialases cord hanging from his back! We found Saddam in a hole, I'm sure we can find Bin Laden in a cave. It's just a big conspiracy. Busg as been a negative to the U.S.A. I, personally, think that it was his father, who got humiliated in his term, that told him to do this or was part of it. Oh and the oil there.

 

 

 

 

 

So wait wait. What did Saddam have to do with the death of 2000+ Americans? I woulda thought that unless there was another agenda he might have actually gone after the one that killed the americans... Rather than having 10x+ the amount of troops in a country that as of yet has not effected america...

 

 

 

Before the invasion, bush had evidence that saddam had weapons of mass destruction, which could be supplied to terrorists and then used against the united states.

 

 

 

although we now all know that there were probably no such weapons, no1 could tell for sure before the iraqi war. so bush had 2 choices:

 

1. sit on his hands and hope that the intelligence is false

 

2. attack iraq and eliminate the threat

 

 

 

he chose the latter

 

 

 

i didnt support invading iraq a few years ago, but people were scared after 9/11. (the public demands silly things when they are scared. what do you think the reaction wouldve been if it turned out that one of saddams missiles was used on new york?) so i dont blame bush for what he did.

 

things arnt turning out too bad in the middle east...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you make it sound like he had no choice. Isnt a world leader supposed to KNOW about why he's going to war no just "oh i THINK they MIGHT have it so lets just go ahead and kill em so we can be sure.

 

 

 

we should strike first at full force so no soilder deploement is needed.... becuase we need our full focus put on iraq.

 

You sound a bigger idiot than that President of yours.

 

Seriously, what the hell. What the smegging hell compelled you to say that?

 

 

 

lmfao +1

[Not]

Well, China and the United Nations (which the U.S. was a member of) did clash during the Korean War. After the surprise Inchon Landing, North Korea was getting pounded by the UN forces. The North Korean's retreated back up to Pyongyang (NK Capital) and China stepped in, mainly because China feared that if North Korea fell to the UN, then the Chinese border would be threatened also. The Chinese+North Koreans eventually drove the UN out of Pyongyang and North Korea and back down to South Korea, where the war remained a stalemate, and a treaty was signed.

 

 

 

A peace Treaty was never signed to end the Korean Conflict, only a cease-fire was agreed upon which is different than a treaty.

 

 

 

And so it appears another country will be enslaved by international bankers.

[Zonorhc]

The JSDF has recently been licensed to produce ABMs. I believe that if Pyongyang decides to launch any missiles in America's direction, the Japanese would NOT appreciate having any of those fly over their heads - which they WILL, considering that Japan is directly under the flight path of any missiles Kim Jong Il might decide to fire off. With Japan's shiny current and upcoming ABMs, I wouldn't be surprised to see most of those missiles shot down as soon as the crap alarm goes off when they're picked up by surveillance.

 

 

 

North Korea causing a racket in East Asia by rattling its nuclear sabre brings up the point of China, which, as people have said, is a superpower. It's in the middle of a huge economic boom which pretty much relies on regional stability to keep it going.

 

 

 

What happens if Pyongyang decides to shake things up? China flicks the switch and they lose power and food. The fact that Beijing and Washington are still at odds over the Taiwan issue doesn't stop anyone getting ticked off if a North Korean dictator decides to upset things in the region further.

[Pandaman115]

If someone hasn't said this:

 

 

 

I think I saw on the news that North Korea tested a long range bomb, and it only landed in the Japan or Korean Sea, w\e.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know if that's it, though.

[fgfuyfyuiuy0]

I thought I saw on the news that they were going to shoot other missles at them to blow them up in mid-air. Like when they're in space after being launched.

[cupcake]

They are actually forming a musical group

 

 

 

 

 

Tip it, meet

 

 

 

The Kim Jong Il Crew

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://kimjongilcrew.ytmnd.com/

[Tigra00]

They are actually forming a musical group

 

 

 

 

 

Tip it, meet

 

 

 

The Kim Jong Il Crew

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://kimjongilcrew.ytmnd.com/

 

 

 

...Not...funny..?

[reddawn509]

Hmm..interesting idea. China vs US as a result from North Korean nuclear ambitions? Very possible.

 

 

 

Anyhow, Bush is in Red Square today for VE Day remembrances. Kind of odd don't you think? Bush sitting tight in Red Square amongst 27+ million Russians, who are veterans, meaning they are probably all commies :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

meh bush tohuhgt "commies" was another word for "pastry" so he went there for free food..thanks bush :roll:..when he heard it was about veterans he was like "really?.......damn...." :x

[Faux]

This thread was made last year... :-k

 

 

 

Then that's why I had already seen those NK pictures before. :lol:

 

 

 

Doofus.

[redserpent4]

I think its high time the american nation realises she is no longer the worlds super power. China has far more influence over this sort of thing. If America doesn't like the Korean issue, she might impose trade sanctions or whatever, to which the North Koreans will effectively raise 2 fingers.

 

However if China decides that Kim Jong Il has had his fun and want to make him stop, he will have no choice. Economic Sanctions from China would devastate North Korea.

 

 

 

basically if america decide to work with china on this sort of thing, i will sleep happier and safer at night.

[00 Quanta]

I wish Bush was never president, none of these crap would happen...

[pianofrieak2]

I think its high time the american nation realises she is no longer the worlds super power. China has far more influence over this sort of thing. If America doesn't like the Korean issue, she might impose trade sanctions or whatever, to which the North Koreans will effectively raise 2 fingers.

 

However if China decides that Kim Jong Il has had his fun and want to make him stop, he will have no choice. Economic Sanctions from China would devastate North Korea.

 

 

 

basically if america decide to work with china on this sort of thing, i will sleep happier and safer at night.

 

 

 

Oh, come on now. Bush has been trying to deal with the whole North Korea thing ever since he invaded Iraq, calling it one of the three most dangerous nations in the world. If you actually think that working with China or the UN will do anything, think again.

 

 

 

China hates the United States. Always have. They merely tolerate America because so much of our economies are dependent upon each other. If either of us goes to war, our economies go back to the ration state of World War II. (As an American, I say that we are way too materialistic...I wouldn't mind seeing some of that break away).

 

 

 

Dealing with the UN has been total crap because Russia and China are against sanctions. Ironically sanctions are the only thing the UN can do besides slapping North Korea on the wrist.

 

 

 

But then again, the entire UN thing is such a total waste of money and time, the world would do better just to move the entire building onto some God-forsaken island. I would say start over, but then we get one global bureaucracy which is even worse than what we have right now in the world.

 

 

 

George Bush has a lot of things on his hands. North Korea v. South Korea, China v. Taiwan and the US, the Middle East with Israel completely obliterating any Palestinian efforts to stop them, and Russia waiting to see what it will do.

 

 

 

The big thing about North Korea is that their missiles might have the capability to cross the ocean and hit the Californian coast. I know, I said might, but then again, the military keeps top-secret stuff from the press. If it can that is. Star Wars? Think again. It has a success rate of 60%, hardly what I would call dependable. Blowing it up over the ocean? Well, trying to hit a moving missle is pretty hard, but what about the nuclear effects blowing over? The best thing we can hope for is giant tomatoes in 40 years, like Japan has right now.

 

 

 

Right now, the United States has a large military force in that area defending Taiwan and South Korea. It has kept China and North Korea at bay so far, but time will only tell how much longer they will keep building up their forces without attacking.

[redserpent4]

"Oh, come on now. Bush has been trying to deal with the whole North Korea thing ever since he invaded Iraq, calling it one of the three most dangerous nations in the world. If you actually think that working with China or the UN will do anything, think again."

 

 

 

China, let us not forget, is already a global superpower. She is also the closest nation to North Korea sharing a large border. Of course working with China will help! China has the most muscle in that area, and a great deal of diplomatic muscle in the world. As i said, America are no longer the dominant world power...sorry guys.

 

 

 

"China hates the United States. Always have. They merely tolerate America because so much of our economies are dependent upon each other. If either of us goes to war, our economies go back to the ration state of World War II. (As an American, I say that we are way too materialistic...I wouldn't mind seeing some of that break away)."

 

 

 

I dont remember China "always" having hated America, same side in world war 2... I think it's actually been since the communist takeover in 1949 that relations between the two countries declined. The communist government in China probably wont hold power for more than a decade or so, the country is wealthy and the people are not. So perhaps now is a good opportunity to build on important realtions, America's days of singular world dominance are ove, it would be wise to further relations with the future superower on Earth.

 

 

 

"Dealing with the UN has been total crap because Russia and China are against sanctions. Ironically sanctions are the only thing the UN can do besides slapping North Korea on the wrist."

 

 

 

The UN is admittedly underpowered, my suggestion would not be to put as much faith in the UN as much as to put faith in diplomacy with China. I'm not striving for democracy or communism, I'm striving for a greater chance of averting nuclear war.

 

 

 

"But then again, the entire UN thing is such a total waste of money and time, the world would do better just to move the entire building onto some God-forsaken island. I would say start over, but then we get one global bureaucracy which is even worse than what we have right now in the world."

 

 

 

The UN is the best conceivable way to get nations to talk to one another, lose that and we step ever closer to disputes being settled by war.

 

 

 

"George Bush has a lot of things on his hands. North Korea v. South Korea, China v. Taiwan and the US, the Middle East with Israel completely obliterating any Palestinian efforts to stop them, and Russia waiting to see what it will do."

 

 

 

Ok, poor Mr president...Oh, wait, thats his job. Besides Israel might not be able to obliterate Palestinian civilians if America stopped selling weapons to them. Israel vs Palestine began because of cold war tentions, America helped Israel fight Egypt and other neighbouring nations and due to US backing became very strong.

 

 

 

"The big thing about North Korea is that their missiles might have the capability to cross the ocean and hit the Californian coast. I know, I said might, but then again, the military keeps top-secret stuff from the press. If it can that is. Star Wars? Think again. It has a success rate of 60%, hardly what I would call dependable. Blowing it up over the ocean? Well, trying to hit a moving missle is pretty hard, but what about the nuclear effects blowing over? The best thing we can hope for is giant tomatoes in 40 years, like Japan has right now."

 

 

 

I'm not saying Kim Jong Il should have the weapons he does, as many people say, he is a head case. But he has them, and he can hit America with them, but at the same time America can hit almost anywhere in the world with theirs, can you honestly say N. Korea have no reason or justification to say they have them for defense? And at least America has detterants, be grateful for that.

 

 

 

"Right now, the United States has a large military force in that area defending Taiwan and South Korea. It has kept China and North Korea at bay so far, but time will only tell how much longer they will keep building up their forces without attacking."

 

 

 

You honestly think China intends to invade her neighbours? I don't, modern communists usually follow the ideals of peaceful co-existance rather than agressive spreading of political ideals.

 

Ever considered this "build up of forces" might be as much a detterent as America's forces in the area?

 

 

 

Like I said, America have to firstly realise they can no longer dictate world events and second that they need to be on at least first name terms with China.

[petey]

my thoughts, Bush is gonna save us all, and the liberal media is gonna twist it into some kinda crap like they usually do, making him look like the bad guy, and further lowering their ratings..

 

 

 

my thoughts...bush is a spunge, pfft i hope he dies of alchy poison in russia.

 

 

 

EDIT ~ these are my thoughts so dont get upset and higgledy piggledy about em.

[MasterMarduk]

Well, USA has nuclear bombs too haven't they. And North-Koreans might be communist country and don't know that much about it, but I don't think they are so stupid they would go blasting nuclear bombs. At that point they would get attacked and they know as well as we do that nuclear bombs have terrible consicuenses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

One very major problem with that lol

 

 

 

North korea is super poor lol so If ither they get desperate or theres a governmental collapse then there will be loose nukes for sale to the highest bidder.

[apinagez]

This thread was made last year... :-k

 

 

 

Then that's why I had already seen those NK pictures before. :lol:

 

 

 

Doofus.

 

 

 

Oh, and that happens to be in the groovyest post in the entire forum. :mrgreen:

[MasterMarduk]

North Korea should be allowed to possess Nuclear weaponry. The country faces a very real threat from invasion, and hence should have a right to defend itself as it sees necesary.

 

 

 

Whether North Korea should have the system it does today or not is another matter entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

The less nukes the better.

 

 

 

So u want 3rd world countries that are dirt poor and whos people are starving to have nukes so they feel better?

 

 

 

The nukeclear detorent is a joke anymore. If one person used them even if a person was invading it still would lead to M.A.D..

[runepaladn]

i say let korea test away....it's better we know about it than it be done secretly. bush is an idiot and if he does anything....germany here i come!

 

 

 

we need a democrat in office by 2008 or for god's sake i'm going to europe...the us will just suck with another republican

 

 

 

back to north korea, they need nukes to protect themselves from the us if we have another idiot republican super-reagan [developmentally delayed].

 

 

 

so nuke away and have fun kim jong iil!

[MasterMarduk]

My personal thoughs on bush is hes a moron

 

 

 

 

 

but that said, I feel the wars In afghanistan and Iraq Where both needed

 

 

 

afghanistan was completely justified and correct actions after 911

 

 

 

Iraq was quite a bit less justified but I feel the worlds a better place without him.

 

 

 

 

 

Now only If north Korea's leader was gone

 

 

 

and

 

 

 

the Iranian people put there votes where there beliefs are The world would be a bit nicer place.

[MasterMarduk]

i say let korea test away....it's better we know about it than it be done secretly. bush is an idiot and if he does anything....germany here i come!

 

 

 

we need a democrat in office by 2008 or for god's sake i'm going to europe...the us will just suck with another republican

 

 

 

back to north korea, they need nukes to protect themselves from the us if we have another idiot republican super-reagan mentally challenged.

 

 

 

so nuke away and have fun kim jong iil!

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldnt mind going to war with them even if I had to go myself in a draft.

 

 

 

North Korea is in shambles, they are held together with supplies from china and S Korea.

 

 

 

There people are starving and dying As I type this. He didnt kill then like saddam but he might as well be with the numbers of people dying there daily. Maybr if they didnt spend so much money on weapons and military there people wouldnt be starving.

 

 

 

Just a though :wink:

[runepaladn]

My personal thoughs on bush is hes a moron

 

 

 

 

 

but that said, I feel the wars In afghanistan and Iraq Where both needed

 

 

 

afghanistan was completely justified and correct actions after 911

 

 

 

Iraq was quite a bit less justified but I feel the worlds a better place without him.

 

 

 

 

 

Now only If north Korea's leader was gone

 

 

 

and

 

 

 

the Iranian people put there votes where there beliefs are The world would be a bit nicer place.

 

 

 

iraq and afghanistan justified? are you freaking kidding me? are you seriously joking? omg how can you believe that? have you ever been there? i've been to pakistan, went there by myself and lived with cousins and stuff for 2 months... you have no idea how much they were poed cuz of iraq + afghanistan. they love the us but hate our politics.

 

 

 

iranian ppl putting votes where beliefs are? they already are omg.....

 

i know ppl tht lived in iran and they support their gov 100% even the new hammas one. i'm personally against it, but if the people there want it, then let them. hammas may be horrible for us, but for the iranian people they're not that bad. they do massive charity work and stuff( not trying to glorify hammas, just showing both points of view).

 

 

 

and seriously, let north korea have nukes, you are correct with kim jong il needign to spend less on war and stuff and feed his people, but n. korea needs nukes as does every other country in the rest of the world.