Taverly update

[Skully]

They don't get summoning. They don't deserve that or anything else, all they do deserve it to have their accounts reset.

[ddaanniiellh]

They don't get summoning. They don't deserve that or anything else, all they do deserve it to have their accounts reset.

 

Personally, I hate your type of people...(P2P supremacist), who think that F2P is like the scum of the earth, and provide absolutely no valid argument with your statements.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure at one point or another, you bought items from a F2per, especially raw materials. They are not useless, and as of a matter in fact, I'm proud to announce that i'm going back to F2P in 96 more days.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

[Edit]:

 

Whoops, forgot to respond to the actual topic. Tbh, I don't care if Taverly and summoning is opened to F2P or not. But, i've decided not to train it if its not F2P/P2P (Don't bother asking why, i'm not explaining).

[Bobbington]

They don't get summoning. They don't deserve that or anything else, all they do deserve it to have their accounts reset.

 

Personally, I hate your type of people...(P2P supremacist), who think that F2P is like the scum of the earth, and provide absolutely no valid argument with your statements.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure at one point or another, you bought items from a F2per, especially raw materials. They are not useless, and as of a matter in fact, I'm proud to announce that i'm going back to F2P in 96 more days.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

[Edit]:

 

Whoops, forgot to respond to the actual topic. Tbh, I don't care if Taverly and summoning is opened to F2P or not. But, i've decided not to train it if its not F2P/P2P (Don't bother asking why, i'm not explaining).

 

 

 

From my standing point, I think F2P shouldn't get this update..... party because they don't pay and all that standard stuff, but not for the same reasons most people say that.

 

 

 

At the end of the day jagex is a business and needs to encorage membership, currently F2P only receives updates if it is important for the running of the game (Ge, bounty hunter etc) or if it can cause no damage to membership.

 

 

 

 

 

In the case of Summoning by creating this massive skill for free players would greatly decrease the amount free players would wish to become members for several months.

 

 

 

It would basically end up costing the company allot of money. From a business view F2P should not get summoning....

 

 

 

 

 

Having said that it is nice when they get stuff :)

[ddaanniiellh]

^^ Thats still a sufficiently better argument than what the other guy provided.

 

 

 

I understand the don't pay argument, I was f2p for over 2 yrs, I don't worry about getting updates. However, I'm more worried about F2P vs P2P balance being disturbed. If summoning affects combat in the way, atk, str, def does, and F2P does not get it, there will be a gap between F2pers and Members on f2p.

 

 

 

However, this can be easily fixed if Combat was calculated differently (So, having 99 atk, str, def, hp etc would give 138 cb, instead of 126) and summoning raised combat like Magic/Range did, I wouldn't mind if it was P2P and like that.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

[SirHartlar]

I personally think F2P won't recieve Summoning, members pay for these sorts of updates and it would be unfair to implement such a huge update in the game and give it to those that don't pay. The members features are there so you have to pay for them, all previous skills added haven't been F2P (Slayer, Farming, Hunter, Construction) so I can't see Summoning being free unless F2P get a "half-skill" such as Runecrafting.

[Aquashock]

They don't get summoning. They don't deserve that or anything else, all they do deserve it to have their accounts reset.

 

Personally, I hate your type of people...(P2P supremacist), who think that F2P is like the scum of the earth, and provide absolutely no valid argument with your statements.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure at one point or another, you bought items from a F2per, especially raw materials. They are not useless, and as of a matter in fact, I'm proud to announce that i'm going back to F2P in 96 more days.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

[Edit]:

 

Whoops, forgot to respond to the actual topic. Tbh, I don't care if Taverly and summoning is opened to F2P or not. But, i've decided not to train it if its not F2P/P2P (Don't bother asking why, i'm not explaining).

 

 

 

P2p supremacist? It is a GAME, that we the consumers (aka members) pay for. I'm all for charity, but I don't want my money going towards updates for F2P. Lately they got SoS, GE, Duel Arena, and now you want them to get summoning? Thats enough time and effort going into F2P, which we are basically the ones paying for an update every week or two.

[ddaanniiellh]

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They don't get summoning. They don't deserve that or anything else, all they do deserve it to have their accounts reset.

 

Personally, I hate your type of people...(P2P supremacist), who think that F2P is like the scum of the earth, and provide absolutely no valid argument with your statements.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure at one point or another, you bought items from a F2per, especially raw materials. They are not useless, and as of a matter in fact, I'm proud to announce that i'm going back to F2P in 96 more days.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

[Edit]:

 

Whoops, forgot to respond to the actual topic. Tbh, I don't care if Taverly and summoning is opened to F2P or not. But, i've decided not to train it if its not F2P/P2P (Don't bother asking why, i'm not explaining).

[/hide]

 

 

 

P2p supremacist? It is a GAME, that we the consumers (aka members) pay for. I'm all for charity, but I don't want my money going towards updates for F2P. Lately they got SoS, GE, Duel Arena, and now you want them to get summoning? Thats enough time and effort going into F2P, which we are basically the ones paying for an update every week or two.

 

I'll give you a chance to read my other post...before responding to this...

 

~Ddaanniiellh

[Exe16p]

I was a bit bored so i used the RS map to design want Taverly might look like it if becomes F2p. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

It has Burthrope blocked off and white wolf mountain. \

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Ravenkana]

They don't get summoning. They don't deserve that or anything else, all they do deserve it to have their accounts reset.

 

Personally, I hate your type of people...(P2P supremacist), who think that F2P is like the scum of the earth, and provide absolutely no valid argument with your statements.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure at one point or another, you bought items from a F2per, especially raw materials. They are not useless, and as of a matter in fact, I'm proud to announce that i'm going back to F2P in 96 more days.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

[Edit]:

 

Whoops, forgot to respond to the actual topic. Tbh, I don't care if Taverly and summoning is opened to F2P or not. But, i've decided not to train it if its not F2P/P2P (Don't bother asking why, i'm not explaining).

 

 

 

P2p supremacist? It is a GAME, that we the consumers (aka members) pay for. I'm all for charity, but I don't want my money going towards updates for F2P. Lately they got SoS, GE, Duel Arena, and now you want them to get summoning? Thats enough time and effort going into F2P, which we are basically the ones paying for an update every week or two.

Jagex has said that they break even with the ads for F2P... And the recent updates for them were meant to salve the loss of the Wilderness... And have you forgot the Duel Arena Nerf already?

[Sy_Accursed]

I was a bit bored so i used the RS map to design want Taverly might look like it if becomes F2p. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

It has Burthrope blocked off and white wolf mountain. \

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have a few minor critiques

 

 

 

1) Why would opening it to f2p add an extra road to the hot air balloon?

 

 

 

2) Gate on mountian gd idea, cept the big members gate south of dark wiz tower. You need to bloack of entire aread south of taverly.

 

 

 

3) North gate way to far up, it should only open up taverly not the whole alter, guild, under tunnel area.

 

 

 

Other than that it is feasble,but I doubt it'll happen

[Exe16p]

I was a bit bored so i used the RS map to design want Taverly might look like it if becomes F2p. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

It has Burthrope blocked off and white wolf mountain. \

 

 

 

 

 

 

[/img]

 

 

 

I have a few minor critiques

 

 

 

1) Why would opening it to f2p add an extra road to the hot air balloon?

 

 

 

2) Gate on mountian gd idea, cept the big members gate south of dark wiz tower. You need to bloack of entire aread south of taverly.

 

 

 

3) North gate way to far up, it should only open up taverly not the whole alter, guild, under tunnel area.

 

 

 

Other than that it is feasble,but I doubt it'll happen

 

 

 

Well, :-k

 

 

 

1) If you visit F2p worlds after unlocking the air balloons it just a pile of rocks, the path way is just an easier route for members, to travel via the air ballon.

 

 

 

2) They area of land is kinda useless anyway, the tower only serves as a P2P quest area, the dungeon wouldn't be avalible to F2p, and a few extra rocks wouldn't hurt, and seeing as F2p HAVE to walk around the walls of falador, instead of using the agility shortcuts, the rocks would probably be empty.

 

 

 

3)Again it just a plain area of land which would be useless to F2p, then can't enter the heroes guild as the quest is P2p, herbivore's a P2p skill so it basicly some trees and grass for them! \

[wvbattosaivw]

... However, I'm more worried about F2P vs P2P balance being disturbed. If summoning affects combat in the way, atk, str, def does, and F2P does not get it, there will be a gap between F2pers and Members on f2p.

 

 

 

However, this can be easily fixed if Combat was calculated differently (So, having 99 atk, str, def, hp etc would give 138 cb, instead of 126) and summoning raised combat like Magic/Range did, I wouldn't mind if it was P2P and like that.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

There wouldn't be a gap between f2p and p2p. If Summoning is P2P, you won't be able to use it in F2P, just like you can't use a Whip in F2P. Combat level isn't a factor at all. Your combat level isn't what makes you strong, your stats do. There's no "gap".

 

 

 

At first I thought you meant the 12 levels might matter due to Wildy Levels, but then I realized P2P wildy is nonexistant.

 

Revenants are practically a nonissue as well.

[ddaanniiellh]

... However, I'm more worried about F2P vs P2P balance being disturbed. If summoning affects combat in the way, atk, str, def does, and F2P does not get it, there will be a gap between F2pers and Members on f2p.

 

 

 

However, this can be easily fixed if Combat was calculated differently (So, having 99 atk, str, def, hp etc would give 138 cb, instead of 126) and summoning raised combat like Magic/Range did, I wouldn't mind if it was P2P and like that.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

There wouldn't be a gap between f2p and p2p. If Summoning is P2P, you won't be able to use it in F2P, just like you can't use a Whip in F2P. Combat level isn't a factor at all. Your combat level isn't what makes you strong, your stats do. There's no "gap".

 

 

 

At first I thought you meant the 12 levels might matter due to Wildy Levels, but then I realized P2P wildy is nonexistant.

 

Revenants are practically a nonissue as well.

 

Then what about "even" matches and duels, in which 2 level 100s face up against each other, one with summoning levels, but on f2p, while the other does not. The one with no summoning levels will have a upperhand, given that he has Higher non-summoning stats, that he can use in the battle.

 

 

 

Similarly in Bh, if someone has levels due to summoning, he may be forced into a different cavern, making him weaker than other people in that cave.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

[Reverze]

Such a misleading title #-o

 

You got me! :thumbsup: You should put a "?" behind it. :wink:

[wvbattosaivw]

 

Then what about "even" matches and duels, in which 2 level 100s face up against each other, one with summoning levels, but on f2p, while the other does not. The one with no summoning levels will have a upperhand, given that he has Higher non-summoning stats, that he can use in the battle.

 

 

 

Similarly in Bh, if someone has levels due to summoning, he may be forced into a different cavern, making him weaker than other people in that cave.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

Touche. That's not much to worry about though. How many people do you know that go to F2P for BH or Dueling? Not many, I'd imagine.

[Zilla]

If there giving F2p summoning, Give them only Summoning monsters to level 30. I dont wan't them to have all the skill.

[Lordjake]

There's a 0% chance that we'll get the entire skill, most likely it'll be like runecrafting or prayer, where we only have access to like 25% of the trainable methods.

[Omali]

I would imagine that the pet shop in Taverly and the pet shop in Pollnivich are enough proof that, should the skill be f2p, it will only be partially.

[wolfmon56]

People have been getting ahold of Mod Paul too (the co-owner of Runescape) and said that those J Mods are wrong and it will be P2P only.

[Atroxide]

1)I agree with this lol. But it may make switch-world lag (30 seconds I believe) even longer....

 

Actually it wouldn't change it what so ever. Your combat level isn't calculated from the database, every time you switch worlds it doesn't update your combat level and change it in the database. All it does it takes your skills (which is in database) and uses the combat level function to calculate your level.

 

 

 

Think of it like all the worlds for just lootshare, or duel turnys, etc. jest because they are different, it still takes the same amount of time to load.

 

 

 

 

 

Even if the combat lvl was in the database it wouldn't take any longer, It would be able to caculate your new level in milliseconds.

[Sy_Accursed]

I was a bit bored so i used the RS map to design want Taverly might look like it if becomes F2p. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

It has Burthrope blocked off and white wolf mountain. \

 

 

 

 

 

 

[/img]

 

 

 

I have a few minor critiques

 

 

 

1) Why would opening it to f2p add an extra road to the hot air balloon?

 

 

 

2) Gate on mountian gd idea, cept the big members gate south of dark wiz tower. You need to bloack of entire aread south of taverly.

 

 

 

3) North gate way to far up, it should only open up taverly not the whole alter, guild, under tunnel area.

 

 

 

Other than that it is feasble,but I doubt it'll happen

 

 

 

Well, :-k

 

 

 

1) If you visit F2p worlds after unlocking the air balloons it just a pile of rocks, the path way is just an easier route for members, to travel via the air ballon.

 

 

 

2) They area of land is kinda useless anyway, the tower only serves as a P2P quest area, the dungeon wouldn't be avalible to F2p, and a few extra rocks wouldn't hurt, and seeing as F2p HAVE to walk around the walls of falador, instead of using the agility shortcuts, the rocks would probably be empty.

 

 

 

3)Again it just a plain area of land which would be useless to F2p, then can't enter the heroes guild as the quest is P2p, herbivore's a P2p skill so it basicly some trees and grass for them! \

 

 

 

The balloon is nowhere tht symbol and tht road removes the whole "walking around the lak to get to the lady to the lake" concept

 

 

 

As for the other points:

 

 

 

the area style of burthorpe means they wouldn't have a big fence to cut them off from the rest of the world, which is why that one should be further south.

 

 

 

No mountains have random locked gates on them hence that makes no sense.

 

 

 

I stand by if Taverly was made f2p it'd just have its fence completed and a have a couple of stiles for members to get to the north and south areas of there.

[Skilling0wn]

Why don't they just give them Full dragon and whips aswell ? #-o

 

 

 

Sarcasm.

[arrowbld]

a man can dream :D

[DarkVincent]

They don't get summoning. They don't deserve that or anything else, all they do deserve it to have their accounts reset.

 

Personally, I hate your type of people...(P2P supremacist), who think that F2P is like the scum of the earth, and provide absolutely no valid argument with your statements.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure at one point or another, you bought items from a F2per, especially raw materials. They are not useless, and as of a matter in fact, I'm proud to announce that i'm going back to F2P in 96 more days.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

[Edit]:

 

Whoops, forgot to respond to the actual topic. Tbh, I don't care if Taverly and summoning is opened to F2P or not. But, i've decided not to train it if its not F2P/P2P (Don't bother asking why, i'm not explaining).

 

 

 

P2p supremacist? It is a GAME, that we the consumers (aka members) pay for. I'm all for charity, but I don't want my money going towards updates for F2P. Lately they got SoS, GE, Duel Arena, and now you want them to get summoning? Thats enough time and effort going into F2P, which we are basically the ones paying for an update every week or two.

 

Skully IS a P2P supremacist, friend. He is a large stereotyper of F2P and thinks everyone who there is a noob. If someone deserves punishment, it's him, and a perm mute.

 

Getting on topic. My most dear hopes go to Summoning being P2P. The J-Mods seem to have contradicted themselves many times ("It'll be F2P" "Not open for the non-members"), as seen in the screenshots in a certain thread. I've no wish of it being available to me, however I'd not complain if F2P got it.

 

Off topic, stop debating over F2P being a demo. It was RS until Members was released. Saying F2P is a demo of P2P is saying WoW is a demo of Burning Crusade. However, it changes nothing. Being a demo or not, F2P only deserves things paid with the ads.

[SirHartlar]

They don't get summoning. They don't deserve that or anything else, all they do deserve it to have their accounts reset.

 

Personally, I hate your type of people...(P2P supremacist), who think that F2P is like the scum of the earth, and provide absolutely no valid argument with your statements.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure at one point or another, you bought items from a F2per, especially raw materials. They are not useless, and as of a matter in fact, I'm proud to announce that i'm going back to F2P in 96 more days.

 

~Ddaanniiellh

 

 

 

[Edit]:

 

Whoops, forgot to respond to the actual topic. Tbh, I don't care if Taverly and summoning is opened to F2P or not. But, i've decided not to train it if its not F2P/P2P (Don't bother asking why, i'm not explaining).

 

 

 

P2p supremacist? It is a GAME, that we the consumers (aka members) pay for. I'm all for charity, but I don't want my money going towards updates for F2P. Lately they got SoS, GE, Duel Arena, and now you want them to get summoning? Thats enough time and effort going into F2P, which we are basically the ones paying for an update every week or two.

 

Skully IS a P2P supremacist, friend. He is a large stereotyper of F2P and thinks everyone who there is a noob. If someone deserves punishment, it's him, and a perm mute.

 

Getting on topic. My most dear hopes go to Summoning being P2P. The J-Mods seem to have contradicted themselves many times ("It'll be F2P" "Not open for the non-members"), as seen in the screenshots in a certain thread. I've no wish of it being available to me, however I'd not complain if F2P got it.

 

Off topic, stop debating over F2P being a demo. It was RS until Members was released. Saying F2P is a demo of P2P is saying WoW is a demo of Burning Crusade. However, it changes nothing. Being a demo or not, F2P only deserves things paid with the ads.

 

 

 

You don't get to decide who deserves to be punished, he is only stating his opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. It isn't like he is leading a campaign to have all free players lynched, he is just saying they won't be getting Summoning (even if he was a bit over-zealous).

 

Jagex have already stated F2P won't be getting the new skill, and personally I think it was a bit silly for them to expect it considering the last four new skills released have been members only.