One of the reason people find Lucario a weird character to fight is because he is both heavy and light. In the Air Lucario falls at the speed of a semi light character and leaps fairly far but in the ground he slow.

 

That's not wierd at all... although his power up with damage really is.

 

 

EDIT: His tournament results is bad and his metagame hasn't picked up much at all.

 

Aww great -_- Well I don't really care that much for the tier list. I still find him a good character.

Snake has a too good approaching game and he can duck under all the lasers. Everything but arrows he can duck under, and arrows are slow enough to powershield.

 

Ok, but what can he do from there? Dtilt? Falco can SH laser and approach/back jump to confuse the Snake. My brother plays a mean Falco... He can also just run up to you and shield-chaingrab...

 

 

 

 

Actually, I didnt find Snake hard to pick up. I have always had a knack for picking things up quickly, like times and angles

 

Ok, but I bet you the lack of experience makes a huge difference... I mean you only play coms and online, right? You can't get better with that at all. Use proficiently doesn't mean know how all the AT's work, it's the application.

 

 

 

connecting F smashes.

 

Fail. FAIL. FAIL! FAIL!

 

This is in fact the best way to know if your opponent marth knows anything about him. Marth never uses his Fsmash, and you said it's one of the 2 biggest factors of his game. :lol: It's like using a Falcon punch.

 

 

When I said 'not every pro would know how to do the IC's infinity' I meant not every PRO not every IC's Pro.

 

Er... I don't think a Pro who never used Snake even knows how to do a motarslide... If you don't use a character, obviously you won't know how to do his AT's...

 

 

And btw infinite grab releases shouldnt be considered infinities. They dont do anything but stall, no damage except for the quickly worn-out pummels.

 

Worn out pummels that do damage. And infinites aren't considered stalling unless used passed 300%.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aww great -_- Well I don't really care that much for the tier list. I still find him a good character.

 

That was aimed towards DK.

Dude..

 

My friend mains Marth. Has mained Marth since 2001. I'm kinda gonna have to say this goes for both Melee and Brawl Marths.. F smash is strong without being connected, and too strong with being connected. It's not hard to punish with it.

Dude..

 

My friend mains Marth. Has mained Marth since 2001. I'm kinda gonna have to say this goes for both Melee and Brawl Marths.. F smash is strong without being connected, and too strong with being connected. It's not hard to punish with it.

 

My brother mained fox since Super smash 64 came out. Guess what? He sucks. -.-

 

 

 

It's a decent punishing tool, but that's not what you said. You said

his game is just outspacing and connecting F smashes.

which is completely incorrect. His Fsmash is a very unused tool for most of the match. Do you have any idea how much ending lag it has? In fact, Marth's biggest weakness is his lack of KO attacks. Usmash, Fsmash, and his Dsmash all leave him open to anything, including killers.

These arguments never end do they? No one really payed attention to the fact that Mario is going down on the tier list because there aren't many Mario mainers out there.

These arguments never end do they? No one really payed attention to the fact that Mario is going down on the tier list because there aren't many Mario mainers out there.

 

This applies to all lower tiered characters, except maybe Cfalcon... their metagame doesn't evolve because they suck, so they start sucking even more. Sonic soared because of all the active players there, I read a thread about it.

 

 

 

But each character does have an inherited ability... and mario's would be mid-low. When I say inherited ability, I mean how good a character is on a equal playing field.

These arguments never end do they? No one really payed attention to the fact that Mario is going down on the tier list because there aren't many Mario mainers out there.

 

This applies to all lower tiered characters, except maybe Cfalcon... their metagame doesn't evolve because they suck, so they start sucking even more. Sonic soared because of all the active players there, I read a thread about it.

 

 

 

But each character does have an inherited ability... and mario's would be mid-low. When I say inherited ability, I mean how good a character is on a equal playing field.

 

Hopefully this guy's video guide on how to use and own people with Mario can make a difference.

 

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=227634

Tiers are for Queers.

 

 

 

Low tier characters dont suck, they arent played in tourneys because high-tiers are broken.

 

End of.

Tiers are for Queers.

 

 

 

Low tier characters dont suck, they arent played in tourneys because high-tiers are broken.

 

End of.

 

Since theres only 3 tiers high, medium, and low, it's the exact same thing that low tier characters suck and high tier characters are broken.

 

 

 

And I thought you just said tiers aren't for queers...?

These arguments never end do they? No one really payed attention to the fact that Mario is going down on the tier list because there aren't many Mario mainers out there.

 

You care too much about Tiers.

These arguments never end do they? No one really payed attention to the fact that Mario is going down on the tier list because there aren't many Mario mainers out there.

 

You care too much about Tiers.

 

 

 

Yes he does.

 

 

 

I do too, but only because it shows how ignorant and crap "Pro's" must be.

Tiers are for Queers.

 

 

 

Low tier characters dont suck, they arent played in tourneys because high-tiers are broken.

 

End of.

 

Since theres only 3 tiers high, medium, and low, it's the exact same thing that low tier characters suck and high tier characters are broken.

 

Mario doesn't suck. :(

 

These arguments never end do they? No one really payed attention to the fact that Mario is going down on the tier list because there aren't many Mario mainers out there.

 

You care too much about Tiers.

 

I only care about Mario's standing and no one else's. Mario has distinct features on him that should make him at least mid tier.

I havent heard of a "Pro" using a character under 10, other than DK or Falcon :roll:

 

So, I guess Tiers do matter, but tbh, are super dumb.

I do too, but only because it shows how ignorant and crap "Pro's" must be.

 

:lol:

 

 

 

Fail.

 

Seeing as how Ray said "Tiers are for Queers" and then contradicting his statement on his next post by saying "I care about tiers, too" means that he made a huge fail. :lol:

I manage to get into a tourny Top 10 with Lucario, isn't he a low tier character? Doesn't mean he is bad.

 

EDIT: I wanna see this damned tier list!

I manage to get into a tourny Top 10 with Lucario, isn't he a low tier character? Doesn't mean he is bad.

 

EDIT: I wanna see this damned tier list!

 

It's like.... right here:

 

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236407

I manage to get into a tourny Top 10 with Lucario, isn't he a low tier character? Doesn't mean he is bad.

 

EDIT: I wanna see this damned tier list!

 

It's like.... right here:

 

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236407

 

Wow you guys pretty much worship this list huh? It's word is Law.

 

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I havent heard of a "Pro" using a character under 10, other than DK or Falcon :roll:

 

So, I guess Tiers do matter, but tbh, are super dumb.

 

So a ranking of character based on matchups and tournament results are dumb because of the impact it has? Okay...

 

 

 

And... fail. Again.

 

 

 

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

 

 

 

Mario, Jigglypuff, Ness, Ike, Yoshi, Lucario, Wolf, Fox, Zelda, Luigi, ZSS, Sonic, Peach, Kirby, Lucario, DK, Toon link, PT, Pit, Rob, GaW, Olimar, Pikachu, IC, Falco, Marth, Wario, Diddy, DDD, Snake, and MK all won rather large tournaments, aka some pros in there.

 

 

 

 

Matchup lists >>>>>>> tier list.

 

Pretty much sums it up. Tier list isn't really needed, but it gives a broad idea of how good each character is doing.

 

So why do we need to care about the Tier list so freakin much?

 

Need...? I never once requested or agreed with the NEED for a tier list. However, calling questioning it's validity to the point that it's just a random list of names based on popularity is ridiculous.

Funny... I was writing (and still am) my English final essay that's about age and that it has nothing to do with wisdom.

 

 

 

We're in the same grade, it seems. And another November 1993? That's rare... you're the same as me. :thumbsup:

We're in the same grade, it seems. And another November 1993? That's rare... you're the same as me. :thumbsup:

 

Yeah. Except I'm half Korean and you are Japanese.

Mass deletation.

 

Guess we should stop being [bleep]ers

Mass deletation.

 

Guess we should stop being [bleep]ers

 

I definitely agree with you my fellow educated colleague.

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

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HAH HOO HAH.

Mass deletation.

 

Guess we should stop being [bleep]ers

 

Maybe I'll start posting again then.

Mass deletation.

 

Guess we should stop being [bleep]ers

 

Maybe I'll start posting again then.

 

We all know how much you love drama. ;)