I prefer the M1 Carbine's iron sights, which oddly is the only gun that I prefer the iron sights on (except the PPsh, but with steady aim, you don't exactly need to aim down the sights).

I don't know why people fuss about MP40s to be honest, I played a bit tonight and even though I was rusty I still managed to get well above a positive KD ratio using a variety of methods. The game requires you to be able to adapt to different situations, have a camouflage class so that you can flank them if they travel in big groups. I often switch to a rifle class on larger maps as you can sit back behind your team and pick off those in the distance. If you are a truly decent player and you get killed by someone with an MP40, just admit they are also skilled and managed to get one over on you. Of course you can't always avoid those that just spray and pray, but I think that it is an irrelevant argument that the MP40 is overrused when you have ten times more options to outsmart such a gun.

 

 

 

For the record, I haven't gotten a negative KD ratio game since I stepped into a Domination game with enemy dogs chasing me every time I spawn.

 

 

 

I do kill a fair few MP40ers but some just are to far away (I'm addicted to Trench at the moment) and when they see/hear me they start spraying me with bullets before I can hide and switch classes. Then I'm forced to change to Thompson class and I don't want to use it (I'm trying to limit my SMG use for my Most Used Weapons list) and then I can kill them, but I'm not having fun because my only intent is to kill the MP40ers and not blow body parts off with Trench ( :thumbup:).

 

 

 

And to Hobgoblinpie: I used to use the Aperture sight for PPSh, but then I realized how much better the ironsights are and put a drum magazine on it. Worked much better without having to reload inter-shooting.

The Drum Magazine is much more useful, mainly because of the PPsh's amazingly fast fire rate and it's low power, it's one of the few weapons where perks and attachments really (and I mean by a lot) improve it. For example, Stopping power will take around 2 bullets from an MP40 to kill someone not using juggernaut, whereas it would normally be 3. The PPsh takes around 5 to kill someone not using juggernaut, and 3 with stopping power. Thats 33% for the MP40, 40% for the PPsh.

The Drum Magazine is much more useful, mainly because of the PPsh's amazingly fast fire rate and it's low power, it's one of the few weapons where perks and attachments really (and I mean by a lot) improve it. For example, Stopping power will take around 2 bullets from an MP40 to kill someone not using juggernaut, whereas it would normally be 3. The PPsh takes around 5 to kill someone not using juggernaut, and 3 with stopping power. Thats 33% for the MP40, 40% for the PPsh.

 

 

 

So a level 10 SMG is better than a level 53 SMG bullet-wise?

 

 

 

:|

Well, we all knew the MP40 was more powerful, but the PPsh gets more of a benefit from using stopping power than the MP40. This reduction in benefit with the MP40 can be seen by the amount of people using juggernaut, which negates stopping power. So it's a harsh circle, but not that hard to beat.

Well, we all knew the MP40 was more powerful, but the PPsh gets more of a benefit from using stopping power than the MP40, which can be seen by people using juggernaut, which negates stopping power. So it's a harsh circle, but not that hard to beat.

 

 

 

I suppose. It is my favorite gun, too bad it's unlocked at level 53. I'm definitely prestiging the instant I can, I hate this level 4 prestige badge, looks like level 1 prestige. (And the level 5 prestige badge looks great)

I've gained like 3k kills since I was able to prestige again, but I don't want to lose my PPsh, Mosin Nagant, Kar98k and M1A1 Carbine.

I've gained like 3k kills since I was able to prestige again, but I don't want to lose my PPsh, Mosin Nagant, Kar98k and M1A1 Carbine.

 

 

 

Come on! You know you want to prestige!

 

 

 

In other news... Corrosion is the best map for Trench gun + betties.

It is much more balanced, but SMG's still win in Hardcore. They have a very far length of shooting (whatever you call it) and with Iron sighting they arent hard to miss with.

 

I'm sorry, but I'm just not agreeing with you here. Rifles greatly overpower SMG's at true long distances. You're not going to get away with spraying at those kinds of distances, and that's where the rifle takes over. Power and accuracy destroy the SMG at those ranges. MG's, ehh. They still have their weaknesses.

Thought about about pointing out the 3 minutes but didn't want to provoke rage built up from being killed over, over, and over again by MP40ers.

 

 

 

You realise like 40 pages ago or something you were agreeing Treyarch failed when they made SMGs right?

 

 

 

It is much more balanced, but SMG's still win in Hardcore. They have a very far length of shooting (whatever you call it) and with Iron sighting they arent hard to miss with.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but I'm just not agreeing with you here. Rifles greatly overpower SMG's at true long distances. You're not going to get away with spraying at those kinds of distances, and that's where the rifle takes over. Power and accuracy destroy the SMG at those ranges. MG's, ehh. They still have their weaknesses.

 

 

 

I have the Wii version so the X360/PS3/PC version might have made SMGs less effective at far range.

 

When you think about it, an SMG can reach one side of Dome to the other. So can a Rifle. Now, if you vs a sprayer who just shoots at you with no skill, you're going to die. No matter how much you try to avoid it. They spray at walls and everything to get you to die.

 

From one side of Dome, SMG bullets arent weaker than average in hardcore or normal TDM. They still kill in the normal amount of bullets.

Thought about about pointing out the 3 minutes but didn't want to provoke rage built up from being killed over, over, and over again by MP40ers.

 

 

 

You realise like 40 pages ago or something you were agreeing Treyarch failed when they made SMGs right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes but i've had the good sense to stop playing the game apart from zombies. And I haven't filled 100 pages whining about the game.

Neither have I. Only like 30 ;)

 

But you just post in here to flame people, especially me. So why do you even post here? Nothing logical or helping the thread

Today I was playing on Makin using the M1 class I had to get up it's kills. I didn't have time before the game to fix up the class so it had the rifle grenade, I had 2 great kills with it. One was across the map seeing as I was bored and just shot it over all the buildings and it killed someone. The other kill was a shot at someone which got me a triple kill. After that game I switched it to flash hider, but that was a fun game. :3

 

Also got the multi-frag and special delivery challenges done on Airfield in HQ. Thought I had a frag grenade, so I chucked it into that narrow room on the edge of the map that the HQ can spawn in. It indicated I hit someone, so I thought it just damaged someone, then it killed 2 people and I realised it was the sticky, the hit was it just sticking to someone. :

Its so funny trapping a low leveled teammate in a corner so they can't do anything for a whole game.

I trap guys in the corner of zombies if they steal my kills.

Valeyard, how many Zombies maps do you have? Which would translate to: How many map packs have you bought?

None. Im not paying full price for just the zombie maps. If they lower the price at some point i'll buy them. The cod4 variety map pack was lowered in price a few times, Treyarch will probably lower it after MW2 comes out and the amount of people playing it drops like a stone.

Vale why do you have CoD:WaW as your most-posted thread? It takes up over 1/3 of your total post count.

 

Which means 1/4 of your total post count is completely useless? :|

Vale why do you have CoD:WaW as your most-posted thread? It takes up over 1/3 of your total post count.

 

Which means 1/4 of your total post count is completely useless? :|

 

As is this post

Vale why do you have CoD:WaW as your most-posted thread? It takes up over 1/3 of your total post count.

 

Which means 1/4 of your total post count is completely useless? :|

 

As is this post

 

 

 

And yours.

 

 

 

Unspam: Molotov cocktails suck. I was using them for the challenges and they're slow and ineffective. 2400 exp until I get my beloved PPSh-41 back!

Vale why do you have CoD:WaW as your most-posted thread? It takes up over 1/3 of your total post count.

 

Which means 1/4 of your total post count is completely useless? :|

 

As is this post

 

 

 

And yours.

 

 

 

Unspam: Molotov cocktails suck. I was using them for the challenges and they're slow and ineffective. 2400 exp until I get my beloved PPSh-41 back!

 

They're good in HQ, just launch it where the HQ is if you have no guys there as there will almost always be someone there. The best part is they explode on impact, so there is no warning for them, and you don't have to time it like the frag, or keep it in the air for just under the fuse timer like with the sticky.

Vale why do you have CoD:WaW as your most-posted thread? It takes up over 1/3 of your total post count.

 

Which means 1/4 of your total post count is completely useless? :|

 

As is this post

 

 

 

Well you're obviously smart ;)

 

 

 

3r, if you use a Molotov I think you can hold it for ages. I dont know since I dont use but they do own sometimes. Takes ALOT of skill and they're very situational

I was raping with the STG until I got a message alert on MSN, I had my computer speakers on because I was listening to music.

 

I was playing HQ on Dome, and the first spot it spawned on was that rather open space in the middle. I started off with my M1 class, then switched to MP40 after my 1st death so we could get that spot, I gave up after 5 deaths with no kills and switched to STG with tele sight, betties, stopping power and deep impact. I got dogs after a bit and the host ends the game 5 seconds later, 14 kills 8 deaths.

 

 

 

That's right, had I started off with STG I would have gotten 14 kills with 3 deaths. Probably would have gotten more kills and the Star Player challenge. -.-

I'm spending a lot of time in the CallofDuty.com forums.

 

 

 

Here's my thread: http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtop ... 0&t=169737

 

 

 

I consider it a success because it's made it to 3 pages of posts in under a day. :)

Wow the MP40 gets you that angry.