Item Lending and RWT - A Close Relationship

[HistoriK]

Yesterday, Jagex released the Item Lending update, which has drastically changed the way a player "owns" an item. In the old system, before the imbalanced trading updates came into play, you would only lend an item to someone you trusted 100%. You had to trust the person, because they could just as easily run away with what you lent them. This gave meaning to lending people items, it made things much more personal. Nowadays, you can lend any item to any random player without having any doubt of whether or not they'll get it back. People can borrow a God Sword without even having the requirements to wield one. People can borrow a Party Hat on a level 3 they created 2 minutes ago. No one around you can even tell if you've borrowed the item, or if it's simply been provided by another player.

 

 

 

Players who have worked hard to get their Party Hats and other valuable items are obviously feeling as if their achievements have been devalued. It seems to be a massive contradiction on Jagex's part, who claimed that RWT devalued players' achievements of wealth, yet it is now possible to borrow any trade-able item in the game without providing collateral of any kind. When a player purchases an item on the Black Market, they at least suffer a real life loss of wealth, whereas random players who borrow items suffer no losses whatsoever.

 

 

 

It just seems like Jagex is flopping back and forth through hypocrisy. On one hand, they say that all player wealth should remain attached to the player, and should not be sold / traded in any way. On the other hand, they have made a system that allows any player access to every item, for free, so long as the owner agrees to lend the item out. This has already created a market of people charging for their lent items. I see people lending Blue Party Hats for 2-3 bucks a day, people lending Godswords for 1-2 bucks a day. How could you ever catch the people doing this? The system facilitates a new form of RWT, one which is virtually indistinguishable from a free rental.

[1canadian1]

Most people bought GP which you cant lend. If you did you wouldnt be able to spend it anyways.

 

 

 

Not like they can keep the item forever without having to keep re-paying them, which eventually the buyer will stop doing. But, I do see what you're getting at.

[Latinoking]

24 hours constantly every day? Either the buyer or the RWT will get tired of trading I presume.

 

 

 

Either way, Jagex has stopped RWT for good in some aspect.

[luker2d2]

The people who buy the items to lend would need money in the game. The people who get lent them need real money. The people who recive the money in return for the lending of an item would've needed to play for a long time to get half decent items to lend.

 

 

 

Although I could see a buiness I can't see it as being much as some generous people out there may just do it for free.

 

 

 

Luker2d2

[fubol]

I see what you mean but honestly , Jagex wont be trapped again...

 

 

 

The rwters are gone ;)

[salim123]

they are prob gonna btu a cap on this so the lended item cannot give u any exp or somthing like that

[Fromfirst2Last1987]

the whole reason why item lending should be turned into item renting so there is some form of loss

[HistoriK]

I see what you mean but honestly , Jagex wont be trapped again...

 

 

 

The rwters are gone ;)

 

 

 

First of all, there is still RWTing going on. It's more complicated, but trust me, it's still going on.

[luker2d2]

I see what you mean but honestly , Jagex wont be trapped again...

 

 

 

The rwters are gone ;)

 

 

 

First of all, there is still RWTing going on. It's more complicated, but trust me, it's still going on.

 

 

 

How excatly?

[HoMM88]

I see what you mean but honestly , Jagex wont be trapped again...

 

 

 

The rwters are gone ;)

 

 

 

First of all, there is still RWTing going on. It's more complicated, but trust me, it's still going on.

 

 

 

How excatly?

 

 

 

- Gold sales

 

-- Bounty Hunter

 

-- Gold farming

 

-- Party Room

 

-- Secret methods (I know some, not telling)

 

- Account sales

 

- Powerleveling (mostly by the Chinese as a job)

[Zierro]

- Gold sales

 

-- Bounty Hunter

 

-- Gold farming

 

-- Party Room

 

-- Secret methods (I know some, not telling)

 

- Account sales

 

- Powerleveling (mostly by the Chinese as a job)

 

 

 

None of those are nearly as bad as when people would just trade 30M right then and there. It's still possible, but it's about 10 times less convenient now.

 

 

 

Anyways, RWT and item lending are different. Trading =/= Lending. A trade is a permanent, and lend is not. Does it make me rich if I rent a sports car for a day? I don't think so. Also, not every item can be traded. Players would trade massive amounts of gold and then buy things to help train their skills - you cannot do that with lending.

[seraphiii]

 

 

 

- Gold sales

 

-- Bounty Hunter

 

-- Gold farming

 

-- Party Room

 

-- Secret methods (I know some, not telling)

 

- Account sales

 

- Powerleveling (mostly by the Chinese as a job)

 

 

 

Don't forget botted high-levels running you through GWD with coinshare, Junk trading, etc.

[tintin113]

Unless you have a good friend with a phat, good luck getting one on a lvl 3 you just created. If he was your best friend he could have given it to you before just as easily as he could give it to you now. People were always able to lend things and nobody I know loans good items to people they don't know even now. I don't really think much has changed except that they have eliminated the possibility of scamming.

[War_Junky_91]

 

-- Secret methods (I know some, not telling)

 

 

I tend not to belive people who say that, if you do methods tell us so we can get rid of them unless your keeping them secret just to use them for yourself?

[goat62494]

 

-- Secret methods (I know some, not telling)

 

 

I tend not to belive people who say that, if you do methods tell us so we can get rid of them unless your keeping them secret just to use them for yourself?

 

I completely agree with you.

[Zaaps1]

I hope they add some sort of in-game time check. What I mean is you must have known the person for X amount of time (eg. on each other's friends' lists).

[evil_mumm_ra]

 

-- Secret methods (I know some, not telling)

 

 

I tend not to belive people who say that, if you do methods tell us so we can get rid of them unless your keeping them secret just to use them for yourself?

 

I completely agree with you.

 

 

 

um, no. he can't say because it breaks jagex's rules, and thusly tip.it's rules too.

[mario_sunny]

The rwters are gone ;)

 

 

 

I love how terribly wrong you are.

 

 

 

Ever heard of bh transfering? How about account leveling?

[War_Junky_91]

um, no. he can't say because it breaks jagex's rules, and thusly tip.it's rules too.

 

He could just mention them in passing and not detail them, such as people mention using BH for rwt, and they don't get banned for that.

[HistoriK]

um, no. he can't say because it breaks jagex's rules, and thusly tip.it's rules too.

 

He could just mention them in passing and not detail them, such as people mention using BH for rwt, and they don't get banned for that.

 

 

 

Listen, the specific way RWT is done is irrelevant to this post. The fact is, it is still done, albeit nowhere near the same magnitude as before. Personally, I am a supporter of RWT, I don't think it has a direct negative effect on the game. I think Jagex has proved this by their implementation of lending items, because if they truly believed a player should personally earn every item they have, then they would not have created this system.

 

 

 

It just seems ironic that they made a Development Diary which focused on devaluing of achievements, and then throw out an update where random players can lend each other any item without providing collateral or taking a risk.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I don't think it has a direct negative effect on the game.

 

It has a clear negative impact on the game because it makes the whole skill-raising system unfair.

 

 

 

I think Jagex has proved this by their implementation of lending items, because if they truly believed a player should personally earn every item they have, then they would not have created this system.

 

Jagex did not remove unbalanced trading so everyone had to personally earn every single little item they get. We still have MTK. You're not exactly earning items there through work are you?

 

 

 

They did it because they felt it was unfair that, while RWT existed, richer people in the real world would always have an advantage over people they were up against in RuneScape. Even if you don't believe this is wrong, it is still unfair.

 

 

 

and then throw out an update where random players can lend each other any item without providing collateral or taking a risk.

 

Many people charge for people to borrow their items. If not, it's usually because the two parties involved are friends with each other (shock). It's not like everyone's out there giving BGSs to Level 3 skillers just for the sheer hell of it.

 

 

 

I'll wait 'till the novelty of this update has died down, and see if people are still doing it anywhere near to the scale you've made out.

[spooferfish]

24 hours constantly every day? Either the buyer or the RWT will get tired of trading I presume.

 

 

 

Either way, Jagex has stopped RWT for good in some aspect.

 

 

 

There is still RWT. I'm not going to go into details, this isn't the place for it. But its there.

 

 

 

I've been telling people to pay me to use my stuff though..mainly to get them to leave me alone. I like that kinda trading :D

[Brawleyman19]

So here's a good question: what happens to lent items when the lendee dies? If they go back to the lender, wouldn't it be a good idea to switch items with a friend before going to GWD or KBD so that there's absolutely no risk of loss of valuble armor? Or is that just too good of a possibility to be true?

[Niall_Kay]

The lent item is protected over any other item, it doesnt protect one extra item sadly. For example, you were holding 4 new crystal bows, and lend a bronze scimitar, and you use the protect item prayer, then one of the crystal bows will still be lost, the bronze scimitar having the highest priority of protection. A lent item will be protected over any other of your own items.