Gun Control

[Ginger_Warrior]

Lol @ people who trust the government too much

 

 

 

They can't even keep Mexicans from crossing the border, you think they can stop guns?

 

 

 

Morons

 

Of course there will always be immigrants and weapons that slip the net. Who said otherwise? Moron.

 

 

 

The aim is to remove the gun culture. I'm not saying the UK is gun-free at all. I could go out on the street now and get a gun for £50.00 (and I'm not joking, I know exactly who to talk to). Half of all youths in this country feel the same way. It doesn't mean we're gonna run out and buy ourselves one though. We've learnt, through experience, that carrying a weapon attracts unwanted attention, and this puts you in more danger than the gun compensates for.

 

 

 

The problem isn't that people have guns, it's that they feel it's acceptable to carry them out in public and even use them.

 

 

 

Wow, you're comparing a country of around 50 million people living in an ISLAND in contrast to a country of three *HUNDRED* million people with some of the most impoverished nations just south of it.

 

 

 

Here's a fun fact [wagon], there's at least TWENTY states in the United States bigger than your island. If your police state can't even control all of you with all your CCTVs around, you think the US Fed can?

 

Do you have Tourettes or something? You just seem to uncontrollably shout complete irrelevance, that's all.

 

 

 

You're also considerably richer than the UK, and I mean proportionality too. Policing is done on a state-by-state basis; you make it sound like I can live in LA, phone 911 and some guy from Boston will come round. There really is little excuse for the high homicide rates in the US, so don't attempt to deflect the issue onto the UK. You see, we also have illegal immigrants.

 

 

 

Come and ask most Britons whether they feel like they live in a police state, and see whether even a quarter think they do.

 

 

 

If you expect to live in country where absolutely no crime in exists, then you're just plainly ignorant.

 

 

 

But since you clearly feel as though you want to live in a COD4-style "every man for himself" society, would arming these toddlers with guns have done much to deter to sick bastard that did this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

[scootlaboot]

I like how people keep saying we're a rich country when we have one of the highest national debts. In all truth all we have is size, but if the other countries came a knocking, well let's just say that another third world country would be born.( I know what yall ment by rich I was just throwing it out there.) Also, I don't see what being a "rich" country has to do with gun control.

 

 

 

And now that I think about it, I think gun removal would just give rednecks more time to create our jury rigged weapons.

[Faux]

Do you have Tourettes or something? You just seem to uncontrollably shout complete irrelevance, that's all.

 

 

 

You're also considerably richer than the UK, and I mean proportionality too. Policing is done on a state-by-state basis; you make it sound like I can live in LA, phone 911 and some guy from Boston will come round. There really is little excuse for the high homicide rates in the US, so don't attempt to deflect the issue onto the UK. You see, we also have illegal immigrants.

 

 

 

Come and ask most Britons whether they feel like they live in a police state, and see whether even a quarter think they do.

 

 

 

If you expect to live in country where absolutely no crime in exists, then you're just plainly ignorant.

 

 

 

But since you clearly feel as though you want to live in a COD4-style "every man for himself" society, would arming these toddlers with guns have done much to deter to sick bastard that did this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

 

 

 

Irrelevant? Deflecting the issue onto the UK? You're the moron that keeps comparing the United States with your country. I understand patriotism, but do you really have to bring up your country in every topic? UK this, UK that. Hey guess what, that's not what the topic is about.

 

 

 

And where did I say that I want to live in a COD4 style society? I only said banning firearms is not going to work.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Do you have Tourettes or something? You just seem to uncontrollably shout complete irrelevance, that's all.

 

 

 

You're also considerably richer than the UK, and I mean proportionality too. Policing is done on a state-by-state basis; you make it sound like I can live in LA, phone 911 and some guy from Boston will come round. There really is little excuse for the high homicide rates in the US, so don't attempt to deflect the issue onto the UK. You see, we also have illegal immigrants.

 

 

 

Come and ask most Britons whether they feel like they live in a police state, and see whether even a quarter think they do.

 

 

 

If you expect to live in country where absolutely no crime in exists, then you're just plainly ignorant.

 

 

 

But since you clearly feel as though you want to live in a COD4-style "every man for himself" society, would arming these toddlers with guns have done much to deter to sick bastard that did this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

 

 

 

Irrelevant? Deflecting the issue onto the UK? You're the moron that keeps comparing the United States with your country. I understand patriotism, but do you really have to bring up your country in every topic? UK this, UK that. Hey guess what, that's not what the topic is about.

 

 

 

And where did I say that I want to live in a COD4 style society? I only said banning firearms is not going to work.

 

I'm comparing two countries with totally different laws and attitude towards gun control. It just so happens to be the UK and the US. If you cannot accept two ends of an argument, 4chan is calling you.

[Lenticular_J]

Mmm, you bringing up immigrants really has no value, Ginger. Some of the largest drug-smuggling rings exist between the U.S. and Central and South America, probably a good bit from the Caribbean as well. Hence, much more crime. And, I'm sure you know this, most of the drug smugglers are illegal immigrants who can always slip back across the border.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Mmm, you bringing up immigrants really has no value, Ginger.

 

Erm... it wasn't me who brought it up.

[Zierro]

Problem with criminals eh? Then let's work towards rehabilitation rather than incarceration...let's give people more options through socialist programs, that help them have access to education, health care, and other opportunities that are more appealing than crime.

 

 

 

Oh wait, conservatives have an issue with that too, huh?

 

 

 

Well of course. Do you actually think criminals would choose that idea over just stealing money instead? They already have the choice to get educated and have successful jobs. Don't you already think their motives are already too strong if they are willing to break the law to get what they want - when they could just as easily have taken the 'easy' route? I don't think we should be trying to give more helping hands - they refused aid in the first place, what makes you think they won't do it again?

 

 

 

Sorry, but I definitely wouldn't consider criminals to be the most rational thinkers. Sure, in theory it would work. But take a look at who we're talking about here: criminals.

[jackattack]

 

Problem with criminals eh? Then let's work towards rehabilitation rather than incarceration...let's give people more options through socialist programs, that help them have access to education, health care, and other opportunities that are more appealing than crime.

 

 

 

Oh wait, conservatives have an issue with that too, huh?

 

 

 

The have education. And policies such as welfare and minimum wage only contribute further to crime.

 

 

 

 

I'm comparing two countries with totally different laws and attitude towards gun control. It just so happens to be the UK and the US. If you cannot accept two ends of an argument, 4chan is calling you.

 

 

 

Why not compare two U.S. states with different attitudes towards gun control? How about California and North Dakota?

[Lenticular_J]

Mmm, you bringing up immigrants really has no value, Ginger.

 

Erm... it wasn't me who brought it up.

 

I meant having immigrants in England. Sorry 'bout not being clearer.

[Tidus2555]

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

 

 

 

That's just taking it the wrong way really. Crowd Control isn't about crowds, it's about control, correct? No, it IS NOT. Both Gun Control and Crowd Control are about controlling Guns, and controlling Crowds respectively. You can't even argue that as a valid point really ...

 

 

 

Simply put, things NEED to be controlled. If you parents let you go around spitting in peoples faces, you'd end up getting lynched if you happened to spit on anyone in a group of people that don't like being spat on ... Control isn't just for controls sake, it's for sanity and to uphold the morals that people believe in.

[venomai]

There is nothing wrong with the "gun culture" in America. There is a problem with criminals.

 

I disagree. Gun violence in America stems from its pro-gun culture. With a high abundance of easily accessible firearms comes a much higher rate of gun-related homicides and suicides.

 

 

 

Sorry, but I definitely wouldn't consider criminals to be the most rational thinkers. Sure, in theory it would work. But take a look at who we're talking about here: criminals.

 

This is total bull. The world "criminal" does not mean "somebody who steals and kills to make a living." Thousands upon thousands of "criminals" in your jails are extremely intelligent and rational individuals, many of whom having done nothing worse than smoke some weed.

 

 

 

The vast majority of "criminals" would benefit greatly from public health care and proper education. Of course, since these are rights that your citizens are not even given, I wouldn't expect to see much rehabilitation efforts anytime soon.

[mmmcannibalism]

wow neat trick, claiming we should have rehabilitation for criminals but when people say most criminals are irrational thinkers claim they are mostly just guys that smoked weed. Guess we dont need that rehabilitation since they are just a bunch of guys that smoked weed and not murderers of everything

 

 

 

still my position

 

 

 

we obviously need some reasonable limits on guns, I dont want anyone that wants one to have access to an ak47 or the machine gun of their choice. It isnt the fact that we have guns that makes crimes, its that having guns makes us have gun crimes. If i wanted to kill someone and didnt have a gun id just grab a knife or make some bombs. Sure guns make a lot of murders easier but its not like that will reduce crime, maybe reduce some murders to severe wounding at best.

 

 

 

background checks for gun purchases seem a reasonable idea to pursue, though im sure a lot of people will disagree. Limiting everyone claiming it will reduce crime would not turn out well.

[Zierro]

This is total bull. The world "criminal" does not mean "somebody who steals and kills to make a living." Thousands upon thousands of "criminals" in your jails are extremely intelligent and rational individuals, many of whom having done nothing worse than smoke some weed.

 

 

 

The vast majority of "criminals" would benefit greatly from public health care and proper education. Of course, since these are rights that your citizens are not even given, I wouldn't expect to see much rehabilitation efforts anytime soon.

 

 

 

Well you got a point. I should have said murderers - not criminals. Although, I thought it was quite obvious who I was referring to.

[Robert_R]

I completely agree, why would you take away guns? Most of the guns have never killed a person. I have a lot of guns and I use them all the time when I hunt. And yes there is a point to a having a pistol, I carry one with me when I am walking through the woods incase of wild hogs because they are very deadly and actually most pistols won't kill them.

[paul191600]

Gun control only effects the law-abiding citizens. If crimials want guns, do you think they are going to follow the laws :roll:

[Robert_R]

Gun control only effects the law-abiding citizens. If crimials want guns, do you think they are going to follow the laws :roll:

 

 

 

Exactly. No criminal cares about laws

[Pirate_Felix]

Gun control only effects the law-abiding citizens. If crimials want guns, do you think they are going to follow the laws :roll:

 

 

 

Exactly. No criminal cares about laws

 

thats why it isnt about, here in holland if two people get angry, they punch/kick and maybe even stab if one of them is crazy, but in countries were you can have guns, normal people can draw guns against eachother and thus increasing the number of fatal fights

[Giordano]

Gun control only effects the law-abiding citizens. If crimials want guns, do you think they are going to follow the laws :roll:

 

 

 

Exactly. No criminal cares about laws

 

thats why it isnt about, here in holland if two people get angry, they punch/kick and maybe even stab if one of them is crazy, but in countries were you can have guns, normal people can draw guns against eachother and thus increasing the number of fatal fights

 

I've never realized we lived in the Old West.

 

 

 

Somebody who's using a gun so willingly shouldn't have one, and thus probably have it illegally. And just because its a gun doesn't mean it's an instant kill. If stalled long enough, a knife wound would kill you too.

[paul191600]

Another question to the people that believe that guns should be completely banned: what happens if a rancher is out one night and he sees one of his animals getting attacked by a mountain lion or something? Is he going to run up to it with a stick and start hitting it?

[Furah]

Another question to the people that believe that guns should be completely banned: what happens if a rancher is out one night and he sees one of his animals getting attacked by a mountain lion or something? Is he going to run up to it with a stick and start hitting it?

 

I would. #-o

[paul191600]

Another question to the people that believe that guns should be completely banned: what happens if a rancher is out one night and he sees one of his animals getting attacked by a mountain lion or something? Is he going to run up to it with a stick and start hitting it?

 

I would. #-o

 

Master of melee weapons? :ohnoes:

[Furah]

Another question to the people that believe that guns should be completely banned: what happens if a rancher is out one night and he sees one of his animals getting attacked by a mountain lion or something? Is he going to run up to it with a stick and start hitting it?

 

I would. #-o

 

Master of melee weapons? :ohnoes:

 

Master of oh [cabbage], now I'm [bleep]ed....

[Powman3]

Although I don't mind people owning guns for hunting purposes, there is no reason to have a handgun besides to shoot another human being. I have plenty of friends that hunt (I live in a town of 2,000 people). Hunting is their life. Bow or gun, these kids and their parents love hunting. Not one of them uses a handgun to shoot a deer, turkey, duck, coyote, or pheasant. There isn't a way we could ever make all guns illegal, nor is it a just thing to do. Our country was founded on hunting for your food. Honestly, just play Oregon Trail and you'll understand. But I think this article of the Constitution should be amended to fit more modern needs of our society. You have no reason to carry a gun on you. This was instated almost 250 years ago when there was threat from another country's military, not some street thugs. It needs to be amended.

 

 

 

Own rifles for hunting purposes kept in your own home? Absolutely. Own a handgun and conceal and carry it? Absolutely not.

 

 

 

I completely agree (even police officers at times misuse their guns).

[mmmcannibalism]

general statements

 

 

 

very little gun control is needed for rural areas(machine guns are the only thing that really needs dealt with here)

 

 

 

major metropolitan areas with crime problems have a right to put reasonable restrictions on the acquisition of guns; actual bans on possession of weapons should be avoided.

 

 

 

if a city area has a crime problem; they have to respect the rights of law abiding citizens to protct themselves.

[Pirate_Felix]

Another question to the people that believe that guns should be completely banned: what happens if a rancher is out one night and he sees one of his animals getting attacked by a mountain lion or something? Is he going to run up to it with a stick and start hitting it?

 

Even in countries were guns are illegal you can have air guns, they work fine for that purpose