Gun Control

[scootlaboot]

It's been unacceptable since long before the gun ban. The point I'm making is people should not feel they have a right to hold a weapon on them, especially in public, in order to feel safe. Guns included.

 

 

 

 

 

How would it be unacceptable? Theres a reason it's called a concealed weapon. No one else would know. Anyway look at the states with right to carry laws. People aren't gunning each other down over minor disagreements like the gun control lobby said they would. In fact crime has gone down. It's more unacceptable to carry a firearm in Montana or North Dakota than in Chicago or D.C.

 

I said it has been unacceptable in the UK for a long time, and our crime rate is lower, yet we're also a poorer nation than the US, and crime has always traditionally followed lower wealth. You're one of the richest nations (if not, the richest), and your crime rate is atrocious. There is a huge stack of evidence to suggest the availability of guns is a contributing factor to this crime rate, and yet you still sit here and tell me it's part of 'self-defence'.

 

 

 

Above all else, the whole 'self-defence' argument simply does not stand. Your homicide rate is three times higher than it is over here. Quite clearly, your guns aren't preventing as many deaths than if they were just banned completely, as they effectively are over here.

 

Even if guns were banned, what you people seem to neglect is the fact that the majority of gun crimes in the US are done with unregistered illegal guns, which has been posted numerous times, which are usually stolen before they reach they reach the intended recipient or smuggled in from parts unknown. I mean seriously no one walks into a store and buys an assault rifle or any automatic weapons for that matter. Also, I don't think anyone one would do a total ban overhere because 1 the second ammendment and two no one is dumb enough to try to take a gun from a a redneck.

[Faux]

Lol @ people who trust the government too much

 

 

 

They can't even keep Mexicans from crossing the border, you think they can stop guns?

 

 

 

Morons

[Ginger_Warrior]

Lol @ people who trust the government too much

 

 

 

They can't even keep Mexicans from crossing the border, you think they can stop guns?

 

 

 

Morons

 

Of course there will always be immigrants and weapons that slip the net. Who said otherwise? Moron.

 

 

 

The aim is to remove the gun culture. I'm not saying the UK is gun-free at all. I could go out on the street now and get a gun for £50.00 (and I'm not joking, I know exactly who to talk to). Half of all youths in this country feel the same way. It doesn't mean we're gonna run out and buy ourselves one though. We've learnt, through experience, that carrying a weapon attracts unwanted attention, and this puts you in more danger than the gun compensates for.

 

 

 

The problem isn't that people have guns, it's that they feel it's acceptable to carry them out in public and even use them.

[Sumpta]

I will never ever understand the mentality displayed in the original post and the average American's attachment to his gun and a weird self-regulating, government-phobic tendency.

 

 

 

Fire weapons are horrific to me. I've never held one and I hope never to. I most certainly do not want one in my house (considering how I managed to get into nearly every closet at home as a child...) and I doubt I could ever aim at a living person, let alone shoot. And I like to think the same goes for most of my neighbours, with the possible exception of hunters who know what they're doing and hold a modicum of respect for life. Merely the knowledge that most of my neighbours could buy a gun in the local Walmart, would make me feel a lot less safe.

 

 

 

If guns are easily available, you have two options:

 

- sensible people buy them, and will hardly ever use them, but still have them around and think in some way it's OK to use them

 

- stupid people or people with bad intentions will buy them, and use them in their stupid ways or be careless about them, resulting in children's, lover's, boss's deaths.

 

 

 

If guns are not easily available, they will not be as spread among the stupid people and more difficult to obtain by those with bad intentions. And stricter regulations would make that e.g. the police could remove unnecessary arms more easily.

 

 

 

I've read most of this thread, and I've not read even one sensible reason why anybody should have a hand gun in his house. Do you guys live in the ghetto's or some version of Sin City or something? As appealing as the Wild West times may seem, they are over.

[Kriegsmier]

The aim is to remove the gun culture. I'm not saying the UK is gun-free at all. I could go out on the street now and get a gun for £50.00 (and I'm not joking, I know exactly who to talk to). Half of all youths in this country feel the same way. It doesn't mean we're gonna run out and buy ourselves one though. We've learnt, through experience, that carrying a weapon attracts unwanted attention, and this puts you in more danger than the gun compensates for.

 

 

 

The problem isn't that people have guns, it's that they feel it's acceptable to carry them out in public and even use them.

 

 

 

Thats because theres no need for a gun in the UK. I mean seriously, admit it. How is CONCEALED carry warranting unwanted attention. I mean it would be CONCEALED to the point you can't see it. I carry a .45 1911 or a Glock 22 at any given time. Those are big handguns....but you still can't see it when i carry. How am i attracting attention?

 

 

 

Just for what its worth, most walmarts have stopped selling guns. :)

 

 

 

Not all robberies happen in the "ghetto". They happen in middle to upper class neighborhoods, that is then intention of a robber....to get stuff worth something. Robbery is defined by the US department of Justice as: The taking or attempting to take anything of value from the care, custody or control from a person or persons by force or threat of force or violence and/or by putting the victim in fear. Why should you keep a gun? Because there is a difference between Burglury and Robbery. Robbery happens when someone is home and directly puts you and your kids in danger. If the aggressor is alone, i'd be willing to bet he has a weapon....they want to run the situation and don't count on you having a weapon as well. Even out the odds. Remember that scene from Indiana Jones, where the guy faces off with Indi with all the knives and fancy knife work? And then Indi just shoots him from several feet away? Exactly. What are you going to do with nothing, or maybe a baseball bat from several feet away against a gun? This is you with no gun vs a robber with a gun

Oh and Burglary is done knowing no one is home or no one is in the store...they feel less threatened so they won't usually carry a weapon.

 

 

 

Your neighborhood is not always what it seems. I live in a fairly high class neighborhood, yet 2 years ago they raided a meth/grow house 2 houses down from me. Just because you don't live in what appears to be "the ghetto" does not mean crime can't and won't find you.

[Lenticular_J]

Quite. I live next to a school, and this is a very quiet neighborhood, tons of old people about. But a meth deal was busted up in our alley not too long ago. They had guns. If they'd started shooting, who knows - my house was probably no more than 50 yards away, and we have the most accessible back yard from there.

[jackattack]

 

Thats because theres no need for a gun in the UK. I mean seriously, admit it. How is CONCEALED carry warranting unwanted attention. I mean it would be CONCEALED to the point you can't see it. I carry a .45 1911 or a Glock 22 at any given time. Those are big handguns....but you still can't see it when i carry. How am i attracting attention?

 

 

 

Just for what its worth, most walmarts have stopped selling guns. :)

 

 

 

Not all robberies happen in the "ghetto". They happen in middle to upper class neighborhoods, that is then intention of a robber....to get stuff worth something. Robbery is defined by the US department of Justice as: The taking or attempting to take anything of value from the care, custody or control from a person or persons by force or threat of force or violence and/or by putting the victim in fear. Why should you keep a gun? Because there is a difference between Burglury and Robbery. Robbery happens when someone is home and directly puts you and your kids in danger. If the aggressor is alone, i'd be willing to bet he has a weapon....they want to run the situation and don't count on you having a weapon as well. Even out the odds. Remember that scene from Indiana Jones, where the guy faces off with Indi with all the knives and fancy knife work? And then Indi just shoots him from several feet away? Exactly. What are you going to do with nothing, or maybe a baseball bat from several feet away against a gun? This is you with no gun vs a robber with a gun

Oh and Burglary is done knowing no one is home or no one is in the store...they feel less threatened so they won't usually carry a weapon.

 

 

 

Your neighborhood is not always what it seems. I live in a fairly high class neighborhood, yet 2 years ago they raided a meth/grow house 2 houses down from me. Just because you don't live in what appears to be "the ghetto" does not mean crime can't and won't find you.

 

 

 

That is very true. I remember reading some article in the paper that most robberies committed in San Francisco are by people coming from East Oakland.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I said it has been unacceptable in the UK for a long time, and our crime rate is lower, yet we're also a poorer nation than the US, and crime has always traditionally followed lower wealth. You're one of the richest nations (if not, the richest), and your crime rate is atrocious. There is a huge stack of evidence to suggest the availability of guns is a contributing factor to this crime rate, and yet you still sit here and tell me it's part of 'self-defence'.

 

 

 

Above all else, the whole 'self-defence' argument simply does not stand. Your homicide rate is three times higher than it is over here. Quite clearly, your guns aren't preventing as many deaths than if they were just banned completely, as they effectively are over here.

 

 

 

If your talking CRIME rate than Europe is way higher than the U.S. The uk CRIME rate is more than double. The MURDER rate is lower. And it's not people who carry legal guns over here who commit murders. Look at the statistic I showed earlier. Where the state of Florida has only revoked a very tiny number of concealed carry permits. Our homicide rate has fallen to almost half what it was in the 1980's. Something like 40 states have passed right to carry laws since then. It's not a law abiding citizen who files for and gets a permit to carry who's the problem. He's likely never even going to draw his weapon let alone discharge it. It's criminals who don't bother to follow the laws. And anyways comparing countries is pointless. Theres are huge differences in between States.

 

 

 

 

 

our murder rate is high largely due to the multicultural nature of our society. Inner city blacks, members of a distinct subculture, have a vastly higher criminal and victim homicide rate than our society as an average:

 

 

 

Homicide Offender Rate/100,000 by Race in US (2000):

 

 

 

* 3.4 - White

 

* 25.8 - Black

 

* 3.2 - Other

 

 

 

It is often hypothesized that blacks are overrepresented in murder statistics due to racism on the part of police and the justice system. If this were true, one would expect that the race of victims would have significantly different distribution than the race of the perpetrators, but this is not the case:

 

 

 

Homicide Victim Rate/100,000 by Race in US (2000):

 

 

 

* 3.3 - White

 

* 20.5 - Black

 

* 2.7 - Other

 

 

 

Thus if you remove homicides committed by blacks (total: 21862, Blacks:9316), and assume a proportionality between number of offenders and number of offenses, you can extrapolate US homicide offender rate of only 2.6/100,000, lower than Germany (3.27) and France (3.91).

 

 

 

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[Ginger_Warrior]

Thats because theres no need for a gun in the UK. I mean seriously, admit it.

 

Crime exists in the UK. Why would an American need a gun more than a Brit? As Sumpta says, the days of the Wild West are long gone, don't worry... there's no evil Red Indians coming to raid your house anymore.

 

 

 

I have to confess I've never heard of this 'concealed' weapon business. However, I know from living in a rough area (for some reason, you guys seem to falsely assume I'm middle class...) that possessing a weapon actually places you in more danger of being assaulted.

 

 

 

Just for what its worth, most walmarts have stopped selling guns. :)

 

Oh goodie. Someone in America has more sense than paranoia.

 

 

 

Not all robberies happen in the "ghetto". They happen in middle to upper class neighborhoods, that is then intention of a robber....to get stuff worth something.

 

The vast majority of crime victims, including those committed at the end of a gun, will still be in poor, dominantly black areas. Upper class areas can afford better security, so are actually less attractive to steal from.

 

 

 

Remember that scene from Indiana Jones, where the guy faces off with Indi with all the knives and fancy knife work? And then Indi just shoots him from several feet away? Exactly. What are you going to do with nothing, or maybe a baseball bat from several feet away against a gun? This is you with no gun vs a robber with a gun

Oh and Burglary is done knowing no one is home or no one is in the store...they feel less threatened so they won't usually carry a weapon.

 

Are you for real? You're basing your argument from a scene in Indiana Jones... dear Lord... -.-

 

 

 

Your neighborhood is not always what it seems. I live in a fairly high class neighborhood, yet 2 years ago they raided a meth/grow house 2 houses down from me. Just because you don't live in what appears to be "the ghetto" does not mean crime can't and won't find you.

 

My area has a huge problem with drugs too. I dare say they also carry guns. I don't feel a need to arm myself in anticipation of the imminent assault I am doomed to face, however. Quite simply, I just stay out of it.

 

 

 

Strangely enough, the only time a gun has been fired anywhere near me (and it was an air rifle), the person who shot it had absolutely nothing to do with drugs. Just a kid who'd gone off the rails. Course, it wasn't a gun that saved me. Oh no... It was double glazing windows.

 

 

 

jackattack, what sort of logic is that? Take black people out of the equation and then count stats. Like or not they are Americans too.

 

 

 

I quite clearly said homicide as well, not crime.

 

 

 

This is the last time I'm posting on here. I think I've made my point perfectly clear, and only been responded to by people who have described purely hypothetical "What if?" scenarios and provided dodgy stats. I just thank whoever's watching over me that I don't live in a country stupid enough to allow the possession of weapons as a constitutional right, and 200 years later, still think such a right is totally inalienable without some sort of civil war.

[jackattack]

jackattack, what sort of logic is that? Take black people out of the equation and then count stats. Like or not they are Americans too.

 

 

 

It shows that gun control isn't what makes the difference it's the area. It's not all blacks just inner city blacks. That's were crime and murder are concentrated. It's the area not the laws. Gun control in D.C. hasn't really helped while right to carry laws in many states have brought crime down.

 

 

 

I have to confess I've never heard of this 'concealed' weapon business. However, I know from living in a rough area (for some reason, you guys seem to falsely assume I'm middle class...) that possessing a weapon actually places you in more danger of being assaulted.

 

 

 

 

This isn't a Clint Eastwood movie. Nobody really wears a gun on their hip. People will only know if you run around screaming "HEY EVERYONE I'VE GOT A GUN!".

[Range_This11]

 

 

 

It shows that gun control isn't what makes the difference it's the area. It's not all blacks just inner city blacks. That's were crime and murder are concentrated.

 

Be careful where you tread with blanket statements.

[Kriegsmier]

I have to confess I've never heard of this 'concealed' weapon business. However, I know from living in a rough area (for some reason, you guys seem to falsely assume I'm middle class...) that possessing a weapon actually places you in more danger of being assaulted.

 

 

 

 

This isn't a Clint Eastwood movie. Nobody really wears a gun on their hip. People will only know if you run around screaming "HEY EVERYONE I'VE GOT A GUN!".

 

 

 

Exactly. This isn't the wild west, hip holsters are definitely out of style.

 

 

 

Remember that scene from Indiana Jones, where the guy faces off with Indi with all the knives and fancy knife work? And then Indi just shoots him from several feet away? Exactly. What are you going to do with nothing, or maybe a baseball bat from several feet away against a gun? This is you with no gun vs a robber with a gun

Oh and Burglary is done knowing no one is home or no one is in the store...they feel less threatened so they won't usually carry a weapon.

 

Are you for real? You're basing your argument from a scene in Indiana Jones... dear Lord... -.-

 

 

 

No just telling you whats going to happen to you if you go up against a gun, without a gun.

 

 

 

Thats because theres no need for a gun in the UK. I mean seriously, admit it.

 

Crime exists in the UK. Why would an American need a gun more than a Brit? As Sumpta says, the days of the Wild West are long gone, don't worry... there's no evil Red Indians coming to raid your house anymore.

 

 

 

Because in my mind, and assuming the trigger man knows how to use it, the only way to beat a gun is with a gun. Crime in the UK involves blades quite a bit....a blade is far easier to defend yourself against.

 

 

 

Just for what its worth, most walmarts have stopped selling guns. :)

 

Oh goodie. Someone in America has more sense than paranoia.

 

 

 

Nah they just caught heat for selling to the wrong crowd of people.

 

 

 

 

 

This is the last time I'm posting on here. I think I've made my point perfectly clear, and only been responded to by people who have described purely hypothetical "What if?" scenarios and provided dodgy stats. I just thank whoever's watching over me that I don't live in a country stupid enough to allow the possession of weapons as a constitutional right, and 200 years later, still think such a right is totally inalienable without some sort of civil war.

 

 

 

Personally, i'm glad i have a choice and am not told whats going to happen and whats not.

[Sumpta]

Your neighborhood is not always what it seems. I live in a fairly high class neighborhood, yet 2 years ago they raided a meth/grow house 2 houses down from me. Just because you don't live in what appears to be "the ghetto" does not mean crime can't and won't find you.

 

 

 

Of course crime will find me, I've had stuff stolen from me. But what am I going to do? Pull out my gun, threaten the guy and shoot him in the knee? Egads, I don't even know how to wield the damn thing properly without anybody coming to harm, and I'm pretty sure a lot of gun-owners aren't experts either. And even if you are very good with them, why in the blazes should you want to carry it around? Can you really trust yourself with it? Have you any idea what it involves to handle a weapon in a crisis situation? Could you ever forgive yourself if something bad happened? It's a huge responsability, and I do not believe that a lot of people can handle it.

 

 

 

Face it, robbery and burglary, yes you have them everywhere, but the odds of being assaulted by a homicidal nutter who is going to skin me slowly, are slim. And even so, a gun may not even save me. A drunken driver might park his car into my house one day, should I have my walls rebuilt with reinforced concrete now?

 

 

 

I've read nothing but simplistic excuses for a nostalgic affinity with long-departed times of self-regulation, when swinging around a gun proved your toughness. It's so Freudian that it's almost funny. And no, concealing the gun doesn't actually take away that very attitude.

[mmmcannibalism]

 

Of course crime will find me, I've had stuff stolen from me. But what am I going to do? Pull out my gun, threaten the guy and shoot him in the knee? Egads, I don't even know how to wield the damn thing properly without anybody coming to harm, and I'm pretty sure a lot of gun-owners aren't experts either. And even if you are very good with them, why in the blazes should you want to carry it around? Can you really trust yourself with it? Have you any idea what it involves to handle a weapon in a crisis situation? Could you ever forgive yourself if something bad happened? It's a huge responsability, and I do not believe that a lot of people can handle it.

 

 

 

Face it, robbery and burglary, yes you have them everywhere, but the odds of being assaulted by a homicidal nutter who is going to skin me slowly, are slim. And even so, a gun may not even save me. A drunken driver might park his car into my house one day, should I have my walls rebuilt with reinforced concrete now?

 

 

 

I've read nothing but simplistic excuses for a nostalgic affinity with long-departed times of self-regulation, when swinging around a gun proved your toughness. It's so Freudian that it's almost funny. And no, concealing the gun doesn't actually take away that very attitude.

 

 

 

first off saying that we shouldnt have guns because not everyone is an expert just means that we need to make sure people that have conceal and carry permits are better trained with their guns

 

 

 

yes crime is still going to happen but personally If someone is going to try to rob me im going to stop them with anything at hand. Id much rather put a bullet in their leg which is pretty dettering then have to grab a bat and hope i can out melee them.

 

 

 

If wanting to defend myself is simplistic then so be it ill take being alive and well over being "sophisticated"

 

 

 

also as a nice little statistic from the national review(yes i know its a right wing site so lets not spam that since i quoted just statistic and not opinionized info)

 

 

 

In 1985, just eight states had the most liberal right-to-carry laws laws that automatically grant permits once applicants pass a criminal background check, pay their fees and, when required, complete a training class. Today the total is 37 states. Bill Landes and I have examined all the multiple-victim public shootings with two or more victims in the United States from 1977 to 1999 and found that when states passed right-to-carry laws, these attacks fell by 60 percent. Deaths and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings fell on average by 78 percent.

[Roberthree]

Self Defense

 

 

 

Mace

 

 

 

Burglary

 

 

 

Alarm System

 

 

 

Hunting

 

 

 

Deli Section at your local supermarket.

[Zierro]

Mace

 

 

 

Mace vs Gun. Who is gonna win?

[Kriegsmier]

Self Defense

 

 

 

Mace

 

 

 

There are MANY people out there that can function after being sprayed. Heck i was trained to. And many police agencies do the same. Whats not to say a regular guy on the street can't? Mace is NOT self defense IMO. Just a resource to buy you a couple of seconds.

 

 

 

Burglary

 

 

 

Alarm System

 

 

 

Smash and grab? And you said Burglary. Burglary refers to no one being there at the time. Robbery is a different thing.

 

 

 

Hunting

 

 

 

Deli Section at your local supermarket.

 

 

 

Ok so why pay money when you can do it yourself free of charge? Why support possible or questionable animal cruelty cases to get the meat they stock, thats a big debate isn't it, when you can do it yourself much more "humane"?

[NoMoreDead]

Self Defense

 

 

 

Mace

 

 

 

There are MANY people out there that can function after being sprayed. Heck i was trained to. And many police agencies do the same. Whats not to say a regular guy on the street can't? Mace is NOT self defense IMO. Just a resource to buy you a couple of seconds.

 

 

 

Mace + A swift kick/punch = win. Many measures can be taken to prevent even being attacked in the first place.

 

 

 

Burglary

 

 

 

Alarm System

 

 

 

Smash and grab? And you said Burglary. Burglary refers to no one being there at the time. Robbery is a different thing.

 

 

 

So you leave your valuables out in the open? Seems illogical to assume that the burgler somehow knows where everything he/she wants is located.

 

 

 

Hunting

 

 

 

Deli Section at your local supermarket.

 

 

 

Ok so why pay money when you can do it yourself free of charge? Why support possible or questionable animal cruelty cases to get the meat they stock, thats a big debate isn't it, when you can do it yourself much more "humane"?

 

 

 

You pay for the bullets, car ride to wherever your going to hunt, ect. Why not just get it done more quickly and efficiently.

 

 

 

I cannot even begin to explain how ironic it is that you mention the word humane in the same sentence as hunting. I got a good kick out of that.

[mmmcannibalism]

I cannot even begin to explain how ironic it is that you mention the word humane in the same sentence as hunting. I got a good kick out of that.

 

 

 

you do realize that good hunters put a bullet straight through the heart which is near immediate death, thats pretty humane. Before you say how people can make bad shots and gut shot animals, yes it does happen, but i would say its just as bad if not worse in the meat factories. Also I would say the animal that is in the woods its hole life then in pain for say 5 seconds has a much better life then something raised on a farm and fattened up for food

 

 

 

btw mace wont do you much good if the person is 10 feet away(down a hall)

[Lenticular_J]

Also, it's very difficult to find good-quality game meat for sale anywhere.

[Kriegsmier]

Oh yes my bad. Humane is more fit for a sentence included with deli meats. And ties it to the slaughterhouses where baby cows, sheep, etc are kept in pens they can't stand up in for months on end and continuously prodded with electrical sticks. Then they are taken and slaughtered to make you a great deli sandwich. A good hunter usually practices humane methods even if he doesn't know it. 1 shot 1 kill.

 

 

 

A good burglar should have some sort of common sense. Even if you don't leave stuff lying around. Where do people usually keep money, jewelry, valuables. You would be surprised how common hiding places are for valuables. Its easy to smash the front door and be in and out in a matter of minutes. Its not like they house-sit the house overnight while "shopping".

 

 

 

^. Mace won't help at a distance, especially against a gun. Anyone with any sort of training (or on drugs) can withstand a punch after being maced. I fail to see the argument here. Unless its a punch to the groin i seriously doubt its going to render the subject incapable of continuing the attack.

 

 

 

Someone said earlier in this thread that guns were the easy choice, or something along those lines. Your right, so why not choose it. Work smarter not harder. Y'all can throw around your nunchucks, ninja stars, mace, and be all kungfu all you want. But when you are thrown into a sudden life and death situation, are all those really going to help? No probably not, save the kungfu and only if you were trained in some sort of martial arts. And then you still have to gain control of the subject to choke them out. Personally though, i'm gonna continue carrying a gun to ASSURE myself protection.

[Roberthree]

 

There are MANY people out there that can function after being sprayed. Heck i was trained to. And many police agencies do the same. Whats not to say a regular guy on the street can't? Mace is NOT self defense IMO. Just a resource to buy you a couple of seconds.

 

 

 

Isn't that all you need? A bit of time to escape? Mace in the face will slow down an attacker for you to get in your car and drive away or just run to a place with more people.

 

 

Smash and grab? And you said Burglary. Burglary refers to no one being there at the time. Robbery is a different thing.

 

 

 

 

Ok, if its smash and grab why do I need a gun?

 

 

Ok so why pay money when you can do it yourself free of charge?

 

 

 

Bullets, Gas driving to a hunting location, Wasted time that could be used making more money... Yep, totally free.

 

 

Why support possible or questionable animal cruelty cases to get the meat they stock, thats a big debate isn't it, when you can do it yourself much more "humane"?

 

 

 

Huh? I guarantee that those cows are killed more humanely than your bullet in a deers side. Those deer run around in extreme pain before they die, unlike quick painless livestock slaughter.

 

 

 

 

btw mace wont do you much good if the person is 10 feet away(down a hall)

 

 

 

Jesus freaking christ, where do you people live? If you have people sniping at you for no reason WHY ARE YOU LIVING THERE?

[Kriegsmier]

Smash and grab? And you said Burglary. Burglary refers to no one being there at the time. Robbery is a different thing.

 

 

 

Ok, if its smash and grab why do I need a gun?

 

 

 

Ugh you people are thick. Smash and grab burglary you don't need a gun. ROBBERY is where you would need a gun.

 

 

 

Ok so why pay money when you can do it yourself free of charge?

 

 

 

Bullets, Gas driving to a hunting location, Wasted time that could be used making more money... Yep, totally free.

 

 

 

Its still cheaper the the deli. A whole deer will feed how many for how long? Compared to 1-2 trips to the deli for a few small packs of meat. Yeah...

 

 

 

btw mace wont do you much good if the person is 10 feet away(down a hall)

 

 

 

Jesus freaking christ, where do you people live? If you have people sniping at you for no reason WHY ARE YOU LIVING THERE?

 

 

 

Jesus freaking christ, where do YOU live? Guns HAVE to be at point blank range? Measure rooms in your house, your probably going to see an average of 10-12 feet across the room. Let me set up the scenario for you since you seem very dense. A suspect is across the room/down the hall creeping around your house, you walk into the room and he turns around....are you face to face? Nope. Multiple feet between you, not close enough for mace to do any good. This could go in a parking lot as well. You can see a guy running at you point a gun...what are you going to do spray mace and hope the wind blows in your favor?

 

 

 

Sniping refers to shooting from a concealed place, in which no one can do anything about.

[Lenticular_J]

Just wanted to comment on these three.

 

 

 

Bullets, Gas driving to a hunting location, Wasted time that could be used making more money... Yep, totally free.

 

People don't hunt on weekdays, in the middle of the day. It's a bit hard to work at five in the morning on a weekend.

 

 

 

Huh? I guarantee that those cows are killed more humanely than your bullet in a deers side. Those deer run around in extreme pain before they die, unlike quick painless livestock slaughter.

 

Have you ever been hunting? Ever? Even a weak rifle will drop a deer instantly, and every hunter worth his cartridges will make sure the deer's dead within minutes.

 

 

 

Jesus freaking christ, where do you people live? If you have people sniping at you for no reason WHY ARE YOU LIVING THERE?

 

10 feet isn't sniping. That's the length of a tiny hall. That's the distance across a typical room. That's two of you, most likely.

[magekillr]

Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment... laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind... as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times.... We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.

 

 

 

Here's a game: guess the quote, no googling.

[Roberthree]

 

Jesus freaking christ, where do YOU live? Guns HAVE to be at point blank range? Measure rooms in your house, your probably going to see an average of 10-12 feet across the room. Let me set up the scenario for you since you seem very dense. A suspect is across the room/down the hall creeping around your house, you walk into the room and he turns around....are you face to face? Nope. Multiple feet between you, not close enough for mace to do any good. This could go in a parking lot as well. You can see a guy running at you point a gun...what are you going to do spray mace and hope the wind blows in your favor?

 

 

 

No, I'm going to throw my hands up and say "Take whatever you want but please don't shoot". He''l steal my wallet and TV but those things can be replaced.