Fate

[Zierro]

Fate - an event (or a course of events) that will inevitably happen in the future

 

 

 

Some people believe that we all have predetermined futures - others don't. Personally, I'm one who does believe that everything happens for a reason. I don't think we're really as spontaneous (for lack of a better word) as we think we are. Life is a whole bunch of causes and effects. Example: being born with genetics dictating that you prefer chicken over turkey causes you to choose chicken for your salad instead of turkey.

 

 

 

But now to really get down to business, what about a coin flip? Is the universe coded in a way that if you say, "Heads = Turkey, Tails = Chicken" then a certain outcome will happen for a certain reason?

 

 

 

Really interested to hear your opinions on freewill, fate, and all that good stuff. :)

[Paten]

I really don't understand what you are talking about, please explain.

[Zierro]

Basically, do you believe in it or not?

 

 

 

Fate - an event (or a course of events) that will inevitably happen in the future

[Nom]

Nothing I have ever come across has lent itself to being evidence of fate. I've seen some extremely odd coincidences, but nothing ever came of them. What was the reason behind my driver's ed instructor marrying me off to a girl in my class on some random tangent, only to find out weeks later that my cousin knew her boyfriend?

[mrpez]

fate is an idea created by humans to explain that which they do not understand.

[Jaziek]

god is an idea created by humans to explain that which they do not understand.

 

 

 

fixed.

[Zierro]

Nothing I have ever come across has lent itself to being evidence of fate.

 

 

 

The thing is, I don't think there is no substantial evidence to disprove it either. It all boils down to what you personally believe in.

 

 

 

What was the reason behind my driver's ed instructor marrying me off to a girl in my class on some random tangent, only to find out weeks later that my cousin knew her boyfriend?

 

 

 

It could have happened so you could post about it on this thread. : Maybe there is a reason, but you haven't realized it?

 

 

 

fate is an idea created by humans to explain that which they do not understand.

 

 

 

That's an interesting take on it. Although, I don't think that declares whether it's real or not. "Time" was an idea created by humans to explain why everything doesn't happen all at once, so fate could be the same way.

[Lenticular_J]

We have free will, but fate still controls us completely. Or so I believe.

[Ezz]

I believe in causal determinism. It's sort of like you said, that everything is determined by natural laws (reasons), and there is nothing random.

[Nenga]

Maybe you should define fate in the original post? I believe in fate. but I also believe if a person tries hard enough they can over power fate.

[Lateralus]

For anyone who believes in fate, how did you come to that conclusion?

[Zierro]

For anyone who believes in fate, how did you come to that conclusion?

 

 

 

Fate led me to it. ;)

[Lateralus]

How about once more with a little sincerity?

[Nadril]

"Time" was an idea created by humans to explain why everything doesn't happen all at once, so fate could be the same way.

 

 

 

Not really a good example. We can witness "Time" but there really isn't anyway to witness Fate. Sure the measurements are human made but it is still obvious that time has a past, present and future.

 

 

 

 

 

It's sort of like you said, that everything is determined by natural laws (reasons), and there is nothing random.

 

 

 

It is true that few things in nature are all truly random. Most things happen due to a reason (I'm hungry, I'm going to hunt for some food).

 

 

 

I do think there is still a trace of randomization however, even if the world is not truly random. I don't think that everything that is going on has been planned out in advance, but instead just that certain creatures or even elements are generally going to react a certain way to impulses or reactions.

[Giordano]

I can't see how people disagree with fate. All the events will happen in the future no matter what. People can change what they do and such and it'll change their fate but its still fate.

 

 

Fate - an event (or a course of events) that will inevitably happen in the future

 

Never says anything about being strictly one fate, allowing it to change as the person chooses. So if you don't believe in fate, you don't believe in a future? Now how does that work out... :shock:

[Nadril]

I can't see how people disagree with fate. All the events will happen in the future no matter what. People can change what they do and such and it'll change their fate but its still fate.

 

 

Fate - an event (or a course of events) that will inevitably happen in the future

 

Never says anything about being strictly one fate, allowing it to change as the person chooses. So if you don't believe in fate, you don't believe in a future? Now how does that work out... :shock:

 

 

 

I think you're really bending the definition of the word fate here though, Nick.

[Zierro]

How about once more with a little sincerity?

 

 

 

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. You were trying to prove that fate is nonexistent because of the fact that I chose to believe it. Well, go further back than that. What led me to choose to believe it? Fate.

[Lateralus]

How about once more with a little sincerity?

 

 

 

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. You were trying to prove that fate is nonexistent because of the fact that I chose to believe it. Well, go further back than that. What led me to choose to believe it? Fate.

 

 

 

The question wasn't loaded, I was just interested. I don't believe in fate but I can hardly be expected to argue with you if I don't know why you believe in it. Socrates and all that.

[Zierro]

That is the most common argument against fate, so I assumed you were trying to disprove it. Looks like I was wrong - my apologies. :|

 

 

 

And to answer your question, I believe it mainly because of one reason: In my opinion, things couldn't get any better than they are now. Life is a miracle. Pizza is a miracle. Music is a miracle. Comedy is a miracle. I could go on and on.

 

 

 

I foresee the mentioning of all the bad things in the world now. To answer that, just look in my sig. :P

[Kiriyama]

fate is an idea created by humans to explain that which they do not understand.

 

 

 

Depends on how you look at it.

 

 

 

Maybe you were fated to say, and think that. Maybe, we actually have no control over what we say, do and think. Therefore, it means that you were fated to be wrong.

 

 

 

Not saying you are wrong however. Its all how you look at it.

 

 

 

Did Hitler really have to kill all those people? Was it choice or fate?

 

 

 

Did the war in Iraq have to happen? Again, was it choice or fate?

 

 

 

The thing is, we'll never know one way or another.

[NoMoreDead]

How about once more with a little sincerity?

 

 

 

Ask a silly question, get a silly answer. You were trying to prove that fate is nonexistent because of the fact that I chose to believe it. Well, go further back than that. What led me to choose to believe it? Fate.

 

 

 

You are attempting to answer this question so that it seems as if there is only one logical answer. That "fate" led you to it.

 

 

 

A more sensible answer would be something more along the lines of: As a child, I was raised to believe that everything happens for a purpose. OR: I've had experiences in my life that I could not explain. (Example then follows)

[Lateralus]

And to answer your question, I believe it mainly because of one reason: In my opinion, things couldn't get any better than they are now. Life is a miracle. Pizza is a miracle. Music is a miracle. Comedy is a miracle. I could go on and on.

 

 

 

You should read Candide by Voltaire, it's basically satire based on this position (which could be described as Leibnizian optimism). You sound like Dr. Pangloss.

[Seanthorn]

Fate, in my opinion, is not real.

 

 

 

So... the I'm commenting on here for a reason? No, who's liek would i change or 'would ov changed anyway' for commenting this comment? Fate can't tell that i might walk outside and get run over by a bus. And if fates real, then Russian Roulette doesn't work. 3 bullets, 6 people. Those 3 people who is gna die, fate didn't predict that, the [puncture] who put the barrel and bullets in the gun did :)

 

 

 

So i rest my case haha

[Zierro]

NoMoreDead, it was a misunderstanding on my part. Read the second post before your's.

 

 

 

 

You should read Candide by Voltaire, it's basically satire based on this position (which could be described as Leibnizian optimism). You sound like Dr. Pangloss.

 

 

 

I Googled it and read the summary and still have to say that I stand by what I said (not to say others can't disagree). I know how much you hate my analogies but, if there was no such thing as "cold" then how could there be a such thing as "hot"? The same could be said with "good" and "bad". In order to define "good", then "bad" must exist.

 

 

 

Here's a good quote:

 

 

 

Although the world is full of suffering,it is also full of the overcoming of it.

 

 

 

I think even pessimists could believe in fate though. (Everything builds up just enough for it to all come falling down.)

[DUELMASTER30]

Fate, in my definition, is changable. Some people believe a set fate, where you are ment to make every choice you do, and the future is unchangable. I believe that we can choose for a reason, and that is to determine our future. Every time you make a choice, your future changes. Say, should I eat Turkey, or Chicken? What if one was contaminated and you would die after you eat it? Some people might believe that you were ment to eat one of them, and if that one was contaminated, you were ment to die. I believe that you are not ment to die, you had a choice, although you did not know the outcomes.