This is just getting ridiculous.

[Sumpta]

I see both viewpoints as well, and I don't post the infamous 'Get over it' myself, but I still don't believe the ranters should be so easily excused. If you expect the people who post replies to have some self-control, then you might expect the same from the ranters, no?

 

 

 

Just because this is a rants forum, does not mean you should come here to cool off your rage on the people who frequent it. It is perfectly possible to write about your frustrations without behaving like an idiot. Just because the place is for venting, does not mean you shouldn't take a few breaths before you post that rant.

 

 

 

I still feel both parties are to blame.

 

 

 

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Edit: to clear up my point, two similar, yet different situations.

 

 

 

I'm at work and a collegue storms in in a rage. He starts abusing our boss, calling him all kinds of dirty names and fuming like a dragon, because something just happened. It's very likely my reaction will be "oh my god, dude, lighten up, your spit is wetting my documents."

 

 

 

Now, if he'd enter, visibly shaken, but more or less calmly and coherently telling me what was wrong, I wouldn't mind listening and maybe even sympathising, even if I'd heard it all before.

[Fairness]

The difference between these situations and the Tip.it forum situation is that you can avoid the latter since it doesn't (shouldn't) affect you really.

[dragoonson]

Here's one line for Dragoonson&co.: get over it and exit the rants forum! Oh wait, I insulted you, I must be an idiot. If you come into the rants forum, you will want to rant about something, or read another person's rant and post an intelligent reply to it. If you can't stand ranters and their topics however, the door is open to you, not them.

 

 

 

So I should get over it,and stop defending get over it...Not confusing all.Following that,have you seen the two posts over Sumpta's?I'd hardly say those are intelligent.That's more for debate club.As for that last line.If you dislike our replies its just as open.Unless its an etheral door only I can pass :roll: .

 

 

 

"Dragoonson&co." doesn't include you, as you aren't involved in this "get over it" thing. It's not even the fact that you don't agree with every rant; in case you haven't read the OP fully, this thread is about those who just go in a thread, say "get over it" and lurk more. Mr. Moderator and a lot of other people hate this, and that's why this rant was created. Your posts don't seem to say anything about this issue. "Dragoonson&co." doesn't actually give a flying rat's arse about what exactly a targeted rant contains: as long as they don't like it, they post the same lines as the OP contained. They don't offer viewpoints, they just spout a glorified GTFO. See the difference? And the funny thing is, none of "Dragoonson&co." are actually defending the "get over it" mania, they are trying to avoid the point and say how "we've seen this rant before". Okay, no clicky @ topic pleez?!

 

 

 

You say that,yet you dismiss Ratchet's thread as bad for lack of a tl;dr...And the funny thing is,should we ever rant about repeating rants (which some one has,a newer one...he was flamed as openly as this.) we get the same stupid things.Wanna see?We'll be back when this dies down and we'll show you...

 

 

 

If you can find a post outside of this thread I have spouted a glorified GTFO I shall bow down and abdicate this,but until then my opinion is mine.

[Fairness]

Here's one line for Dragoonson&co.: get over it and exit the rants forum! Oh wait, I insulted you, I must be an idiot. If you come into the rants forum, you will want to rant about something, or read another person's rant and post an intelligent reply to it. If you can't stand ranters and their topics however, the door is open to you, not them.

 

 

 

So I should get over it,and stop defending get over it...Not confusing all.Following that,have you seen the two posts over Sumpta's?I'd hardly say those are intelligent.That's more for debate club.As for that last line.If you dislike our replies its just as open.Unless its an etheral door only I can pass :roll: .

 

 

 

"Dragoonson&co." doesn't include you, as you aren't involved in this "get over it" thing. It's not even the fact that you don't agree with every rant; in case you haven't read the OP fully, this thread is about those who just go in a thread, say "get over it" and lurk more. Mr. Moderator and a lot of other people hate this, and that's why this rant was created. Your posts don't seem to say anything about this issue. "Dragoonson&co." doesn't actually give a flying rat's arse about what exactly a targeted rant contains: as long as they don't like it, they post the same lines as the OP contained. They don't offer viewpoints, they just spout a glorified GTFO. See the difference? And the funny thing is, none of "Dragoonson&co." are actually defending the "get over it" mania, they are trying to avoid the point and say how "we've seen this rant before". Okay, no clicky @ topic pleez?!

 

 

 

You say that,yet you dismiss Ratchet's thread as bad for lack of a tl;dr...And the funny thing is,should we ever rant about repeating rants (which some one has,a newer one...he was flamed as openly as this.) we get the same stupid things.Wanna see?We'll be back when this dies down and we'll show you...

 

 

 

If you can find a post outside of this thread I have spouted a glorified GTFO I shall bow down and abdicate this,but until then my opinion is mine.

 

 

 

1. It was a bit of overused sarcasm about "get over it."

 

2. Those two posts? No, I failed to notice them :shock: The second is sort of good irony though. Mrmyk locked a topic for "This is for your RuneScape frustrations" (false).

 

3. At least it still contained my opinion (too long), so while it was a stupid post indeed, it was still better than some other people's posts. Not everyone can or will always make, or try to make intelligent posts, but this is not the "not always" category.

 

4. Sure, show me. I'm not saying people who post stupid stuff to your topics are better than these "get over it" people.

 

5. Okay, I'll search around a bit.

[dragoonson]

^We'll wait till this dies down so we can get a fair opinion,shall we?

 

 

 

Additionally,if you do find it linky please?I mean its easy to manipulate quoting (ergh I forgot how,but still you can do it)...Of course if you do find it then I would have abdicated and my opinion would be invalid.That is my deal with you.

 

 

 

That is,if I lose,I will do what I can to not do the things stated by you.Sounds a bit weird,but hey I've been up for a long time...We seem to be similar to each other in certain ways,but I may just be high...(had a concert at work ^.^)

[eatrunearrow]

I love how this guy really hasn't got flammed yet. It's obviously because he has his "title" or whatever. If anyone else would have posted this, they would have been FLAMMED to hell.. I also think it's funny that a lot of the regular "get over it" posters have stayed away from posting on this one.

[dragoonson]

I love how this guy really hasn't got flammed yet. It's obviously because he has his "title" or whatever. If anyone else would have posted this, they would have been FLAMMED to hell.. I also think it's funny that a lot of the regular "get over it" posters have stayed away from posting on this one.

 

 

 

Should see her posts on General Discussion.I'm much more agreeable to those...

 

 

 

Though yes,admittedly get over it is overused...But isn't "fanboy"?

[Wisp]

Admittedly the one liner rants with terrible spelling and all do get tiresome, but in my opinion, at least most of the time, you should ignore the, uh, presentation of the rant, and focus on the content. Most of the time the rants aren't good, but still. Even though it isn't required I usually put in a suggested solution, for example, my solution to people complaining how BH isn't the same, and they pked for the fun not the loot, and clan wars can't have more than 100 people per team, and so on. Make a couple worlds where the wilderness is pvp. When you jump the ditch, you are asked if you want to be a pker or not. Those who want to be pkers will not lose their items, but can also not fight monsters, or mine etc. Those who don't, can use the wilderness normally, but there are revenants still. Basically, it's the wilderness again, maybe changed around some because of bh and clan wars, but you can have as a big a war as you want, with multiple teams, you can pk like you used to, and so on.

 

 

 

Anyway, it would be nice to read good rants, but this thread is based on the responses to rants, not the rants themselves, though they definitely can be annoying to read, if it's just the same rant over and over again.

 

 

 

Also:

 

I love how this guy really hasn't got flammed yet. It's obviously because he has his "title" or whatever. If anyone else would have posted this, they would have been FLAMMED to hell.. I also think it's funny that a lot of the regular "get over it" posters have stayed away from posting on this one.

 

 

 

It's a mixed blessing. On one hand, you don't get flamed as much, but on the other hand, you don't get everyone's real opinions. Also, I'm a she.

[dragoonson]

May I ask where we can draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable?Last post for the night,I gotta sleep if I wanna catch WWI...

 

 

 

Personally,I'd draw it where you have no damned idea of the rant,or your eyes hurt looking at it.(Ratchet #-o )

 

 

 

if dis iz a rnt,i giv up.<-Erm,not directed at this one,but you know one-liners written like that...

[Wisp]

It's an individual's choice. If you want to draw the line at badly thought out, fine, if you want to draw it at almost unreadable, if you want to draw it at a combination, or something else, it's fine. But for me, it's usually badly thought out, and bad spelling and all, though if it's not a lot of bad spelling and general unreadableness ( I don't think that's a word), it's not that bad.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I wanted to be well-rested before I responded to this topic. Sure hope that it comes across that way.

 

 

 

My god. I am so sick of how people are on this forum. On every single rant you find at least of 5 universal arguments:

 

1: Deal with it

 

2: Get over it

 

3: OMG LITTLEST CHANGE EVER MOST POINTLESS RANT!!!!!!

 

4:Don't like it, don't play.

 

5: Do something else, there is plenty more to do.

 

Are you kidding me guys. Lets reread the rants forum description shall we?

 

 

 

"Blow off steam by venting your game frustrations."

 

 

 

 

I [at least] agree with you here. I condone the Rants forum to be a place of relieving steam. However, do you know the difference between someone venting and someone spewing propaganda? I mean, I can condone someone being upset about an update, but can you honestly say that half of the rants on the first page of the Rants board qualify as real "rants"? Some of the topics introduce complaints so minute (honestly, who cares about how we walk or what color a chest is now), players would either get used to it or stop complaining about it in two weeks' time.

 

 

 

Also, people usually say, if you don't like it, try to come up with a solution. For a start, jagex will never change it based on some random ranter on a fansite forum, and secondly, a quote from the rant forum guidelines

 

"We want to provide a location for basic ranting without the pressure of trying to generate discussion or come up with a solution"

 

 

 

More or less, if the rant can't hold water, we'd like some justification to back it up. Sadly, this comes across as "come up with a solution"; that part I'll agree with you.

 

 

 

On every single thread in this forum practically, there are only people bashing one another. This forum is to vent steam, not for us to hear the same repeated arguments over and over again. If someone complains about the changes to the wilderness, you hear get over it, deal with it, and that they should quit if they don't like it. If someone complained about the war in Iraq, saying that it never should of started, would someone say, OMG, it started years ago, get over it. No. Because the repercussions of the war are still being felt, same with the changes to the wilderness.

 

 

 

How long ago was it that the Wilderness was changed? Seriously. The people that rant about missing it make it sound like they lost their arm or leg or some other appendage, and that they will never be a whole person until they can get it back. Sheesh.

 

 

 

By the by, you can't compare this to the war in Iraq. Period. The war in Iraq is the real deal, and there is no 'scape goat to use to escape that reality; on the other hand, other MMOs exist for the ranters to play if they're that dissatisfied with RuneScape.

 

 

 

 

 

With the do something else argument, let's say they removed your favorite skill for some reason. It is a skill that is not absolutely necessary in the game, like summoning, wouldn't people rant? Or should we tell them to just do something else.

 

 

 

Fallacious thinking. A skill is a staple of the game, or what the game revolves around. You can't just remove a skill. Minigames, side stories, mini-quests, on the other hand -- such as the Wilderness -- if they're changed, the affected will come to terms or leave.

 

 

 

 

 

And for telling people to quit? Are you serious? They are angry about an update, and it doesn't mean they should quit.

 

 

 

If anything, this forum serves to frustrate the ranters even more. People on this forum need to think how stupid their arguments sound before they post.

 

 

 

Angry about a recent update: understandable. Angry about an update that happened WAAAAAAY back: unreasonable. The Rants forums' initial purpose was to simply provide a place for players to relieve steam, but the reality of it is that players which are still clinging on to the olden days can never relieve steam. They seek a resolution which will never happen. In effect, they're entering a vicious cycle; bitterly upset about an update, rant for resolution, resolution falls on deaf ears, and so forth. This means that players get sick and tired of hearing the same rants over and over again, and as such, will say things like "deal with it", "get over it", and so forth.

 

 

 

There are updates to the game that I don't agree with, most notably the recent "item loaning" update. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to go on a tirade against Jagex, consider them "fools" for this update, and remain on a soapbox about this forever. While there are people here that rant and don't go on a propaganda crusade against Jagex and their updates, those types of rants are few and far between.

[Wisp]

How long ago was it that the Wilderness was changed? Seriously. The people that rant about missing it make it sound like they lost their arm or leg or some other appendage, and that they will never be a whole person until they can get it back. Sheesh.

 

 

 

By the by, you can't compare this to the war in Iraq. Period. The war in Iraq is the real deal, and there is no 'scape goat to use to escape that reality; on the other hand, other MMOs exist for the ranters to play if they're that dissatisfied with RuneScape.

 

 

 

 

Fine, let's say we change that comparison to a school banning soda. People are gonna complain, and still be mad several months later, because they are still being affected by the change.

 

Fallacious thinking. A skill is a staple of the game, or what the game revolves around. You can't just remove a skill. Minigames, side stories, mini-quests, on the other hand -- such as the Wilderness -- if they're changed, the affected will come to terms or leave.

 

And skills are a staple of the game, as are everything else, but summoning is a skill that no other skills rely on, or they removed thieving, there's nothing you can get from thieving that you can't get in some other way (note: all quest requirements would be changed), people would still complain. How is removing a skill that nothing else depends on any different than removing something as large as the wilderness?

 

Angry about a recent update: understandable. Angry about an update that happened WAAAAAAY back: unreasonable. The Rants forums' initial purpose was to simply provide a place for players to relieve steam, but the reality of it is that players which are still clinging on to the olden days can never relieve steam. They seek a resolution which will never happen. In effect, they're entering a vicious cycle; bitterly upset about an update, rant for resolution, resolution falls on deaf ears, and so forth. This means that players get sick and tired of hearing the same rants over and over again, and as such, will say things like "deal with it", "get over it", and so forth.

 

Again, let's go back to my school comparison. It happened months ago right, but just because people don't like the change, does it mean they should leave the school?

[Sam]

I have to agree with you Doomsavenger. You really put the finger on what pisses me off.

[Fairness]

I have to agree with you Doomsavenger. You really put the finger on what pisses me off.

 

 

 

Is it just my brain that's too sex-oriented or...?

 

Ok, so that was spam but still

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Fine, let's say we change that comparison to a school banning soda. People are gonna complain, and still be mad several months later, because they are still being affected by the change.

 

 

 

Just because they're going to be upset doesn't mean that they're going to get their way. Schools have been pushing to ban sodas for years now, and since it's all up to the parents/PTA, if soda goes bye-bye, the kids will have to live with getting it from the 7-Eleven after school.

 

 

 

And skills are a staple of the game, as are everything else, but summoning is a skill that no other skills rely on, or they removed thieving, there's nothing you can get from thieving that you can't get in some other way (note: all quest requirements would be changed), people would still complain. How is removing a skill that nothing else depends on any different than removing something as large as the wilderness?

 

 

 

1) In a sense, no skill relies on Summoning, but you can't deny its effect on them -- Yaks, Unicorns, Bunyip, Titans -- nothing relies on them, but they make other skills simpler to do.

 

2) Remove Thieving? How would you get the Pharaoh's Sceptre? Full Rogue? Those things are two that cannot be regained in any other method, and although they're probably the only two, it still counts.

 

3) Removing a skill is radically different than adjusting the Wilderness because of one simple thing -- audience. How many people use skills? How many people used to PK? Compare the numbers and there really isn't a contest.

 

 

 

Again, let's go back to my school comparison. It happened months ago right, but just because people don't like the change, does it mean they should leave the school?

 

 

 

That's entirely up to them if they want to leave an entire school over something that minor. In retrospect, you have your real-life analogies mixed up -- you can compare the Monkfish change to no more soda, whereas changing the Wilderness is like having a closed campus. With the proper analogy, a closed campus is a serious thing -- puts a damper on upper classmen and their freedoms -- but again, it's entirely up to them if they want to leave over something trivial.

 

 

 

Just like there are other schools, there are other MMOGs. I'm not saying that rants about the Wilderness are pointless, I'm simply saying that there is an exit if they really don't like it as much as they preach against it.

[Wisp]

It's the basic idea behind a comparison that matters, not the scale.

 

As for numbers of people who use thieving on a daily basis, versus pkers, I would almost guarantee pkers would win, though there are no solid numbers. As for rogue outfit, you could probably go through most of the maze without thieving, and the few obstacles that require it wouldn't actually have a thieving requirement, or would be replaced.

 

The sceptre could be a reward from the agility dungeon or something, but still.

 

 

 

I am not saying that, by any means, Jagex will change the wilderness back due to ranters, but I am saying ranters should still be allowed to rant about it.

[yanksrule]

i think you need to deal with it or at least get over it. this is possibly the most pointless rant. i mean seriously if you don't like it don't go on the forums. there's a million things you can do right now and your ranting about rants? come on.

 

sound familiar?

 

1: Deal with it

 

2: Get over it

 

3: OMG LITTLEST CHANGE EVER MOST POINTLESS RANT!!!!!!

 

4:Don't like it, don't play.

 

5: Do something else, there is plenty more to do.

 

 

 

yeah i hate it when people post that but it keeps the thread alive does it not?

[harper128]

That may be part of the problem, simple little responses like that do keep the thread alive instead of letting it die a slow withering death. By responding, you are simply fueling the fire and giving the OP and their supporter(s) an excuse to continue their diatribe, keeping the thread alive. As you may have noticed, valid points and arguments are most often ignored in order to pick apart small details such as the length you have or have not been playing and/or if you qualify as a proper pker, or making unrealistic comparisons (not pointing to anything offered in this thread, but to comparisons in many, many other threads).

 

 

 

And, YES, in many cases it is most definitely the poster's fault for receiving such responses as they have created a new thread covering a topic which has already been covered and is still listed on the front page. For example, are there two, three, or more posts ranting about RWTers on the first page right now? And what about the rants about the loss of wildy? Why do we continue to see thread after thread not only complaining about the loss of wildy, but pretty much regurgitated venomous spittle about how horrible Jagex must be for removing wildy as it was?

 

 

 

How many times to forum users have to re-write well thought out responses before they are justified in simply stating get over it or get out? Honestly, that is why many of the stickies are there, mods got tired of seeing the same, or similar, topics started over and over and over again.

 

 

 

I think, to sum up my feelings on it:

 

a.) Stop using the simple responses, it just gives some ranters more ammunition and a reason to keep the thread alive.

 

 

 

b.) Perhaps the mods should lock more of these repetitive threads and point the OP to the original thread, in order to make them read the arguments that have already been made and either validated or invalidated so that they do not have to be continuously repeated, if, that is, they honestly wish to continue such a rant.

 

 

 

Oh, just to note, a graphics update rant sticky would have (and may still be) nice to have when that large update was released. It could/can be unstickied in a month or so, but it would put all such rants in one place so you can see what others have found so far. Personally, while the whip changes haven't bothered me, as I'm F2P, I wear my mime and zombie outfits quite often when skilling and have had my own complaints about those.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I am not saying that, by any means, Jagex will change the wilderness back due to ranters, but I am saying ranters should still be allowed to rant about it.

 

 

 

I was never against anyone ranting about the updates. What I was saying that we should be able to discern between a real rant and propaganda against Jagex. I don't mind if someone wants to put together a comprehensive rant about this (and yes, it has to be comprehensive; time has already set in and if you're going to be complaining after THIS long, it better be thoughtful), but I do mind if someone comes through, telling me how much Jagex sucks, how much the game sucks, how much they hate Jagex, and so forth.

 

 

 

If that much were true, they'd have left already.

[Zierro]

I've made venting rants before. Not once have I been flamed. Apparently, I'm doing something right which these people who get flamed are not.

 

 

 

Like I said many times, this forum is for venting frustration - not generating it. In the case of the, "Get over it!" remarks, I completely agree. But when people flame the game on one of its fansites and expect not to get flamed back... Well, that's just silly. It just doesn't make sense to rant about Runescape as a whole, or the company for that matter while being on a fansite.

[fenrir321]

My god. I am so sick of how people are on this forum. On every single rant you find at least of 5 universal arguments:

 

1: Deal with it

 

2: Get over it

 

3: OMG LITTLEST CHANGE EVER MOST POINTLESS RANT!!!!!!

 

4:Don't like it, don't play.

 

5: Do something else, there is plenty more to do.

 

 

I do admit that it does get annoying looking at the same argument against ranters every single time. Then again, it is also equally annoying to see the same rant every time as well. So, I can understand how anti-ranters are just as hateful as ranters.

 

 

 

1 and 2 are basically the same thing btw. And they are completely logical. Because 1) ranting about something like the wilderness won't bring it back 2) the vast majority of people lack empathy so no use trying to "recruit" people to support. If you want to rant for the sake of ranting (truly venting frustration), there's always Word Processor. Type out 5 pages of a rant that curses at Jagex, says unspeakable things and get it out of your system. Then when you're done, hit "delete" to make sure that that is gone forever and that you have no negative emotions left. Talking with people is the best thing, but like I said, the vast majority of them lack empathy on the internet, so writing it down is also a very good way to vent.

 

 

 

As for the little things, I agree with you completely. I'd rather have little tiny updates instead of big massive world changing ones.

 

 

 

If you don't like something, if it's really game breaking like there's no fun in it anymore, then the best thing WOULD be to play another game, but it's still a bad accusation. And doing something else might actually make you find something almost just as fun! There's nothing wrong with finding something else to do :) .

[fat_klutz]

/facepalm

 

 

 

Removing the wilderness was removing a skill. What is the difference between spending 100 hours of your life leveling up attack and strength on a pure and then 50 hours pking or just raising cooking for 150 hours??

 

 

 

Nothing.

 

 

 

The game could survive without cooking. We could just have NPC's cook for us as long as we gathered the ingredients. It really wouldn't be a major change when you think about it. Nothing in the game would be missing that was needed to play. We would still be able to walk around and bash monsters.

 

 

 

So basically, just because you didn't pk or maybe you did pk but regardless, the amount of time and effort put into characters for that is no different that the time and effort put into skills.

 

 

 

And that is really how people measure greatness in this game. How much time you have spent on it and your effort.

 

 

 

And total sucking up to mods =/

[Wisp]

Fat, I don't know if you were talking to me, but for a start, I think removing the wilderness was one of the worst changes, and could have been done better in many different ways. I wouldn't say removing the wilderness was removing a skill, though pking did take actual skill, more so than just about any other official skill.

 

 

 

And either way, if you were addressing me, that's not what this thread is even about.

[FairiesWearBoots]

If you repost a very common or just common issue, people will get agitated. If you post something stupid with no real reasonable issue then the dreaded "get over it" is deserved.

 

 

 

So how'sa 'bout you quit throwing the shield over those threaders? If they wanted to avoid seeing a familiar phrase, they could.. Iunno.. Make their threads hold disscussion value?

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

@doomsavenger: Case in point, in regards to fat_klutz's post. Notice how he hasn't presented anything worth discussion, and instead of giving something for other Rants posters to comment/criticize/barter with, he gives us all an unusable anti-Jagex post.

 

 

 

I'm not against them ranting, like I said earlier. I'm just against someone lambasting Jagex as if they were Communist.