Teachers Carrying Guns

[Lionheart_0]

I can't believe so many people distrust a teacher's mental capacity. No one seems to be bothered that emotionally unstable students are bringing guns into schools all the time yet are first to say that a teacher would snap and kill a class full of kids :? .

 

 

 

Emotionally stable adults>immature children in school

 

 

 

 

 

Power hungry adults. It's not even about mental capacity, it's about human nature. I have seen perfectly normal teachers get mad suddenly and throw stuff around the room or scream, or threaten (not violent but close enough to screwing up students future lives) when they are mad. Teachers are human, and teachers can get mad too. Give them a gun, a source of power, and see how thats goes...

 

 

 

Plus with the added gun, what happens with the students? Do you respect a teacher because they are a good person, or out of fear because they have a gun?

 

 

 

As I said, the day a gun is needed in the classroom out of fear of another columbine, is the day that we bow down to fear.

[mrpez]

giving guns to mentally stable teachers would be a good idea, if they knew how to use them. if some of you dont know, gun handling is not a prerequisite to teaching. with an already low budget for school supplies and salaries, adding a gun training program is very unlikely.

 

 

 

even a teacher who knows how to handle a gun will be reluctant to shoot a student for fear of the repercussions. plus, its much harder to kill another human than hollywood makes it out to be.

 

The system in place at that tiny little town is that it's okay for a teacher to do it, and I wouldn't doubt they had to have had training. I don't even think anybody has even signed up for it, as its optional.

 

 

 

Who says they have to kill them? In places where school shootings are more common (urban areas) a teacher with gun training will easily be able to disarm a teenager without said training. A shot to the leg will easily disable a teenager. Ever been shot? Yeah, it'd be tough to take aim and kill that jerk that called you a buttface yesterday.

 

 

 

my point was that a teacher would most likely not be able to bring himself to shoot another person, and would probably miss.

 

 

 

no student serious enough about a school shooting to bring a gun and unveil it will be stopped by a scared teacher holding a gun he doesnt know how to use.

 

 

 

lionheart, i dont know if you live in america, but if you ever go there you views will change. we already live in an age of fear and are completely occupied by it. one of many examples is that i, a young persian male, am constantly stereotyped at any airport and selected for random screening.

[Lenticular_J]

I can't believe so many people distrust a teacher's mental capacity. No one seems to be bothered that emotionally unstable students are bringing guns into schools all the time yet are first to say that a teacher would snap and kill a class full of kids :? .

 

 

 

Emotionally stable adults>immature children in school

 

 

 

 

 

Power hungry adults. It's not even about mental capacity, it's about human nature. I have seen perfectly normal teachers get mad suddenly and throw stuff around the room or scream, or threaten (not violent but close enough to screwing up students future lives) when they are mad. Teachers are human, and teachers can get mad too. Give them a gun, a source of power, and see how thats goes...

 

 

 

Plus with the added gun, what happens with the students? Do you respect a teacher because they are a good person, or out of fear because they have a gun?

 

 

 

As I said, the day a gun is needed in the classroom out of fear of another columbine, is the day that we bow down to fear.

 

People bow down to fear every day. And it isn't a bad thing. We have traffic signals due to fear. We have seat belts due to fear. We have pedestrian walkways due to fear. We build fences due to fear. Nearly everything in modern life is motivated - or began being motivated by - fear.

 

 

 

giving guns to mentally stable teachers would be a good idea, if they knew how to use them. if some of you dont know, gun handling is not a prerequisite to teaching. with an already low budget for school supplies and salaries, adding a gun training program is very unlikely.

 

 

 

even a teacher who knows how to handle a gun will be reluctant to shoot a student for fear of the repercussions. plus, its much harder to kill another human than hollywood makes it out to be.

 

The system in place at that tiny little town is that it's okay for a teacher to do it, and I wouldn't doubt they had to have had training. I don't even think anybody has even signed up for it, as its optional.

 

 

 

Who says they have to kill them? In places where school shootings are more common (urban areas) a teacher with gun training will easily be able to disarm a teenager without said training. A shot to the leg will easily disable a teenager. Ever been shot? Yeah, it'd be tough to take aim and kill that jerk that called you a buttface yesterday.

 

 

 

my point was that a teacher would most likely not be able to bring himself to shoot another person, and would probably miss.

 

 

 

no student serious enough about a school shooting to bring a gun and unveil it will be stopped by a scared teacher holding a gun he doesnt know how to use.

 

I daresay we just spoke of how the teacher would require training.

[mrpez]

trained to shoot, but not conditioned to kill.

 

 

 

giving guns to teachers is not a totally bad idea, but it will only stop the dramatic kids looking for attention by bringing a weapon to school with no intention of using it against others.

 

 

 

most students that committed school shootings killed themselves afterward. i doubt they are scared to die and would just like to take a few people with them.

[Lenticular_J]

You don't have to kill to stop someone. A simple 9mm can disable a person with one shot to any number of vital areas, and kill if needed.

 

 

 

I don't even know why I started fighting for this side. I mean, it isn't a bad idea, but it's very unlikely it will spread.

[Kenshinjapan]

trained to shoot, but not conditioned to kill.

 

 

 

giving guns to teachers is not a totally bad idea, but it will only stop the dramatic kids looking for attention by bringing a weapon to school with no intention of using it against others.

 

 

 

most students that committed school shootings killed themselves afterward. i doubt they are scared to die and would just like to take a few people with them.

 

 

 

If they're stopping kids looking for attention, then the guns are still accomplishing something. Besides, I'd like to see a suicidal student be wounded and get some emotional help rather than have them kill several others before committing suicide.

[mrpez]

"kill" was used as a broad term, and i should have elaborated. it is hard to shoot another human, despite if its a fatal shot.

[Lenticular_J]

"kill" was used as a broad term, and i should have elaborated. it is hard to shoot another human, despite if its a fatal shot.

 

True, but you'd be surprised how easy hurting someone to protect another is. I've almost had to shoot some drunk [wagon] that were climbing my friend's fence after chasing us and some girls (they said some very bad things about) in their truck. Luckily a single pump was enough. Adrenaline can also help - that's what fueled me. I didn't even think, I just aimed and prepared to shoot.

[Lionheart_0]

I can't believe so many people distrust a teacher's mental capacity. No one seems to be bothered that emotionally unstable students are bringing guns into schools all the time yet are first to say that a teacher would snap and kill a class full of kids :? .

 

 

 

Emotionally stable adults>immature children in school

 

 

 

 

 

Power hungry adults. It's not even about mental capacity, it's about human nature. I have seen perfectly normal teachers get mad suddenly and throw stuff around the room or scream, or threaten (not violent but close enough to screwing up students future lives) when they are mad. Teachers are human, and teachers can get mad too. Give them a gun, a source of power, and see how thats goes...

 

 

 

Plus with the added gun, what happens with the students? Do you respect a teacher because they are a good person, or out of fear because they have a gun?

 

 

 

As I said, the day a gun is needed in the classroom out of fear of another columbine, is the day that we bow down to fear.

 

People bow down to fear every day. And it isn't a bad thing. We have traffic signals due to fear. We have seat belts due to fear. We have pedestrian walkways due to fear. We build fences due to fear. Nearly everything in modern life is motivated - or began being motivated by - fear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a difference between fear and safety. Traffic signals are there to keep us safe. Seat belts are there for safety reasons.

 

 

 

Gun's are there to enforce fear in people to stop them from doing something. Sure it's a safety reason, but in the end you want to strike fear into people so that they will be under your control.

[mrpez]

...in the end you want to strike fear into people so that they will be under your control.

 

 

 

lionheart i believe the term you are looking for is 'american democracy'.

[Lenticular_J]

I can't believe so many people distrust a teacher's mental capacity. No one seems to be bothered that emotionally unstable students are bringing guns into schools all the time yet are first to say that a teacher would snap and kill a class full of kids :? .

 

 

 

Emotionally stable adults>immature children in school

 

 

 

 

 

Power hungry adults. It's not even about mental capacity, it's about human nature. I have seen perfectly normal teachers get mad suddenly and throw stuff around the room or scream, or threaten (not violent but close enough to screwing up students future lives) when they are mad. Teachers are human, and teachers can get mad too. Give them a gun, a source of power, and see how thats goes...

 

 

 

Plus with the added gun, what happens with the students? Do you respect a teacher because they are a good person, or out of fear because they have a gun?

 

 

 

As I said, the day a gun is needed in the classroom out of fear of another columbine, is the day that we bow down to fear.

 

People bow down to fear every day. And it isn't a bad thing. We have traffic signals due to fear. We have seat belts due to fear. We have pedestrian walkways due to fear. We build fences due to fear. Nearly everything in modern life is motivated - or began being motivated by - fear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a difference between fear and safety. Traffic signals are there to keep us safe. Seat belts are there for safety reasons.

 

 

 

Gun's are there to enforce fear in people to stop them from doing something. Sure it's a safety reason, but in the end you want to strike fear into people so that they will be under your control.

 

Nowadays there's a difference. But all safety was inspired by the fear of what could go wrong. Or, in this case, what has gone wrong.

[das1330]

Honestly, this proposal makes sense to me. If you read the article, it details just how much training a teacher has to get to get the necessary permit for carrying a gun, and you have to figure that no more then one or two, very, very well vetted teachers will have the permits. Aside from that, those teachers will be required to keep the fact that they have the permits confidential. Aside from having a police officer on duty at a school at all times, (which is impractical or unnecessary for smaller, or relatively peaceful suburban schools) this seems to be the next best thing.

 

 

 

As the saying goes, "why should you carry a gun?.............because a whole cop is too heavy."

[Range_This11]

Honestly, this proposal makes sense to me. If you read the article, it details just how much training a teacher has to get to get the necessary permit for carrying a gun, and you have to figure that no more then one or two, very, very well vetted teachers will have the permits. Aside from that, those teachers will be required to keep the fact that they have the permits confidential. Aside from having a police officer on duty at a school at all times, (which is impractical or unnecessary for smaller, or relatively peaceful suburban schools) this seems to be the next best thing.

 

 

 

As the saying goes, "why should you carry a gun?.............because a whole cop is too heavy."

 

I can understand why you would want a conceal and carry in public locations, but to have any type of gun in a classroom is honestly where I draw the line. The only guns should be at the entrance where a trained security guard or policeman is.

[Kriegsmier]

Eh idk i'm all for concealed carry and guns, but won't this just defeat part of the purpose of the School Resource Officers? For those that don't know, SRO's are police officers assigned to the school by the local police department (County in South Carolina's case) that are at school every day to deal with fights, weapons, etc.

 

 

 

College campuses maybe yes teachers carrying guns might be ok. But at schools below that, i don't think its needed, especially if there is an SRO. In a case like that of the article, yes do it. 30mins from any police station, its needed. I think this would need to be determined on a case to case basis rather then wide spread general assumptions.

[Will H]

No way, that's just wrong. It shows what kind of terrible world you Americans have to live in.

 

 

 

Can you imagine how the atmosphere in a classroom would be like if everyone knew the teacher had a gun? :shame: Sure, they won't misbehave, but they won't learn either.

[Kenshinjapan]

No way, that's just wrong. It shows what kind of terrible world you Americans have to live in.

 

 

 

Can you imagine how the atmosphere in a classroom would be like if everyone knew the teacher had a gun? :shame: Sure, they won't misbehave, but they won't learn either.

 

 

 

You talk like a teacher is a crazy lunatic waving their gun in the faces of children =D> . I don't see why a classroom would be terrified of an adult carrying a concealed gun with proper training. It's not like there's a big bin of guns being passed out at the door to the teachers :) .

[Kriegsmier]

And whos to say the teacher would announce it to the kids? Isn't that the whole point of it being concealed? Seriously people think before you react. A concealed weapon is concealed for a reason. Its so you don't go around like billy the kid or Wyatt Earp with a gun strapped to your hip. We arn't western gunslingers.

 

 

 

I'd relate this to Air Marshals. You don't know who is one and who isn't. Their weapons are concealed and its not like they annonce their presence. The teachers will do the same. Its only an "in case" precaution. I.e. Break incase of fire sort of thing.

[Range_This11]

Yeah what happens if they just flip, I've had plenty of teachers flip on me. Most of them turn red in the face and scream at the top of their lungs at me or another kid. Now put a gun on them. You're telling me that they're going to exercise enough self control to not even THINK about using it or pulling it out? I don't think so.

 

 

 

Schools and churches are two of the last places on earth you can go for sanctuary. You're supposed to feel safe there and you're supposed to be able to learn. Guns will nullify all of that.

[Lenticular_J]

Honestly, this proposal makes sense to me. If you read the article, it details just how much training a teacher has to get to get the necessary permit for carrying a gun, and you have to figure that no more then one or two, very, very well vetted teachers will have the permits. Aside from that, those teachers will be required to keep the fact that they have the permits confidential. Aside from having a police officer on duty at a school at all times, (which is impractical or unnecessary for smaller, or relatively peaceful suburban schools) this seems to be the next best thing.

 

 

 

As the saying goes, "why should you carry a gun?.............because a whole cop is too heavy."

 

I can understand why you would want a conceal and carry in public locations, but to have any type of gun in a classroom is honestly where I draw the line. The only guns should be at the entrance where a trained security guard or policeman is.

 

Most of those trained security guards and policemen only visit a school at times when something is more probable to happen, while they do nothing, even leaving during the rest of the day. It's how a kid got stabbed last year. My teacher stopped it with his hands.

 

 

 

It would be a trained teacher obviously, and as has been said, it would be concealed. Plus, many school policemen here don't even carry anything aside from a police baton. That won't stop a gunman (gunstudent?) 40 feet down the hall. Teachers have given their lives at shootings like Columbine trying to protect their students with their bodies, now they can fight back instead of simply be a shield.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you honestly think an adult would do that? More specifically, do you think the school board would allow a teacher that has been known to have a temper carry the weapon? Teachers are adults, and for the most part, in their thirties to fifties. They've lived a lot longer than the teenager bringing a knife to school to stab someone, they do have self-control. They can think about it, I can think about dancing on a cloud. Does that mean I'm going to do it? Well, in my case yes, but in the teacher's case, no. They aren't wildcard students that don't give a [bleep] about their life. They're teachers. Pretty sure they aren't doing this for the amazing pay. I'm sure they'd be fired on the spot if they even pulled out their weapon without a reason, if they weren't arrested.

 

 

 

Why is that? Concealed weapon, they won't be able to see it. There's a gun at the entrance if there's a security guard with one, and that certainly won't stop their learning. I dunno about you, but I believe that teachers are (for the most part) smarter and have a helluva lot more self-control than me. I'd feel safer if my teacher was trained to shoot and had a gun.

 

 

 

Here's a question. When your teachers "flipped" on you, did they take a chair and beat you with it? Did they threaten to? Because they could have done that easily. If they didn't, why would they pull out a gun and shoot a child?

[Range_This11]

 

Here's a question. When your teachers "flipped" on you, did they take a chair and beat you with it? Did they threaten to? Because they could have done that easily. If they didn't, why would they pull out a gun and shoot a child?

 

Because it's easy; conveinient. I'm not even saying actually shooting the gun, but threatening a student with it is just as wrong in my eyes. A teacher could say "The student was threatening me and I felt it necessary to use my gun to calm him or her down." Teacher's word against student's. Whose are your going to take? All your other rebuttle please see my part about schools being "sanctuary". It's not that I don't want a person having a gun, rather the fact that guns in a classroom is absolutely ridiculous. It's a place of learning, not a place of fear.

[Kriegsmier]

Yeah what happens if they just flip, I've had plenty of teachers flip on me. Most of them turn red in the face and scream at the top of their lungs at me or another kid. Now put a gun on them. You're telling me that they're going to exercise enough self control to not even THINK about using it or pulling it out? I don't think so.

 

 

 

I think so yes. Yelling is harmless. Perhaps the kids should be more mature in the first place (in high school).

 

 

 

Schools and churches are two of the last places on earth you can go for sanctuary. You're supposed to feel safe there and you're supposed to be able to learn. Guns will nullify all of that.

 

 

 

Key word is supposed to. Unfortunately these days that is not the case, as seen by all the campus shootings over the past 10 years. Like it or not, they happen, and unfortunately they will continue to happen. All we can do is prepare ourselves. Personally i trust teachers more then a rent a cop security guard. The teachers are teaching because they want to help kids in the first place, lord knows the money isn't there.

 

 

 

I'm sure there are rules as to when to pull the gun. A simple threat would not warrant the use of the gun. I'd think it would be only for life threatening situations, meaning another weapon is present.

[Lenticular_J]

 

Here's a question. When your teachers "flipped" on you, did they take a chair and beat you with it? Did they threaten to? Because they could have done that easily. If they didn't, why would they pull out a gun and shoot a child?

 

Because it's easy; conveinient. I'm not even saying actually shooting the gun, but threatening a student with it is just as wrong in my eyes. A teacher could say "The student was threatening me and I felt it necessary to use my gun to calm him or her down." Teacher's word against student's. Whose are your going to take? All your other rebuttle please see my part about schools being "sanctuary". It's not that I don't want a person having a gun, rather the fact that guns in a classroom is absolutely ridiculous. It's a place of learning, not a place of fear.

 

It would be just as easy for a teacher to pick up a stool and threaten you with it the next time you're at school (Oh, wait, you're out of school. Nevermind that.). But they don't.

 

 

 

As I was talking to...Lionhart? (I think, sorry :?) The world is ruled by fear of what has or could happen anyways. The security guards and metal detectors are a result of fear. This is just more fear.

[Range_This11]

 

Key word is supposed to. Unfortunately these days that is not the case, as seen by all the campus shootings over the past 10 years. Like it or not, they happen, and unfortunately they will continue to happen. All we can do is prepare ourselves. Personally i trust teachers more then a rent a cop security guard. The teachers are teaching because they want to help kids in the first place, lord knows the money isn't there.

 

 

 

I'm sure there are rules as to when to pull the gun. A simple threat would not warrant the use of the gun. I'd think it would be only for life threatening situations, meaning another weapon is present.

 

You know actually in the history of my high school, there has never been any type of weapon brought into the school. I know that within a 100 mile radius of me (excluding Minneapolis and St. Paul) that there has NEVER been a school shooting or gun brought to school.

 

 

 

I hate to make the stereotype, but I believe that the inner city schools are the ones that would need guns there. What I say is post guards at side entrances and put metal detectors at the doors. I really don't understand why people are so happy to accept guns in a classroom and I realy have to wonder if I am the last person on earth that sees putting guns in the hands of teachers going down a terrible road. I think the last time I saw guns in a classroom was from some old videos in history class, but it was tough to understand what was going on since they were doing this weird high-stepping walk and talking in German.

[Lenticular_J]

I hate to make the stereotype, but I believe that the inner city schools are the ones that would need guns there.

 

I agree whole-heartedly. Even though they aren't always the locations of shootings, it's obvious that's where they bring weapons in the first place.

[Range_This11]

 

I agree whole-heartedly. Even though they aren't always the locations of shootings, it's obvious that's where they bring weapons in the first place.

 

And you know it has kind of always irked me how school shootings in these rural towns (such as the one I live in) get so much news and popularity, perhaps tongue in cheek popularity, but yet I would venture to say there are at least twice as many inner city shootings at schools or playgrounds than in rural areas. Yet no one feels bad for the inner city ones. No one even bats an eye.