Kenshinjapan Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 I agree whole-heartedly. Even though they aren't always the locations of shootings, it's obvious that's where they bring weapons in the first place. And you know it has kind of always irked me how school shootings in these rural towns (such as the one I live in) get so much news and popularity, perhaps tongue in cheek popularity, but yet I would venture to say there are at least twice as many inner city shootings at schools or playgrounds than in rural areas. Yet no one feels bad for the inner city ones. No one even bats an eye. Far more than in rural areas. I'd guess at least 10x. It's not that people don't care, but it's just a common thing in bigger cities. In smaller cities where "everyone knows everyone", the school killing will make the front page. But in the big city, the bank robbery and mass murders will jump to the front. YOU! ATTEND TET EVENTS! CLICK HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 No way, that's just wrong. It shows what kind of terrible world you Americans have to live in. Can you imagine how the atmosphere in a classroom would be like if everyone knew the teacher had a gun? :shame: Sure, they won't misbehave, but they won't learn either. You talk like a teacher is a crazy lunatic waving their gun in the faces of children =D> . I don't see why a classroom would be terrified of an adult carrying a concealed gun with proper training. It's not like there's a big bin of guns being passed out at the door to the teachers :) . If a group of kids are not nervous around their teacher who they know has a gun, whether they know how to use it or not, I think shows a serious problem in society. Guns should never be the norm, especially in a classroom. Kids don't care about things like training, it's the fact that that teacher has the potential in his pocket to easily kill someone. ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenshinjapan Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 No way, that's just wrong. It shows what kind of terrible world you Americans have to live in. Can you imagine how the atmosphere in a classroom would be like if everyone knew the teacher had a gun? :shame: Sure, they won't misbehave, but they won't learn either. You talk like a teacher is a crazy lunatic waving their gun in the faces of children =D> . I don't see why a classroom would be terrified of an adult carrying a concealed gun with proper training. It's not like there's a big bin of guns being passed out at the door to the teachers :) . If a group of kids are not nervous around their teacher who they know has a gun, whether they know how to use it or not, I think shows a serious problem in society. Guns should never be the norm, especially in a classroom. Kids don't care about things like training, it's the fact that that teacher has the potential in his pocket to easily kill someone. I wouldn't be afraid of the person that has my potential future in their hands if they have a gun. If you're trusting your career to a teacher, you might as well be entrusting your life. YOU! ATTEND TET EVENTS! CLICK HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 The town involved is in the middle of the desert, near the border, and had a graduating class last year of four. It's nothing atypical. But thank you for stereotyping Texans, who make up some of the most educated and successful Americans, for no reason. I am sure if you gave me five minutes I could find something stupid to say about wherever you are from. Please take the time to be classy and get off of your bigotry, all of you. The vast majority of Texans think the bill is stupid, but it's the county's right to do that. It would not happen anywhere else in Texas. Ever. As for someone who claimed that many teachers in the US are unqualified, Texas State Law requires that ALL teachers have state issued certification that requires a college degree and a certain amount of credit in the content area. And as of this morning, no teachers in that county have been packing heat. No way, that's just wrong. It shows what kind of terrible world you Americans have to live in. What a terrible world we live in where we have religious, political, social freedoms, can say what we want without fear of censure or someone breaking down our door in the middle of the night. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenshinjapan Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 The town involved is in the middle of the desert, near the border, and had a graduating class last year of four. It's nothing atypical. But thank you for stereotyping Texans, who make up some of the most educated and successful Americans, for no reason. I am sure if you gave me five minutes I could find something stupid to say about wherever you are from. Please take the time to be classy and get off of your bigotry, all of you. The vast majority of Texans think the bill is stupid, but it's the county's right to do that. It would not happen anywhere else in Texas. Ever. As for someone who claimed that many teachers in the US are unqualified, Texas State Law requires that ALL teachers have state issued certification that requires a college degree and a certain amount of credit in the content area. And as of this morning, no teachers in that county have been packing heat. No way, that's just wrong. It shows what kind of terrible world you Americans have to live in. What a terrible world we live in where we have religious, political, social freedoms, can say what we want without fear of censure or someone breaking down our door in the middle of the night. I'm sure the rocket-scientists at NASA would get a kick out of this thread :lol: . Anyways, I'm glad there's a few people out there who actually know about the Texas education system. YOU! ATTEND TET EVENTS! CLICK HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Barihawk's a teacher, and, assuming from his location, in my town. I'd hope he knew more about our education system then us :lol: catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted August 19, 2008 Author Share Posted August 19, 2008 Anytime Bari, I knew it was only a matter of time before you replied to this topic. Even though you haven't been around, I knew it wouldn't escape you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Barihawk's a teacher, and, assuming from his location, in my town. I'd hope he knew more about our education system then us :lol: I am not in Lubbock anymore, I've moved to Nacogdoches. I need to update my profile. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 No way, that's just wrong. It shows what kind of terrible world you Americans have to live in. Can you imagine how the atmosphere in a classroom would be like if everyone knew the teacher had a gun? :shame: Sure, they won't misbehave, but they won't learn either. You talk like a teacher is a crazy lunatic waving their gun in the faces of children =D> . I don't see why a classroom would be terrified of an adult carrying a concealed gun with proper training. It's not like there's a big bin of guns being passed out at the door to the teachers :) . If a group of kids are not nervous around their teacher who they know has a gun, whether they know how to use it or not, I think shows a serious problem in society. Guns should never be the norm, especially in a classroom. Kids don't care about things like training, it's the fact that that teacher has the potential in his pocket to easily kill someone. I wouldn't be afraid of the person that has my potential future in their hands if they have a gun. If you're trusting your career to a teacher, you might as well be entrusting your life. Er, right. You do realise that anybody who has a gun has your potential future in their hands? Living is so much more than careers, you know. ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenshinjapan Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 No way, that's just wrong. It shows what kind of terrible world you Americans have to live in. Can you imagine how the atmosphere in a classroom would be like if everyone knew the teacher had a gun? :shame: Sure, they won't misbehave, but they won't learn either. You talk like a teacher is a crazy lunatic waving their gun in the faces of children =D> . I don't see why a classroom would be terrified of an adult carrying a concealed gun with proper training. It's not like there's a big bin of guns being passed out at the door to the teachers :) . If a group of kids are not nervous around their teacher who they know has a gun, whether they know how to use it or not, I think shows a serious problem in society. Guns should never be the norm, especially in a classroom. Kids don't care about things like training, it's the fact that that teacher has the potential in his pocket to easily kill someone. I wouldn't be afraid of the person that has my potential future in their hands if they have a gun. If you're trusting your career to a teacher, you might as well be entrusting your life. Er, right. You do realise that anybody who has a gun has your potential future in their hands? Living is so much more than careers, you know. You're missing the point, why be afraid of someone who holds your financial future just because they carry a gun? YOU! ATTEND TET EVENTS! CLICK HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Why are we nesting quotes so badly? My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Er, right. You do realise that anybody who has a gun has your potential future in their hands? Living is so much more than careers, you know. Don't. Seriously, just don't bother. They'll never understand our attitude towards guns. It's an inalienable right to them. It's their loss. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Don't. Seriously, just don't bother. They'll never understand our attitude towards guns. It's an inalienable right to them. It's their loss. We'll just let them kill each other off with their precious guns ;) "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenshinjapan Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Don't. Seriously, just don't bother. They'll never understand our attitude towards guns. It's an inalienable right to them. It's their loss. We'll just let them kill each other off with their precious guns ;) Is flaming people who wish teachers to have some sort of defense really necessary? YOU! ATTEND TET EVENTS! CLICK HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Don't. Seriously, just don't bother. They'll never understand our attitude towards guns. It's an inalienable right to them. It's their loss. We'll just let them kill each other off with their precious guns ;) Is flaming people who wish teachers to have some sort of defense really necessary? It's sick and warped. How many school shootings really happen out of the hundreds of thousands of schools? Does every teacher really need to be paranoid someone in the classroom is going to massacre everyone? Giving 'combat training' to teachers sounds absurd. If someone's going to kill their classmates, they will already know the teacher has a gun. There's no stopping it at that point, they'll just start shooting on lunch break or somewhere with no teachers. The only, single way to prevent those shootings is to evaluate mental health of students who are worryingly depressed, miss a lot of school for no reason, feel sad/suicidal way too much, and help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenshinjapan Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 It's sick and warped. How many school shootings really happen out of the hundreds of thousands of schools? Does every teacher really need to be paranoid someone in the classroom is going to massacre everyone? Giving 'combat training' to teachers sounds absurd. If someone's going to kill their classmates, they will already know the teacher has a gun. There's no stopping it at that point, they'll just start shooting on lunch break or somewhere with no teachers. The only, single way to prevent those shootings is to evaluate mental health of students who are worryingly depressed, miss a lot of school for no reason, feel sad/suicidal way too much, and help them. Dangerous schools in large cities could definitely use teachers holding some sort of self defense. And as for the the student knowing the teacher had a gun wouldn't happen since the teacher has the weapon concealed. But if the schools didn't want to pay for some teachers to get concealed weapons, the teacher should have the option to in fear for their own life. You're right about teachers not bring there at lunch, but in most school shootings, the students are in high school and eat lunch off campus anyways. I do agree that it wouldn't be realistic to mentally evaluate all students, though. YOU! ATTEND TET EVENTS! CLICK HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 This is a tough topic. On the one hand, schools would be much, MUCH safer. But knowing someone has a gun in the room can make you nervous, thus making ti harder to learn. You can have one or another, but not both. My solution to this problem? Tasers. Non-lethal, but they do their part :D Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das1330 Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 This is a tough topic. On the one hand, schools would be much, MUCH safer. But knowing someone has a gun in the room can make you nervous, thus making ti harder to learn. That depends on the individual. As I type this, I have 4 guns within 5 feet of me, and yet I feel perfectly fine. If you are a person that believes that inanimate objects are somehow directly responsible for killing people, then yes, I can see having a gun sitting in closet somewhere could be discomforting. But in areas like where this school district is where the police are too far away to help in the event of a school shooting, having staff members trained and equipped to deal with such a situation is the next best thing. I can guarantee you that this school will never have a school shooting, and if by some strange freak occurrence it does, it will be stopped quickly by these armed teachers. My solution to this problem? Tasers. Non-lethal, but they do their part :D The problem with tasers has been shown with police. Because they are supposedly nonlethal, the police are more willing to use them on unruly suspects when they shouldn't be used. Even though they don't generally kill people they are still very dangerous, so we get a fair number of people killed with them. With a gun, it would never be used in any but the most extreme situations because the people using them (in this case the teachers) know that they are deadly weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 As a teacher who owns guns, I can safely say I would never want to carry one to school with me. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 It's sick and warped. How many school shootings really happen out of the hundreds of thousands of schools? Does every teacher really need to be paranoid someone in the classroom is going to massacre everyone?/quote] I don't understand why you think it's sick and warped. It's a piece of metal what throws other pieces of metal. You act like the students will be tied up and tortured. There are only thousands of schools in America I believe, and there's one school shooting where at least one person is killed per month of the school year. There's at least one threat of a shooting/bombing to a school per day, although obviously most aren't followed up on, and many are "jokes" like things you'd find on 4Chan. On feeling uncomfortable, I would only feel uncomfortable with a teacher who I knew was unstable or unqualified to be trained for it. Teachers have kept unloaded rifles (many whose trigger mechanisms were taken apart as well) in classrooms all my life. I doubt the students would be notified which teachers are doing the program; that's idiotic. Plus, concealed weapon argument. Also, I could ask the principle to take away the right of any teacher to have a gun in the classroom. He/She may not allow it with only me asking, but a petition gets almost anyone's attention. Tazers kill. And they hurt. I'd much prefer a quick death via bullet to the head than being tazed to death. All the same, like Barihawk, I doubt many teachers would even sign up for it. It's an optional program, and even in the most gun-friendly county in the nation, no more than a few teachers at a school would sign up or even be qualified for it. EDIT: Fixed the quote. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 If you are a person that believes that inanimate objects are somehow directly responsible for killing people No, but misunderstandings are possible. At least then with a taser, it won't matter as much. Because they are supposedly nonlethal, the police are more willing to use them on unruly suspects when they shouldn't be used A very good point, but as long as you only shoot once, which should be the case when used on people around that age, there really isn't a problem. Anyway, there just needs to be strict guidelines of when the taser is used. 1. Person is armed. 2. Person will not back down and is threatening with fists. Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 This is one of those things where liberals get all outraged and say that it's going to be a massacre of small children when in reality probably very few teachers will even take advantage of it and they will eventually forget about it. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 A very good point, but as long as you only shoot once, which should be the case when used on people around that age, there really isn't a problem. Anyway, there just needs to be strict guidelines of when the taser is used. 1. Person is armed. 2. Person will not back down and is threatening with fists/weapon. And those guidelines would be, for some reason, ignored if a gun is involved? (Added something to it, most teachers could handle a student trying to get into a fistfight without pulling out a weapon) catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 This is one of those things where liberals get all outraged and say that it's going to be a massacre of small children when in reality probably very few teachers will even take advantage of it and they will eventually forget about it. I'm not a liberal and I very strongly disagree with it. Great job on the generalizations once again, though. Your powers of ignorance continue to amaze me. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Im starting to like the taser idea if this restriction is put in place, the teacher is only to use the taser if the student has a weapon of any kind or is actively assaulting another student/faculty. Finally, we should make sure that the tasers used are at a lower voltage, high enough to disable anyone but very unlikely to cause fatalities unless there is a prexisting condition edit--i had insulting instead of assaulting(that would be bad if anyone using insults was getting zapped lol) Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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