The Elder Race, The Mahjarrat

[brando13a]

As I said in a previous post, Immortality is a very misunderstood topic, because it's not actually know what Immortality entails. Most have the idea that its living forever impervious to death in any form and just being plain awesome.

 

 

 

However, many philosophers throughout the ages have considered Immortality, the idea of living forever, more a curse than a blessing, because immortals would no doubt go insane from the sheer extent of their existance.

 

 

 

Others speculate different forms of Immortality exist- ranging from the aformentioned to obscure forms of immortality through ancient rites and reincarnation.

 

 

 

In the end, we cant know how Jagex classifies immortality until they tell us their view on it. We know for a fact that Mahjarrat CAN be ressurected (Hazeel) and so we can check off immortality through ressurection/ancient rites.

 

 

 

As for Zaros, The staff of armadyl DID "steal" some of his power to Zamorak, this info is given in game as well as posted here, as for Zaros dieing; There is nothing to give proof or validation to this, only the vague inclination due to his abscence.

 

 

 

Personally I'd say Zaros is gonna make a return, I really hope he does, because it would add a great new plot and dynamic to the game, a quest where we actually loose would be really cool, rather than hero win. hero win. hero win.

 

 

 

So lets all cross our fingers and hope that Zaros is brought back from wherever he is so that he can do whatever it is he does.

[Obtaurian]

Btw its spelled: Frenaskae, and it was Guthix who brought powerful warriors from this plane of existance into Gielenor to balance out some of the forces already in play... It was THESE warriors who brought the Dragon weapons and armor with them...

 

 

 

Also, the origins of The Mahjarrat are unknown... The only CERTAIN things we know about them are some of the people who were in it:

 

Hazeel

 

Lucien

 

Zamorak (read on)

 

Malak

 

Azzenadra (before he was betrayed by the rest, read on)

 

The Oracle

 

Kamil

 

Fareed

 

Damis

 

Drakan

 

Zemouregal

 

 

 

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It was when Zaros had become the strongest of Gods that Zamorak, merely a mortal Mahjarrat at the time and the general of Zaros forces, had grown power hungry. Zamorak wished to take the power for himself, and so, with the help of some fellow Mahjarrat and the Vampyre Lord Drakan, he managed to get his hands on the Staff of Armadyl, a very powerful weapon.

 

Zamorak then encountered Zaros wielding the Godstaff of Armadyl in his hands, but even though Zamorak had the help of a God weapon, he was still not able to defeat Zaros. But it was then that Zaros tripped and fell onto the Godstaff of Armadyl which impaled him. A bright light was seen, and both began to fade out of existence. The battle was over and they were both gone, and as a result the Zarosian empire quickly fell to Saradomins forces without a god to defend it.

 

But then one day Zamorak reappeared, reborn and now immortal. The Staff of Armadyl had transferred some of Zaros godly powers to Zamorak, and he was now a god himself.

 

The following thing that happened was the God Wars between the god Saradomin, Zamorak, Bandos and Armadyl.

[/hide]

 

 

 

It failed to mention that the Staff of Armadyl also plunged itself into Zamorak himself, and that Zamorak at the time was "just" human.

 

 

 

This betrayal happened when Saradomin and Armadyl were fighting the forces of Zaros, and it took the effort of all Mahjarrat to keep them at bay, while Zamorak tried to assassinate Zaros...

 

 

 

As far as anyone knows, Azzenadra, the person you resque at the end of Desert Treasure, was the son of Zaros, providing key evidence that Zaros was the source of Ancient Magiks... Being his son though, Azzenadra couldnt be left to roam the world freely after the attempted assassination, and was thus imprisoned in the Pyramid we know as Jaldraocht...

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but a lot of your information is totally off. Malak, The Oracle, and the DT bosses are not Mahjarrat. It is never stated anywhere that they are. Azzanadra is not the son of Zaros, again, you're pulling information out of thin air. We know that Azzanadra is a very devout follower of Zaros, and one of the more powerful Mahjarrat. He was sealed away because he could not be killed.

 

 

 

Also, you seem to refer to the Mahjarrat as some sort of organization, rather than a race. They are in fact, a race.

[darkjab]

 

I'm sorry, but a lot of your information is totally off. Malak, The Oracle, and the DT bosses are not Mahjarrat. It is never stated anywhere that they are. Azzanadra is not the son of Zaros, again, you're pulling information out of thin air. We know that Azzanadra is a very devout follower of Zaros, and one of the more powerful Mahjarrat. He was sealed away because he could not be killed.

 

 

 

Also, you seem to refer to the Mahjarrat as some sort of organization, rather than a race. They are in fact, a race.

 

 

 

I cannot remember who Malak is at the moment, but I think the Oracle is a Mahjarrat, I'm too lazy to go hunting for any evidence at this moment but I think Hazeel mentions it.

 

 

 

I will apologise if I'm wrong when I do get about to hunting it down.

 

 

 

Everything else though your absolutely correct for sure :)

[Obtaurian]

 

I'm sorry, but a lot of your information is totally off. Malak, The Oracle, and the DT bosses are not Mahjarrat. It is never stated anywhere that they are. Azzanadra is not the son of Zaros, again, you're pulling information out of thin air. We know that Azzanadra is a very devout follower of Zaros, and one of the more powerful Mahjarrat. He was sealed away because he could not be killed.

 

 

 

Also, you seem to refer to the Mahjarrat as some sort of organization, rather than a race. They are in fact, a race.

 

 

 

I cannot remember who Malak is at the moment, but I think the Oracle is a Mahjarrat, I'm too lazy to go hunting for any evidence at this moment but I think Hazeel mentions it.

 

 

 

I will apologise if I'm wrong when I do get about to hunting it down.

 

 

 

Everything else though your absolutely correct for sure :)

 

 

 

Come to think of it, I do recall The Oracle being somehow related to the Mahjarrat. If you can dig anything up and let us know, that'd be great. :P

[Ts_Stormrage]

1: The Mahjarrat is the elite guard of Zaros

 

2: Azzenadra is definitly the son of Zaros, you learn this durng the Desert Treasure quest...

 

3: Malak is the one you get the Blood Diamond from...

 

 

 

The other 3 DT bosses (but not Dessous) are also Mahjarrat, as they are the ones who imprisoned Azzenadra, and from those you get those Diamonds (Ice, Shadow and Smoke)...

[darkjab]

1: The Mahjarrat is the elite guard of Zaros

 

2: Azzenadra is definitly the son of Zaros, you learn this durng the Desert Treasure quest...

 

3: Malak is the one you get the Blood Diamond from...

 

 

 

The other 3 DT bosses (but not Dessous) are also Mahjarrat, as they are the ones who imprisoned Azzenadra, and from those you get those Diamonds (Ice, Shadow and Smoke)...

 

 

 

1. Correct, they were his greatest warriors.

 

2. Azzandra was Zaros great champion, that is all, he did not say he was his son, anywhere, ever, nor has anyone else hinted at it. There is no evidence.

 

3. Malak is a vampire, and Draken is a vampyre, two completely different races to Mahjarrats. Since a vampire has the blood gem, that makes it debatable that Kamil, Fareed and Damis are Mahjarrats, although they probably are, since they most certainly are not human! :lol:

 

 

 

And I take back that the Oracle is a Mahjarrat, I cannot find any evidence about it, unless it was in game. I feel like I can remember that it was stated she was the wisest of them, and that Hazeel consulted her, but no, can't find anything :wall:

[Ts_Stormrage]

Its kind of hard to do, but re-do Desert Treasure and the 2 Shadow story lines...

 

 

 

Oh then I just thougth of another Mahjarrat:

 

 

 

General Khazard

[Byzantus]

 

Also, the conflict between Arrav and Zemouregal happened in the 4th age right? After the God Wars. So wouldn't the Guthixian Edicts be in place then? :-k

 

But did he handeled in the name of Zamorak when he attacked? There are theories that Lucien with the staff of Armadyl was also handeling for himself.

[Zaaps1]

Other Mahjarrat:

 

 

 

Enankra

 

Akthanakos

 

(Both from cutscene at the end of the quest.)

 

 

 

I do believe Zaros is still alive. Jagex WANTS use to think that he is dead. My proof? In a former god letter, Zamorak was very shaken up when the writer said Zaros was back. This either simply confirms he is afraid, or is really worried Zaros might be coming back any day now. The second proves he is still alive. Second, with that letter came a picture of a grave, which is in my avatar, incidentally. Certainly that inclines us to believe Zaros is dead, doesn't it?

 

 

 

And what about Iban? Iban is Zamorak's alleged son, isn't he? Although this doesn't mean he is a god, since Zamorak was not born a god. However if Zamorak is a Mahjarrat, then Iban should rightfully also be one, IF he is Zamorak's son.

 

 

 

EDIT: Mahjarrat CAN be killed. Many Mahjarrat came to RuneScape, but only few remain. (Learned from end of DT, I believe.) However, Zaros I do not believe to be dead. Also, Mahjarrat CAN be resurrected (Hazeel).

[DieselX]

I'm kinda annoyed with all of this. Jagex got all those really nice storylines they could pursuit.. like the wise old man, frozen door of gwd, trapdoor of ge, zaros, and mournings ends part 3. And it's taking so long, and instead they release random stuff, that's not necessarily bad, but I reckon they should use the resources to continue what they've started.

 

 

 

It's kinda like.. do it, or don't do it, don't make us wait forever.

[STDracula]

I'm kinda annoyed with all of this. Jagex got all those really nice storylines they could pursuit.. like the wise old man, frozen door of gwd, trapdoor of ge, zaros, and mournings ends part 3. And it's taking so long, and instead they release random stuff, that's not necessarily bad, but I reckon they should use the resources to continue what they've started.

 

 

 

It's kinda like.. do it, or don't do it, don't make us wait forever.

 

 

 

Yes!!!! don't make us wait 4 ever !!!!

 

 

 

p.s abit off topic Come on with clan war update !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mssw4 rock !!!!

[mervinator_9]

p.s abit off topic Come on with clan war update !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mssw4 rock !!!!

A bit? understatement of the century :lol:

 

 

 

Ot:

 

And what about Iban? Iban is Zamorak's alleged son, isn't he? Although this doesn't mean he is a god, since Zamorak was not born a god. However if Zamorak is a Mahjarrat, then Iban should rightfully also be one, IF he is Zamorak's son.

 

 

 

Iban was not really zamoraks son it was just a kind of a title, He was a human black knight who was killed in battle and brought back from the dead by a witch, so i dont really see how he could be a Mahjarrat :|

[darkjab]

Other Mahjarrat:

 

 

 

Enankra

 

Akthanakos

 

(Both from cutscene at the end of the quest.)

 

 

 

I do believe Zaros is still alive. Jagex WANTS use to think that he is dead. My proof? In a former god letter, Zamorak was very shaken up when the writer said Zaros was back. This either simply confirms he is afraid, or is really worried Zaros might be coming back any day now. The second proves he is still alive. Second, with that letter came a picture of a grave, which is in my avatar, incidentally. Certainly that inclines us to believe Zaros is dead, doesn't it?

 

 

 

And what about Iban? Iban is Zamorak's alleged son, isn't he? Although this doesn't mean he is a god, since Zamorak was not born a god. However if Zamorak is a Mahjarrat, then Iban should rightfully also be one, IF he is Zamorak's son.

 

 

 

EDIT: Mahjarrat CAN be killed. Many Mahjarrat came to RuneScape, but only few remain. (Learned from end of DT, I believe.) However, Zaros I do not believe to be dead. Also, Mahjarrat CAN be resurrected (Hazeel).

 

 

 

I hope I answer this properly, my mind's a little bit not there atm (21st bday and all) :lol:

 

 

 

Enakhra and Akthanatos are Mahjarrat yes and are loyal to Zaros!

 

 

 

It's possible that Zaros is alive, as long as people have faith in a god they truly cannot die, I believe Jagex mentioned this sometime before (although not quite in the same context) and it's the sole reason why Saradomin and Zamorak have tried to eliminate all traces of Zaros rule. Zaros seemed to merely be banished due to the transfer of power from his own body to Zamorak. I'm very confident we will see his return, but I'm worried that Jagex will limit it. Personally I'd love to see the end of Zamorak and the return of Zaros adding an imposing threat to the world and possibly be something specifically aimed at higher levelled players when thinking of quest lines, skills and rewards.

 

 

 

Iban was insane, he self-proclaimed himself as the son of Zamorak simply because he saw himself following the footsteps of Zamorak. Iban is most definitely human and was a previous leader of the Black Knights. I think he's mainly gained reputation for his lust of bloodshed?

 

 

 

I was going to make a comment about the immortality of the Mahjarrat in my last response but edited because I felt it had no contribution to what was actually happening in this thread. They have some degree of immortality which differs from Mahjarrat to Mahjarrat (as far as I'm aware). Lucien can technically not be killed as he just merely comes back from the dead, I'm assuming as a Necromancer that Zemouragel (sp?) will be exactly the same, the rest however do not die of age or disease but can be killed via murder. They most certainly can die as some would simply HAVE to during the God Wars, to allow the human race to gain access to Dragon equipment. Jagex suggested this in a god letter I think, mentioning that Humans looted their dead bodies to gain dragon equipment and eventually lost it due to other creatures.

 

 

 

Anyway this message is completely speculation based, feel free to disregard it.

[Maulmachine]

I'm kinda annoyed with all of this. Jagex got all those really nice storylines they could pursuit.. like the wise old man, frozen door of gwd, trapdoor of ge, zaros, and mournings ends part 3. And it's taking so long, and instead they release random stuff, that's not necessarily bad, but I reckon they should use the resources to continue what they've started.

 

 

 

It's kinda like.. do it, or don't do it, don't make us wait forever.

 

 

 

And the mithril door, this is sprouting some very interesting discussion, I think that a lot of these names have origins in other languages, i will try to decipher some of them.

[killermoab]

 

Enakhra and Akthanatos are Mahjarrat yes and are loyal to Zaros!

 

 

 

 

You're right that they are both Mahjarrat. Akthanatos is still loyal to Zaros, but Enakhra is loyal to Zamorak and built the temple in the Enakhra's Lament for Zamorak and trapped Akthanatos

[darkjab]

 

Enakhra and Akthanatos are Mahjarrat yes and are loyal to Zaros!

 

 

 

 

You're right that they are both Mahjarrat. Akthanatos is still loyal to Zaros, but Enakhra is loyal to Zamorak and built the temple in the Enakhra's Lament for Zamorak and trapped Akthanatos

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

Yes that's right :lol: I shame myself!

[Da_Latios]

Btw its spelled: Frenaskae, and it was Guthix who brought powerful warriors from this plane of existance into Gielenor to balance out some of the forces already in play... It was THESE warriors who brought the Dragon weapons and armor with them...

 

 

 

Also, the origins of The Mahjarrat are unknown... The only CERTAIN things we know about them are some of the people who were in it:

 

Hazeel

 

Lucien

 

Zamorak (read on)

 

Malak

 

Azzenadra (before he was betrayed by the rest, read on)

 

The Oracle

 

Kamil

 

Fareed

 

Damis

 

Drakan

 

Zemouregal

 

 

 

[hide=This is very accurate]

It was when Zaros had become the strongest of Gods that Zamorak, merely a mortal Mahjarrat at the time and the general of Zaros forces, had grown power hungry. Zamorak wished to take the power for himself, and so, with the help of some fellow Mahjarrat and the Vampyre Lord Drakan, he managed to get his hands on the Staff of Armadyl, a very powerful weapon.

 

Zamorak then encountered Zaros wielding the Godstaff of Armadyl in his hands, but even though Zamorak had the help of a God weapon, he was still not able to defeat Zaros. But it was then that Zaros tripped and fell onto the Godstaff of Armadyl which impaled him. A bright light was seen, and both began to fade out of existence. The battle was over and they were both gone, and as a result the Zarosian empire quickly fell to Saradomins forces without a god to defend it.

 

But then one day Zamorak reappeared, reborn and now immortal. The Staff of Armadyl had transferred some of Zaros godly powers to Zamorak, and he was now a god himself.

 

The following thing that happened was the God Wars between the god Saradomin, Zamorak, Bandos and Armadyl.

[/hide]

 

 

 

It failed to mention that the Staff of Armadyl also plunged itself into Zamorak himself, and that Zamorak at the time was "just" human.

 

 

 

This betrayal happened when Saradomin and Armadyl were fighting the forces of Zaros, and it took the effort of all Mahjarrat to keep them at bay, while Zamorak tried to assassinate Zaros...

 

 

 

As far as anyone knows, Azzenadra, the person you resque at the end of Desert Treasure, was the son of Zaros, providing key evidence that Zaros was the source of Ancient Magiks... Being his son though, Azzenadra couldnt be left to roam the world freely after the attempted assassination, and was thus imprisoned in the Pyramid we know as Jaldraocht...

 

It's Freneskae.

[Obtaurian]

1: The Mahjarrat is the elite guard of Zaros

 

2: Azzenadra is definitly the son of Zaros, you learn this durng the Desert Treasure quest...

 

3: Malak is the one you get the Blood Diamond from...

 

 

 

The other 3 DT bosses (but not Dessous) are also Mahjarrat, as they are the ones who imprisoned Azzenadra, and from those you get those Diamonds (Ice, Shadow and Smoke)...

 

 

 

1. Correct, they were his greatest warriors.

 

2. Azzandra was Zaros great champion, that is all, he did not say he was his son, anywhere, ever, nor has anyone else hinted at it. There is no evidence.

 

3. Malak is a vampire, and Draken is a vampyre, two completely different races to Mahjarrats. Since a vampire has the blood gem, that makes it debatable that Kamil, Fareed and Damis are Mahjarrats, although they probably are, since they most certainly are not human! :lol:

 

 

 

And I take back that the Oracle is a Mahjarrat, I cannot find any evidence about it, unless it was in game. I feel like I can remember that it was stated she was the wisest of them, and that Hazeel consulted her, but no, can't find anything :wall:

 

 

 

Actually, Draken is a Mahjarrat. I do not remember where it's stated, but it's definitely there somewhere. From what I've gathered from the Myreque quests is that Vampyres are descendants of Mahjarrat, and are also part Icyene, though I think that may only be the Vyrewatch...

 

 

 

The Mahjarrat are very interesting, because they seem to all have their own traits. They may be a race, but none of them are alike, other than the ability to shapeshift. So far, it's been shown that the Mahjarrat can shift their heads into skulls, and some of them seem to have an affinity for animal heads.

 

 

 

Again, it's never stated anywhere that Kamil, Fareed, or Damis are Mahjarrat. They're simply guardian of the diamonds, put in place by whoever captured and imprisoned Azzanadra.

 

 

 

And TS, not once in DT does it mention Azzanadra being the son of Zaros. He is specifically referred to as his greatest champion.

 

 

 

And FURTHERMORE! (lawl), the Oracle is definitely mentioned in some Mahjarrat quest, somewhere. I think you're about it being Hazeel.