The Elder Race, The Mahjarrat

[Brinner]

'You have failed, Arrav,' Zemouregal spoke with a voice made of a thousand whispering blades, 'I will come to Avarrocka and destroy it. There will be no tears for this town, for I shall lay waste to all mankind - you upstarts will see the elder race return to claim its dominion. My legions shall blot out the horizon on all sides, and you shall be the last to see the light. This I promise you.'

 

 

 

This is said by Zemouregal, who is a Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

So are they somehow related to the Elder Gods, does this mean that the Mahjarrat actually did come from RuneScape and not another world..?

 

 

 

Do you think we will see more about this in the next Arrav quest/the Varrock Invasion?

[Death_Dude74]

Yes. This quest appears to be tied to the sightings of an uninhibited Varrock from the Gorak's plane.

[mervinator_9]

The mahjarrat are not from Rs there from Frensanke(thats definately spelt wrong :oops: ), a plain of eternal warfair, this is the same plain dragon weapons were also supposedly brought from.

 

They arrived/were brought here as Itharins(sp) servants but most defected to zaros, i think, and went on to help him take over a large part of Rs,

 

Eventally the majority turned on zaros to, the leader of this group being Zamorak who killed zaros and took his title (little more complicated than that but its a tale for another time)

 

 

 

Anyway point being there not from Rs but another plain, and ye i would be awesome for a little more back story in the upcoming quest :thumbsup:

[brando13a]

I thought Fenskrae (sp?) housed a race called the Necrofei or something like that (talk to the impling at the imp chaser minigame, he tells you about dragon items, where they come from and who had them.

 

 

 

Anyway, the Majharrat are defenitely powerful beings whatever they are, strong mages, and appearantly immortal?

 

 

 

I hope the story behind them expands with this new quest, I want something that will bring Zaros back to RS (I want Zaros trim rune!!! :o )

 

 

 

Nice topic! :thumbsup:

[Wallettheif]

Yes. This quest appears to be tied to the sightings of an uninhibited Varrock from the Gorak's plane.

 

 

 

Ooh. Got any screenshots?

[Hydra_55555]

I thought Fenskrae (sp?) housed a race called the Necrofei or something like that (talk to the impling at the imp chaser minigame, he tells you about dragon items, where they come from and who had them.

 

 

 

Anyway, the Majharrat are defenitely powerful beings whatever they are, strong mages, and appearantly immortal?

 

 

 

I hope the story behind them expands with this new quest, I want something that will bring Zaros back to RS (I want Zaros trim rune!!! :o )

 

 

 

Nice topic! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Freneskae (I think that's right) was home to the Mahjarrat, but I've never heard anything about these Necrofei..?

 

 

 

I always just believed the lores that said the Dragonkin fashioned Dragon weapons and armour as a response to the fact they were immortal, but not invincible. Btw Mahjarrat are not immortal, just very long-living :P

 

 

 

I'm hoping that one of these hyped-up upcoming quest are finally going to take us to that damn island the museum has been promising to take us on for ages now. Zaros had his empire in that kingdom, so who knows :thumbsup:

[mervinator_9]

There are rumours that they are the original users and makers of the powerful Dragon equipment that is now in use today, though Fairy Aeryka in Zanaris claims that it was made by the Necrosyrtes. There is speculation that the Necrosyrtes could be the Dragonkin, or that it could simply be another name for the Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

Wouldn't take Rs wiki to be cannon though tbh :-#

[darkjab]

I believe the Dragonkin did make Dragon equipment but I think it was thanks to the Mahjarrat that it actually spread across Gielinor as it was the armour and weaponry they used during the 2nd and 3rd ages, and when Mahjarrats died they dropped their equipment which humans gathered and eventually lost during little trips to the KQ, KBD and whatever else Jagex decide to give Dragon items to.

 

 

 

That's just my assumption of trying to make sense of Jagex originally stating the Mahjarrat as the creators of Dragon and then shooting themselves in the foot with the introduction of the Dragonkin.

 

 

 

Although I still to this day cannot fathom as to why Humans began to use dragon armour when they had 3rd Age Armour which is 'better'. I guess supplies were extremely limited in those days too :lol:

[brando13a]

There are rumours that they are the original users and makers of the powerful Dragon equipment that is now in use today, though Fairy Aeryka in Zanaris claims that it was made by the Necrosyrtes. There is speculation that the Necrosyrtes could be the Dragonkin, or that it could simply be another name for the Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

Wouldn't take Rs wiki to be cannon though tbh :-#

 

 

 

well I was kinda close, the fairy who tells you is right beside the entrance to the minigame, and I knew there was Necro in the name he gave..

 

 

 

I'm out of the loop however on the discussion of Dragonkin/ Mahjarrat making dragon equipment.

 

 

 

I'm sure dragon equipment seemed alot more powerful when worn by the Mahjarrat, thats probably why humans want it so bad: the cool kid wore it to war so now everyone needs to go to Scape-mart to get one too.

[Brinner]

I know the story of the Mahjarrat and how they followed Zaros then Zamorak tried to defeat him with the help of Drakan, but failed but Zaros still died, and thats how Zamorak became like a god.

 

 

 

But the Dragonkin aren't immortal, Bob (The Jagex Cat, aka Robert the Strong, back in the day) killed a Dragonkin.

[Obtaurian]

There are rumours that they are the original users and makers of the powerful Dragon equipment that is now in use today, though Fairy Aeryka in Zanaris claims that it was made by the Necrosyrtes. There is speculation that the Necrosyrtes could be the Dragonkin, or that it could simply be another name for the Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

Wouldn't take Rs wiki to be cannon though tbh :-#

 

 

 

well I was kinda close, the fairy who tells you is right beside the entrance to the minigame, and I knew there was Necro in the name he gave..

 

 

 

I'm out of the loop however on the discussion of Dragonkin/ Mahjarrat making dragon equipment.

 

 

 

I'm sure dragon equipment seemed alot more powerful when worn by the Mahjarrat, thats probably why humans want it so bad: the cool kid wore it to war so now everyone needs to go to Scape-mart to get one too.

 

 

 

I believe I saw a thread on some forum once where the author said that "syrtes" is Latin for vulture? Perhaps it was bird of prey. Anyway, if you've done Tale of Two Cats, you'll see that the Dragonkin look extremely vulture like. So, I do believe that Dragon weapons were created by the Dragonkin.

[brando13a]

Immortality is an interesting concept- most assume it just means your a indestructable super-being who lives forever.

 

 

 

Personally I think Immortality is more along the lines of living so long nothing will last as long as you, living forever, but still capable of dieing, or the ability to be killed/die but come back/ be ressurected.

 

 

 

We've all done the quest with Hazeel, so we know they can come back for sure.

 

 

 

And Zamorak used the staff of Armadyl to steal Zaros' power, we dont know if Zaros is dead, or even if all of his powers are gone, only that he isnt on geilnor anymore, and Zamorak now has the status of a god.

 

 

 

 

 

And as for the Necrosyrtes/Dragonkin- All i know is, I want one. But dont want to have to run through a room full of them.

[Da_Latios]

No doubt this is somewhat groundbreaking... Yes, very interesting. I guess we'll have to wait for the next quest in the series!

 

 

 

Screens:

 

 

Gnome involvement? ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Da_Latios]

Immortality is an interesting concept- most assume it just means your a indestructable super-being who lives forever.

 

 

 

Personally I think Immortality is more along the lines of living so long nothing will last as long as you, living forever, but still capable of dieing, or the ability to be killed/die but come back/ be ressurected.

 

 

 

We've all done the quest with Hazeel, so we know they can come back for sure.

 

 

 

And Zamorak used the staff of Armadyl to steal Zaros' power, we dont know if Zaros is dead, or even if all of his powers are gone, only that he isnt on geilnor anymore, and Zamorak now has the status of a god.

 

 

 

 

 

And as for the Necrosyrtes/Dragonkin- All i know is, I want one. But dont want to have to run through a room full of them.

 

Zaros was supposedly banished to the realm of his origin - Frenneskae, where he is thought to be rebuilding his power.

[brando13a]

wow :shock: Nice pic's Latios!

 

 

 

I wonder what's gonna happen with it?

 

 

 

And thanks for the clarification- I knew my favorite god wouldnt be down and out \

 

 

 

 

 

(technically its a tie between Zaros and Guthix.. I wish they both had godswords)

[PumpkinPete112]

Since Jagex has lied to us before and said that an update will come out in the new future, and then i came out a month later, i believe THIS is the "Epic" quest. Not only does it feature elder gods, many different story lines, and and a full scale invasion, this quest has been set up by many different quests.

 

1. The Beginning Myrque quests were about the werewolves trying to invade varrock.

 

2. The shield of Arrav/Heros quest

 

3. the Mahjarrat is in the lore of Arrav, also mentions and (i believe encountered) in the Sophrem series.

 

4. Cant think of the rest

[killerbeer0]

He says "The elder race blah blah blah..." but he didn't say his legions were part of it.

[Brinner]

Zamorak didn't really kill Zaros though nor did he use the staff to steal his power to defeat him, but Zaros died.

 

 

 

It was when Zaros had become the strongest of Gods that Zamorak, merely a mortal Mahjarrat at the time and the general of Zaros forces, had grown power hungry. Zamorak wished to take the power for himself, and so, with the help of some fellow Mahjarrat and the Vampyre Lord Drakan, he managed to get his hands on the Staff of Armadyl, a very powerful weapon.

 

Zamorak then encountered Zaros wielding the Godstaff of Armadyl in his hands, but even though Zamorak had the help of a God weapon, he was still not able to defeat Zaros. But it was then that Zaros tripped and fell onto the Godstaff of Armadyl which impaled him. A bright light was seen, and both began to fade out of existence. The battle was over and they were both gone, and as a result the Zarosian empire quickly fell to Saradomins forces without a god to defend it.

 

But then one day Zamorak reappeared, reborn and now immortal. The Staff of Armadyl had transferred some of Zaros godly powers to Zamorak, and he was now a god himself.

 

The following thing that happened was the God Wars between the god Saradomin, Zamorak, Bandos and Armadyl.

[captainpoet]

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe the Mahjarrat are the original elder race of Gielenor...possibly an elder race from Feneskrae (spelling?) but not from Gielenor. The Dragonkin though are most definitely an elder race though. In fact they are the original race of which all dragons came from, and so forth...I'm unsure about this claim about the dragonkin smithing dragon weapons and armor though. That just sounds like a mix up between them and the Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

Also somebody earlier mentioned that the Dragonkin are immortal. If that is the case then how come Robert the Strong was a slayer of Dragonkin before he became Bob the cat?

[pulli23]

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe the Mahjarrat are the original elder race of Gielenor...possibly an elder race from Feneskrae (spelling?) but not from Gielenor. The Dragonkin though are most definitely an elder race though. In fact they are the original race of which all dragons came from, and so forth...I'm unsure about this claim about the dragonkin smithing dragon weapons and armor though. That just sounds like a mix up between them and the Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

Also somebody earlier mentioned that the Dragonkin are immortal. If that is the case then how come Robert the Strong was a slayer of Dragonkin before he became Bob the cat?

 

 

 

 

 

IN tolkien's world elves are supposed to be "immortal" too: yet many of them died in all eras. Immortallity only means in this concept that they won't die from natural cases.

 

 

 

A funny thing is that both elves from tolkien and the dragonkin were actually afraid from dieing, more so than the non-immortal humans!

[Ts_Stormrage]

Btw its spelled: Frenaskae, and it was Guthix who brought powerful warriors from this plane of existance into Gielenor to balance out some of the forces already in play... It was THESE warriors who brought the Dragon weapons and armor with them...

 

 

 

Also, the origins of The Mahjarrat are unknown... The only CERTAIN things we know about them are some of the people who were in it:

 

Hazeel

 

Lucien

 

Zamorak (read on)

 

Malak

 

Azzenadra (before he was betrayed by the rest, read on)

 

The Oracle

 

Kamil

 

Fareed

 

Damis

 

Drakan

 

Zemouregal

 

 

 

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It was when Zaros had become the strongest of Gods that Zamorak, merely a mortal Mahjarrat at the time and the general of Zaros forces, had grown power hungry. Zamorak wished to take the power for himself, and so, with the help of some fellow Mahjarrat and the Vampyre Lord Drakan, he managed to get his hands on the Staff of Armadyl, a very powerful weapon.

 

Zamorak then encountered Zaros wielding the Godstaff of Armadyl in his hands, but even though Zamorak had the help of a God weapon, he was still not able to defeat Zaros. But it was then that Zaros tripped and fell onto the Godstaff of Armadyl which impaled him. A bright light was seen, and both began to fade out of existence. The battle was over and they were both gone, and as a result the Zarosian empire quickly fell to Saradomins forces without a god to defend it.

 

But then one day Zamorak reappeared, reborn and now immortal. The Staff of Armadyl had transferred some of Zaros godly powers to Zamorak, and he was now a god himself.

 

The following thing that happened was the God Wars between the god Saradomin, Zamorak, Bandos and Armadyl.

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It failed to mention that the Staff of Armadyl also plunged itself into Zamorak himself, and that Zamorak at the time was "just" human.

 

 

 

This betrayal happened when Saradomin and Armadyl were fighting the forces of Zaros, and it took the effort of all Mahjarrat to keep them at bay, while Zamorak tried to assassinate Zaros...

 

 

 

As far as anyone knows, Azzenadra, the person you resque at the end of Desert Treasure, was the son of Zaros, providing key evidence that Zaros was the source of Ancient Magiks... Being his son though, Azzenadra couldnt be left to roam the world freely after the attempted assassination, and was thus imprisoned in the Pyramid we know as Jaldraocht...

[Ryuuka]

Zaros is considered the true god of evil by some, the true god of chaos by others, or the true god of both evil and chaos by the rest. He is called the "Empty Lord" because by merely mentioning his name, he is given power. He "freed" the Mahjarrat from Icthlarin and he used them in his army. He trained them and trained them till one decided to get Zaros out of the picture. Zaros had other races in his army including the Kalphites which some believe Zaros created from mere bugs in the sand. According to the Kalphite Queen they are still waiting diligently for his return, although they do not appear to be putting full effort into rescuing him. Zaros is considered to be the creator of the Ancient Magicks and it seems he wielded this magic quite well. Compared to Zamorak, some people find Zaros "good" and that's why some do not consider him the god of evil. Some players consider Bob the Cat to be Zaros in disguise or Zaros trapped in the cat form, this is not true because Bob is Robert the Strong, slayer of Dragonkin, and if Zaros was in anyway a part of Bob, the Sphinx would have noticed it. It is possible that Zaros has possessed Bob, but that is doubtful. After Zaros' downfall Ancient Saradomin Priests covered up the existence of Zaros, they went so far they even built a new city which is now known as Varrock right on top of Zaros' main area of where he was worshipped. The follows of Zaros of today include some of the remaining Mahjarrat, the Kalphites, and certain Goblins. The colors that could be used to symbolize Zaros are Purple and Light Tan.

 

 

 

found this on a site and its quite interesting since zaros is my fav god of all time with zamorak in 2nd place

[oropher]

 

Zaros was supposedly banished to the realm of his origin - Frenneskae, where he is thought to be rebuilding his power.

 

 

 

There's no evidence that Zaros came from Freneskae I think. He and most other gods did come from another realm though, but untill now we don't know where they came from.

[Fingon]

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe the Mahjarrat are the original elder race of Gielenor...possibly an elder race from Feneskrae (spelling?) but not from Gielenor. The Dragonkin though are most definitely an elder race though. In fact they are the original race of which all dragons came from, and so forth...I'm unsure about this claim about the dragonkin smithing dragon weapons and armor though. That just sounds like a mix up between them and the Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

Also somebody earlier mentioned that the Dragonkin are immortal. If that is the case then how come Robert the Strong was a slayer of Dragonkin before he became Bob the cat?

 

 

 

 

 

IN tolkien's world elves are supposed to be "immortal" too: yet many of them died in all eras. Immortallity only means in this concept that they won't die from natural cases.

 

 

 

A funny thing is that both elves from tolkien and the dragonkin were actually afraid from dieing, more so than the non-immortal humans!

 

 

 

They didn't really ''die'', as they went to Aman, and some of them even returned to Middle-Earth reincarnated (Glorfindel for example)

[thestig0]

I read that Zaros was banished the the shadow realm, which is a place during the Spirit of Summer quest, but I don't think Jagex realised this at the time.

 

 

 

Also, the conflict between Arrav and Zemouregal happened in the 4th age right? After the God Wars. So wouldn't the Guthixian Edicts be in place then? :-k