So, I'm bored.. Who doesn't accept Evolution?

[Range_This11]

 

Wow, why do people immidiately think that I pay no attention when we do Bio courses? Infact, the only reason I don't know too much about evolution was due to school changing and stuff, right when the old school was starting a topic on it.

 

 

 

It is worth it, because I see it as false, just as you see God as false.

 

I can understand that you believe in creationism for humans. That's completely understandable, but to say that evolution in animals is false, would be very untrue. Besides, biology doesn't study humans nearly as much as plants and animals. Animals evolve. That's just the plain truth.

[warri0r45]

I think you really need a Biology 101 course.

 

 

 

meh, no thanks, I hate biology, so glad I can drop it next year \

 

 

 

and you point about the moths is not evolution, it is just an example of that breed of moths becoming 'extinct' in that area, due to an abnormal growth in death by birds.

 

 

 

This is why these debates are useless, yet hilarious; those against evolution don't really have much of any idea what they're talking about. [That's why he told you to take a Bio course you twit].

 

 

 

Proving to anyone that evolution is "wrong" is about as possible as proving them that gravity is "wrong". It's not even worth calling it stupid anymore.

 

 

 

Wow, why do people immidiately think that I pay no attention when we do Bio courses? Infact, the only reason I don't know too much about evolution was due to school changing and stuff, right when the old school was starting a topic on it.

 

 

 

It is worth it, because I see it as false, just as you see God as false.

 

 

 

What you see as false isn't evolution. It's your entirely incorrect misconstruction of it. You've demonstrated that time and time again on these forums. Pick up a book and actually learn about it otherwise people are just going to be correcting your mistakes again and again.

[Lenticular_J]

What you see is false isn't evolution. It's your entirely incorrect misconstruction of it. You've demonstrated that time and time again on these forums. Pick up a book and actually learn about it otherwise people are just going to be correcting your mistakes again and again.

 

Easy. You get quite grumpy when people correct your mistakes that involve theology.

[warri0r45]

What you see is false isn't evolution. It's your entirely incorrect misconstruction of it. You've demonstrated that time and time again on these forums. Pick up a book and actually learn about it otherwise people are just going to be correcting your mistakes again and again.

 

Easy. You get quite grumpy when people correct your mistakes that involve theology.

 

 

 

What makes you say that? If I get something wrong, then by all means correct me. I welcome it. You can't seriously compare Mage continuously misrepresenting a well defined scientific concept and me arguing points of interpretation and opinion when it comes to god topics.

 

 

 

If mage doesn't believe in evolution, then I couldn't care less. But neglecting fundamental basics like natural selection when discussing how a rare trait becomes fixed in a population? That's like me talking about gravity and not mentioning matter, for christ's sake. It really is pretty comical.

 

 

 

So no, Lenticular, not easy.

[Lenticular_J]

What you see is false isn't evolution. It's your entirely incorrect misconstruction of it. You've demonstrated that time and time again on these forums. Pick up a book and actually learn about it otherwise people are just going to be correcting your mistakes again and again.

 

Easy. You get quite grumpy when people correct your mistakes that involve theology.

 

 

 

What makes you say that? If I get something wrong, then by all means correct me. I welcome it. You can't seriously compare Mage continuously misrepresenting a well defined scientific concept and me arguing points of interpretation and opinion when it comes to god topics.

 

 

 

If mage doesn't believe in evolution, then I couldn't care less. But neglecting fundamental basics like natural selection when discussing how a rare trait becomes fixed in a population? That's like me talking about gravity and not mentioning matter, for christ's sake. It really is pretty comical.

 

 

 

So no, Lenticular, not easy.

 

I meant take it easy.

[iLootChests]

 

 

 

What you see as false isn't evolution. It's your entirely incorrect misconstruction of it. You've demonstrated that time and time again on these forums. Pick up a book and actually learn about it otherwise people are just going to be correcting your mistakes again and again.

accually there is no proof as to which evolution exisist its all this 1 big consipiracy that there trying to brain wash children with rofl :lol:

[Dizzle229]

Like How2PK said, I think God created the Earth as it began, and evolution took it from there.

[Powman3]

Colbert put it in a great way: If it's a fact, why do you have to "believe" in it?

 

 

 

People shouldn't talk about evolution as something to believe in, it should just be: do you accept the facts and data or not?

 

 

 

I agree. I think evolution just has much more, you know, evidence/proof to back it up, so I think evolution makes much more sense.

[Dizzle229]

 

 

 

What you see as false isn't evolution. It's your entirely incorrect misconstruction of it. You've demonstrated that time and time again on these forums. Pick up a book and actually learn about it otherwise people are just going to be correcting your mistakes again and again.

accually there is no proof as to which evolution exisist its all this 1 big consipiracy that there trying to brain wash children with rofl :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

So now you're a conspiracy theorist? And the conspiracy in question is an almost definite scientific fact? Sure.

 

 

 

z0mg gaiz, teh guvrm3nt iz liein bout fotosintisis!1!!!!!!11!111!

 

 

 

My God, I just lost some IQ points from typing that sentence. Which reminds me of another thing. I don't mind a few mistakes here and there, but your posts are just too poorly typed to take seriously.

[aquariusman]

Well it's all theory but I think it's a little bit more explainable then creationism. If you watch a child from the time they're born to the time they die, they change over time. The human race should be able to do that as well.

 

 

 

What's your definition of theory in this context?

 

The definition of theory is usually a claim that has not be definitively proved with scientific backing. Evolution and Creation are theories.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by rigorous observations in the natural world, or by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections, inclusion in a yet wider theory, or succession. Commonly, many more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.

 

Of several competing theories, one theory may be superior to another in terms of its approximation of reality. Scientific tests of the quality of a theory include its conformity to known facts and its ability to generate hypotheses with outcomes that would predict further testable facts.

 

 

 

I have to copy/paste this so many times in these debates that, honestly, it gets old.

 

 

 

Fair enough, I was just too lazy to actually look up the definition, and just went by what I thought it was :oops:

 

 

 

I also guess that rules out Creation as a scientific theory.

[Rebdragon]

Wow, why do people immidiately think that I pay no attention when we do Bio courses? Infact, the only reason I don't know too much about evolution was due to school changing and stuff, right when the old school was starting a topic on it.

 

 

 

It is worth it, because I see it as false, just as you see God as false.

 

Watch where you're pointing that "you" mate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you see as false isn't evolution. It's your entirely incorrect misconstruction of it. You've demonstrated that time and time again on these forums. Pick up a book and actually learn about it otherwise people are just going to be correcting your mistakes again and again.

accually there is no proof as to which evolution exisist its all this 1 big consipiracy that there trying to brain wash children with rofl :lol:

 

A good troll is discreet. You are not a good troll. You are a bad troll.

[Perakp]

What do you guys think we humans are going to look like after the next notable step in our evolution?

 

 

 

Take into consideration:

 

- Natural selection in today's world

 

- War, diseases, climate warming etc ends of the world

 

- Culture evolution

 

 

 

For example three teenagers got killed in a car accident yesterday, what does this tell about natural selection and how has our modern culture affected the way evolution is taking us?

 

 

 

Also, how likely do you think the X-men-like mutations are? Humans vs mutants etc.

[EdgedThesis]

We don't have to bow down to the will of nature's random evolution anymore.

 

 

 

We now have the ability to restructure our own genetic code.

 

 

 

We have the potential to increase our abilities right now-- we don't have to wait.

[warri0r45]

What do you guys think we humans are going to look like after the next notable step in our evolution?

 

 

 

Take into consideration:

 

- Natural selection in today's world

 

- War, diseases, climate warming etc ends of the world

 

- Culture evolution

 

 

 

For example three teenagers got killed in a car accident yesterday, what does this tell about natural selection and how has our modern culture affected the way evolution is taking us?

 

 

 

Also, how likely do you think the X-men-like mutations are? Humans vs mutants etc.

 

 

 

I remember writing a paper on this topic in highschool. You can basically forget about the X-men thing straight away because it's not at all realistic.

 

 

 

My conclusion was basically that only the third world will see any significant evolution because they're more susceptible to dying from a disease where as we in the West treat and cure anyone who gets one. A gross oversimplification, I know, but you get the point. In a way, you can see vindication of this view in that allele frequencies for sickle cell anemia are higher in areas where malaria is pervasive. The rationale of that little evolutionary adaptation is that sickle cell anemia is the lesser of two evils.

 

 

 

Natural selection is more or less in our hands now. Or if it isn't in a practical sense (the third world), it is in principle.

[mmmcannibalism]

evolution only goes into our hands if we start controlling the entire genome that is passed on. Lets assume im talking about the near future when we start to custom inherit. Maybe parents in general prefer green eyes to blue and lets assume both blue and green eyes are just caused by a single gene and blue is dominant for the sake of example, and blue and green are the only two possible eye colors. If 1/4 people is green eyed and 3/4 is blue(made up numbers), yet all couples want green eyes if either of them has a gene where noone with blue eyes bothers to choose eye color. if 1/4 of people are green eyed then 7/16 of couples will have at least one green eyed partner. Out of those 7/16 1/16 are both green eyed and therefore would have a green eyed child anyway. out of the other 6/16 there would be varying degrees of likelyhood for them to have a green eyed child normally. If they all choose green eyes then the percent of green eyed children goes up along with the presence of the green eyed gene. If the next generation went through the same process eventually blue eyes wouldnt exist except for natural births.

 

 

 

this would be evolution by some for of selection

[EdgedThesis]

Yeah, but we could always bypass the entire generational thing and modify our bodies now.

 

 

 

Use a retrovirus that changes the structure of your cells.

 

 

 

I think there already is a gene therapy for diabetes patients that changes some of their intestinal cells to insulin producing ones.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Yeah, but we could always bypass the entire generational thing and modify our bodies now.

 

 

 

Use a retrovirus that changes the structure of your cells.

 

 

 

I think there already is a gene therapy for diabetes patients that changes some of their intestinal cells to insulin producing ones.

 

It only works temporarily, since the RNA contained in the virus doesn't establish itself on a fixed point on the chromosome, and this causes problems. The RNA may be placed in the middle of a gene, which would disrupt production of the protein from that gene. If that protein is needed for a vital biological process, then something can go seriously wrong.

 

 

 

For example, say the RNA strand is placed in the middle of a gene that produces a protein need for cell replication (mitosis). The protein isn't produced, since protein synthesis is dependent on the specific order of nucleotide bases, so the process takes a different path to its normal one. This leads to cell division becoming uncontrolled, in other words, cancer.

 

 

 

Of course, that's hypothetical, but it can still happen and shouldn't really be considered a treatment really.

 

 

 

It's a technology that's still "in the works", so to speak.

 

 

 

There is another technology, where strands of RNA are contained in lipid 'capsules', which are then sprayed into the mouth. The lipid can fuse with a cell membrane, allowing the RNA access to the cell's cytoplasm. tRNA then attaches to this mRNA strand to produce the protein. The problem with this, however, is that the mRNA never becomes part of the cell's genetic structure and therefore is lost when cell replication occurs. Also, because it's sprayed, most of it just stays in the mouth, instead of where it needs to go (which for a diabetic would be the pancreas). :?

 

 

 

There's no definite way to change the genetic make-up of our body's cells. Not yet anyway.

[EdgedThesis]

Damn--there I was hoping that we could cure... everything.

 

 

 

Oh well--with time it'll happen.