Islam Ads on Buses

[amoeba_009]

Turbins are probably uncomfortable anyway. No thanks. :D

 

 

 

Muslims dont wear turbans. The sikhs do. Its with good intent, but i have a strong feeling that it wont yeild any fruitfull results. Mostly due to ill informed views, and the wonderfull people who care less to know. Sometimes people are beyond [developmentally delayed].

 

 

 

Headscarfs then, or w/e you wanna call it.

 

 

 

Only some traditional muslim women wear the "headscarf". Good try though. Nice failing. I know a few practicing muslims who dont believe women should wear the burkha. Just like how theres different forms of Judaism in a modern say society. Islam and Christianity branch off from the same tree. Everything is more closley related them you think it is. Also, why do you think its not worth looking into?

[mrpez]

as a persian, albeit an atheist, i can tell you that many middle easterns, muslim or not, do not wear the "headscarf" and find it ridiculous.

 

 

 

scully sc i dont know who you are, but you come off as an arrogant bigot.

 

 

 

people are quick to point out the violence of the koran but seem to forget all the stonings and crucifictions in the bible. not to mention the sects of christianity that practice self-flagellation.

[Faux]

people are quick to point out the violence of the koran but seem to forget all the stonings and crucifictions in the bible. not to mention the sects of christianity that practice self-flagellation.

 

I grew up in a province where its famous for having people practice self-flagellation (one of my uncles actually did palaspas, but other people do crucify themselves also). Everyone knows that the people who perform those are nuts. It's just popular because the act itself is interesting, not the fact that they're doing it for Jesus.

[jackattack]

The burkha thing does gets silly sometimes. I heard a story about a lady who sued the dmv because they wouldn't let her take the picture for her license wearing it.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I'm with Matt. It's nothing to do with the followers, but an honest and literal interpretation of the Koran is disturbing. The sooner people realise that without holding it against the followers, the better.

 

What exactly is disturbing about Qu'ran in principle, any more disturbing than any other mainstream religion that is?

 

 

 

It basically says, "This religion is right, all others are wrong, if other religions attack your one, you may react with force". Really doesn't sound that different to Christianity, Sikhism or Judaism, if you take their literal meanings.

 

 

 

On another note, Islamic Baghdad had twelve hospitals about 500 years before London got its first. Not exactly the epitome of barbarianism you and Matt would be lead to believe.

[oegly41]

Yay! This will hopefully make people call this line when having questions! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Or will it? I really don't think it will have much affect, but I don't see how it can make anything worse, other than people thinking of Islam as annoying.

[Faux]

What exactly is disturbing about Qu'ran in principle, any more disturbing than any other mainstream religion that is?

 

 

 

Do you know how Islam was founded? I'm not trying to cheaply insult Islam here, but Muhammad was basically kicked out of his city for being such a nut. He went to Medina and tried to recruit more people there. And then you know what he did? He waged war on Mecca (city he was kicked out of) and conquered it. Pretty much killing whoever stood against him.

 

 

 

*That* was disturbing. Because unlike other things which could be considered a metaphor that could mean something else, this was actually documented. The basis of Islam is WAR. That's why it's so disturbing.

 

 

 

It basically says, "This religion is right, all others are wrong, if other religions attack your one, you may react with force". Really doesn't sound that different to Christianity, Sikhism or Judaism, if you take their literal meanings.

 

 

 

 

Maybe Jesus was teaching the wrong thing after all huh

[Ginger_Warrior]

What exactly is disturbing about Qu'ran in principle, any more disturbing than any other mainstream religion that is?

 

 

 

Do you know how Islam was founded? I'm not trying to cheaply insult Islam here, but Muhammad was basically kicked out of his city for being such a nut. He went to Medina and tried to recruit more people there. And then you know what he did? He waged war on Mecca (city he was kicked out of) and conquered it. Pretty much killing whoever stood against him.

 

 

 

*That* was disturbing. Because unlike other things which could be considered a metaphor that could mean something else, this was actually documented. The basis of Islam is WAR. That's why it's so disturbing.

 

 

 

It basically says, "This religion is right, all others are wrong, if other religions attack your one, you may react with force". Really doesn't sound that different to Christianity, Sikhism or Judaism, if you take their literal meanings.

 

 

 

 

Maybe Jesus was teaching the wrong thing after all huh

 

If we're talking about religion and violence, maybe we could move on to the story about Jesus in the temple?

 

 

 

Oh no, that's right, Islam bans gambling (how barbaric), so such a situation would never have existed anyway.

[dragoonson]

Shadow...A lot of people are seen as mad for believing in something different.Jesus,Buddha, (His original name is hard for me to spell...) many Jews (heh) and me.If I came to a community of christians sporting say,666 spirals and inverted pentagrams all over me,I'd probably be jailed for blasphemy,or something...Because my believes are different.

 

 

 

Additionally...Jerusalem,the Crusades...Also because of religion,you can't say its solely because Islam is a violent religion...The Egyptians ruled it rather well,its more of the Turks' fault...BUT the pope did declare war too early.So in that case,is Christianity violent?

 

 

 

Also,about the Qoran...They have what,~70 virgins waiting for them?They're only allowed to procreate with those they are married to,and they're only allowed to marry 4,that they love equally.If they forget about that part,they aren't true enough for heaven,IMO...

[Faux]

If we're talking about religion and violence, maybe we could move on to the story about Jesus in the temple?

 

 

 

Oh no, that's right, Islam bans gambling (how barbaric), so such a situation would never have existed anyway.

 

 

 

I'm having a hard time how you can compare that to waging a war, but OK

 

 

 

Shadow...A lot of people are seen as mad for believing in something different.Jesus,Buddha, (His original name is hard for me to spell...) many Jews (heh) and me.If I came to a community of christians sporting say,666 spirals and inverted pentagrams all over me,I'd probably be jailed for blasphemy,or something...Because my believes are different.

 

 

 

 

Are you going to kill them because they mock you?

 

 

 

THAT makes all the difference

[BlueLancer]

Turbins are probably uncomfortable anyway. No thanks. :D

 

 

 

Muslims dont wear turbans. The sikhs do. Its with good intent, but i have a strong feeling that it wont yeild any fruitfull results. Mostly due to ill informed views, and the wonderfull people who care less to know. Sometimes people are beyond [developmentally delayed].

 

 

 

Headscarfs then, or w/e you wanna call it.

 

You mean a burkha?

 

 

 

In fact, actually, that's proof more religious education's needed.

 

 

 

I don't really care what it's called, just a rag really. Nah I don't think more religious education is needed tbh, I just don't care about that lesson.

 

 

 

It's a shemagh wrapped around the head to protect from dizziness and extreme exposure to the sun & sand dust/storms... People use anything that helps in survival, just like people in the northern hemisphere used to wear multiple layers of animal fur to protect from extreme coldness.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, even christians in arab countries like Lebanon use it, jews use it, many western armies use it...

[Ginger_Warrior]

If we're talking about religion and violence, maybe we could move on to the story about Jesus in the temple?

 

 

 

Oh no, that's right, Islam bans gambling (how barbaric), so such a situation would never have existed anyway.

 

 

 

I'm having a hard time how you can compare that to waging a war, but OK

 

It's the same principle. You can't accuse Islam of being bad because it was founded on violence, and then conveniently gloss over the fact Jesus used violence himself.

[dragoonson]

Blue:They have to,I believe,or they'd be arrested?Anyway here they call it a "tudung" and its compulsory I believe if you're married,otherwise its optional.

 

 

 

By the way "not caring" about a particular thing...Not good if you want to get into a debate about it.

[Faux]

It's the same principle. You can't accuse Islam of being bad because it was founded on violence, and then conveniently gloss over the fact Jesus used violence himself.

 

 

 

Disrupting a marketplace... killing people who won't believe you... disrupting... killing... disrupting

 

 

 

yep, I see what you're getting at

[mrpez]

It's the same principle. You can't accuse Islam of being bad because it was founded on violence, and then conveniently gloss over the fact Jesus used violence himself.

 

 

 

Disrupting a marketplace... killing people who won't believe you... disrupting... killing... disrupting

 

 

 

yep, I see what you're getting at

 

 

 

christians never killed people who didnt believe in their god?

 

 

 

maybe the crusaders and spanish inquisition were just minor disruptions

[dragoonson]

It's the same principle. You can't accuse Islam of being bad because it was founded on violence, and then conveniently gloss over the fact Jesus used violence himself.

 

 

 

Disrupting a marketplace... killing people who won't believe you... disrupting... killing... disrupting

 

 

 

yep, I see what you're getting at

 

 

 

christians never killed people who didnt believe in their god?

 

 

 

maybe the crusaders and spanish inquisition were just minor disruptions

 

 

 

7 crusades and a peasant's crusade isn't what I'd call "minor".

 

 

 

Hitler believed in Jesus too...I strongly don't think the Jews do,since he was one of them...

[Cup Lion]

I believe Shadowfax was replying directly to Ginger's post, which said:

 

 

 

...then conveniently gloss over the fact Jesus used violence himself.

 

Thus, Shadow said that Jesus "violence" cannot be compared to Muslim violence. And, I am pretty sure Jesus didn't lead the Crusades.

[mrpez]

jesus is a representation of christianity and the reason the crusades happened.

[EdgedThesis]

What exactly is disturbing about Qu'ran in principle, any more disturbing than any other mainstream religion that is?

 

 

 

Do you know how Islam was founded? I'm not trying to cheaply insult Islam here, but Muhammad was basically kicked out of his city for being such a nut. He went to Medina and tried to recruit more people there. And then you know what he did? He waged war on Mecca (city he was kicked out of) and conquered it. Pretty much killing whoever stood against him.

 

 

 

*That* was disturbing. Because unlike other things which could be considered a metaphor that could mean something else, this was actually documented. The basis of Islam is WAR. That's why it's so disturbing.

 

 

 

It basically says, "This religion is right, all others are wrong, if other religions attack your one, you may react with force". Really doesn't sound that different to Christianity, Sikhism or Judaism, if you take their literal meanings.

 

 

 

 

Maybe Jesus was teaching the wrong thing after all huh

 

 

 

He was kicked out of his city because he was damaging the power structure of the city, based on idol worship. And he wasn't even kicked out, assassins were waiting to kill him, and he left before they had the chance.

 

 

 

He waged war upon the Meccans after settling in Medinah. When he got to the city gates, he forgave the leaders of the opposition. Sure, he killed people--but they were soldiers.

 

 

 

He had specific rules of conduct when it came to war. Apparently, you couldn't even damage enemy trees without purpose--targets were just men carrying weapons.

[amoeba_009]

Hitler did not believe in Jesus, he was his own Jesus, i cannot speak for his younger days, but during his natzi reign, he never believed in jesus.

[jackattack]

^^ Thats really never been proven either way I think. And it doesn't really matter. It's only brought up by atheists who like to go "OMG HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN!!!" I've never read the Qu'ran but I think the main thing about it is that the violent verses are in the second to last book/chapter and the later verses are supposed to overrule the first ones. Even if only 10% of muslims buy into extremist interpretations of the Qu'ran that's more than 100 million people who want to kill me and my family.

[mrpez]

Even if only 10% of muslims buy into extremist interpretations of the Qu'ran that's more than 100 million people who want to kill me and my family.

 

 

 

no one wants to kill you and your family. trust me, your not that important. being an "extremist" does not automatically make one a terrorist. i dont see anyone labeling christian fundamentalists as terrorists, when clearly they are on the extreme end of christiandom. also, dont make up statistics unless you can site a source.

 

 

 

regarding all posters claiming that Islam is a religion founded on violence: it may be true. i am an atheist middle eastern, have never read the qu'ran, and do not pretend to understand islam. but i do know that while islam may have been founded upon violent principles, many of its followers are peaceful and much more spiritual than christians. my family members that are religious pray for hours a day-hours.

 

 

 

you cannot label an entire religion as violent when your only source of exposure is clips from a biased right-wing media bent on misguiding you to support a failing political war. many religions have been founded upon a degree of violence, and it is important to take that into account before derailing one religion and upholding another.

[jackattack]

I'm pretty sure Osama Bin Laden does. :wall:

[mrpez]

I'm pretty sure Osama Bin Laden does. :wall:

 

 

 

i doubt bin laden is still alive. a guy with diabetes, hooked up to a dialysis machine, and living in a cave isnt likely to live long.

 

 

 

anyway, you specifically are not his target.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I'm pretty sure Osama Bin Laden does. :wall:

 

You're trying to argue 100 million Muslims want to kill you because one complete nutjob does, and he happens to use some twisted interpretation of the Qu'ran in justification?

 

 

 

Frankly, I wonder to myself how many of these Islamist Extremists even abide by sawm during Ramadan, while they're training to wage war against the west. Half of them relate nothing to spiritual Islam.

 

 

 

Terrorists are despicable. But to suggest each and every Muslim wants to kill you is just plain crazy, it really is.