Computer upgrade ~AMD or Intel~

[g0dzk1llz]

if you can wait a couple days, wait until the end of this month, intel's new stock is coming out...

 

 

 

with an extra channel of DDR and a new FSB technology, it blows anything AMD can put forth right out of the water.

 

 

 

in fact, price for performance is waaaaay better than any of AMD's top end processors.

 

 

 

too bad they're releasing it in such a bad economy...

 

 

 

anyway, look for core i7

[eggzs]

9800GT is a good bit better than the 9600GT. The 9600GT is just an 8800GT with a few shader pipelines locked, while the 9800GT is an improved version of the 8800GT. (can't remember how much improved, but its worth it).

 

 

 

Yup, correct.

 

It's made with 55nm technology instead of 8800gt' 65nm=Little bit less power hungry, little bit cooler and a little better to overclock with. Otherwise there's no difference in actual performance. Just re-named to sell more lol.

 

 

 

and also 3x SLI support not that you would want to SLI 3 of them when you could get a card or two that performs better.

[OldJoe]

if you can wait a couple days, wait until the end of this month, intel's new stock is coming out...

 

 

 

with an extra channel of DDR and a new FSB technology, it blows anything AMD can put forth right out of the water.

 

 

 

in fact, price for performance is waaaaay better than any of AMD's top end processors.

 

 

 

too bad they're releasing it in such a bad economy...

 

 

 

anyway, look for core i7

 

 

 

Ahhhhhhh you again.

 

You don't read what people write, do you? His budget is circa 300£!

 

*snore*.. i7 uses QPI, not FSB.

 

The AMD he has chosen, is great value for the money.

 

 

 

Eggy: Yeah, i forgot about that lol.

[jasignhagj]

I personally prefer intel, i find amd underpreforms and breaks easier

 

I also like nvida over ati, but cant explain why?

[Nadril]

I personally prefer intel, i find amd underpreforms and breaks easier

 

I also like nvida over ati, but cant explain why?

 

 

 

I like Nvidia's drivers over ATI's personally.

[OldJoe]

I personally prefer intel, i find amd underpreforms and breaks easier

 

I also like nvida over ati, but cant explain why?

 

 

 

Breaks easier? What do you base that on? I don't think you've owned enough cpu's to see a pattern to be honest. Both Intel and AMD chips can break, it's nothing new... I've never seen a news/review or anything that supports your claim.

 

*off topic*... I really look forward to Bulldozer, i really hope it will perform good... And if it does, it's going into a new system for me.

[sloter]

I personally prefer intel, i find amd underpreforms and breaks easier

 

I also like nvida over ati, but cant explain why?

 

 

 

Breaks easier? What do you base that on? I don't think you've owned enough cpu's to see a pattern to be honest. Both Intel and AMD chips can break, it's nothing new... I've never seen a news/review or anything that supports your claim.

 

*off topic*... I really look forward to Bulldozer, i really hope it will perform good... And if it does, it's going into a new system for me.

 

I will agree with you there. I don't hate or not like amd i just would rather have intel but i don't see how an amd breaks easier to be honest.

[Mylez]

I personally prefer intel, i find amd underpreforms and breaks easier

 

I also like nvida over ati, but cant explain why?

 

 

 

Breaks easier? What do you base that on? I don't think you've owned enough cpu's to see a pattern to be honest. Both Intel and AMD chips can break, it's nothing new... I've never seen a news/review or anything that supports your claim.

 

*off topic*... I really look forward to Bulldozer, i really hope it will perform good... And if it does, it's going into a new system for me.

 

I will agree with you there. I don't hate or not like amd i just would rather have intel but i don't see how an amd breaks easier to be honest.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with that ;)

 

AMD seem to have a bad name, and a certain amount of stigma is attatched to those who buy them

 

Intels are generally better performace wise, they are moreclockable and faster at lower bus speeds lol.

 

BUT, Intel are alot more expenesive, even now with recent price drops due to the new range.

 

I'm quite happy with my choice, and should be ordering it soon. Thanks for all the feedback guys

 

I probabaly will get a 9800GT, simply because it's more modern (although not much faster ;))

 

 

 

Also, I'm hoping to get Windows 7 upon release, so for now I'll stick with XP and might not get 4GB of RAM until then, as it's not really needed. 2-3GB is enough really :

[Central_Keeper]

I thought Intel and Nvidia usually go hand in hand, both CPU, motherboard, and video card?

 

 

 

I think even if you have a moderate set up with AMD and crossfire set up for ATI card, its still perform smoothly?

 

 

 

I would really go for 9800 series since they are not that much expensive now, maybe use your 7900 for a while and get 2 9800 GT sli mode later on (or GTX)

 

 

 

Power supply seems a bit slow, I got 420pw from Thermaltake, and now I heard you might need 550pw or more in order to run stuff smoothly if you got alot of HD, video cards and other component if you system.

 

 

 

If you can, maybe get a new CPU fan too, they do cool the CPU down more (if you plan any OC, even without OC) its still great just to be safe

 

 

 

What are you trying to run? Crysis? Its cool to upgrade your computer and see the effect afterward, I still remember upgrade from Geforce 420x to 9800 radeon pro, I never know water in Halo has rippling effect.....lol

[eggzs]

Its probably because of this video (circa very early 21st century) that leads to AMD's bad rep.

 

 

 

[AlexTeHowneR]

Yes, it is for gaming. And no, I probably wont overclock.

 

As for the Phenom being out-performed, wrong. I've seen multiple tests between the Phenom [8650] and the Intel, [E7300]

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, Intels are very good chips, but I'm buying to a budget, and buying a better Intel would cost me a lot.

 

 

 

The 7900GT, I already have. You're right about the 9800GT, they are very good. But I already have 1 79, go it makes sense to SLI.

 

 

 

I've taken your feedback into consideration, and I'm going to re-consider... I may still get an Intel :)

 

 

 

Thanks everybody!

 

 

 

An 8800/9800 GT or 4670/4830/4850 will destroy 7900GTs in SLI.

[Georgelemmons]

I personally prefer intel, i find amd underpreforms and breaks easier

 

I also like nvida over ati, but cant explain why?

 

 

 

I like Nvidia's drivers over ATI's personally.

 

 

 

 

 

ATI's cards are good quality, but their drivers completely fail. :wall:

[im1knight]

i would never buy AMD CPUs.... AMD CPU all seem to have heat problems, while intel have none. I actually own a laptop with AMD Turionx2, and another one with Intel Core2 Duo, and the one with AMD, temperature can go up to 98C during gaming, while the Intel Core 2 Duo only go up to 70C at max. ( All temp reading according to speedfan)

 

 

 

I'm currently using Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 on my desktop where i play FSX at, FSX make my CPU run at 100% almost all times(it's a BIGGGGG CPU hug game). But the highest temperature it ever got to was like 64C on one core, while the rest are in the high 50s and maybe 60. I also like Nvidia better than ATI, probably it's just that i'm more used to nvidia products, since only my old PCs have ATI graphic card installed.

[OldJoe]

George: Do you use the latest drivers? Because their drivers are working really well now. I have systems with both Nvidia and ATI, and i don't find one driver being better than the other one, but i prefer the utility's from ATI - more settings.

 

 

 

Knight: You should clean your computer, wheter it's a desktop or a laptop, a couple of times per year atleast. They collect a big amount of dust.

 

I don't know if you're using the 90nm or 65nm chip, but if you're using the 90nm chip it will quite obviously not be as cool as the c2d which are in 65/45.

 

One core usually gets more workload than the other(s), even if it's coded for multi-cores.

 

 

 

I really start disliking all the negativity against AMD on this forum. Things like "amd chips breaks easier" "don't go with amd, intel ftw!" etc etc.

 

 

 

In the European Union court, AMD has filed a case against Intel (which is currently being processed, but will take a huge amount of time due to the amount of documents), on the grounds that Intel has foul-played. In the documents they have given the court, there are claims which state that Intel has used their massive monopoly on the cpu market to pay manufacturers to ONLY use Intel chips.

 

And i don't think a company that has 18-20% of the cpu market goes up against a company with the remaning percentage without having the supports of documents.

 

 

 

Nvidia has also had/have a big problem with their circuits for their graphics card in the 8-9serie, both in the mobile and desktop version. And this isn't something i'm pulling out of my [wagon], search and you'll see. Companies like Apple, Acer, Dell and Packard Bell have reported that a higher amount than normal on Nvidias circuits have gone kaputt, and Nvidia also reservred 200$ million for warranty repairs this summer.

 

 

 

Of course, AMD isn't a clean sheep either, but since so many here are complaining on this company i felt the need to write.

 

And now you think i'm a troll writing this on a AMD computer, but i'm actually using Intel/Nvidia when writing this.

[Laura]

In the European Union court, AMD has filed a case against Intel (which is currently being processed, but will take a huge amount of time due to the amount of documents), on the grounds that Intel has foul-played. In the documents they have given the court, there are claims which state that Intel has used their massive monopoly on the cpu market to pay manufacturers to ONLY use Intel chips.

 

And i don't think a company that has 18-20% of the cpu market goes up against a company with the remaning percentage without having the supports of documents.

 

 

 

Nvidia has also had/have a big problem with their circuits for their graphics card in the 8-9serie, both in the mobile and desktop version. And this isn't something i'm pulling out of my [wagon], search and you'll see. Companies like Apple, Acer, Dell and Packard Bell have reported that a higher amount than normal on Nvidias circuits have gone kaputt, and Nvidia also reservred 200$ million for warranty repairs this summer.

 

 

 

Of course, AMD isn't a clean sheep either, but since so many here are complaining on this company i felt the need to write.

 

And now you think i'm a troll writing this on a AMD computer, but i'm actually using Intel/Nvidia when writing this.

Is that bad though? I mean, it's not monopolizing the market. But you're right, Apple is switching to Intel and Nvidia chips, and even certain functions will only work on their Intel based computers. And when I look at Dell, their main choice is Intel by default, but you have the option for AMD. Then all the lower end graphics cards are ATI, while the higher ones are Nvidia. I guess I just kind of associate ATI/AMD with lower end products because their not on the spotlight/being advertised as much. If Intel is paying/lowering prices to business, doesn't that tell AMD that they're trying selling overpriced chips to companies?

[OldJoe]

Is that bad though? I mean, it's not monopolizing the market. But you're right, Apple is switching to Intel and Nvidia chips, and even certain functions will only work on their Intel based computers. And when I look at Dell, their main choice is Intel by default, but you have the option for AMD. Then all the lower end graphics cards are ATI, while the higher ones are Nvidia. I guess I just kind of associate ATI/AMD with lower end products because their not on the spotlight/being advertised as much. If Intel is paying/lowering prices to business, doesn't that tell AMD that they're trying selling overpriced chips to companies?

 

 

 

It is not monopolizing the market? What the hell is it then?

 

If you're using your muscles to pay computer makers to only use Intel, and giving them a discount at the same time - How is that not freezing out the other chip maker?!

 

It's never a good thing that one company owns so much of a market, in the end, development will come off and prices rise.

 

No, AMD is not trying to sell overpriced chips to companies. Intel can do this, because they earn so bloody much money anyways. And if they give discount to companies to only sell Intel chips, they are practizing their monopoly and the market would slowly but steady, a one company market.

 

AMD has the fastest graphics card on the market today, i don't know what options there's at ready-built computer companies because i never buy products from them.

[Mylez]

Just to simply summerise, I've finished building my new pc :)

 

 

 

Here's the set-up:

 

 

 

AMD 780g motherboard

 

Phenom 2.3GHz X3 (triple core ftw)

 

4GB gamers ram, 1066

 

Nvidia 8800GTS

 

 

 

^ All for only £300, very cheap ;)

 

 

 

Running Vista x64 Business, it's very, very smooth (faster than xp imo)

 

I've run a few benchmarks, tests etc. geting very good results.

 

 

 

Just want to thank everybody here for your advice :D

[OldJoe]

Nice.

 

What did you pay for the 8800gts (used i presume?), and also is it the 320, 512 or 640mb version?

[Mylez]

Nice.

 

What did you pay for the 8800gts (used i presume?), and also is it the 320, 512 or 640mb version?

 

 

 

320mb, £69.50 inc. postage. Brand new :)

 

 

 

[OldJoe]

Why did you get that card? It's old!

 

It performs pretty ok, but there's newer cards that'll perform the same that are less power-hungry and produces less heat.

[Mylez]

Yeah I know, it seemed very cheap and still out performs alot of cards when clocked :P

 

I like it, and I'm happy with my new set-up :