38 Years = :thumbdown:

 

 

 

Expulsion from school system + a year in prison and a fine = :thumbup:

 

 

 

I've always held quite a strict view on law breakers but still, 1 year in jail for a school hacker?

 

 

 

The kid was doing it so he could attend further education and improve his life, not so he could financially gain from it. A strict fine yes, a lot of community care yes, helping his school build a much better anti-hacking system yes, but jail time?

 

 

 

If I was the judge I'd sentence him to resit his exams in a properly controlled room, a lot of community care and help his school build a better security main frame.

 

 

 

We don't know the full story, it seems like the guy had no chance at Uni if he cheated on state exams then had to change his exams result via hacking. Props to the guy that he wanted to attend Uni so much he hacked his school, at least he didn't give up on his goal.

 

 

 

Then he sould've worked for it like everyone else. It isn't fair that everyone else has to work to get where they want and he just has to change his grade.

Lol, 38 years. Why not just shoot him in the face with a shotgun?

 

 

 

Honestly....5 years maximum and a lot of community service...Jobs and colleges won't accept him mostly likely anyway with that background, except for maybe crappy labor/fast food jobs.

 

... prosecutors claim that he then used teachers passwords to hack into computers and change his test scores...

 

 

 

That's not hacking. :roll:

 

 

 

Anyone that rummages through a teacher's desk and finds his/her password and uses it is a hacker nowadays? :wall:

 

 

 

Anyway, I think that the prosecutors are using the term 'hacker' in order to increase the jury's disapproval. Mostly what he did was just break into a school. It just sounds like they're trying to convict him of everything that they can possibly convict him of, even if it means twisting terminiology around to make him look worse than he really is.

This is so stupid, just like make him take a few more years of high school. That will learn him.

 

I guess I shouldn't try and get other students/admin password then. :wall: :(

 

... prosecutors claim that he then used teachers passwords to hack into computers and change his test scores...

 

 

 

That's not hacking. :roll:

 

 

 

Anyone that rummages through a teacher's desk and finds his/her password and uses it is a hacker nowadays? :wall:

 

 

 

Anyway, I think that the prosecutors are using the term 'hacker' in order to increase the jury's disapproval. Mostly what he did was just break into a school. It just sounds like they're trying to convict him of everything that they can possibly convict him of, even if it means twisting terminiology around to make him look worse than he really is.

 

 

 

hack

 

 

 

2. To break into computer systems with malicious intent.

 

 

 

Urbandictionary.com

 

 

 

I guess its forbidden but I could care less I attempted to cite a work thats more than I did on my english paper.

This is so stupid, just like make him take a few more years of high school. That will learn him.

 

I guess I shouldn't try and get other students/admin password then. :wall: :(

 

 

 

No, because you'll be a hacker. :lol:

 

Only an immature person would deem it a just punishment... And as the title says, that's the maximum penalty if convicted on all 69 counts (highly unlikely).

 

 

 

I see, anything you disagree with must be immature, how grown up of you. 8-)

 

 

 

Laws are there for a reason, don't break them if you are not prepared to take the punishment.

 

 

 

Laws are based on logic and public consensus. It's emotionally and logically immature to support a 38-year jail sentence for something you *personally* would deem worth it, especially if no humans were hurt.

 

 

 

I would hate to get robbed and lose my TV while I'm away from home. That doesn't mean I have to support a 10-year jail sentence for the burglar. Stealing a $200 item does not warrant such a harsh penalty, it's ridiculous. He may have various motives and problems that led him to steal my TV set. I wouldn't care particularly why, but he should be punished reasonably.

 

 

 

It's not reasonable to jail a teen (yes, a 18 year old is a teen despite being legally an adult) for more than twice the amount of the time he's lived.. For changing school grades. The deed and punishment don't meet, hence if you just sadistically think it's justified without considering any actual harm done, that stance is immature. Even a killer would get a lesser sentence, and instead of taking a free grade, he's taken the life of another human.

 

 

 

Didn't imply that you're immature at all, but it's immature to judge people harshly & totally disregard the severity of their deeds. Besides the minimal financial stress of cleaning the school computers of the backdoors/spyware, and changing some master test/exam paper answers... Nobody got hurt in the process, and his grades were reversed.

 

 

 

To put some perspective, here's the French legislation on the life imprisonment[1]:

 

 

 

Life imprisonment can be sentenced for aggravated murder, treason, terrorism, drug trafficking and other serious felonies resulting in death or involving torture.

 

 

 

Since 1994, for child murder involving rape or torture, the Court can impose a term of 30 years or decide that the defendant cannot be paroled

 

 

 

Any reasonable person wouldn't equate that kid's crimes with some of the worst deeds the sickest people in the world do to a human (or in the case of some convicts, multiple humans, even children) and jail him for a longer time period.

Lets see what kind of jail sentence Cayle Anthony's mom gets and we will compare.

This is so stupid, just like make him take a few more years of high school. That will learn him.

 

I guess I shouldn't try and get other students/admin password then. :wall: :(

 

 

 

No, because you'll be a hacker. :lol:

 

Yeah my tech teacher is also a computer nazi.

There are hackers in the world who were caught by the FBI and didn't even break 10 years jail; and these people were responsible for causing billions of dollars worth of damage to corporations; the prosocution in this case are going way over the top. If the defence team is any good they can problem get him off on 3-5 years at most and a hefty fine.

something similar happened to my school - someone obtained a teacher's acc/pass to the system, and he changed 9 out of 10 of the top ten student's grades (all but the top student's), for money. He was caught and expelled, the people who paid him were taken "off" the ranking list, and all received honor code violations

 

 

 

So what happened? They all (all nine of them) still got into their (good) schools (all but one was an ivy). The "hacker" still got into college and was hired by a school system to manage their grade systems

 

 

 

While hes facing a lot of trouble, people looking for people to manage security will be looking for people like him - hes shown his stuff but got caught - once he gets rid of the "caught" part, hes good. And he did more than just steal passwords - he installed spyware so he could access those computers from a remote location. I'm pretty sure thats more than just stealing and using a password.

Holy [cabbage], 38 years?! I'd have thought 4 years would have been a tough sentence! His lawyer had better be a good one. I want to be a lawyer...

I really doubt he will actually get 38 years, 69 accounts, very unlikely he'll be convicted of them all.

 

But still, if he's going to break rules, break the law, well he deserves what he gets, it may be extreme, but hey, its probaly going to deter others.

Its his fault! He knows what would happen if he got caught. He knew he was doing something very very wrong. He deserves this even if it is harsh.

None of you could even imagine 10 days in Jail, let alone 38 years.

 

The kid was doing it so he could attend further education and improve his life, not so he could financially gain from it. A strict fine yes, a lot of community care yes, helping his school build a much better anti-hacking system yes, but jail time?

 

 

 

 

So someone who worked hard to go to uni may miss out as he takes their place?

 

 

 

Well, if colleges are short for places then also the government is to blame partially. In Ireland we're not short of college places so I didn't think of that situation.

 

 

 

With what seems his personality jail time will be one of the worst choices for him. Do people not realise that prison is where most criminals improve their skills / learn new methods? If he's given jail time that's his chance at Uni gone and also most good careers.

 

 

 

Giving this guy jail time would be basically pointing him down the road of further criminal activity.

Its his fault! He knows what would happen if he got caught. He knew he was doing something very very wrong. He deserves this even if it is harsh.

 

He shouldn't be going to prison at all. Maybe expelled from the school if we want to be harsh.

 

Prisons should't be about 'punishing' people. Prison should be only for people who are somehow threat to the society. Does this guy pose some kind of threat to other people around him?

 

 

 

I think this should go with warning and or maybe some extra attaiment and if he does something silly like this again, expensension and maybe fines. He doesn't belong in jail at all.

Serves him right, if you ask me. If he gets sent to prison, then he'll just have to bare the 38 years of dry [wagon] rape. :P

I thought it was pretty funny.

 

 

 

38 years sounds more like he hacked into the FBI's systems...

 

Lol agreed.

 

 

 

I think it's ridiculous how easily some people throw their lives away. Especially someone that young... I think 38 years is excessive but that doesn't mean I have much sympathy for him..

 

If you hack into the FBI's system they can lock you up forever in solitary confinement, so how the hell is this anything like that?

 

 

 

Haven't seen the movie in question, but you're not looking at reality from an objective viewpoint. Everyone wants to benefit from any given situation with any means necessary.

 

 

 

Putting highly skilled hackers to do nothing but socialize with organised criminals for years in a federal prison will eventually expose them to extortion or coercion, the information and know-how will be passed on to people outside of prison who will hack for purely financial purposes and cause further harm.

 

 

 

It's also not uncommon for companies to hire hackers or ex.convicted hackers for security testing [1] due to their often superior technical knowledge.

 

 

 

The FBI has nothing to gain and everything to lose in the form of further financial and strategical losses by dealing excessive prison terms against highly skilled hackers. They are actually pretty often offered a highly paid job either at an antivirus/firewall laboratory or company, or a government agency.

 

 

 

Few companies hire burglars so they can observe their techniques to make a compound safer... Because even the lowliest common thugs can succesfully steal a TV set. The amount of people who can bypass NASA-level security can be counted in the dozens at most in the entire country & are very hard to find. Their skill can come pretty handy when the FBI has legal authority to make that hacker either work for them, or sit in a cell if he's convicted.

 

I think you missed a crucial part of what I said. You seem to have ignored the part about solitary confinement, you don't socialize there. The FBI has a lot to gain by jailing hackers who posses state secrets. Also, a hacker's windows and skill is very adaptive, I doubt that if I jail a hacker for let's say 3 years, if he tells someone how he did it I doubt the company in question is just going to leave the holes in their computer system intact.

Serves him right, if you ask me. If he gets sent to prison, then he'll just have to bare the 38 years of dry [wagon] rape. :P

 

 

 

Well, you're a furry, so your oppinion doesn't matter and no one gives a [cabbage] about you :P

 

 

 

38 years is the max he could get and he WON'T get it. People get way less for murder. Stupid idiots take hacking too seriously.

Serves him right, if you ask me. If he gets sent to prison, then he'll just have to bare the 38 years of dry [wagon] rape. :P

 

 

 

Well, you're a furry, so your oppinion doesn't matter and no one gives a [cabbage] about you :P

 

 

 

38 years is the max he could get and he WON'T get it. People get way less for murder. Stupid idiots take hacking too seriously.

 

Murder is usually a life sentence...

Serves him right, if you ask me. If he gets sent to prison, then he'll just have to bare the 38 years of dry [wagon] rape. :P

 

 

 

Well, you're a furry, so your oppinion doesn't matter and no one gives a [cabbage] about you :P

 

 

 

38 years is the max he could get and he WON'T get it. People get way less for murder. Stupid idiots take hacking too seriously.

 

Murder is usually a life sentence...

 

 

 

A life sentence is usually 25 years

Serves him right, if you ask me. If he gets sent to prison, then he'll just have to bare the 38 years of dry [wagon] rape. :P

 

 

 

Well, you're a furry, so your oppinion doesn't matter and no one gives a [cabbage] about you :P

 

 

 

38 years is the max he could get and he WON'T get it. People get way less for murder. Stupid idiots take hacking too seriously.

 

Murder is usually a life sentence...

 

 

 

A life sentence is usually 25 years

 

A life sentence can be 25 years to life, or an indeterminate life sentence. People convicted of murder in the U.S get determinate life sentences, which is life in prison.

38 years? Blagojevich could get that much for a political scandal. Seriously, what's with the over-the-top punishments on internet abusers lately? First the issue in Holland over the possibility over MMORPG item stealing being considered a crime, then that Myspace spammer with the hundreds of millions of dollars in fines, and now this hacker facing more jail time than some drug dealers and politics abusers. It's great that governments are cracking down on the abusers of technology, but I think the punishments are doing more than setting an example. They're causing a bit too much controversy.

if he tells someone how he did it I doubt the company in question is just going to leave the holes in their computer system intact.

 

Yea... and pigs can fly. Microsoft can't even be bothered fixing security exploits they know exist (and have existed since day one). I doubt any company will fix holes in their systems unless it's losing them money, purely because it costs too much of their money to hire additional people to fix it then make sure it's plugged without opening up a new hole.