I am not after making money, what i am after is a full refund for my outstanding subscription, and perhaps an end to having companies like Jagex operate without being accountable, especially to their paying customers.

 

No. Not going to happen. T&C already expressly covers that you won't be entitled to a refund if you are found (yes, found, meaning not this little temporary dry spell that you're bellyaching over) to be in violation of its rules, and lawyers can't do a damn thing about that.

 

 

 

If you didn't do anything wrong, quit acting like such a baby about it, and wait for your account to be reviewed. Getting lawyers involved with this is about the worst thing you can do, since you've got a snowballs' chance in Hell of winning.

 

 

 

This "little temporary dry spell" as you put it, is being payed for with real money, and not rs gold coins, by myself, which Jagex has no legal right to.

 

Oh, boo, [bleep]ing, Hoo, your out of what? $2 max? I have $2 in pennies sitting in a bowl on my desk right now.

Meh, they deserve all they get. :x

 

(Unless they got accidently bann'd)

 

 

 

Why? Because they nabbed 20k fast exp and you didn't? This bug doesn't hurt anybody and unless somebody got 20 99's of off it I don't see what the problem is. It isn't like the knife bug where people got like +100 str or the phat dupe that has had huge long term effects. It is just a blunder in the system that some people found and took advantage of. Is this any different than finding a safespot that shouldn't be there and soloing bosses for tons of easy cash? Not really. I think people are over reacting and the only people who should be banned are those who truly abused it and got tons and tons of extra exp.

Not to be skeptical or anything but I doubt your "lawyer in the family" will want to jeopardize his reputation over a $5 squabble. In a case against a corporation. An international corporation. Who has every right not to refund your money as per what is stated in the TOS when you made your account.

 

 

 

So...Good luck with that!

 

 

 

 

 

Fortunately, I reside in a place where charging a single cent for services not rendered is still classed as an activity that falls outside the law. As far as I know, this is also the case in England where Jagex is based.

 

 

 

Stop whining please and just appeal it. You're only making a fool out of yourself this way.

 

 

 

Please do not let me stop you transfering any funds you wish to any on line content provider of your choice.

 

 

 

On the other hand, I have a legal right to enjoy a service I paid for in advance, and if this service has been interrupted due to no fault of my own, I believe that I am entitled to a full refund, Jagex T&C none withstanding.

 

 

 

You agreed to the T&C. It's all legally and you want to sue them for that?

 

Good job.

 

 

 

400th post wasted on this

 

 

 

EDIT: the post below me says enough

 

I am not after making money, what i am after is a full refund for my outstanding subscription, and perhaps an end to having companies like Jagex operate without being accountable, especially to their paying customers.

 

No. Not going to happen. T&C already expressly covers that you won't be entitled to a refund if you are found (yes, found, meaning not this little temporary dry spell that you're bellyaching over) to be in violation of its rules, and lawyers can't do a damn thing about that.

 

 

 

If you didn't do anything wrong, quit acting like such a baby about it, and wait for your account to be reviewed. Getting lawyers involved with this is about the worst thing you can do, since you've got a snowballs' chance in Hell of winning.

 

 

 

This "little temporary dry spell" as you put it, is being paid for with real money, and not rs gold coins, by myself, which Jagex has no legal right to.

 

 

 

Irrelevant. Whether or not you paid for this period of time, Jagex still has to assume that you are guilty of breaking a rule, and as such, the "no refund" policy goes into effect. It's like paying for a whole semester of college, then getting expelled for drinking - you're NOT going to see your tuition again, and no lawyer would argue for it.

 

 

 

Besides, if the cost is like $6 for 30 days, a 3-day ban costs you what, $0.60? Are you seriously going to piss and moan over $0.60?

 

 

 

[EDIT] I believe that the minimum amount in which you can take a legal person to court over is $20 [in the US], so unless you can come up with $19.40 in damages and charges, you're not going to have a case, period.

 

 

 

WHAAT? 1,700th post for THIS? Oh well.

 

 

 

Irrelevant. Whether or not you paid for this period of time, Jagex still has to assume that you are guilty of breaking a rule, and as such, the "no refund" policy goes into effect. It's like paying for a whole semester of college, then getting expelled for drinking - you're NOT going to see your tuition again, and no lawyer would argue for it.

 

 

 

Besides, if the cost is like $6 for 30 days, a 3-day ban costs you what, $0.60? Are you seriously going to piss and moan over $0.60?

 

 

 

[EDIT] I believe that the minimum amount in which you can take a legal person to court over is $20 [in the US], so unless you can come up with $19.40 in damages and charges, you're not going to have a case, period.

 

 

 

WHAAT? 1,700th post for THIS? Oh well.

 

 

 

When one is baned from a college for drinking, normally there is some evidence that is provided, one does not simply get turned away from a college's gate, and no college would be allowed to trade as an educational institution, or as any other institution for that matter, if its charter stated that it has the right to turn away fee paying students without having to provide a valid reason.

 

 

 

If that was to happen, the person turned away would be entitled to a lot more than a refund to their already paid tuition fee.

 

 

 

Irrelevant. Whether or not you paid for this period of time, Jagex still has to assume that you are guilty of breaking a rule, and as such, the "no refund" policy goes into effect. It's like paying for a whole semester of college, then getting expelled for drinking - you're NOT going to see your tuition again, and no lawyer would argue for it.

 

 

 

Besides, if the cost is like $6 for 30 days, a 3-day ban costs you what, $0.60? Are you seriously going to piss and moan over $0.60?

 

 

 

[EDIT] I believe that the minimum amount in which you can take a legal person to court over is $20 [in the US], so unless you can come up with $19.40 in damages and charges, you're not going to have a case, period.

 

 

 

WHAAT? 1,700th post for THIS? Oh well.

 

 

 

When one is baned from a college for drinking, normally there is some evidence that is provided, one does not simply get turned away from a college's gate, and no college would be allowed to trade as an educational institution, or as any other institution for that matter, if its charter stated that it has the right to turn away fee paying students without having to provide a valid reason.

 

 

 

If that was to happen, the person turned away would be entitled to a lot more than a refund to their already paid tuition fee.

 

 

 

Unless stated different in the binding contract, as seen here.

Jagex IS doing all they can. Yesterday I logged into runescape and i saw that i had 5 messages in my message center. I was shocked. I quickly checked my message center. It turns out that first, i had a message saying I was banned. Then the next message said I was found innocent and I was unbanned. The other 3 messages were ones saying I had an offense that had given me a black mark. I checked the "appeal an offence" section and it said my account was in the green zone with no black marks.

 

 

 

Basically I was banned, then unbanned, then got 3 offences, then lost all 3 offences, all without sending a single appeal and without me knowing my account was on the verge of serious trouble while I wasn't playing.

 

 

 

You may ask, am I guilty of bug abuse? No I am not. On the day the bug was released, I went to w60 to see what the hubbub was about. It was all over forsakenmage chat, I was talking to a few friends and they heard it, so naturally my inane curiousity would not let me sit there watching my crops grow when one of the biggest bugs in history was occuring. I didn't plan on using the bug at all, just to come in and see what was going on so I could say I was an eyewitness when people looked back. I saw players abusing the penguins. I didn't take part. I spotted the penguins once like I was supposed to because it was easy points. But I did not abuse the bug.

 

 

 

So for those of you who say Jagex is unworthy of your money or are being stupid in handling this: you obviously don't deserve a game like this. Appeal whatever punishment you received if you were truly innocent like I was. Don't get pissed just because of a mistake. They're handling hundreds of bug abusers while sifting through the innocent and AT THE SAME TIME trying to run the game normally and handle unrelated appeals and player reports.

 

 

 

Irrelevant. Whether or not you paid for this period of time, Jagex still has to assume that you are guilty of breaking a rule, and as such, the "no refund" policy goes into effect. It's like paying for a whole semester of college, then getting expelled for drinking - you're NOT going to see your tuition again, and no lawyer would argue for it.

 

 

 

Besides, if the cost is like $6 for 30 days, a 3-day ban costs you what, $0.60? Are you seriously going to piss and moan over $0.60?

 

 

 

[EDIT] I believe that the minimum amount in which you can take a legal person to court over is $20 [in the US], so unless you can come up with $19.40 in damages and charges, you're not going to have a case, period.

 

 

 

WHAAT? 1,700th post for THIS? Oh well.

 

 

 

When one is baned from a college for drinking, normally there is some evidence that is provided, one does not simply get turned away from a college's gate, and no college would be allowed to trade as an educational institution, or as any other institution for that matter, if its charter stated that it has the right to turn away fee paying students without having to provide a valid reason.

 

 

 

If that was to happen, the person turned away would be entitled to a lot more than a refund to their already paid tuition fee.

 

 

 

Unless stated different in the binding contract, as seen here.

 

Yeah, but most colleges as soon as you pay tuition, its non-refundable, same way with book rental at highschools if you get expelled.

 

 

 

Irrelevant. Whether or not you paid for this period of time, Jagex still has to assume that you are guilty of breaking a rule, and as such, the "no refund" policy goes into effect. It's like paying for a whole semester of college, then getting expelled for drinking - you're NOT going to see your tuition again, and no lawyer would argue for it.

 

 

 

Besides, if the cost is like $6 for 30 days, a 3-day ban costs you what, $0.60? Are you seriously going to piss and moan over $0.60?

 

 

 

[EDIT] I believe that the minimum amount in which you can take a legal person to court over is $20 [in the US], so unless you can come up with $19.40 in damages and charges, you're not going to have a case, period.

 

 

 

WHAAT? 1,700th post for THIS? Oh well.

 

 

 

When one is baned from a college for drinking, normally there is some evidence that is provided, one does not simply get turned away from a college's gate, and no college would be allowed to trade as an educational institution, or as any other institution for that matter, if its charter stated that it has the right to turn away fee paying students without having to provide a valid reason.

 

 

 

If that was to happen, the person turned away would be entitled to a lot more than a refund to their already paid tuition fee.

 

 

 

Jagex is not a college. Jagex IS allowed to trade while stating that they can ban you for any reason with no evidence necessary. They DO operate in such fashion and YOU agreed to it by agreeing to the Terms and Conditions when you made your account. I can safely say that you did not read them or else you would not be demanding a refund. If you did NOT want to do business with a company that operates like this, you should not have even paid for RuneScape membership in the first place. Is it fair? Perhaps not. I can't say for sure whether you abused the bug or not, but what I CAN say is that it is legal.

 

 

 

Irrelevant. Whether or not you paid for this period of time, Jagex still has to assume that you are guilty of breaking a rule, and as such, the "no refund" policy goes into effect. It's like paying for a whole semester of college, then getting expelled for drinking - you're NOT going to see your tuition again, and no lawyer would argue for it.

 

 

 

Besides, if the cost is like $6 for 30 days, a 3-day ban costs you what, $0.60? Are you seriously going to piss and moan over $0.60?

 

 

 

[EDIT] I believe that the minimum amount in which you can take a legal person to court over is $20 [in the US], so unless you can come up with $19.40 in damages and charges, you're not going to have a case, period.

 

 

 

WHAAT? 1,700th post for THIS? Oh well.

 

 

 

When one is baned from a college for drinking, normally there is some evidence that is provided, one does not simply get turned away from a college's gate, and no college would be allowed to trade as an educational institution, or as any other institution for that matter, if its charter stated that it has the right to turn away fee paying students without having to provide a valid reason.

 

 

 

If that was to happen, the person turned away would be entitled to a lot more than a refund to their already paid tuition fee.

 

I'll give you $5 to shut up and stop whining.

man wish i knew about it woulda made my skiller get 99 herb or something cool woulda been ok if it got banned ohhwell atleast i could say i exploited one of jagexs (many) bugs :thumbsup:

Meh, they deserve all they get. :x

 

(Unless they got accidently bann'd)

 

 

 

Why? Because they nabbed 20k fast exp and you didn't? This bug doesn't hurt anybody and unless somebody got 20 99's of off it I don't see what the problem is. It isn't like the knife bug where people got like +100 str or the phat dupe that has had huge long term effects. It is just a blunder in the system that some people found and took advantage of. Is this any different than finding a safespot that shouldn't be there and soloing bosses for tons of easy cash? Not really. I think people are over reacting and the only people who should be banned are those who truly abused it and got tons and tons of extra exp.

 

 

 

It does ruin the game. If players can reach an achievement by cheating, it loses the value for the people who reached it the legit way.

On the other hand, I have a legal right to enjoy a service I paid for in advance, and if this service has been interrupted due to no fault of my own, I believe that I am entitled to a full refund, Jagex T&C none withstanding.

 

 

 

Actually, Jagex Terms of Service you agreed to say you acknowledge that not only will you not have 24/7 access to the game, regardless of your status as member of free player, but that Jagex holds the right to ban you for any reason, at any time, even if they just feel like it, with no chance of prepaid funds being returned to your account, nor will you be reimbursed for downtime.

 

 

 

You've joined today and you've made a complete crybaby of yourself. Just go away, you don't need to remind us that you're a 12 year old who thinks he knows the law and is going to threaten a multi million dollar company through a fansite. Don't make me get the seal out here.

 

 

 

THANK GOD. Honestly. I was present when the bug was taking place. I personaly discovered it when I got 2 extra points tryign to trap a penguin (you click on the penguins on accident, it happens). After I realised what was going on, I just logged out and started playing Baldur's Gate II: SoA becuase teh temptation was driving me crazy. 99 in any skill was maybe an hour or two away if I wanted. I am glad to see that they are going to probably perm ban the people who were gaining a million exp in about 5 minutes (the ardy penguin was so close to larry this pretty much is a realistic time frame). I was getting worried they wouldn't do anything, but they couldn't let it go or they would have tought a few thousand players to abuse bugs for gain.

Meh, they deserve all they get. :x

 

(Unless they got accidently bann'd)

 

 

 

Why? Because they nabbed 20k fast exp and you didn't? This bug doesn't hurt anybody and unless somebody got 20 99's of off it I don't see what the problem is. It isn't like the knife bug where people got like +100 str or the phat dupe that has had huge long term effects. It is just a blunder in the system that some people found and took advantage of. Is this any different than finding a safespot that shouldn't be there and soloing bosses for tons of easy cash? Not really. I think people are over reacting and the only people who should be banned are those who truly abused it and got tons and tons of extra exp.

 

 

 

It does ruin the game. If players can reach an achievement by cheating, it loses the value for the people who reached it the legit way.

 

 

 

How so? Would you really feel like you achieved less because someone cheated their way to one of your levels? :roll: Honestly, all the whining about other people cheating seems pretty pathetic to me. Yes, they cheated, so what? How exactly does that affect you? It's a game. The fact that a few people cheating a few levels makes so many people this "upset" should really make those people reconsider how seriously they're taking this game. :roll: Yes, they broke a rule, so Jagex will deal with them appropriately. What I don't understand is why so many people get upset over something that shouldn't affect them at all if they're taking runescape for what it is, a game. o_O

 

 

 

Though, quotes like this offer some insight on what people's true thoughts are, which seems to be largely jealousy.

 

meh if jagex dont fix it give everyone 2m xp worth of pts tbh.

To whoever was whining like a baby earlier: Everything in RS is owned by Jagex, the penguins, coins, the partyhats, the characters, the accounts, the passwords, EVERYTHING. You can't sue an entity claiming that they wrongfully took away something that isn't even yours in the first place.

 

 

 

/thread

How so? Would you really feel like you achieved less because someone cheated their way to one of your levels? :roll: Honestly, all the whining about other people cheating seems pretty pathetic to me. Yes, they cheated, so what? How exactly does that affect you? It's a game. The fact that a few people cheating a few levels makes so many people this "upset" should really make those people reconsider how seriously they're taking this game. :roll: Yes, they broke a rule, so Jagex will deal with them appropriately. What I don't understand is why so many people get upset over something that shouldn't affect them at all if they're taking runescape for what it is, a game. o_O

 

 

 

Though, quotes like this offer some insight on what people's true thoughts are, which seems to be largely jealousy.

 

meh if jagex dont fix it give everyone 2m xp worth of pts tbh.

 

 

 

It's like the old problem with Real World Trading. So many people were doing it that eventually others just said "You know, why should I work hundreds of hours to get these 99's when he paid __ dollars and got it powerleveled, and Jagex couldn't care less? They didn't ban him"

 

 

 

Cheating disenfranchises people from games and sports. You can argue against it all you want, but the fact still remains that cheaters ruin the game for other people, especially those who get away with it.

To whoever was whining like a baby earlier: Everything in RS is owned by Jagex, the penguins, coins, the partyhats, the characters, the accounts, the passwords, EVERYTHING. You can't sue an entity claiming that they wrongfully took away something that isn't even yours in the first place.

 

 

 

/thread

 

 

 

Oh gee I didn't know that worked! Let me try something....

 

 

 

/you

 

 

 

Anyways...

 

 

 

How so? Would you really feel like you achieved less because someone cheated their way to one of your levels? :roll: Honestly, all the whining about other people cheating seems pretty pathetic to me. Yes, they cheated, so what? How exactly does that affect you? It's a game. The fact that a few people cheating a few levels makes so many people this "upset" should really make those people reconsider how seriously they're taking this game. :roll: Yes, they broke a rule, so Jagex will deal with them appropriately. What I don't understand is why so many people get upset over something that shouldn't affect them at all if they're taking runescape for what it is, a game. o_O

 

 

 

Though, quotes like this offer some insight on what people's true thoughts are, which seems to be largely jealousy.

 

meh if jagex dont fix it give everyone 2m xp worth of pts tbh.

 

 

 

It's like the old problem with Real World Trading. So many people were doing it that eventually others just said "You know, why should I work hundreds of hours to get these 99's when he paid __ dollars and got it powerleveled, and Jagex couldn't care less? They didn't ban him"

 

 

 

Cheating disenfranchises people from games and sports. You can argue against it all you want, but the fact still remains that cheaters ruin the game for other people, especially those who get away with it.

 

 

 

The REAL issue with RWT wasn't that players were choosing to buy money instead of getting it normally. It was that 1.) the bots were overcrowding resources which affected normal players and 2.) the bots overproduction of resources drove their prices down which affected normal players because it meant they had to compete with bots which were selling things for much less.

 

 

 

I am not saying that the players should not be punished. They surely should. But not permanently banned. They should be temporarily banned, and those who told other people about it should be temporarily muted. If Jagex wanted to get really creative with the punishments, they could take the amount of XP in any skill that was leveled unfairly and halve it. So if a player had level 90 in a skill then abused the bug to get 99, they would drop down to level mid-80.

The REAL issue with RWT wasn't that players were choosing to buy money instead of getting it normally. It was that 1.) the bots were overcrowding resources which affected normal players and 2.) the bots overproduction of resources drove their prices down which affected normal players because it meant they had to compete with bots which were selling things for much less.

 

 

 

I am not saying that the players should not be punished. They surely should. But not permanently banned. They should be temporarily banned, and those who told other people about it should be temporarily muted. If Jagex wanted to get really creative with the punishments, they could take the amount of XP in any skill that was leveled unfairly and halve it. So if a player had level 90 in a skill then abused the bug to get 99, they would drop down to level mid-80.

 

 

 

I'll compromise.

 

 

 

Those who get caught should be stat wiped, back to what they were a week ago. They should also have last chance revoked, because if they break enough rules to get banned in the future, it's obvious they haven't learned.

 

 

 

Those who did it a lot, like the 1.5million slayer exp guys, should be permabanned. Those who didn't do it as much, you know 60k exp her or there, should get a temp ban, maybe a weeklong to give them time to think about it.

 

 

 

A slap on the hand won't do anything. I understand that whenever a bug breaks out in an MMO, people will instinctively fly towards it to abuse the hell out of it, but I think Jagex is trying to make a forceful stand here and hopefully deter anyone from "trying out" a huge bug like this in the future.

The REAL issue with RWT wasn't that players were choosing to buy money instead of getting it normally. It was that 1.) the bots were overcrowding resources which affected normal players and 2.) the bots overproduction of resources drove their prices down which affected normal players because it meant they had to compete with bots which were selling things for much less.

 

 

 

I am not saying that the players should not be punished. They surely should. But not permanently banned. They should be temporarily banned, and those who told other people about it should be temporarily muted. If Jagex wanted to get really creative with the punishments, they could take the amount of XP in any skill that was leveled unfairly and halve it. So if a player had level 90 in a skill then abused the bug to get 99, they would drop down to level mid-80.

 

 

 

I'll compromise.

 

 

 

Those who get caught should be stat wiped, back to what they were a week ago. They should also have last chance revoked, because if they break enough rules to get banned in the future, it's obvious they haven't learned.

 

 

 

Those who did it a lot, like the 1.5million slayer exp guys, should be permabanned. Those who didn't do it as much, you know 60k exp her or there, should get a temp ban, maybe a weeklong to give them time to think about it.

 

 

 

A slap on the hand won't do anything. I understand that whenever a bug breaks out in an MMO, people will instinctively fly towards it to abuse the hell out of it, but I think Jagex is trying to make a forceful stand here and hopefully deter anyone from "trying out" a huge bug like this in the future.

 

 

 

Sounds good to me except what's the story with the 1.5m slayer xp guys? Why do they get perm banned? I'm not defending them, but it seems to me that either everyone gets perm banned or no one does. Just because they used it more doesn't mean they used it worse.

I love the half stat wipe idea, if they can't do that, permaban them.

 

 

 

Otherwise it would be so stupid, i would love to cheat my way to 99 slayer and 99 str and 99 range and mage, summoning and other things, and be banned for a week only to have my stats back once im unbanned.

Death Note event surprisingly similar.

Sounds good to me except what's the story with the 1.5m slayer xp guys? Why do they get perm banned? I'm not defending them, but it seems to me that either everyone gets perm banned or no one does. Just because they used it more doesn't mean they used it worse.

 

 

 

It makes perfect sense to me. Why does murdering 1000 people get a bigger punishment than murdering 1? Why does stealing $10,000 get a bigger punishment than stealing $10? The punishment is supposed to correspond to the magnitude of the crime.

 

 

 

How so? Would you really feel like you achieved less because someone cheated their way to one of your levels? :roll: Honestly, all the whining about other people cheating seems pretty pathetic to me. Yes, they cheated, so what? How exactly does that affect you? It's a game. The fact that a few people cheating a few levels makes so many people this "upset" should really make those people reconsider how seriously they're taking this game. :roll: Yes, they broke a rule, so Jagex will deal with them appropriately. What I don't understand is why so many people get upset over something that shouldn't affect them at all if they're taking runescape for what it is, a game. o_O

 

 

 

That argument can work both ways. If they are banned, so what? It's just a game. :roll: Who cares? :roll: See how dumb you sounded?

 

 

 

PS: And to answer your question, cheaters do effect other players. Let's say 10 people have 99 Slayer the fair way. It's an achievement only shared amongst 10 people. Then let's say 10 cheaters come along and get 99 Slayer the unfair way. Now there are 20 people with 99 Slayer and while they have the same achievement, half of them got it the right way and half of them got it the wrong way - which is unfair to the fair training players because 99 Slayer isn't as special anymore due to cheaters.

That argument can work both ways. If they are banned, so what? It's just a game. :roll: Who cares? :roll: See how dumb you sounded?

 

Uhh... What? I really couldn't care less if they were banned or not, it may come as a surprise to you, but it is a game.

 

 

 

PS: And to answer your question, cheaters do effect other players. Let's say 10 people have 99 Slayer the fair way. It's an achievement only shared amongst 10 people. Then let's say 10 cheaters come along and get 99 Slayer the unfair way. Now there are 20 people with 99 Slayer and while they have the same achievement, half of them got it the right way and half of them got it the wrong way - which is unfair to the fair training players because 99 Slayer isn't as special anymore due to cheaters.

 

If someone is taking the game so seriously that someone who cheated having the same things they do is upsetting them, they need to reconsider how much they care about a game. If someone gets something they want the way the game is designed for it to be gotten, they will have the sense of achievement that someone who cheats will never have that feeling. Seriously, people need to stop being so worried about what other people are doing, and enjoy their own game.

Uhh... What? I really couldn't care less if they were banned or not, it may come as a surprise to you, but it is a game.

 

 

 

That's my point. The whole "It's just a game!" argument is horrendous as you can use it in any context really.

 

 

 

"I'm ranting because I lost my AGS due to scammers."

 

"So what??! It's just a game lolzoz!"

 

 

 

Why are you posting on the forums, dude? It's just a game!

 

 

 

If someone is taking the game so seriously that someone who cheated having the same things they do is upsetting them, they need to reconsider how much they care about a game. If someone gets something they want the way the game is designed for it to be gotten, they will have the sense of achievement that someone who cheats will never have that feeling. Seriously, people need to stop being so worried about what other people are doing, and enjoy their own game.

 

 

 

Right... so it's up for you to say that other players shouldn't care about cheaters, but it's not up to Jagex to decide what they want or don't want in their own game...? I got news for you. The world doesn't revolve around you. All I said was that they deserve to be banned because they are ruining the game.

 

 

 

And nice job completely missing the point in my PS. You might not have the same feeling you had before when you're sharing the same achievement as people who obtained it in a non-legit manner. Why do you think steroids are illegal in sporting events? What you seem to be implying is that Jagex makes rules for no reason at all.