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I have friends in real life AND rs who ARENT mods, and they all would never go close to it unless they were givin a crown.



Then again, most of my friends are idiots




cough, he said those people were idiots cough.



OO. Does that mean that mods are idiots in general then as all these 'idiots' want the crown?



Report rule breakers fine. Reporting rule breakers to go for the modship is pretty poor form. It matters to ME because I find it distasteful. Are we getting it yet? And you have not read the previous posts regarding a mod gaining status have you? I'd suggest you go back and read the post FULLY.




So we shouldnt have any mods because you dont like some of them? We all fully acknowledge some mods arent good, most are. Why should we remove something just because you had a bad experience with a mod. If a mod is breaking rules or whatever then report them, just because you dont like something is no reason to get rid of it.



Dont quote sections of my post unless you're answering them. In particular I like the fact that you seem not to recognise that there is something wrong about using the reporting system to up your status, and not for the good of the game.



Finally, stop trying to put words in my mouth, when I said mods are not absolutely necessary I mean that the game would go on without them.




You made statements so I used direct quotes from you.



IMO they are beneficial to runescape, you clearly disagree, but you also choose to disregard that good mods can be quite helpful in situations such as the classic advert bot etc. Just because something isnt perfect doesnt mean we should just throw it out the window.




Excellent. the advert bot......and....um..................z.z.z.z.z. What exactly is the etc?

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Good, so now you've come round to the idea that your own opinion is not the be all and end all, and that i'm actually entitled to one.


As long as you do the same for me and don't correct my opinions...sure.



At last, a proper debate!



YOU quoted the 1 out of 3 mods thing. You said that only 1 of them being useful (read your own post and yes you did quote the status thing!). YOU stated these facts, not me.


I said there are 3 types of player mods... one of these type is a genuine player mod who wants to help the game, the other 2 are in it for the status symbol. It doesn't mean that 33,3% of player mods are good while 66,7% are bad... It means you will find player mods in these 3 categories. What you imply is that 1-2% are good mods while the rest are either in it for the status symbol or the power abuse they can inflict.



I just used your figures and the way you explained it. If mods were honest about it (yeah right!) could you see most of them being happy if the crown was removed? I don't think so. Why would this be? Those who obtain power fear to lose it and all that.







reporting for modship is pretty poor form indeed. I also find it distasteful. What I can't agree with you because I have not seen any evidence in my experience is that MOST mods are doing it this way. As for the post regarding gaining mod status, I admit that I can't find it... is it in this post? What's with the "horse mouth" thing? Is it some code word for something else...or an american expression I'm not familiar with (sorry ...french-canadian here...). About world 2 being the reporting world... I was not aware of that... care to explain the phenomenon or just post a link, I'm genuinely out of the park on that one.




You agree that it is poor form. Are you aware of reporting accuracy? If that one is new, ask a mod friend. They should shed some light on the subject. World 2 is often a good choice as its busy. 'From the horses mouth' means directly from the source i.e. from mods themselves. You see if you play to someones ego (very big!) and let them trust you for long enough they will volunteer information with a little coaxing. I simply asked a few direct questions and I got some direct answers.

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I have friends in real life AND rs who ARENT mods, and they all would never go close to it unless they were givin a crown.



Then again, most of my friends are idiots




cough, he said those people were idiots cough.



OO. Does that mean that mods are idiots in general then as all these 'idiots' want the crown?



Report rule breakers fine. Reporting rule breakers to go for the modship is pretty poor form. It matters to ME because I find it distasteful. Are we getting it yet? And you have not read the previous posts regarding a mod gaining status have you? I'd suggest you go back and read the post FULLY.




So we shouldnt have any mods because you dont like some of them? We all fully acknowledge some mods arent good, most are. Why should we remove something just because you had a bad experience with a mod. If a mod is breaking rules or whatever then report them, just because you dont like something is no reason to get rid of it.



Dont quote sections of my post unless you're answering them. In particular I like the fact that you seem not to recognise that there is something wrong about using the reporting system to up your status, and not for the good of the game.



Finally, stop trying to put words in my mouth, when I said mods are not absolutely necessary I mean that the game would go on without them.




You made statements so I used direct quotes from you.



IMO they are beneficial to runescape, you clearly disagree, but you also choose to disregard that good mods can be quite helpful in situations such as the classic advert bot etc. Just because something isnt perfect doesnt mean we should just throw it out the window.




Excellent. the advert bot......and....um..................z.z.z.z.z. What exactly is the etc?




you quoted someone as support for your point, but did not quote the part where they said their friends were idiots. That part of the statement is relevant because we all agree that bad mods are a problem



There is something wrong with reporting to up your status, there is a difference between players who are reporting because they want to be special and players who want to report and potentially be a mod because they want to help the game more.



intentionally warping what I said is attempting to put words in my mouth. I have said that there are bad mods, and they should be dealth with. My problem is your opinion that all mods are corrupt and that somehow your personal experience proves it.



advert bots, spamming of obscence pictures through chat, stopping a flame war through speech or if absolutely necessary muting, explaing rules to a confused player.



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I just used your figures and the way you explained it. If mods were honest about it (yeah right!) could you see most of them being happy if the crown was removed? I don't think so. Why would this be? Those who obtain power fear to lose it and all that.




Thats true to some extent, the reason mods have a crown is so that they can be recognized as mods. Without a crown the classic im a mod and if you drop your stuff and press alt+f4 scam would appear.
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I have friends in real life AND rs who ARENT mods, and they all would never go close to it unless they were givin a crown.



Then again, most of my friends are idiots




cough, he said those people were idiots cough.



OO. Does that mean that mods are idiots in general then as all these 'idiots' want the crown?



Report rule breakers fine. Reporting rule breakers to go for the modship is pretty poor form. It matters to ME because I find it distasteful. Are we getting it yet? And you have not read the previous posts regarding a mod gaining status have you? I'd suggest you go back and read the post FULLY.




So we shouldnt have any mods because you dont like some of them? We all fully acknowledge some mods arent good, most are. Why should we remove something just because you had a bad experience with a mod. If a mod is breaking rules or whatever then report them, just because you dont like something is no reason to get rid of it.



Dont quote sections of my post unless you're answering them. In particular I like the fact that you seem not to recognise that there is something wrong about using the reporting system to up your status, and not for the good of the game.



Finally, stop trying to put words in my mouth, when I said mods are not absolutely necessary I mean that the game would go on without them.




You made statements so I used direct quotes from you.



IMO they are beneficial to runescape, you clearly disagree, but you also choose to disregard that good mods can be quite helpful in situations such as the classic advert bot etc. Just because something isnt perfect doesnt mean we should just throw it out the window.




Excellent. the advert bot......and....um..................z.z.z.z.z. What exactly is the etc?




you quoted someone as support for your point, but did not quote the part where they said their friends were idiots. That part of the statement is relevant because we all agree that bad mods are a problem

That quote was very relevant. You wanted to emphasise that further. That only added to my arguement. I could have used it myself but chose not to in good taste.



There is something wrong with reporting to up your status, there is a difference between players who are reporting because they want to be special and players who want to report and potentially be a mod because they want to help the game more.

And yet again you still do not answer the question I asked. Do you think that many would continue/go for modship without the crown? Don't skip around the point, just answer it.



intentionally warping what I said is attempting to put words in my mouth. I have said that there are bad mods, and they should be dealth with. My problem is your opinion that all mods are corrupt and that somehow your personal experience proves it.

How can anyone intentionally warp anything when it's a direct quote? Does a mod who tries to get/perform modship for status fall under the category of 'bad mod'? Do I also categorise those who would dump modship at the loss of the crown a bad mod? If so your figure just raised considerably. I already suspect you know this fact. Of course I have had more than one experience of it as you have read but I havent said all mods are corrupt. Again we come to this point of status and what would happen if it was removed. All those lovely angels would be without their silver crowns. Blastphemy!!!



advert bots, spamming of obscence pictures through chat, stopping a flame war through speech or if absolutely necessary muting, explaing rules to a confused player.

I agree. Why do we require mods if we can all report? Oh the mute thing again? Normally used as a weapon against players and thats not negotiation, thats just a threat.



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I just used your figures and the way you explained it. If mods were honest about it (yeah right!) could you see most of them being happy if the crown was removed? I don't think so. Why would this be? Those who obtain power fear to lose it and all that.




Thats true to some extent, the reason mods have a crown is so that they can be recognized as mods. Without a crown the classic im a mod and if you drop your stuff and press alt+f4 scam would appear.


With trade limits a lot less common. Tbh if a player falls for that sort of scam is it not up to a player to learn not to? After all Jagex still states RS is not a kids game so do players really need a nanny?

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Just to emphasise a point to posters who may think i have some 'jealousy' thing going. First anyone can go around reporting people, so if I wanted a modship I'd do that, kiss up to as many players as possible and generally be sickly sweet nice to people.



In reality I treat players as I find them, irrelevant of combat levels, and point people in the right direction when needed. What I don't do is hover over the report button at the first opportunity and wait for players to do say the wrong thing. I find the common sense method works much better for most things.



In short if I wanted a modship, I'd go for one. Like RS its not exactly rocket science.

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according to you I sure seem to know a lot of things that arent true



Would as many people try to get modship if it didnt have a crown, probably not. Would the players that deserve to be mods still report people that need reported(serious offenses not report hunting) yes.



Your argument focuses on a few bad mods that are a problem, and jagex probably does need to be more careful about who they select. My main problem is that you are overgeneralizing mods, some are bad, most are good players who are helpful. Most mods dont report hunt, and in fact mods are instructed to tell someone they are breaking rules before reporting if it is something trivial( for instance good mods wont report someone for saying that socks). Saying we should remove that status just because some misuse it is unrealistic. Should we remove the police because some are bad? Should we go to anarchy because government isnt perfect? Should we stop driving because a car can malfunction? The answer is no, and the same reasoning applies to mods.
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Your main point seems to be that many mods are in it only for the crown and recognition. Care to point where you got this, or did you merely ask a large amount of WBMs why they wanted the status?



Look at what mods are selected for. Is it reporting quantity? No, that's what a WBM thinks though. It's actually my belief that blatant report farming would actually hinder one's chances of being selected.

Quality? Partially, as a player who reports with accuracy probably knows the rules well enough. It's hardly the top reason one is selected though.

What I gained from knowing a great many mods was that many actually did not report regularly, but they were helpful and knowledgeable players. You may find this if you go out and meet some mods... As long as you don't purposely act immature or offensive.



I'm basing the post off the same thing as you, experience around mods.

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I apologise if you find my comments offensive, but this is a debate. You argue a point, I counter, I argue a point, you counter. Better get used to it.



Can you honestly see nearly as many people going for modship if it didn't give the crown? Of course not, lets be realisic here. You're making reference to players who have already obtained a modship. Lets face it you can do that, and never report again but still keep it but use it when you wish. Don't you find the process of how players become mods just a little dodgy? Or ever read the chat of an existing mod and notice how the chat in place becomes so elongated that its unreal? Almost like they are at a job interview and talking posh which lets face it is just a facade when you're on best behaviour.



Sorry but the cops/government thing doesn't wash. After all these guys are paid for what they do. Its a vocation not some sort of status symbol. This is RS where the stakes are completely different. Its used as a power tool. In RL a cop wouldnt go into a bar, get his/her badge out and shout 'hiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!', or decide they don't want to be a cop today, but tomorrow they do because they feel like it.

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Your main point seems to be that many mods are in it only for the crown and recognition. Care to point where you got this, or did you merely ask a large amount of WBMs why they wanted the status?



Look at what mods are selected for. Is it reporting quantity? No, that's what a WBM thinks though. It's actually my belief that blatant report farming would actually hinder one's chances of being selected.

Quality? Partially, as a player who reports with accuracy probably knows the rules well enough. It's hardly the top reason one is selected though.

What I gained from knowing a great many mods was that many actually did not report regularly, but they were helpful and knowledgeable players. You may find this if you go out and meet some mods... As long as you don't purposely act immature or offensive.



I'm basing the post off the same thing as you, experience around mods.




'Its actually my belief'.......Sorry but it seems people have been taking pot shots at me for my 'beliefs/opinions/experiences'. These guys seem to want facts so put your money where your mouth is and back it up.

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I more or less did, in the form of requesting you to go and meet some mods. I would recommend either Tip.It based clan chat to start, they usually have a few...



As for this, I think I'm done for now... :lol: Finally there's a debate in here though!

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Don't you find the process of how players become mods just a little dodgy? Or ever read the chat of an existing mod and notice how the chat in place becomes so elongated that its unreal? Almost like they are at a job interview and talking posh which lets face it is just a facade when you're on best behaviour.



Sorry but the cops/government thing doesn't wash. After all these guys are paid for what they do. Its a vocation not some sort of status symbol. This is RS where the stakes are completely different. Its used as a power tool. In RL a cop wouldnt go into a bar, get his/her badge out and shout 'hiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!', or decide they don't want to be a cop today, but tomorrow they do because they feel like it.




I fail to see how your feeling that player mods talk to much is relevant, seems like you just have a grudge against them for whatever reason.



My cop example is directed specifically your plan to eliminate all mods based upon your dislike of a few. We all understand that cops are not a direct equivilency to player mods, thats why its an example. Stereotyping all mods as power hungry or anything based off of a few experiences of your own is hardly reason to remove them.



edit--we arent taking pot shots, your trying to use your personal experiences as a universal opinion which it isnt. We disagree at varying levels about the purity of the p mods, but it is not true that they are all report hungry and full of themselves.
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I more or less did, in the form of requesting you to go and meet some mods. I would recommend either Tip.It based clan chat to start, they usually have a few...



As for this, I think I'm done for now... :lol: Finally there's a debate in here though!




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Don't you find the process of how players become mods just a little dodgy? Or ever read the chat of an existing mod and notice how the chat in place becomes so elongated that its unreal? Almost like they are at a job interview and talking posh which lets face it is just a facade when you're on best behaviour.



Sorry but the cops/government thing doesn't wash. After all these guys are paid for what they do. Its a vocation not some sort of status symbol. This is RS where the stakes are completely different. Its used as a power tool. In RL a cop wouldnt go into a bar, get his/her badge out and shout 'hiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!', or decide they don't want to be a cop today, but tomorrow they do because they feel like it.




I fail to see how your feeling that player mods talk to much is relevant, seems like you just have a grudge against them for whatever reason.

Poor retort. You didnt answer my question properly!



My cop example is directed specifically your plan to eliminate all mods based upon your dislike of a few. We all understand that cops are not a direct equivilency to player mods, thats why its an example. Stereotyping all mods as power hungry or anything based off of a few experiences of your own is hardly reason to remove them.

It was a bad example you used because you still don't answer my questions.



edit--we arent taking pot shots, your trying to use your personal experiences as a universal opinion which it isnt. We disagree at varying levels about the purity of the p mods, but it is not true that they are all report hungry and full of themselves.




I agree not all. There are a minority out there who understand the spirit of modship. But you still evade the questions I set of how they get there.



Universal opinion? Im not the only one who thinks they do this for status so your facts are incorrect. Did you check earlier posts as it seems even or did you conveniently forget to read them?. I've handled your tag teaming fairly well so far, as none of you have properly answered some of the more pressing questions. You knew you'd get into a hole you could'nt get out of regarding status and what players do to become mods. I can guarantee your opinion is not as absolute as you think it is. You seem suprised that I would have these issues, but do not forget my values are much different from yours.

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I'm yet to see a single fact come from you supporting that all mods just do it for the attention, while you tell us we're too opinionated. Your entire argument is based around an assumption that people wouldn't want to be mods if they didn't have a crown next to their name. If you want your argument to have any real background, give us proof of all these terrible mods. Show us how they try to hog all the attention. Give us a picture of a mod saying that they are only in it for the crown. I'm willing to bet that you cant find more than 1 or 2 solid examples of this. Give actual proof and then I'll debate it.




I don't tell you you're too opinionated. Others seem to think I cannot have a personal opinion, while they have theirs. I have had experience of these 'terrible' mods as you put. I take it this is not enough for you? Is there a problem with debating it and taking me at my word? Or are you just joining the 'mods are my friends' tag team?



If it is not good enough to take me at my word then fine, go debate somewhere else.


I think you may have missed the point of a debate, you make a statement and give evidence, then I (or any other debater) make a rebuttal and give our own evidence. Rinse and repeat. If the first person didn't need any evidence then they could make a ridiculous claim and then just say "prove me wrong." I could say for example, that I am 10 feet tall. You have no way of proving me wrong, but in reality I can't make such a claim without evidence.



And besides, you can't really debate with opinions, otherwise it will end up like it is now with one person saying "I think X" and then the next person says "well, I think Y" and it never amounts to anything.



Oh and I haven't seen any pressing questions, but list them again and I'll answer as best as I can.

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I'm yet to see a single fact come from you supporting that all mods just do it for the attention, while you tell us we're too opinionated. Your entire argument is based around an assumption that people wouldn't want to be mods if they didn't have a crown next to their name. If you want your argument to have any real background, give us proof of all these terrible mods. Show us how they try to hog all the attention. Give us a picture of a mod saying that they are only in it for the crown. I'm willing to bet that you cant find more than 1 or 2 solid examples of this. Give actual proof and then I'll debate it.




I don't tell you you're too opinionated. Others seem to think I cannot have a personal opinion, while they have theirs. I have had experience of these 'terrible' mods as you put. I take it this is not enough for you? Is there a problem with debating it and taking me at my word? Or are you just joining the 'mods are my friends' tag team?



If it is not good enough to take me at my word then fine, go debate somewhere else.


I think you may have missed the point of a debate, you make a statement and give evidence, then I (or any other debater) make a rebuttal and give our own evidence. Rinse and repeat. If the first person didn't need any evidence then they could make a ridiculous claim and then just say "prove me wrong." I could say for example, that I am 10 feet tall. You have no way of proving me wrong, but in reality I can't make such a claim without evidence.



And besides, you can't really debate with opinions, otherwise it will end up like it is now with one person saying "I think X" and then the next person says "well, I think Y" and it never amounts to anything.



Oh and I haven't seen any pressing questions, but list them again and I'll answer as best as I can.




Lmao, I thought debate was based around opinion as well as fact. Otherwise things would never be decided. Obviously you've a lot to learn. Have a skip through the posts again as its plain you don't read them properly.

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I'm yet to see a single fact come from you supporting that all mods just do it for the attention, while you tell us we're too opinionated. Your entire argument is based around an assumption that people wouldn't want to be mods if they didn't have a crown next to their name. If you want your argument to have any real background, give us proof of all these terrible mods. Show us how they try to hog all the attention. Give us a picture of a mod saying that they are only in it for the crown. I'm willing to bet that you cant find more than 1 or 2 solid examples of this. Give actual proof and then I'll debate it.




I don't tell you you're too opinionated. Others seem to think I cannot have a personal opinion, while they have theirs. I have had experience of these 'terrible' mods as you put. I take it this is not enough for you? Is there a problem with debating it and taking me at my word? Or are you just joining the 'mods are my friends' tag team?



If it is not good enough to take me at my word then fine, go debate somewhere else.


I think you may have missed the point of a debate, you make a statement and give evidence, then I (or any other debater) make a rebuttal and give our own evidence. Rinse and repeat. If the first person didn't need any evidence then they could make a ridiculous claim and then just say "prove me wrong." I could say for example, that I am 10 feet tall. You have no way of proving me wrong, but in reality I can't make such a claim without evidence.



And besides, you can't really debate with opinions, otherwise it will end up like it is now with one person saying "I think X" and then the next person says "well, I think Y" and it never amounts to anything.



Oh and I haven't seen any pressing questions, but list them again and I'll answer as best as I can.




Lmao, I thought debate was based around opinion as well as fact. Otherwise things would never be decided. Obviously you've a lot to learn. Have a skip through the posts again as its plain you don't read them properly.


I wasn't trying to say there could be no opinions, I was saying that it's impossible to have a debate with out some facts since it's clear you and I have different opinions that we strongly believe in and aren't just suddenly going to decide to start agreeing with. I think a good start would be why do you think player moderators as a majority are power hungry and in it only for the status. Since that's the major disagreement, knowing why you think what you do is an important factor.

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How do you expect me to explain the mod selection process when noone outside of jagex knows it? Also, you can insult me and say I havent read as much as you want its not going to make you correct.



Clearly, me acknowledging that there are bad mods and saying that the process may be refined is a clear attempt to stonewall your opinion. Its as if Im answering your questions to the fullest extent of my ability in an underhanded attempt to force my "absolute" opinion on you



I already addressed that the mod selection process could use some improvement, and there are people that report just to get mod status. Almost all of your posts include a line saying I am claiming something that I am clearly not. Stop trying to apply a hidden meaning to everything I say, Im not Shakespeare, there isnt a metaphor to everything I say.
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I'm yet to see a single fact come from you supporting that all mods just do it for the attention, while you tell us we're too opinionated. Your entire argument is based around an assumption that people wouldn't want to be mods if they didn't have a crown next to their name. If you want your argument to have any real background, give us proof of all these terrible mods. Show us how they try to hog all the attention. Give us a picture of a mod saying that they are only in it for the crown. I'm willing to bet that you cant find more than 1 or 2 solid examples of this. Give actual proof and then I'll debate it.




I don't tell you you're too opinionated. Others seem to think I cannot have a personal opinion, while they have theirs. I have had experience of these 'terrible' mods as you put. I take it this is not enough for you? Is there a problem with debating it and taking me at my word? Or are you just joining the 'mods are my friends' tag team?



If it is not good enough to take me at my word then fine, go debate somewhere else.


I think you may have missed the point of a debate, you make a statement and give evidence, then I (or any other debater) make a rebuttal and give our own evidence. Rinse and repeat. If the first person didn't need any evidence then they could make a ridiculous claim and then just say "prove me wrong." I could say for example, that I am 10 feet tall. You have no way of proving me wrong, but in reality I can't make such a claim without evidence.



And besides, you can't really debate with opinions, otherwise it will end up like it is now with one person saying "I think X" and then the next person says "well, I think Y" and it never amounts to anything.



Oh and I haven't seen any pressing questions, but list them again and I'll answer as best as I can.




Lmao, I thought debate was based around opinion as well as fact. Otherwise things would never be decided. Obviously you've a lot to learn. Have a skip through the posts again as its plain you don't read them properly.


I wasn't trying to say there could be no opinions, I was saying that it's impossible to have a debate with out some facts since it's clear you and I have different opinions that we strongly believe in and aren't just suddenly going to decide to start agreeing with. I think a good start would be why do you think player moderators as a majority are power hungry and in it only for the status. Since that's the major disagreement, knowing why you think what you do is an important factor.




You haven't read the posts have you? Otherwise you would know why I said those things. I've had to repeat them time and time again so they are as clear as day but no-one has really answered them. They just skirted around the issues. By the way, in this forum most of the things debated are based on personal opinion of players and not direct fact.

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How do you expect me to explain the mod selection process when noone outside of jagex knows it? Also, you can insult me and say I havent read as much as you want its not going to make you correct.


Because you won't give a straight answer.



Clearly, me acknowledging that there are bad mods and saying that the process may be refined is a clear attempt to stonewall your opinion. Its as if Im answering your questions to the fullest extent of my ability in an underhanded attempt to force my "absolute" opinion on you


So you're afraid to admit that I could be right in some areas, otherwise a plain and simple yes or no with explanation would have sufficed.



I already addressed that the mod selection process could use some improvement, and there are people that report just to get mod status. Almost all of your posts include a line saying I am claiming something that I am clearly not. Stop trying to apply a hidden meaning to everything I say, Im not Shakespeare, there isnt a metaphor to everything I say.


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How do you expect me to explain the mod selection process when noone outside of jagex knows it? Also, you can insult me and say I havent read as much as you want its not going to make you correct.


Because you won't give a straight answer.



Clearly, me acknowledging that there are bad mods and saying that the process may be refined is a clear attempt to stonewall your opinion. Its as if Im answering your questions to the fullest extent of my ability in an underhanded attempt to force my "absolute" opinion on you


So you're afraid to admit that I could be right in some areas, otherwise a plain and simple yes or no with explanation would have sufficed.



I already addressed that the mod selection process could use some improvement, and there are people that report just to get mod status. Almost all of your posts include a line saying I am claiming something that I am clearly not. Stop trying to apply a hidden meaning to everything I say, Im not Shakespeare, there isnt a metaphor to everything I say.


Bingo - Thank you, you have told me all I need to know. =D>




I cant give a straight answer about a process that noone here is familair with. Quickly explain the entirety of quantum mechanics and if you dont your avoiding answering(see the flaw in your logic here)



You are right that there are some bad mods, thats pretty much it. One piece of your idea being right does not justify the rest. If you claim that 1+1 equals 2 as part of a proof the moon is made of cheese the 1+1 part does not make the rest of the proof accurate.



Glad I could tell you your own opinion :roll: , again, just because one piece of your idea is good doesnt make the rest accurate.
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