PMods - Purpose or Status?

[sees_all1]

When I was playing the Great Orb Project, there was an idiot fruitcake hugger. Its hard to deal with these people, but someone on my team called them something along the lines of f***less. Except the censor didn't catch that.

 

This is what I wrote the first time.

 

-I was playing the minigame The Great Orb Project. It is a team game, so when a player doesn't know what they're doing, it hurts the rest of the team.

 

-There was a particular individual who was not able to heed the advice of his teammates - for instance, he would hold onto an orb until it stopped moving, then continued to hang on to it.

 

-I dislike these types of players, the clan I'm in calls them "Idiot fruitcake huggers". Anyhow, I was annoyed at this individual, but I never called him an Idiot fruitcake hugger.

 

-The rest of my team was starting to get annoyed with this individual, so they started to tell him to get off the orb, and play defense on the other team.

 

-The individual, just stood there hugging the orb.

 

-Another person on my team told this individual that he was f***less. The censor did not star out what it should have done.

 

This is what I wrote the second time. I didn't think I would have to spell it out like that, or clarify that amount, but I guess I did have to. I don't believe the stories are any different - they don't appear to contradict each other in any way either. (If another third party would like to tell me if both stories say the same thing - I'd appreciate it.)

 

 

 

Anyhow, rule #1 is Offensive Language. From Jagex -

 

You must not use any language that could be considered offensive, racist, obscene or otherwise inappropriate. This includes swearing.

 

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2. What do you mean by offensive or inappropriate language?

 

This includes (but is not limited to): discussion of recreational drugs, sexually explicit language, solicitation, racism or other prejudice, threatening, blackmail and swearing. It's simply a matter of common sense - try not to say anything that someone might find offensive.

 

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4. What about mis-spelling an offensive word to disguise it? Is that okay?

 

No, please don't do this. In fact, mis-spelling an offensive word or using symbols to replace letters to avoid the chat filter is considered even worse.

 

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6. What is flooding the chat window?

 

Spamming/flooding the chat window is to fill the chat window with unnecessary text. This is also an offence and is disruptive and unfair on other players as it makes it more difficult for them to communicate and trade with each other.

 

 

(I left out "Why do we have this rule", "Is it okay to ask for a boyfriend/girlfriend" and "Is noob offensive" because it doesn't really apply to the point I'm trying to make.)

 

Here's the thing - if you go to a crowded world, at the G.E., often times you will find many people breaking these rules, especially spamming/flooding, or using an autotalker. This is against the rules, and it still happens quite frequently. A player moderator is able to mute these individuals right then and there, normal players can only report and *hope* jagex disciplines them in the future so it will stop. That is one function of a player moderator that is still very real.

 

As far as I'm concerned, player mods are few and too far between to stop this. I've only had contact with a dozen or so moderators over the past year, and most of the time they were in popular clan chats, such as forsakenmage, uloveme, and BioIce's cc for GOP.

 

 

 

I know that those dozen moderators aren't ALL pmods in runescape, but I'd have to imagine that out of the 100 million accounts that have been created, less than .001% are pmods (that's about 10k). That's to say that, at any given time, maybe about 500 moderators are signed in.

 

 

 

I think, to fix the problem you've stated, instead of there being less moderators, there should be more moderators. Why would this fix the problem? There wouldn't be the mindset of "High and Mighty." It would no longer be a select few. There should also be three levels of moderation, and with each level, more privileges be given. That way, about 1 in every 100 accounts could be a low level mod - with the ability to give priority reports, and 1 hour mutes. Getting a 1 hour mute from a low level mod isn't such a big deal, and it'll be easy to find those people that abuse their powers; those that do what you've described, be all high and mighty, and not abide by the conduct a moderator should be.

 

 

 

Then, when a low level mod has shown that they can be trustworthy, and really a decent player moderator (for at least a year), they'll be bumped up to the next level. About 5% of all moderators are at this level, or 1 in 20 moderators. They would have the ability to give priority reports, up to 24 hour mutes. Some mods in this category may have all that power go to their head, but if they're ever caught abusing their power, they'd have their modship stripped from their account. These types of mods would be fewer and further between, but it still wouldn't be a big deal to be this type of mod.

 

 

 

The third type, the high level moderator, would be hand picked by Jagex from those that have been the second level type for 1 year or more. These high level mods would have the ability to give up to 1 week mutes, and up to 1 blackmark at a time. Understanding that this is a big responsibility, this type of moderator would be banned for abusing their powers. There would be nothing to distinguish this type of mod from the 2nd tier - any mod at the 2nd tier wouldn't threaten other players.

 

 

 

With this system, I don't think you'll get people abusing their powers like you've experienced, and being a low level moderator wouldn't be such a big deal - not much status. 2nd tier mods would have a bit more "status" - but they'd be monitored close enough not to abuse their powers. Mods wouldn't be such a foreign player to everyone, and they wouldn't be idolized.

[Guest]

Re-Pantim

 

 

 

Really? Tell us something we dont know. I said it does not have to be fact. Doh!!

 

 

 

Its obvious where your interests lie. We should snitch on everyone no matter what. As I said to 1seesall perhaps someone will be kind enough to enforce these rules if you mess up yourself.

 

 

 

Why the lack of patience for other players? I get questioned all time for my agility cape. Its always the same Where you train, how long for, how long will it take from level x (insert number here). So what? I didnt think modship was a when I can be bothered routine. It just adds to my point of doing it for the status instead of doing what a mod should be about.

 

 

 

As far as PVP and Junk are concerned the new CEO seems to love them. Read his posts and bring it up with him if you think it encourages bots. Not sure what the BH is though.

 

 

 

Stop this BS. You accuse me of "hiding", "cheap shots" and "snitching". Just answer my points. Don't give these BS excuses. If you want everything to be one sided, go to the Rants forum, and rant on p mods.

 

 

 

On a side note, the comment about Junk trading and PvP were answered by Andrew, not the new CEO.

 

 

 

Andrew posted, but the discussions were between him and the CEO. I don't believe he would post without the CEO's agreement.

 

 

 

What I've said is correct, and I believe I have answered your points. You think snitching is fine, then so be it. It's your opinion but don't expect me to agree with it, because I don't. I've debated with players on here in case you hadn't read the title. I would suggest you read some more so you can get the idea.

[Guest]

re - sees_all1

 

 

 

Your first post calls a player a idiot fruitcake hugger. You didnt bother to clarify until much later. I can only go off what you post. I really enjoy your two tier system where you can call players what you want, but you report anyone else who says anything.

 

 

 

The problem you state with busy worlds is that Jagex relies on its pmods, who may or may not decide to act. This is a problem in itself. If this is such a serious matter as you claim it is, then the solution is to use Jagex Mods. Having someone who actually works for the company would be much more efficient as the reports dont have to be checked by anyone. What ban or mute is given stands automatically straight away. I dont think Jagex puts these offences as high on its priority list as you do, because they would have done something about it themselves by now, as they did to combat RWT.

 

 

 

As far as having more Pmods..Youre having a laugh arent you? They cant even get many of the ones they have right, without putting more on the scene. This would mean so many players having to be kept on a leash, it just wouldnt work. It encourages more player to go into snitch mode for modship and will end up in more players muted etc. Now I know youll stand there and go Yes thats what we want but more players will leave and Jagex does not want that at the moment in the current financial climate. Players would be getting banned for saying wtf and cba.

 

 

 

In fact, youd just open up lower level mods to ridicule from other players. Imagine all the noob mod taunts.

 

 

 

The game would be even more regulated than it is now. Trades and PVP became regulated and it ruined the game for many. Lets not flood the game with so many plastic police we cant even move for someone threatening to report us.

[Abc1230]

I absolutely agree with you, p mods are pointless. It's great if they report people for legitimate reasons, but like you said, they're usually just looking for trouble.

[Owned_Nex]

Re-Pantim

 

 

 

Really? Tell us something we dont know. I said it does not have to be fact. Doh!!

 

 

 

Its obvious where your interests lie. We should snitch on everyone no matter what. As I said to 1seesall perhaps someone will be kind enough to enforce these rules if you mess up yourself.

 

 

 

Why the lack of patience for other players? I get questioned all time for my agility cape. Its always the same Where you train, how long for, how long will it take from level x (insert number here). So what? I didnt think modship was a when I can be bothered routine. It just adds to my point of doing it for the status instead of doing what a mod should be about.

 

 

 

As far as PVP and Junk are concerned the new CEO seems to love them. Read his posts and bring it up with him if you think it encourages bots. Not sure what the BH is though.

 

 

 

Stop this BS. You accuse me of "hiding", "cheap shots" and "snitching". Just answer my points. Don't give these BS excuses. If you want everything to be one sided, go to the Rants forum, and rant on p mods.

 

 

 

On a side note, the comment about Junk trading and PvP were answered by Andrew, not the new CEO.

 

 

 

Andrew posted, but the discussions were between him and the CEO. I don't believe he would post without the CEO's agreement.

 

 

 

What I've said is correct, and I believe I have answered your points. You think snitching is fine, then so be it. It's your opinion but don't expect me to agree with it, because I don't. I've debated with players on here in case you hadn't read the title. I would suggest you read some more so you can get the idea.

 

 

 

Why is snitching bad? Is breaking the rule a "little" not breaking it.

 

 

 

Stop making excuses. Where have you answered any of my points? You've whined and cried to everyone. Lets see you make your own case.

[Alg]

The main point to address -

 

As a whole, do mods serve a purpose, or is it just a status?

 

You can debate this without personal attacks or accusations.

[mmmcannibalism]

The main point to address -

 

As a whole, do mods serve a purpose, or is it just a status?

 

You can debate this without personal attacks or accusations.

 

 

 

Player mods do serve a purpose, we could argue how much the ability to instant mute severe offenses is but as long as their is a need they do have a purpose. The fact not all of them are perfect while important, doesnt nullify the need for them.

[Guest]

 

Why is snitching bad? Is breaking the rule a "little" not breaking it

 

 

 

Stop making excuses. Where have you answered any of my points? You've whined and cried to everyone. Lets see you make your own case.

 

 

 

Snitching means you're going out asking for trouble. You're just trying to catch any player out, fair means or foul. You would probably be the first to complain if someone did this to you. Many of these rules have grey areas, plus players do not resort to sticking people on ignore enough. Giving players less attention that way usually solves the problem.

 

 

 

Snitching also tells me a lot about the person. You have only cemented further my instinct that I would rather trust a player who is a little rogue than somebody opting for moderator status. At least I know where I stand with the former.

 

 

 

I have answered your points. I have debated everyone else's points. Why don't you come up with something remotely useful in this post and I will happily debate it.

 

 

 

I did think about re-iterating the points again for you, but if you really can't be bothered to read through the points that I and other players in this post have made then its your problem.

[Guest]

The main point to address -

 

As a whole, do mods serve a purpose, or is it just a status?

 

You can debate this without personal attacks or accusations.

 

 

 

Player mods do serve a purpose, we could argue how much the ability to instant mute severe offenses is but as long as their is a need they do have a purpose. The fact not all of them are perfect while important, doesnt nullify the need for them.

 

 

 

I still disagree. Even yourself, Mr mmmcannibalism, have admitted you'd feel a pang if they took away your status symbol. If the game really needs to be moderated then let some Jmods take over. Jagex could use the cash saved from checking the reports to actually patrol the worst worlds/areas. I personally dont mind paying more ££'s if it raised the price of the game.

[mmmcannibalism]

I still disagree. Even yourself, Mr mmmcannibalism, have admitted you'd feel a pang if they took away your status symbol. If the game really needs to be moderated then let some Jmods take over. Jagex could use the cash saved from checking the reports to actually patrol the worst worlds/areas. I personally dont mind paying more ££'s if it raised the price of the game.

 

 

 

its not really a pang, more of an eh(this is good english)

 

 

 

The thing is if there are say 1000 p mods(I know there to be many more) it would probably take at least 250 employees to replace that effect(numbers are obviously high margin of error). Paying 100 people is a lot more of a detriment then paying 10 to monitor 1000 p mod reports and maybe giving them a raise to start rooting out overzealous mods.

[sees_all1]

Your first post calls a player a idiot fruitcake hugger. You didnt bother to clarify until much later. I can only go off what you post. I really enjoy your two tier system where you can call players what you want, but you report anyone else who says anything.

 

No - I had no problem with everyone else saying "hugger noob", "stupid noob" or anything along those lines. But I do have a problem with f***less. If you think f***less should be unfiltered, and acceptable, then I can see why you don't want player moderators.

 

 

 

The problem you state with busy worlds is that Jagex relies on its pmods, who may or may not decide to act. This is a problem in itself. If this is such a serious matter as you claim it is, then the solution is to use Jagex Mods. Having someone who actually works for the company would be much more efficient as the reports dont have to be checked by anyone. What ban or mute is given stands automatically straight away. I dont think Jagex puts these offences as high on its priority list as you do, because they would have done something about it themselves by now, as they did to combat RWT.

 

From Jagex:

 

 

To ensure that RuneScape stays such a place, Jagex introduced Player Moderators to the game. Player Moderators are normal players of the game, just like you. They still play to complete quests and increase their levels, but because they have shown themselves to be a trustworthy and active reporter, they have been invited by Jagex to monitor the game while they are playing and to take appropriate action when they see rule breaking.

 

 

 

Player Moderators have two ways to deal with rule breaking in the game:

 

 

 

 

 

* The Report Abuse button

 

This is the same Report Abuse button that all other players have, but a dedicated team of Jagex staff members will be assessing each of these reports as a matter of priority.

 

 

 

* Temporary mutes

 

In extreme cases of the Rules of Conduct being broken, Player Moderators also have the option to mute players for 48 hours. To avoid the possibility of this power being abused, each mute will be checked by a member of Jagex staff as soon as possible to ensure that each action taken by a Player Moderator is completely correct.

 

 

 

 

 

Since Player Moderators look no different from any other character, to avoid confusion Jagex has made all Player Moderators very easy to identify. Every Player Moderator will have a small silver crown next to their name when they type a message. Below is an example of the crown you will see next to the name of a Player Moderator.

 

If you see ANYONE in-game saying they are a Player Moderator or member of Jagex staff who does not have the necessary crown, then you should report them immediately for Impersonation by clicking the Report Abuse button. This also applies if a character says that their 'other account' or 'main' is a Player or Jagex Moderator. No real Player Moderator or member of staff would say this. We do not have Player Moderators or staff in disguise and hidden. Neither will a crown or Moderator status be 'in processing'.

 

 

 

Player Moderators receive no extra benefits, monetary or otherwise, in or out of the RuneScape environment other than the silver crown, their mute abilities and access to the Player Moderator Centre. Player Moderators get no reward other than the satisfaction of a job well done and are not paid for the role they perform for us. They do not get free membership, items, skills or any other bonus for their character in any way whatsoever, nor are they provided with any advance or behind the scenes information that isn't publicly available to all players.

 

 

 

From Mod MMG's Q&A

 

Q) Fire Wa L L - I was just wondering if there there could be more mods added in the game for certain worlds. For instance, if a player is promoted to a mod, ask them if they would be willing to watch one world or something in this nature.

 

A) We are looking to substantially grow our mod community which should give us a healthy population in each world, but as it is a completely voluntary service we would never mandate serving on specific worlds or times.

 

 

 

So, lets recap the above:

 

-Player Moderators are HAND PICKED, meaning that their reports are accurate. If these players baited others to get their status, as you said, do you think Jagex would pick them?

 

 

 

-If jagex had 100 employees just to monitor runescape, they'd pay a huge chunk of money for moderation, instead of the silver crowns they give out now.

 

 

 

-When a Player Mod gives a 48 hour mute, it is a BIG DEAL. They don't give them lightly, and Jagex REVIEWS each and EVERY mute given out, to make sure it was accurate.

 

 

 

-Jagex believes there need to be MORE PLAYER MODERATORS and not less.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but I do believe I've provided sufficient evidence to indicate the contrary of your believes that player moderators are a problem, and that there need to be less of them.

 

You can disagree with me all you want, but I've got Jagex's CEO with me on this point of view I've got, and you have... yourself.

[Guest]

No - I had no problem with everyone else saying "hugger noob", "stupid noob" or anything along those lines. But I do have a problem with f***less. If you think f***less should be unfiltered, and acceptable, then I can see why you don't want player moderators.

 

 

 

I have said in a previous post that the statement the player made is unnacceptable. What I'm pointing out is that you weren't clear about why you called the guy a idiot fruitcake. I'm just illustrating how you bleat with one hand how other players should behave but your own attitude is questionable.

 

 

 

I don't even call players noob. I just don't see the point in it.

 

 

 

 

So, lets recap the above:

 

-Player Moderators are HAND PICKED, meaning that their reports are accurate. If these players baited others to get their status, as you said, do you think Jagex would pick them?

 

 

 

-If jagex had 100 employees just to monitor runescape, they'd pay a huge chunk of money for moderation, instead of the silver crowns they give out now.

 

 

 

-When a Player Mod gives a 48 hour mute, it is a BIG DEAL. They don't give them lightly, and Jagex REVIEWS each and EVERY mute given out, to make sure it was accurate.

 

 

 

-Jagex believes there need to be MORE PLAYER MODERATORS and not less.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but I do believe I've provided sufficient evidence to indicate the contrary of your believes that player moderators are a problem, and that there need to be less of them.

 

You can disagree with me all you want, but I've got Jagex's CEO with me on this point of view I've got, and you have... yourself.

 

 

 

- You don't have to bait anyone to go around reporting. Its about going around and looking for trouble in the first place I don't agree with. Its not exactly difficult to bang in some reports, while going round being unnaturally sickly sweet to players until a modship is granted. Then its open season on whether you decide to bother or not.

 

 

 

It would be more favourable to implement an auto-reporting system, based on players live chat to look for keywords like swearing or spamming. While not perfect it could alert those monitoring the game to take a look at this snapshot then make an informed decision. The imperfections in the system could be ironed out, and the decision is taken by the human element working for Jagex. While its not the ultimate solution, it would discourage the 'looking for trouble' element.

 

 

 

- I'd rather pay more money for the game to be policed PROPERLY, not a bunch of players who want status over others, which is what the thread is about. Maybe its just me not feeling I require a power trip or feel the need to look different.

 

 

 

- Yes I know about mutes. I haven't disputed that. Did you read this thread?

 

 

 

- More PMODS will simply encourage more players to go looking for trouble. This won't make the game any better. In fact it could be the reverse where players will take them less seriously because they would be so common. It will also encourage more players to go looking around for reports. If they cannot get the right players now, which is my point, what hope do they have with a recruitment drive? It will just end up with more status hunters with their selective policing techniques.

 

 

 

If there are so many issues with game for the need for more PMODS, then Jagex should look at who plays the game. Most of the troubles I have seen stem from kids.

 

 

 

It could also end up with more players leaving the game. More mods means more reports. More reports means more bans or mutes. If mutes are slapped for all but the serious cases then that will upset players. The last thing Jagex needs at the minute are more players leaving because it will just serve to raise membership prices anyway. At least Jmods can apply more common sense to things, and players would be more willing to back down. The 'I am the law' attitude from Pmods kind of sounds.....well.....cheesy.

 

 

 

You may be with the CEO on this, but as he will be the first to admit they get a lot of things WRONG! I don't really care if everyone in the whole of RS is against me on these issues. The reality is theres a few posters on here who concede that there are some issues and that there are players who go for the status. Thats not exactly something that Jagex would admit to. You just continue to follow the party line with the flock.

 

 

 

I just don't get off on RS becoming a hive of snitches and attention seekers, when they could be just getting on with the game.

 

 

 

I would be very careful where you tread on these issues, as one day someone might take your own attitude with you for saying something wrong or 'out of context'. You're not exactly an angel yourself and you might end up falling on your own sword.

[mmmcannibalism]

if jagex was willing to sacrifice players to kill rwt then I think they would be willing to lose a few more if it meant a better community.

 

 

 

You can say that mods report hunt, but no mod has ever gotten modship for reporting things that werent offenses. You can say they were "snitching" but maybe players should try not breaking rules if they are so worried about "snitches". Its quite reasonable to say jagex should lighten up on some offenses, but thats a problem on jagex's end not the players.

[sees_all1]

 

*Why get shirty with players like myself who will disagree with a mods knowledge, yet threaten to mute me for it because I dare to disagree. Happened on more than one occasion. I don't need to be told off like a child or spoken to as if I don't know what I'm doing.

 

- Yes I know about mutes. I haven't disputed that. Did you read this thread?

 

 

Why, I read the first post, skipped through pages 2-4, and then took up my position and began debating.

 

But if they're threatening to mute you, perhaps you're doing something wrong?

[funnisam]

Ok, before some of you decide to have heart attacks and cough up your earl grey tea, hear me out on this one. I've played RS for 3 years now. This is purely from a personal viewpoint of my experience of RS. I've also had the 'jealousy' comments before, so when you read down, you'll see exactly why I'm very happy to be 'just another player'. I'm also no rule breaker. I get on with and enjoy the game immensely without the need to cheat or break any other rules. I certainly would not encourage anyone else to rule break either. I do apologise by the way if this post breaks any form of TipIT rules as I did try to find them but couldn't see anything, unless my eyes are failing me lol. :shock:

 

 

 

My discussion point is player mods. Over time I've found more and more players becoming player mods but now I find myself thinking 'why?'. You've been there yourself, where you're having quite an interesting conversation with other players, then all of a sudden your chat goes 'hiiiiiiiii!!' with a silver crown. The mod then takes over the conversation, it all goes downhill because mod knows best *rolls eyes*.

 

 

 

I would rather see the pmod status as gone. We can all report other players and Jagex claims they are no different than other players. So why are they still here? My reasons are for the following:

 

 

 

• *Mods claim to be 'ordinary players' - Would they want the status if it gave you no crown visible to other players? No they would be unhappy because they 'want' other players to know they are mods - hence they do it for the status. Many who then achieve modship then revert back to the 'its not my problem' routine.
   
  *Why give status to people who will gleefully report others - In my mind you get status for hard work, not at the expense of others (PVP excepted). I find this 'looking for trouble' element of it distasteful as it encourages players to snitch, rather than use common sense.
   
  *Why do they insist on giving lectures to players instead of fact? When a mod is around it is permanently littered with mod chat.
   
  *Why, when questioned about how they got their modship do they instantly tele or block a player? - Something to be scared of?
   
  *Why get shirty with players like myself who will disagree with a mods knowledge, yet threaten to mute me for it because I dare to disagree. Happened on more than one occasion. I don't need to be told off like a child or spoken to as if I don't know what I'm doing.
   
  *The main issue of bots has been dealt a serious blow by the limit to trades, not by mods.

 

 

 

Now you may disagree with my comments and that's fine. After all this is debate, so I do not need to see posts telling me to be cast to the flames. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Tbh, i do what i enjoy on the game, i dont spend my time reporting flax pickers to get a stupid little crown that means;

 

a.) even with public chat off people can see what i say

 

b.) i feel the need to snitch on other players

 

 

 

I once had a discussion with mods, which they tried to exclude me from, but i managed to get into anyway. And it seems that their knowledge of rs is very limited due to their time spent reporting flax pickers. Ironically this discussion happened at the yews below the flax field at catherby. They both had a decent amount of gp (shown by their armour) and they were reasonably high levelled (lower than me, but hey i'm 125 f2p). I decided to see how much these mods knew about rs, and spoke about the d2h training method in a poh (get a lot of people wth d2hs and no armour, get a cb ring, spec, die, come back in and repeat), which neither of them knew about and didn't believe when i said it; 'Jagex wouldn't let that happen', false seeing as it did happen, which was confirmed when one of them asked their lvl 133 friend who said i was right.

 

 

 

Basically, player mods (in general) have an inferior knowledge (not all of them, such as H Rassy (max total etc)) than most normal players due to their time spent trying to get moderator status.

 

 

 

Oh and player mods are just a status thing, seeing as f2p player mods get posting rights on the rsof, whilst ordinary people have to actually pay for that.

 

 

 

Honestly player mods should be made to read the knowledge base, take an online exam and have training before receiving a crappy crown that makes me have a lower opinion of you.

[Guest]

if jagex was willing to sacrifice players to kill rwt then I think they would be willing to lose a few more if it meant a better community.

 

 

 

You can say that mods report hunt, but no mod has ever gotten modship for reporting things that werent offenses. You can say they were "snitching" but maybe players should try not breaking rules if they are so worried about "snitches". Its quite reasonable to say jagex should lighten up on some offenses, but thats a problem on jagex's end not the players.

 

 

 

Theres only so many players Jagex can afford to lose though. If the game gets modded to hell, players will leave. Wages still need paying.

 

 

 

You are correct in what you say about where the problem lies. After all Jagex likes its mods and encourages people to become them. So the players look around to see who they can catch out. The player turns against others for a little pat on the back and some extra status.

 

 

 

The fault also lies with these players themselves who are so desperate for recognition. Its all very well saying players should not break rules but I dont believe most players who play RS have never said things that they regretted, and yes, that includes mods too. Goes along the lines of let those without sin cast the first stone or something like that.

[Guest]

Ok, before some of you decide to have heart attacks and cough up your earl grey tea, hear me out on this one. I've played RS for 3 years now. This is purely from a personal viewpoint of my experience of RS. I've also had the 'jealousy' comments before, so when you read down, you'll see exactly why I'm very happy to be 'just another player'. I'm also no rule breaker. I get on with and enjoy the game immensely without the need to cheat or break any other rules. I certainly would not encourage anyone else to rule break either. I do apologise by the way if this post breaks any form of TipIT rules as I did try to find them but couldn't see anything, unless my eyes are failing me lol. :shock:

 

 

 

My discussion point is player mods. Over time I've found more and more players becoming player mods but now I find myself thinking 'why?'. You've been there yourself, where you're having quite an interesting conversation with other players, then all of a sudden your chat goes 'hiiiiiiiii!!' with a silver crown. The mod then takes over the conversation, it all goes downhill because mod knows best *rolls eyes*.

 

 

 

I would rather see the pmod status as gone. We can all report other players and Jagex claims they are no different than other players. So why are they still here? My reasons are for the following:

 

 

 

• *Mods claim to be 'ordinary players' - Would they want the status if it gave you no crown visible to other players? No they would be unhappy because they 'want' other players to know they are mods - hence they do it for the status. Many who then achieve modship then revert back to the 'its not my problem' routine.
   
  *Why give status to people who will gleefully report others - In my mind you get status for hard work, not at the expense of others (PVP excepted). I find this 'looking for trouble' element of it distasteful as it encourages players to snitch, rather than use common sense.
   
  *Why do they insist on giving lectures to players instead of fact? When a mod is around it is permanently littered with mod chat.
   
  *Why, when questioned about how they got their modship do they instantly tele or block a player? - Something to be scared of?
   
  *Why get shirty with players like myself who will disagree with a mods knowledge, yet threaten to mute me for it because I dare to disagree. Happened on more than one occasion. I don't need to be told off like a child or spoken to as if I don't know what I'm doing.
   
  *The main issue of bots has been dealt a serious blow by the limit to trades, not by mods.

 

 

 

Now you may disagree with my comments and that's fine. After all this is debate, so I do not need to see posts telling me to be cast to the flames. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Tbh, i do what i enjoy on the game, i dont spend my time reporting flax pickers to get a stupid little crown that means;

 

a.) even with public chat off people can see what i say

 

b.) i feel the need to snitch on other players

 

 

 

I once had a discussion with mods, which they tried to exclude me from, but i managed to get into anyway. And it seems that their knowledge of rs is very limited due to their time spent reporting flax pickers. Ironically this discussion happened at the yews below the flax field at catherby. They both had a decent amount of gp (shown by their armour) and they were reasonably high levelled (lower than me, but hey i'm 125 f2p). I decided to see how much these mods knew about rs, and spoke about the d2h training method in a poh (get a lot of people wth d2hs and no armour, get a cb ring, spec, die, come back in and repeat), which neither of them knew about and didn't believe when i said it; 'Jagex wouldn't let that happen', false seeing as it did happen, which was confirmed when one of them asked their lvl 133 friend who said i was right.

 

 

 

Basically, player mods (in general) have an inferior knowledge (not all of them, such as H Rassy (max total etc)) than most normal players due to their time spent trying to get moderator status.

 

 

 

Oh and player mods are just a status thing, seeing as f2p player mods get posting rights on the rsof, whilst ordinary people have to actually pay for that.

 

 

 

Honestly player mods should be made to read the knowledge base, take an online exam and have training before receiving a crappy crown that makes me have a lower opinion of you.

 

 

 

Cracking Post! =D>

[Owned_Nex]

 

Why is snitching bad? Is breaking the rule a "little" not breaking it

 

 

 

Stop making excuses. Where have you answered any of my points? You've whined and cried to everyone. Lets see you make your own case.

 

 

 

Snitching means you're going out asking for trouble. You're just trying to catch any player out, fair means or foul. You would probably be the first to complain if someone did this to you. Many of these rules have grey areas, plus players do not resort to sticking people on ignore enough. Giving players less attention that way usually solves the problem.

 

 

 

Snitching also tells me a lot about the person. You have only cemented further my instinct that I would rather trust a player who is a little rogue than somebody opting for moderator status. At least I know where I stand with the former.

 

 

 

I have answered your points. I have debated everyone else's points. Why don't you come up with something remotely useful in this post and I will happily debate it.

 

 

 

I have answered your points. I have debated everyone else's points. Why don't you come up with something remotely useful in this post and I will happily debate it.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. You don;t want to discuss. Thats fine. I'll be leaving now, since you obviously can't handle it. If you actually want a debate, feel free to message me, but I'm not going to reply if you just going to ramble on about how you claim to have answered my points, and why you think I'm the one hiding.

 

 

 

Last points;

 

 

 

Snitching means you're going out asking for trouble. You're just trying to catch any player out, fair means or foul. You would probably be the first to complain if someone did this to you. Many of these rules have grey areas, plus players do not resort to sticking people on ignore enough. Giving players less attention that way usually solves the problem.

 

 

 

I think its good to report. If someone is breaking the rules, why would I add them to my ignore? If they are breaking a rule, I report. Simple.

 

 

 

I have answered your points. I have debated everyone else's points. Why don't you come up with something remotely useful in this post and I will happily debate it.

 

 

 

If you still don't understand, feel free to mail me, and I will quote you on everything you answered. In order to preserve your happy feeling, I hope you reread what you wrote. You might find something very interesting. I have made my points. Waited for your response. These responses do nothign for the debate then throw flame.

 

 

 

 

 

I have answered your points. I have debated everyone else's points. Why don't you come up with something remotely useful in this post and I will happily debate it.

 

 

 

Refer to above post. If you want me to quote everything, please message me. It might explain why you havnt been able to read through my posts.

[Guest]

Re - Pantim.

 

 

 

Fine if you're not happy you toddle off. You actually speak as if you're on a points scoring exercise, when you havent brought anything of substance to the table. You haven't made any useful suggestions either. If you have some sort of superiority complex, where you think posts like yours will win some sort of ego boost to you then thats fine lol. I'm happy to deal with intelligent posts as well as yours so feel free to post at any time. Don't leave when you could actually come up with something good instead of what you have done.

 

 

 

I've gone through all your posts and I believe I answered the very few points you made, of which hardly any are worth mentioning. Have you actually tried to read back? I have posted replies to your points. You can't be bothered to read, then thats your problem.

 

 

 

All you tell me is snitching is good for the game. Like I have said to a few others, I'm sure someone will do the same for you some day, and I know it will happen just from your attitude alone. You're certainly no angel so just don't whinge and moan when it does.

[mmmcannibalism]

Re - Pantim.

 

 

 

Fine if you're not happy you toddle off. You actually speak as if you're on a points scoring exercise, when you havent brought anything of substance to the table. You haven't made any useful suggestions either. If you have some sort of superiority complex, where you think posts like yours will win some sort of ego boost to you then thats fine lol. I'm happy to deal with intelligent posts as well as yours so feel free to post at any time. Don't leave when you could actually come up with something good instead of what you have done.

 

 

 

I've gone through all your posts and I believe I answered the very few points you made, of which hardly any are worth mentioning. Have you actually tried to read back? I have posted replies to your points. You can't be bothered to read, then thats your problem.

 

 

 

All you tell me is snitching is good for the game. Like I have said to a few others, I'm sure someone will do the same for you some day, and I know it will happen just from your attitude alone. You're certainly no angel so just don't whinge and moan when it does.

 

 

 

Why shouldnt we all report legitimate rulebreaking? We can of course debate what is snitching and what is reporting real trouble, but that is horribly subjective. Best solution would be for jagex to loosen up their rules a little bit, and not give modship to anyone who is just reporting a ton of trivial stuff.

[Guest]

 

Why shouldnt we all report legitimate rulebreaking? We can of course debate what is snitching and what is reporting real trouble, but that is horribly subjective. Best solution would be for jagex to loosen up their rules a little bit, and not give modship to anyone who is just reporting a ton of trivial stuff.

 

 

 

I think you asked and answered your own question here. Banging in reports left, right and centre never solves the problem and harms the game.

 

 

 

I've seen a few posts on here stating we should report everyone as rules are rules. Comes back to my point about the application of good old common sense. Now I've had a mod ask me my age because of my game name. Did I report him for that under asking for personal details? No. Do I report players for WTH, WTF etc? No. Do I report players for mentioning fan sites, like this one? No. If it was up to some of the posters here they would all be reported and yet I don't believe any of them to be good as gold either.

 

 

 

Did you read my post to sees_all regarding the autoreporting? Might be a solution.

[mmmcannibalism]

answer my question, why should we report all legitimate rule breaking? I already stated trivial stuff should be ignored as far as making someone a mod, so give me one reason I shouldnt report all serious rulebreaking I see.

[Guest]

answer my question, why should we report all legitimate rule breaking? I already stated trivial stuff should be ignored as far as making someone a mod, so give me one reason I shouldnt report all serious rulebreaking I see.

 

 

 

I don't condone serious rule breaking at all so of course you should report it. I have never denied that. Swearing, racism etc. is no way acceptable. Think that answers your question.

 

 

 

Now, here's mine regarding autoreporting. Why not have that. Would reduce the need more players to report offences regarding the ones above. Happens in other on-line games, where the game kicks you out. At least a temporary mute imposed by the game until its confirmed by Jagex? It would heavily reduce the need for player intervention, stop trivial reporting and you can bet your bottom dollar that the system would stop the serious rule breakers dead in their tracks. If the autoreporter has picked up something completely innocent, the mute/ban is removed. It could pick up on the points above, plus website advertising and spamming.

 

 

 

This way the need for mods is reduced. Simple.

[mmmcannibalism]

If an auto report system could work properly then I agree it could replace mods.

 

 

 

My problem is that I doubt the ability of such a system to pick up context which is important since jagex legalized certain "swear" words.

[Guest]

Possibly. I think it could clear up a lot of the junk reports. How do you mean 'context'? You either use a swearword or you don't, depending whether its on the list of banned words so how does context matter?

 

 

 

I didn't really get the idea of legalising certain words myself, as this only encourages the kids.