Just wondering.

[xmasbandit]

why dont clans just fight us in TWR, it's just a rank if you win you win you loose you loose, and if you want it could be 2 vs us or maybe 3 vs us? :?

[obfuscator]

why dont clans just fight us in TWR, it's just a rank if you win you win you loose you loose, and if you want it could be 2 vs us or maybe 3 vs us? :?

 

 

 

Wrong forum, try the TWR boards ;)

 

 

 

I can't speak for any clan in particular, as any clan I have been in that participated in TWR has never declined you, but it is a simple fact that The will beat all the clans currently on that list. I agree that this should be reflected in the rankings, but people don't like to lose, it's just a fact.

[Kimberly]

People don't understand that the TWR is about victories AND activity. Really, declining a war only hurts you and your clans points. It's better to fight for a half hour and lose than completely reject a fight for a bullcrap reason.

 

 

 

That's my two pence anyway.

[Loge_05]

People don't understand that the TWR is about victories AND activity. Really, declining a war only hurts you and your clans points. It's better to fight for a half hour and lose than completely reject a fight for a bullcrap reason

 

Seconded. From what I'm hearing, there is a culture amongst certain clans to avoid wars they think are uneven. As part of a larger TWR change coming soon, we would like to see the declining policy altered, as the status quo has raised a lot of important issues.

 

 

 

Feel free to add me on MSN if you have any issues you'd like to discuss further:

 

[email protected]

[decebal]

I believe the main thing that makes people not want to fight your clan is the fact that 'The' is just too powerful. Not just do clans not want to lose, but also members don't want to be in a losing clan.

[Kimberly]

I believe the main thing that makes people not want to fight your clan is the fact that 'The' is just too powerful. Not just do clans not want to lose, but also members don't want to be in a losing clan.

 

 

 

True, losing is bad for morale. But so is not warring. I'd take a few well-fought losses to absolute stagnation.

 

 

 

If a clan is that worried about the status and morale of their clan, perhaps an active warring list is not the best situation to place yourself in at that time. Lists like this, you have to be prepared to fight and take the good with the bad, I think.

[Nobody]

Because you're THE, you're scary.

[Beckingham]

I really don't understand it at all, I would be really excited if I found out we were going to fight 'the'. The chances of us winning, no matter the kind of fight, are very small, but its still an awesome experience.

[decebal]

I really don't understand it at all, I would be really excited if I found out we were going to fight 'the'. The chances of us winning, no matter the kind of fight, are very small, but its still an awesome experience.

 

You haven't seen the frenzy on our forums when we were fighting 'The', have you? :? .

 

 

 

You could easily tell we were fighting 'the', hell, you could smell it through your browser screen.

 

 

 

And to Lady Ninane, how can a battle be well-fought when it's something along the lines of a, say, 13 vs. 40?

[obfuscator]

I really don't understand it at all, I would be really excited if I found out we were going to fight 'the'. The chances of us winning, no matter the kind of fight, are very small, but its still an awesome experience.

 

You haven't seen the frenzy on our forums when we were fighting 'The', have you? :? .

 

 

 

You could easily tell we were fighting 'the', hell, you could smell it through your browser screen.

 

 

 

And to Lady Ninane, how can a battle be well-fought when it's something along the lines of a, say, 13 vs. 40?

Good tank practice. :P

[Kimberly]

And to Lady Ninane, how can a battle be well-fought when it's something along the lines of a, say, 13 vs. 40?

 

 

 

Meh, decebal, fair point. That's a bit of a landslide. But in that case you wouldn't declare a fullout when you're SO brutally outleveled, would you? The rules are out there to be flexible for clans with power/number/level disadvantages. You can get both sides to agree to level ranges, player caps, pkris, etc. I don't know why people don't use these rules to their advantages when facing an unrealistic challenge.

 

 

 

I dunno. I am new to this whole TWR concept. But that's my understanding of it.

[red_Fat1]

The question is why would u waste a day warring a clan which u have no chance of beating while u can fight a clan similar size skill and power to yours. Its not about the losing its just they would rather have some fun rather than being destroyed killing like 2/30 of your members.

[Gamerr]

The question is why would u waste a day warring a clan which u have no chance of beating while u can fight a clan similar size skill and power to yours. Its not about the losing its just they would rather have some fun rather than being destroyed killing like 2/30 of your members.

 

 

 

I think we always try to be fair & if they don't want full outs we can do matched.

 

 

 

And imho in a warring list the strongest clan should be #1.

[Kimberly]

The question is why would u waste a day warring a clan which u have no chance of beating while u can fight a clan similar size skill and power to yours. Its not about the losing its just they would rather have some fun rather than being destroyed killing like 2/30 of your members.

 

 

 

In a matched opts, the playing field is as equal as you're going to get.

 

 

 

Because stronger clans are a minority, there will never be the same amount of opponents available to them as there are to clans around, let's say for example, PK Masters' size. They're going to have to declare on some weaker clans. And if they're going to do so, why would they declare on people ranked BELOW them, when they can get more points declaring on people ranked ABOVE them? These people ranked in the top 10 are supposed to be, in theory, active AND strong warring clans.

 

 

 

If you're declining because they're stronger than you, that's doing you and the entire TWR a disservice. You're perpetuating an inaccurate list.

[red_Fat1]

The question is why would u waste a day warring a clan which u have no chance of beating while u can fight a clan similar size skill and power to yours. Its not about the losing its just they would rather have some fun rather than being destroyed killing like 2/30 of your members.

 

 

 

I think we always try to be fair & if they don't want full outs we can do matched.

 

 

 

And imho in a warring list the strongest clan should be #1.

 

 

 

Even in matched ops you would have the major advantages of level's and proberly experience because u can pick ur best members.

[Kimberly]

The question is why would u waste a day warring a clan which u have no chance of beating while u can fight a clan similar size skill and power to yours. Its not about the losing its just they would rather have some fun rather than being destroyed killing like 2/30 of your members.

 

 

 

I think we always try to be fair & if they don't want full outs we can do matched.

 

 

 

And imho in a warring list the strongest clan should be #1.

 

 

 

Even in matched ops you would have the major advantages of level's and proberly experience because u can pick ur best members.

 

 

 

Then request a level cap or a handicap if you find yourself the weaker team to put yourself on even grounds.

 

 

 

At what point do the excuses stop?

[Gamerr]

The question is why would u waste a day warring a clan which u have no chance of beating while u can fight a clan similar size skill and power to yours. Its not about the losing its just they would rather have some fun rather than being destroyed killing like 2/30 of your members.

 

 

 

I think we always try to be fair & if they don't want full outs we can do matched.

 

 

 

And imho in a warring list the strongest clan should be #1.

 

 

 

Even in matched ops you would have the major advantages of level's and proberly experience because u can pick ur best members.

 

 

 

What are you implying now? That because we're a big clan we have to give major advantages to small clans just to give them a chance? In matched wars we always let our trials fight, which are mostly people who aren't that experienced with warring.

 

 

 

A war list rankings is about the strongest clan, and yes they might have a big chance to loose even matched. But if I follow your way of thinking we should agree that a clan like 'The' can't get fights because we are to strong. You're almost even implying that it's wrong of us to find it annoying nobody wants to war us.

[obfuscator]

The question is why would u waste a day warring a clan which u have no chance of beating while u can fight a clan similar size skill and power to yours. Its not about the losing its just they would rather have some fun rather than being destroyed killing like 2/30 of your members.

 

 

 

I think we always try to be fair & if they don't want full outs we can do matched.

 

 

 

And imho in a warring list the strongest clan should be #1.

 

 

 

Even in matched ops you would have the major advantages of level's and proberly experience because u can pick ur best members.

 

 

 

What are you implying now? That because we're a big clan we have to give major advantages to small clans just to give them a chance? In matched wars we always let our trials fight, which are mostly people who aren't that experienced with warring.

 

 

 

A war list rankings is about the strongest clan, and yes they might have a big chance to loose even matched. But if I follow your way of thinking we should agree that a clan like 'The' can't get fights because we are to strong. You're almost even implying that it's wrong of us to find it annoying nobody wants to war us.

 

 

 

I think you are over reacting a little. He merely stated that in a matched opts fight you could pick your best members. He said you COULD, this is completely true. Not only is it true, MOST clans would in fact do this.

 

 

 

I agree completely that clan's shouldn't be declining you, but the simple fact that 'THE' can and will defeat any clan on that ranking list does make some clans have second thoughts about fighting you.

[Enzock]

The question is why would u waste a day warring a clan which u have no chance of beating while u can fight a clan similar size skill and power to yours. Its not about the losing its just they would rather have some fun rather than being destroyed killing like 2/30 of your members.

 

 

 

I think we always try to be fair & if they don't want full outs we can do matched.

 

 

 

And imho in a warring list the strongest clan should be #1.

 

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate, I know from experience your generals are quite adamant that they won't do matched opts for the TWR league when the rules state that the default are fullouts, which give THE an advantage. :P

 

 

 

It really has equal pros and cons imo, it can be bad for your clan to have a fight in which you have very little chance of success, but it can also be good for your TWR rank to accept fights rather than decline them as it rewards activity.

 

 

 

Just to be clear, rank 1 does not = the 'strongest' warring clan, the TWR is based on a number of ways of getting points. I think technically you can be rank 1 with more losses than wins, so long as your clan is very active.

[True_Ownage]

I don't remember declining a war with 'The', I remember trying to make it a more fun experience for us by changing the rules slightly, but never declining.

[Uffan5]

What are you implying now? That because we're a big clan we have to give major advantages to small clans just to give them a chance? In matched wars we always let our trials fight, which are mostly people who aren't that experienced with warring.

 

 

 

A war list rankings is about the strongest clan, and yes they might have a big chance to loose even matched. But if I follow your way of thinking we should agree that a clan like 'The' can't get fights because we are to strong. You're almost even implying that it's wrong of us to find it annoying nobody wants to war us.

 

Agreed ;)

[decebal]

I know from experience your generals are quite adamant that they won't do matched opts for the TWR league when the rules state that the default are fullouts, which give THE an advantage. :P

 

 

 

Actually, this is a problem that has been disscussed on my clan's forums, but if two clans cannot agree on ANY of the rules, a moderator can step in to make things fair.

[Sanctus_Petrus]

You have 123 members with 120 avg? Yea, that won't get you many wars with clans in TWR. But then again, TWR is just an activity chart so it doesn't really matter.

 

 

 

If you are interested, we could set up a 3v1 with one of our ally clans. You don't use Swiftirc.net though so it's always hard to reach you.

[Enzock]

You have 123 members with 120 avg? Yea, that won't get you many wars with clans in TWR. But then again, TWR is just an activity chart so it doesn't really matter.

 

 

 

If you are interested, we could set up a 3v1 with one of our ally clans. You don't use Swiftirc.net though so it's always hard to reach you.

 

/server irc.mozor.net /j #theclan

[LegendaryStu]

If THE are interested, i shall try and organize a group of clanners from TIF to fight you. Similar to what Corr did, can be CWA or PvP, Pkri or just a standard war.

 

 

 

Do get back to me :)