I'd say it's the perfect specimen for stem cell research. Without a brain, it's only human in body. The baby looks human, yes, but really it's just a ball of nerves, bones and muscles. It's a true shame, and I don't blame the mother for her decision (I'd have trouble giving it up, too) but the kid will never by any means be normal.

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

 

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

 

 

instead of delaying the inevitable

 

 

 

Death is inevitable for every human being.

I think what you all are saying is absolutely sick and twisted and ruining whatever dignity this world has left to the rights of human life. There's a reason that those who support abortion are called "pro-choice" and not "pro-abortion". The mother has a choice to abort her baby, she is under no obligation to do so. You people claim that the baby does nothing and therefore the "products and services are better off used elsewhere". I can't believe anyone has the audacity to say that load of crap. What are we going to become if we begin to start debating over what lives are worth living and what lives are "wasting resources"? Should we get rid of the handicapped then, because America should not have to cater to them?

 

 

 

There are countries that are in a far worse state right now. My mom's sister in Pakistan has a speech and learning impediment and was denied an education in a proper school because her teachers couldn't adapt to extra teaching for her. And in Pakistan, it's incredibly hard to find a tutor for such special cases. She lives with my grandmother in Karachi and has never gotten an education beyond middle school. She's been trying to get into Australia to live with my mom's other sister but the Australian government has repeatedly denied her access. Now she's trying to move in with us and can hopefully have an easier arrival. Should we just have people like her and the other handicapped executed just because they waste the services of a special teacher who could have easily taken a different job that benefitted the country more? I can't believe anyone can say something as insensitive and barbaric as killing a human because it wastes resources. If people actually begin to act on such claims then pretty soon we'd end up close to the Nazis in getting rid of human wastes of flesh.

 

She has zero capabilities.

 

She can move, breath, and eat. Thats about it.

 

 

 

Those aren't really capabilities as standard autonomous functions. A capability would entail something requiring mental or physical orchestration.

 

She has zero capabilities.

 

She can move, breath, and eat. Thats about it.

 

 

 

Those aren't really capabilities as standard autonomous functions. A capability would entail something requiring mental or physical orchestration.

 

 

 

I thought he meant physical capabilities. My mistake.

The thing with wasted resources is that it can be applied to many other things. Look at the elderly, the injured, the comatose, etc. They need care, it's not a waste for them as much as it seems to be for this one child.

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

 

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

Then so be it.

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

 

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

Then so be it.

 

 

 

Where does father nature come into the picture?

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

 

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

Then so be it.

 

 

 

Where does father nature come into the picture?

 

It was mother nature's time of the month and she killed him.

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

 

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

Then so be it.

 

 

 

Where does father nature come into the picture?

 

It was mother nature's time of the month and she killed him.

 

 

 

Uh... the baby isn't dead.

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

 

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

Then so be it.

 

 

 

Where does father nature come into the picture?

 

It was mother nature's time of the month and she killed him.

 

 

 

Uh... the baby isn't dead.

 

Who said that? I said mother nature killed father nature.

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

 

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

Then so be it.

 

 

 

Where does father nature come into the picture?

 

It was mother nature's time of the month and she killed him.

 

 

 

Uh... the baby isn't dead.

 

Who said that? I said mother nature killed father nature.

 

 

 

My mistake, I thought you meant something else.

 

Where does father nature come into the picture?

 

It was mother nature's time of the month and she killed him.

 

 

 

Uh... the baby isn't dead.

 

 

 

Physically anyway...

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The baby CANNOT THINK! IT IS ALREADY DEAD! THERE IS NO POINT KEEPING IT ALIVE BECAUSE IT IS DEAD!

 

 

 

Listen to this very carefully:

 

 

 

THE MOM IS PAYING THE MEDICAL BILLS FOR HER BABY! WE ARE NOT PAYING FOR HER BABY.

 

 

 

Judging by what you are assuming, we should kill people that are about to die anyway. While we're killing babies with no brains, lets go pay a visit and pull the plug on that 104-year old lady thats gonna die in a couple weeks. I think they're "wasting" our money as well. Real quick, there's this cancer victim thats about to die, lets go put that person to sleep. Yup, we're really wasting resources on people that are about to die. That sounds like something Hitler did when he came to power (I'm gonna wait to see how many people respond to the Hitler sentence).

 

Ooo big letters, I can do that too. THERE'S SUCH A THING CALLED OPPORTUNITY COST.

 

 

 

 

It's not murder, though. For all intents and purposes, this child is dead. It will never ride a bike, go to kindergarden, or climb a jungle gym. All it will do is lay wherever its parent's set it down. This baby has no brain, it will not realize it's alive or dead.

 

 

 

Its not murder to kill someone that doesn't have a brain but still is a living breathing person? Its not murder to kill someone who can't ride a bicycle? Well then, I think I'm gonna go butcher some "leeches" real quick because they can't do things normal people can.

 

This baby isn't a person. All it is is a poop machine. Insert food -> collect poop. That's all it does. That's all it ever will do. Nice non sequitur, too. :thumbup:

 

 

 

 

Yes, it should be. And I know that I would rather die than be a vegetable; a leech on society.

 

 

 

A leech? What is she doing that is leeching? Her mom is paying for the medical bills, its coming out of her money. God, I have to repeat this several times.

 

Yes, isn't repetition annoying? It doesn't matter that its mom is paying the bills, all the products/services that are being wasted on it should be used somewhere else.

 

Let's look at it this way.

 

 

 

Machine X could keep the child alive for N days. It costs Y dollars to use the machine, upkeep, doctors, etc.

 

 

 

Mother pays the Y dollars. She continues to pay the Y dollars. Are you saying that she shouldn't be entitled to keep her child alive because you don't think she should?

 

 

 

Because in that case you're a [bleep] head.

 

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because, I repeat, THE PRODUCTS/SERVICES THIS BABY IS USING HAVE A MUCH BETTER USE SOMEWHERE ELSE. All machine X can do is, essentially, keep a corpse breathing. There's no point to having machine X and the materials and labor used to produce it should have been used to make something else.

 

Yeah, well guess what. Every piece of bread you've eaten in your entire life could have gone to a starving child in Africa. But it didn't. Why? Some people can afford what they want, others cannot. This mother has the right to keep her child alive, and by all means she will.

 

The bread that I ate allowed me to survive so I can go to school and eventually have a career. And, like I previously stated, not all lives are worth the same. The starving child in Africa doesn't have the potential I do, so the bread did go to the best use. Also, simply being able to afford something doesn't mean you should waste it. If I had enough money to buy a fleet of H3s and have them idling 24/7 that would just be wasteful. The products that I would be WASTING would have a much better use somewhere else, as does everything that's being thrown at this baby.

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So, it's wrong for the mother to spend her own money to keep her own baby alive because you think her baby isn't ever going to be anything?

 

 

 

Using that logic, you'd currently be dead.

 

No, because there was practically a 100% chance that I would amount to something other than basic bodily functions. This child, however, won't change. When it's 3 months old it will act the same as when it's 30 as when it's 60. It will only get bigger and more costly without any contribution to society.

 

The thing with wasted resources is that it can be applied to many other things. Look at the elderly, the injured, the comatose, etc. They need care, it's not a waste for them as much as it seems to be for this one child.

 

I believe many of them are wasteful, too. Many require resources that are greater than their output.

 

I think what you all are saying is absolutely sick and twisted and ruining whatever dignity this world has left to the rights of human life. There's a reason that those who support abortion are called "pro-choice" and not "pro-abortion". The mother has a choice to abort her baby, she is under no obligation to do so. You people claim that the baby does nothing and therefore the "products and services are better off used elsewhere". I can't believe anyone has the audacity to say that load of crap. What are we going to become if we begin to start debating over what lives are worth living and what lives are "wasting resources"? Should we get rid of the handicapped then, because America should not have to cater to them?

 

There's a difference between the choice to abort a potential LIVING baby, and the "choice" to euthanize this empty shell of a human. All it can do is drain resources, nothing more. For all intents and purposes, this child is dead.

Baby should be put down, not going to do anything at all in her life, if live to even see her first birthday, I'd tell the mother to let go if it was me, I mean yeah, you love your children, especially when they're a baby, but this is a little far.

 

 

 

/end-thread.

Baby should be put down, not going to do anything at all in her life, if live to even see her first birthday, I'd tell the mother to let go if it was me, I mean yeah, you love your children, especially when they're a baby, but this is a little far.

 

 

 

/end-thread.

 

 

 

So, if somone isn't productive, we might as well put them down?

Drain resources? You mean like everybody else?

Baby should be put down, not going to do anything at all in her life, if live to even see her first birthday, I'd tell the mother to let go if it was me, I mean yeah, you love your children, especially when they're a baby, but this is a little far.

 

 

 

/end-thread.

 

 

 

So, if somone isn't productive, we might as well put them down?

 

 

 

Exactly.

Baby should be put down, not going to do anything at all in her life, if live to even see her first birthday, I'd tell the mother to let go if it was me, I mean yeah, you love your children, especially when they're a baby, but this is a little far.

 

 

 

/end-thread.

 

 

 

So, if somone isn't productive, we might as well put them down?

 

Everyone's focusing on that part of the argument too much. This child is DEAD. It will get bigger, but it's dead. It won't talk or walk. It can't even move its limbs on purpose. It isn't aware and it doesn't have emotions. It's not aware of its environment. All of the characteristics that make a human human are missing. This child is dead and keeping it "alive" is downright idiotic.

The child's essentially a hollow shell.

 

 

 

This whole ordeal shouldn't happen to anyone, and yes, the mother seems insane. But considering this, I won't judge, it'd be in rather bad taste.

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

Then so be it.

 

Where does father nature come into the picture?

 

It was mother nature's time of the month and she killed him.

 

Uh... the baby isn't dead.

 

By the way, the baby is a girl, not a him.

 

 

 

Why does everyone refer to killing her as "putting it down"? I thought that was the term for killing pets.

I don't say it deserves to die, but it doesn't deserve to be artificially kept alive. Should be left alone to die naturally, let mother nature decide.

 

But if mother nature gets to decide then it will definitely die. That's the same as saying she deserves to die.

 

Then so be it.

 

Where does father nature come into the picture?

 

It was mother nature's time of the month and she killed him.

 

Uh... the baby isn't dead.

 

By the way, the baby is a girl, not a him.

 

 

 

Why does everyone refer to killing her as "putting it down"? I thought that was the term for killing pets.

 

Because I wouldn't define it as being "alive". The kid's essentially a hollow shell.

Baby should be put down, not going to do anything at all in her life, if live to even see her first birthday, I'd tell the mother to let go if it was me, I mean yeah, you love your children, especially when they're a baby, but this is a little far.

 

 

 

/end-thread.

 

 

 

So, if somone isn't productive, we might as well put them down?

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

I'm not productive :lol:

Baby should be put down, not going to do anything at all in her life, if live to even see her first birthday, I'd tell the mother to let go if it was me, I mean yeah, you love your children, especially when they're a baby, but this is a little far.

 

 

 

/end-thread.

 

 

 

So, if somone isn't productive, we might as well put them down?

 

Everyone's focusing on that part of the argument too much. This child is DEAD. It will get bigger, but it's dead. It won't talk or walk. It can't even move its limbs on purpose. It isn't aware and it doesn't have emotions. It's not aware of its environment. All of the characteristics that make a human human are missing. This child is dead and keeping it "alive" is downright idiotic.

 

 

 

On the other hand, killing it would be wrong.

 

 

 

Baby should be put down, not going to do anything at all in her life, if live to even see her first birthday, I'd tell the mother to let go if it was me, I mean yeah, you love your children, especially when they're a baby, but this is a little far.

 

 

 

/end-thread.

 

 

 

So, if somone isn't productive, we might as well put them down?

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

You are aware that when I mean someone, I also mean a few elderly people that need medical support to live a bit longer. I think the Third Reich is calling you for duty.

It doesn't matter, every one of you disgust me, the lot of you are barbaric.

 

 

 

Put yourself in the mother's shoes. You carried a kid for nine months, only to find out it's anencephalic. Would you want it to die, or would you try to care for it for a bit?

 

 

 

Goddamn guys, try to understand this from their point of view.