Do Bots get banned ?

[xpandax]

There isn't the same amount of bots as there used to be, so be careful if you wanna report someone. A lot of innocent skillers get caught up in the mix and they get banned. The only bots I would report would be autotypers. Those are more obvious.

 

 

 

And yes, bots get banned, along with hundreds of innocent players.

 

 

 

lmfao, no one gets falsely banned because of people reporting them as a macroer anymore... that hasn't happened since back in 04. they can tell the difference between someone actually macroing and someone just not responding. Anyone telling you they are innocent is just trying to avoid the embarrassment that goes with being a caught autoer.

 

 

 

And no, not all bots get banned... only the truly blatant ones get perm banned. hell, I macroed one of my friends pures to from 80-94 magic without even taking very many breaks to reduce suspicion and you can clearly look up "illlinois" he's still not banned, and i macroed his magic about a year and a half ago.

[n64jive]

There isn't the same amount of bots as there used to be, so be careful if you wanna report someone. A lot of innocent skillers get caught up in the mix and they get banned. The only bots I would report would be autotypers. Those are more obvious.

 

 

 

And yes, bots get banned, along with hundreds of innocent players.

 

 

 

lmfao, no one gets falsely banned because of people reporting them as a macroer anymore... that hasn't happened since back in 04. they can tell the difference between someone actually macroing and someone just not responding. Anyone telling you they are innocent is just trying to avoid the embarrassment that goes with being a caught autoer.

 

 

 

And no, not all bots get banned... only the truly blatant ones get perm banned. hell, I macroed one of my friends pures to from 80-94 magic without even taking very many breaks to reduce suspicion and you can clearly look up "illlinois" he's still not banned, and i macroed his magic about a year and a half ago.

 

 

 

How would u know? And since 2004? Puhlease

[noble_aloof]

scripted bots are near impossible to catch. some are so advanced, they have their own clients, log out every 10 hours, say random giberish in game, and more. and the funny thing is- people actually do it for levels.

[n64jive]

scripted bots are near impossible to catch. some are so advanced, they have their own clients, log out every 10 hours, say random giberish in game, and more. and the funny thing is- people actually do it for levels.

 

 

 

own clients: does nothing to prevent detection

 

log out every 10 hours: better use a random number, or Jagex is going to notice a trend

 

random giberish: have to be pretty advanced to make a conversation seem normal

 

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Almost all bots these days are scripted..in fact even auto clickers are scripted...you just don't view the script.

 

And coming from someone who knows a lot about testing, if it can be automated, it has trends, and if it has trends, then it's detectable. It just takes a lot of man hours on a large scale such as the player population for runescape.

[RSBDavid]

scripted bots are near impossible to catch. some are so advanced, they have their own clients, log out every 10 hours, say random giberish in game, and more. and the funny thing is- people actually do it for levels.

 

 

 

own clients: does nothing to prevent detection

 

log out every 10 hours: better use a random number, or Jagex is going to notice a trend

 

random giberish: have to be pretty advanced to make a conversation seem normal

 

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Almost all bots these days are scripted..in fact even auto clickers are scripted...you just don't view the script.

 

And coming from someone who knows a lot about testing, if it can be automated, it has trends, and if it has trends, then it's detectable. It just takes a lot of man hours on a large scale such as the player population for runescape.

 

 

 

Players who legitly train hunter on red chins usually have trends with the way they set boxes, are you saying they all auto too?

[n64jive]

scripted bots are near impossible to catch. some are so advanced, they have their own clients, log out every 10 hours, say random giberish in game, and more. and the funny thing is- people actually do it for levels.

 

 

 

own clients: does nothing to prevent detection

 

log out every 10 hours: better use a random number, or Jagex is going to notice a trend

 

random giberish: have to be pretty advanced to make a conversation seem normal

 

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Almost all bots these days are scripted..in fact even auto clickers are scripted...you just don't view the script.

 

And coming from someone who knows a lot about testing, if it can be automated, it has trends, and if it has trends, then it's detectable. It just takes a lot of man hours on a large scale such as the player population for runescape.

 

 

 

Players who legitly train hunter on red chins usually have trends with the way they set boxes, are you saying they all auto too?

 

 

 

and thats a good point. Which is why I also argue that stating that no one has been falsely accused since 2004 is a joke. I will agree that if someone makes a good enough script, then jagex isn't going to want to spend the time trying to break it/detect it. However, these scripts are likely hard to come by(that is available to the public)

[xpandax]

Fine, i'll change my comment from an absolute, to being HIGHLY unlikely. Jagex has had their current macro detection systems in place since around late 05 to early 06. Jagex's system detects trends and flags those accounts, the accounts are then looked at by people trained to determine whether someone is macroing or not.. someone getting falsely banned for macroing is highly unlikely.

 

 

 

Current scripts don't have to be perfect, far from it. They only have to be good enough to avoid being flagged by jagex's system, which really isn't very hard. Scripts use variable timing in order to avoid a noticeable trend... while complete randomness probably isn't possible current scripts are certainly capable of being random enough to avoid being flagged by the system... even if you are macroing extremely blatantly... as in 20+ hours with a non variable script the account won't be banned for close to 2 weeks. I've had my fair share of test accounts to test out jagex's detection system. I've had 3 accounts make it to 85 mining banking iron ore the whole way before getting banned... if you use a more random script and put in log out functions, it is pretty easy to get away with macroing... in fact i've done it on my friend's pure.

[The Dark Lord]

 

 

 

 

This is why I'm suspicious every time that someone asks about reporting "bots". You have idiots like this guy running around reporting someone because they don't reply to one line of text. The guy that reported this level 138 was level 133, so apparently they come in all shapes and sizes. After google searching this guy, he appears to be members of very shifty sites, such as one that advertised selling stolen accounts. If it feels necessary, a player mod might want to log into world 52 (Piscatoris Colony fishing area) and monitor this guy for a while in case he really is trying to false report everyone he sees.

[gongusan]

usually not that much nowadays unless theyre reported

[Cheefoo]

Funny thing is, they don't ban them!

 

 

 

(stupid question...)

[pulli23]

There isn't the same amount of bots as there used to be, so be careful if you wanna report someone. A lot of innocent skillers get caught up in the mix and they get banned. The only bots I would report would be autotypers. Those are more obvious.

 

 

 

And yes, bots get banned, along with hundreds of innocent players.

 

 

 

lmfao, no one gets falsely banned because of people reporting them as a macroer anymore... that hasn't happened since back in 04. they can tell the difference between someone actually macroing and someone just not responding. Anyone telling you they are innocent is just trying to avoid the embarrassment that goes with being a caught autoer.

 

 

 

And no, not all bots get banned... only the truly blatant ones get perm banned. hell, I macroed one of my friends pures to from 80-94 magic without even taking very many breaks to reduce suspicion and you can clearly look up "illlinois" he's still not banned, and i macroed his magic about a year and a half ago.

 

I just did.. And I'm still completely left in the dark WHY I was banned (it says macroing, but I haven't done anything like that). - And this was already the 2nd ban with like only a week in between.....

 

 

 

Seriously: what am I doing wrong?

 

 

 

Thank you for sending in your offence appeal - you obviously care about your account, and making sure that you read our rules can help to ensure that you can avoid this situation happening again.

 

 

 

At Jagex, we examine offences and offence appeals very carefully before we come to our final decision.

 

 

 

In this instance, we have found that you were responsible for this offence, and therefore it will remain on your account.

 

 

 

We want you, and every other player, to be positively engaged in our community and the game - if you continue to break our rules, you may reach a point where you are limited to Quick Chat, or even excluded from the game on this account, or any other accounts you have.

 

 

 

What do you do now?

 

 

 

Go here to have a good read of the Rules of Conduct, there is also good advice on ensuring your account is kept secure in our Safety & Security Guidelines, located in the 'Customer Support' section of our website (www.funorb.com).

 

 

 

Have fun - enjoy the community and the game - and please don't spoil the experience of your fellow gamers.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Jagex Customer Support

 

 

 

WOW, they act like I'm stupid or something stupid.. - Literary, asking for any evidence results (even for 2nd time apeal) in this message. - What kind of ruler are they! Really I just asked "what am I doing wrong, how come I'm banned for macroing, I have still no idea what you're talking about.".. And I'm again greeted by this: this is below honourable, it's downright stupid to treat customers like this. (This will probably be the last time jagex gets money from me, the game is amazingly fun but treating me like filth)

[mooch84]

they dont always get banned

 

i know some.. *cough*hexy0*cough* hu botted 99 hunter using the same bot you are talknig about. its more soffisticated than u can think.. he payed for it tho

[Maninblack144]

Custom clients do exist, but they are even easier to detect thanks to the custom headers. People using them risk a lot.

 

 

 

And for the record, all those default woodcutting bots before balanced trades etc. were mostly run by a handful of people using a customized client able to handle hundreds of accounts on a single computer. The creator didn't share it with the world, as was to be expected.

[Zoob]

Well my faith in bots getting banned just went up a fair bit. :thumbup:

 

 

 

I was mining ess in Yanille the other day and every time I banked there was a high level with a fire cape repeatedly saying "14". I mined for a few hours, took a long break and he was still there when I came back. I tried talking to him but the answer was always "14" so I reported him.

 

 

 

Checked the high scores today and "Mulisha kid9" is gone. Sayonara moron, hope it was worth it. :thumbsup:

[xpandax]

Custom clients do exist, but they are even easier to detect thanks to the custom headers. People using them risk a lot.

 

 

 

And for the record, all those default woodcutting bots before balanced trades etc. were mostly run by a handful of people using a customized client able to handle hundreds of accounts on a single computer. The creator didn't share it with the world, as was to be expected.

 

 

 

There were openly available clients that allowed the same thing on a smaller scale. Most people used small armies of level 3's to mine and then they would trade it over to their main. This client that was openly available could handle 15-20 accounts depending on computer specs... the annoying thing was that if you wanted to run multiple clients you had to make "virtual computers"

[1roddad1]

Jagex detects human-like mouse movement, so if its robotic like, they can usually detect it without reports. But with some really good bots, they are designed to act like a human. By reporting them, Jagex pays closer attention to them, so even human-like movement even has flaws :thumbup:

 

 

 

My theory is that if you act oddly, you get sent a random event that helps to prove/disprove if you are a bot. Based on the time and how many tries it takes to finish the random, Jagex decides if you are a bot or not (even if you aren't)

[The Dark Lord]

Jagex detects human-like mouse movement, so if its robotic like, they can usually detect it without reports. But with some really good bots, they are designed to act like a human. By reporting them, Jagex pays closer attention to them, so even human-like movement even has flaws :thumbup:

 

 

 

My theory is that if you act oddly, you get sent a random event that helps to prove/disprove if you are a bot. Based on the time and how many tries it takes to finish the random, Jagex decides if you are a bot or not (even if you aren't)

 

 

 

What if we have a mechanical arm for a prosthetic? :o

[blossom2581]

That won't help

 

 

 

In computer science we have a test called "Turing Test" which tests the intelligence of a machine. In this test, a human judge tries to have conservation with a machine and another human, of which they are isolated. If the judge cannot tell apart the human and the machine, the machine is said to have passed this test.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

 

 

 

It can be compared to a bot trying to disguise as a human. Yet, so far, no machine has passed this test, so in a nutshell, no bot can effectively mimic a human being. Use of such a bot is never flawless.

 

 

 

Given that the RWT "macroing" expert has all gone, and with the experience of Jagex in dealing with sophisicated bots, I doubt any casual people who tries to use bots can get away with macroing.

 

 

 

Report 'em all, and let them pay the price of cheating =)

[pulli23]

That won't help

 

 

 

In computer science we have a test called "Turing Test" which tests the intelligence of a machine. In this test, a human judge tries to have conservation with a machine and another human, of which they are isolated. If the judge cannot tell apart the human and the machine, the machine is said to have passed this test.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

 

 

 

It can be compared to a bot trying to disguise as a human. Yet, so far, no machine has passed this test, so in a nutshell, no bot can effectively mimic a human being. Use of such a bot is never flawless.

 

 

 

Given that the RWT "macroing" expert has all gone, and with the experience of Jagex in dealing with sophisicated bots, I doubt any casual people who tries to use bots can get away with macroing.

 

 

 

Report 'em all, and let them pay the price of cheating =)

 

 

 

Yet in the theoritic computer science it is a proven fact that every turing-complete language is capable of writing such a bot. (And it's also proven that every non-turing-complete language won't be a ble to write a program to pass the turing test).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ANyways, all these assumptions aside: I'm still unfairly banned with no reason given.... (Something much worse than letting a few bots slip through is banning innocent people).

 

 

 

Given I don't use a mouse, but a touch-screen (Home made it myself - it not a touch pad, but a real touch screen).. That way I don't have to move my mouse at all and I can click at a much faster rate.

[Plugpoint]

Lol I saw one the other day chopping willows. It amazes me that they still keep the original bald guy in green clothes, you'd think they'd at least try to make it a little more subtle.

[Veryhyper]

 

Given that the RWT "macroing" expert has all gone, and with the experience of Jagex in dealing with sophisicated bots, I doubt any casual people who tries to use bots can get away with macroing.

 

 

 

 

You are incredibly naive.

[Jenove]

 

Given that the RWT "macroing" expert has all gone, and with the experience of Jagex in dealing with sophisicated bots, I doubt any casual people who tries to use bots can get away with macroing.

 

 

 

 

You are incredibly naive.

 

AMEN :D MUWAHAWHAWHAHAHAHAW:D

[duncdar2]

Eh, bots are getting advanced now. Two weeks ago Pwnz and Rczhang released 2 Grand Orb Project autoers. And, if you didn't know, GoP and the guild have no randoms.