F2P, is it becoming P2P?

[perfetc]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?

 

 

 

I'm not arguing with you but how did you arrive at the total of 7%? It seems like an odd number, like you worked something out.

[Zaaps1]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?

 

 

 

I'm not arguing with you but how did you arrive at the total of 7%? It seems like an odd number, like you worked something out.

 

 

 

I didn't work it out, someone else did. There's a chart that shows this

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blue is f2p, red is p2p, as shown at the bottom.

[perfetc]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?

 

 

 

I'm not arguing with you but how did you arrive at the total of 7%? It seems like an odd number, like you worked something out.

 

 

 

I didn't work it out, someone else did. There's a chart that shows this

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blue is f2p, red is p2p, as shown at the bottom.

 

 

 

sweet, good find! :thumbsup:

[quelmotz]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?

 

 

 

I'm not arguing with you but how did you arrive at the total of 7%? It seems like an odd number, like you worked something out.

 

 

 

I didn't work it out, someone else did. There's a chart that shows this

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blue is f2p, red is p2p, as shown at the bottom.

 

 

 

sweet, good find! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Wonder what made the revenue generated by f2p go down?

[Mico]

[hide=quotes]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?

 

 

 

I'm not arguing with you but how did you arrive at the total of 7%? It seems like an odd number, like you worked something out.

 

 

 

I didn't work it out, someone else did. There's a chart that shows this

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blue is f2p, red is p2p, as shown at the bottom.

 

 

 

sweet, good find! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Wonder what made the revenue generated by f2p go down?

[/hide]

 

 

 

Wasn' t membership price hightened somewhere around then? Subscriptions should bring in alot more money, thus we get the change.

[quelmotz]

[hide=quotes]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?

 

 

 

I'm not arguing with you but how did you arrive at the total of 7%? It seems like an odd number, like you worked something out.

 

 

 

I didn't work it out, someone else did. There's a chart that shows this

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blue is f2p, red is p2p, as shown at the bottom.

 

 

 

sweet, good find! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Wonder what made the revenue generated by f2p go down?

[/hide]

 

 

 

Wasn' t membership price hightened somewhere around then? Subscriptions should bring in alot more money, thus we get the change.

 

 

 

Weren't membership prices increased in 2008? If I remember correctly.

[perfetc]

[hide=quotes]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?

 

 

 

I'm not arguing with you but how did you arrive at the total of 7%? It seems like an odd number, like you worked something out.

 

 

 

I didn't work it out, someone else did. There's a chart that shows this

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blue is f2p, red is p2p, as shown at the bottom.

 

 

 

sweet, good find! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Wonder what made the revenue generated by f2p go down?

[/hide]

 

 

 

Wasn' t membership price hightened somewhere around then? Subscriptions should bring in alot more money, thus we get the change.

 

 

 

Weren't membership prices increased in 2008? If I remember correctly.

 

 

 

Not for me it has always been £3.50

[Troacctid]

[hide=quotes]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?

 

 

 

I'm not arguing with you but how did you arrive at the total of 7%? It seems like an odd number, like you worked something out.

 

 

 

I didn't work it out, someone else did. There's a chart that shows this

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blue is f2p, red is p2p, as shown at the bottom.

 

 

 

sweet, good find! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Wonder what made the revenue generated by f2p go down?

[/hide]

 

 

 

Wasn' t membership price hightened somewhere around then? Subscriptions should bring in alot more money, thus we get the change.

 

 

 

Weren't membership prices increased in 2008? If I remember correctly.

 

The price increased after the release of HD. Existing members still pay the old price unless they let their membership lapse for 2 weeks or more at a time.

[perfetc]

 

 

 

Wasn' t membership price hightened somewhere around then? Subscriptions should bring in alot more money, thus we get the change.

 

 

 

Weren't membership prices increased in 2008? If I remember correctly.

 

The price increased after the release of HD. Existing members still pay the old price unless they let their membership lapse for 2 weeks or more at a time.

 

 

 

I quit just after con was released, before that I played for a few years, I have been back a few months now and I have always paid the same amount for members. It might be because I live in england though.

[quelmotz]

 

 

 

Wasn' t membership price hightened somewhere around then? Subscriptions should bring in alot more money, thus we get the change.

 

 

 

Weren't membership prices increased in 2008? If I remember correctly.

 

The price increased after the release of HD. Existing members still pay the old price unless they let their membership lapse for 2 weeks or more at a time.

 

 

 

I quit just after con was released, before that I played for a few years, I have been back a few months now and I have always paid the same amount for members. It might be because I live in england though.

 

 

 

Hey! We protest! We protest! Unfair treatment of English/people living in England!!

 

 

 

:D

[perfetc]

 

 

 

Wasn' t membership price hightened somewhere around then? Subscriptions should bring in alot more money, thus we get the change.

 

 

 

Weren't membership prices increased in 2008? If I remember correctly.

 

The price increased after the release of HD. Existing members still pay the old price unless they let their membership lapse for 2 weeks or more at a time.

 

 

 

I quit just after con was released, before that I played for a few years, I have been back a few months now and I have always paid the same amount for members. It might be because I live in england though.

 

 

 

Hey! We protest! We protest! Unfair treatment of English/people living in England!!

 

 

 

:D

 

 

 

:twss: Maybe it cos JAGEX is an english company. I will never understand why people put jaGex ( I have even seen jaGEx) but thats a diffrent topic.

[Mico]

I think JaGEx is correct since I think that means Java Games Experts or something like that.

[perfetc]

I think JaGEx is correct since I think that means Java Games Experts or something like that.

 

 

 

Bottom right of the home page says differently.

[Cpchris]

Personally, I just think F2P deserve more. As we say, we have to work a ton harder (I have no problem with that, p2p pays to make it easier), but should showing off a 99 really be decided by who pays and who doesn't? Something like that shouldn't be P2P only.

 

 

 

I'm not going for my 99s for the cape, but I'd like the cape to show off. Mems get all this attention "wow, 99 ____!!!" and f2pers can't show this off even thought it's 4x harder to get a 99.

 

 

 

Of course, we now know that this won't be happening, as MMG has said they will keep skill capes f2p.

 

 

 

I also don't care if we get mem skills. I'm fine with what we have now. I'm really not asking for anything else mems (quests, skills, items, areas, monsters) to become f2p atm other than skill capes.

 

 

 

Also, I thought the forums were originally f2p, then made strictly p2p? Maybe I'm wrong, it would have been several years ago.

[Zamorakshadow]

I wonder how is anyone worried about f2p receiving waay too many updates...

 

 

 

Duel arena, BH, pvp worlds were all f2p because we lost the Wilderness and had almost no pvp after Wildy was removed...

 

 

 

Corrupt Dragon is expensive and crumbles in half an hour, not very useful at all. So, no, f2p didnt get Dragon weapons at all.

 

 

 

Heck, if you look closely, in the whole year of 2009, all f2p got was fixes, new BH and rest update. We got almost nothing in 8 months, even though the CEO of the company said they will update f2p more and that it is not a demo.

 

Yet, i see p2p people complaining that f2p gets too many updates theese days.

 

Seriously, what are you talking about?!

 

 

 

I think most "z0mg f2p r3c3ivez update i quit lulz" people ranting 24/7 on the RSOF are just idiots who can't adapt and accept that f2p is not seen as a demo anymore >.>

 

Seriously, p2p will ALWAYS have more content and be updated more than f2p, so why is there a problem in f2p getting updated?

 

 

 

Thinking p2p will not be worth it because f2p gets too many updates is overreacting A LOT :roll:

[quelmotz]

I wonder how is anyone worried about f2p receiving waay too many updates...

 

 

 

Duel arena, BH, pvp worlds were all f2p because we lost the Wilderness and had almost no pvp after Wildy was removed...

 

 

 

Corrupt Dragon is expensive and crumbles in half an hour, not very useful at all. So, no, f2p didnt get Dragon weapons at all.

 

 

 

Heck, if you look closely, in the whole year of 2009, all f2p got was fixes, new BH and rest update. We got almost nothing in 8 months, even though the CEO of the company said they will update f2p more and that it is not a demo.

 

Yet, i see p2p people complaining that f2p gets too many updates theese days.

 

Seriously, what are you talking about?!

 

 

 

I think most "z0mg f2p r3c3ivez update i quit lulz" people ranting 24/7 on the RSOF are just idiots who can't adapt and accept that f2p is not seen as a demo anymore >.>

 

Seriously, p2p will ALWAYS have more content and be updated more than f2p, so why is there a problem in f2p getting updated?

 

 

 

Thinking p2p will not be worth it because f2p gets too many updates is overreacting A LOT :roll:

 

 

 

Yeah, exactly.

 

 

 

Just because F2P receives a BIT more updates nowadays, those selfish idiots can't adapt to it and because they are apparently receiving less updates, they think f2p is "taking over" P2P. Fat chance.

[Yosonic]

Generally, what Free2Play users are confused of, is the actual point of a payed subscription. What I mean is, by subscribing to a membership on Runescape, this is what you're basically agreeing to: I *Insert name* hereby agree to pay Jagex Ltd. in the amount of X, for added services and features rendered by the said company under Y agreement, for Z amount of time. So, let's break it down now; A member is paying $5.95 USD per month (under a credit card agreement, that is), in order to use the added Runescape membership features for one month. This is what separates p2p, from f2p. Now, here's where free players don't understand. By choosing to play f2p, and pay for nothing, you agree that member-exclusive features will NOT be rendered to the player, and you completely understand this, you're supposed to read the user agreement page, you know. So, again, in simple terminology, you agree, when you make your player, that by law: If you don't pay, you don't get skillcapes, new skills, new area's. You simply agreed to play the f2p game, and nothing more. Whereas p2p players, pay for these things deliberately. You can plead to Jagex, and make as many threads as you want, or have the entirety of RS supporting, Jagex is not obligated to listen to you. YOU made the choice, YOU chose your own consequences, this is no one's fault but the individual's.

 

I agree...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though I want more F2P content :D

[perfetc]

Generally, what Free2Play users are confused of, is the actual point of a payed subscription. What I mean is, by subscribing to a membership on Runescape, this is what you're basically agreeing to: I *Insert name* hereby agree to pay Jagex Ltd. in the amount of X, for added services and features rendered by the said company under Y agreement, for Z amount of time. So, let's break it down now; A member is paying $5.95 USD per month (under a credit card agreement, that is), in order to use the added Runescape membership features for one month. This is what separates p2p, from f2p. Now, here's where free players don't understand. By choosing to play f2p, and pay for nothing, you agree that member-exclusive features will NOT be rendered to the player, and you completely understand this, you're supposed to read the user agreement page, you know. So, again, in simple terminology, you agree, when you make your player, that by law: If you don't pay, you don't get skillcapes, new skills, new area's. You simply agreed to play the f2p game, and nothing more. Whereas p2p players, pay for these things deliberately. You can plead to Jagex, and make as many threads as you want, or have the entirety of RS supporting, Jagex is not obligated to listen to you. YOU made the choice, YOU chose your own consequences, this is no one's fault but the individual's.

 

 

 

There not obligated but they will listen, If the entire runescape community support it then they will put it in the game.

[polyvoree]

P2P:

 

 

 

Barrows

 

Soul wars

 

Pest control

 

Castle wars

 

Barbarian assault

 

More Quests

 

Dragon Armour and weapons

 

More skills

 

More cities / towns

 

Duel arena Tournament

 

Godswords

 

Ancient magics

 

Skillcapes

 

Special attacks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The list goes on. I hope I answered your question.. (NO)

[Ralph]

f2p is noot becoming p2p. anyone who thinks otherwise is very deluded.

[Danny_TeamDan]

f2p is noot becoming p2p. anyone who thinks otherwise is very deluded.

 

Aggreed. Who cares if f2p gets a few p2p st00f. It's like outdated to members anywayz and the rate at which p2p gets updates compared to f2p they'll never be the same lulz.

[Bauke]

Generally, what Free2Play users are confused of, is the actual point of a payed subscription. What I mean is, by subscribing to a membership on Runescape, this is what you're basically agreeing to: I *Insert name* hereby agree to pay Jagex Ltd. in the amount of X, for added services and features rendered by the said company under Y agreement, for Z amount of time. So, let's break it down now; A member is paying $5.95 USD per month (under a credit card agreement, that is), in order to use the added Runescape membership features for one month. This is what separates p2p, from f2p. Now, here's where free players don't understand. By choosing to play f2p, and pay for nothing, you agree that member-exclusive features will NOT be rendered to the player, and you completely understand this, you're supposed to read the user agreement page, you know. So, again, in simple terminology, you agree, when you make your player, that by law: If you don't pay, you don't get skillcapes, new skills, new area's. You simply agreed to play the f2p game, and nothing more. Whereas p2p players, pay for these things deliberately. You can plead to Jagex, and make as many threads as you want, or have the entirety of RS supporting, Jagex is not obligated to listen to you. YOU made the choice, YOU chose your own consequences, this is no one's fault but the individual's.

 

 

 

There not obligated but they will listen, If the entire runescape community support it then they will put it in the game.

 

I don't think there is anyone that would complain if F2P would get all the features P2P has. That would simply mean nobody has to pay for content anymore. But rest assured, Jagex will listen, but not give up their main source of income.

 

 

 

They'll just give F2P a few things once in a while, to keep people playing, and hopefully making the switch to P2P. They're a commercial company, not a philanthropic institution. I always wonder why people think F2P 'deserves' anything, or 'should' get anything. F2P getting anything is purely a choice that Jagex makes, and nobody else. Your opinion is not relevant. It's their content, their service, so they decide.

 

 

 

As for the original question.. F2P becoming P2P? Ofcourse not. Jagex needs income. They ain't getting it from distributing their game for free. Jagex will always need to find the incentive for people to continue to play the game. Just as they need to keep people playing F2P, so that hopefully, one day those players will start paying for RS.

[Orioles8]

Just an interesting tidbit on this topic and the changing Jagex attitude towards f2p... does anyone else remember the Duel Arena riots during the rs2 beta? For those who aren't fossils like myself, I'll recap: A post regarding content implied that f2p'ers (who were then helping with the rs2 open beta) would be able to accesss the duel arena. This turned out to not be the case, and resulted in a largescale riot at the al kahrid duel arena, with at least two (possibly more) JMods present attempting to calm the issue. The wording of the post was cleared up, and alongside that we were assured by jagex that, to paraphrase, DUELLING HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRAWS TO P2P. WE WILL NOT BE MAKING IT F2P. Yeah... umm gf jagex.

[perfetc]

Just an interesting tidbit on this topic and the changing Jagex attitude towards f2p... does anyone else remember the Duel Arena riots during the rs2 beta? For those who aren't fossils like myself, I'll recap: A post regarding content implied that f2p'ers (who were then helping with the rs2 open beta) would be able to accesss the duel arena. This turned out to not be the case, and resulted in a largescale riot at the al kahrid duel arena, with at least two (possibly more) JMods present attempting to calm the issue. The wording of the post was cleared up, and alongside that we were assured by jagex that, to paraphrase, DUELLING HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRAWS TO P2P. WE WILL NOT BE MAKING IT F2P. Yeah... umm gf jagex.

 

 

 

So they dont release it you "riot", They release it a number of years later and you tell them to "gf".

 

 

 

They can't win.

 

 

 

I am not 100% sure when rs2 was released but say it was released in 2000 it has almost been a decade since that was said! People can change there mind.

[Orioles8]

Just an interesting tidbit on this topic and the changing Jagex attitude towards f2p... does anyone else remember the Duel Arena riots during the rs2 beta? For those who aren't fossils like myself, I'll recap: A post regarding content implied that f2p'ers (who were then helping with the rs2 open beta) would be able to accesss the duel arena. This turned out to not be the case, and resulted in a largescale riot at the al kahrid duel arena, with at least two (possibly more) JMods present attempting to calm the issue. The wording of the post was cleared up, and alongside that we were assured by jagex that, to paraphrase, DUELLING HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRAWS TO P2P. WE WILL NOT BE MAKING IT F2P. Yeah... umm gf jagex.

 

 

 

So they dont release it you "riot", They release it a number of years later and you tell them to "gf".

 

 

 

They can't win.

 

 

 

I am not 100% sure when rs2 was released but say it was released in 2000 it has almost been a decade since that was said! People can change there mind.

 

 

 

RS2 was released in 2003, but that is beside the point. I wasn't trying to call out Jagex, simply to demonstrate a trend of features that were once established solely as the domain of members are slowly but surely headed in the f2p direction.