F2P, is it becoming P2P?

[Sir_Kurity]

F2p god spells would make sense.

[perfetc]

Lets Keep it simple. F2P want updates because they feel they contribute to Jagex more than P2P which is an obvious lie, and the P2P agreement is plain and obvious, you want to play the whole game, than you must pay. Runescape F2P is simply put, a nonending DEMO. and they should be thankful for that!

 

 

 

I don't think any body has implied "F2P want updates because they feel they contribute to Jagex more than P2P".

 

 

 

"Runescape F2P is simply put, a nonending DEMO." Firstly f2p has been said many times isn't a demo. Secondly, surely when a f2p gets 99 in all skills he will have completed f2p cos by the time you have 99 mining, fishing, woodcutting and the combat skills (even at level 3 you can kill cows tan there hides and sell them on the ge) you can afford to buy anything f2p like rune (t) and Rune (g). Even if you include mini games and pvp you are going to get bored after awhile.

 

 

 

Even jagex say theres 15,000 hours of free gameplay, which is ALOT but its still ending.

[ibxtoycat]

Lets Keep it simple. F2P want updates because they feel they contribute to Jagex more than P2P which is an obvious lie, and the P2P agreement is plain and obvious, you want to play the whole game, than you must pay. Runescape F2P is simply put, a nonending DEMO. and they should be thankful for that!

 

 

 

I don't think any body has implied "F2P want updates because they feel they contribute to Jagex more than P2P".

 

 

 

"Runescape F2P is simply put, a nonending DEMO." Firstly f2p has been said many times isn't a demo. Secondly, surely when a f2p gets 99 in all skills he will have completed f2p cos by the time you have 99 mining, fishing, woodcutting and the combat skills (even at level 3 you can kill cows tan there hides and sell them on the ge) you can afford to buy anything f2p like rune (t) and Rune (g). Even if you include mini games and pvp you are going to get bored after awhile.

 

 

 

Even jagex say theres 15,000 hours of free gameplay, which is ALOT but its still ending.

 

No RPG has any set ammount of gameplay, 15000 hours of gameplay is just finishing all the quests and all 99 skills.

 

 

 

However thats excluding the extra value most/some people get from a game when they "finish" it, eg, going around showing off your 99's, playing minigames with your insane stats, etc.

 

 

 

Therefore F2P is nearly endless, as 15,000 hours in the first place is 2 years anyway :o

 

 

 

Btw i think skill capes should be F2P items obtainable on members servers, like Maple logs

[perfetc]

Lets Keep it simple. F2P want updates because they feel they contribute to Jagex more than P2P which is an obvious lie, and the P2P agreement is plain and obvious, you want to play the whole game, than you must pay. Runescape F2P is simply put, a nonending DEMO. and they should be thankful for that!

 

 

 

I don't think any body has implied "F2P want updates because they feel they contribute to Jagex more than P2P".

 

 

 

"Runescape F2P is simply put, a nonending DEMO." Firstly f2p has been said many times isn't a demo. Secondly, surely when a f2p gets 99 in all skills he will have completed f2p cos by the time you have 99 mining, fishing, woodcutting and the combat skills (even at level 3 you can kill cows tan there hides and sell them on the ge) you can afford to buy anything f2p like rune (t) and Rune (g). Even if you include mini games and pvp you are going to get bored after awhile.

 

 

 

Even jagex say theres 15,000 hours of free gameplay, which is ALOT but its still ending.

 

No RPG has any set ammount of gameplay, 15000 hours of gameplay is just finishing all the quests and all 99 skills.

 

 

 

However thats excluding the extra value most/some people get from a game when they "finish" it, eg, going around showing off your 99's, playing minigames with your insane stats, etc.

 

 

 

Therefore F2P is nearly endless, as 15,000 hours in the first place is 2 years anyway :o

 

 

 

Btw i think skill capes should be F2P items obtainable on members servers, like Maple logs

 

 

 

Theres only so much time you can play mini games (cos the fun can quickly wear off and its not like you need the exp) and showing off can only last an hour or 2.

 

 

 

2 years is nothing, Ive had my account over 4 years.

 

 

 

I think they should get skill capes but maples? Why? It just means moving or making a whole bunch of new maple trees and if you do that were do you put them?

[Balazeal]

Btw i think skill capes should be F2P items obtainable on members servers, like Maple logs

I think they should get skill capes but maples? Why? It just means moving or making a whole bunch of new maple trees and if you do that were do you put them?

 

 

 

ibxtoycat did not say maples should be F2P. ibxtoycat said that Skillcapes should be F2P in a similar manner to that of the maple logs; obtainable only in P2P, but usable in F2P.

[perfetc]

Btw i think skill capes should be F2P items obtainable on members servers, like Maple logs

I think they should get skill capes but maples? Why? It just means moving or making a whole bunch of new maple trees and if you do that were do you put them?

 

 

 

ibxtoycat did not say maples should be F2P. ibxtoycat said that Skillcapes should be F2P in a similar manner to that of the maple logs; obtainable only in P2P, but usable in F2P.

 

 

 

Oh ok, sorry.

 

 

 

That couldnt work though. Think of the pvp problems, members would have an advantage over f2p.

[ibxtoycat]

Do F2P not have a similar (buyable) cape? I'm not really an expert on combat/armours

 

 

 

Simple Solution (which i know jagex wont do, but still) would be to add a cape with similar stats to F2P, perhaps Costing a few mil? (to balance P2P)

[Sir_Kurity]

Just make the skillcapes statless in f2p.

 

 

 

Not that the defence is that much anyway....

[perfetc]

Just make the skillcapes statless in f2p.

 

 

 

Not that the defence is that much anyway....

 

 

 

Why mess around with frankly crap stats (there the same as obby capes)?

 

 

 

It just seems so petty, we dont have to always have better things than f2p like armour from bronze to rune are exactly the same in f2p as p2p.

[quelmotz]

2 years is nothing, Ive had my account over 4 years.

 

 

 

 

That's two years of 24/7 playing.

 

 

 

I doubt you really spent 4 years playing 24/7. :?

[perfetc]

2 years is nothing, Ive had my account over 4 years.

 

 

 

 

That's two years of 24/7 playing.

 

 

 

I doubt you really spent 4 years playing 24/7. :?

 

 

 

 

 

Did I say Ive played for 4 years? Nope. I said I've had my account over 4 years (I played rsc aswell, not for long though)

[sees_all1]

I think I've complained as much as any other F2Per there is... or begged for updates and what not.

 

I'll try to keep my post to the point.

 

 

 

F2P, as jagex said, should be a game unto itself. That said, if something is broken, fix it.

 

As its been said many times, F2P mage is in DIRE need of an update. Past combat level 60, there is no longer a combat triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

There have been many discussions, arguments about how much revenue the F2P version generates for Jagex. Very simply it boils down to - If it wasn't profitable for Jagex to have a F2P version of Runescape, they wouldn't have it. Obviously the pay part will generate much more revenue, but the people at Jagex are some of the brightest in the Game industry. They know what they're doing.

 

 

 

 

 

Last point - If giving one small element of P2P to F2P ruins the "delicate" balance between the two, Jagex would not do it. F2Pers have been asking for lets say, teleblock. I never heard anyone say "Well now that F2P has teleblock, the game is complete for me so I don't have to be a member anymore."

[quelmotz]

2 years is nothing, Ive had my account over 4 years.

 

 

 

 

That's two years of 24/7 playing.

 

 

 

I doubt you really spent 4 years playing 24/7. :?

 

 

 

 

 

Did I say Ive played for 4 years? Nope. I said I've had my account over 4 years (I played rsc aswell, not for long though)

 

 

 

The 2 years that you mentioned was 2 years of straight out playing, whereas your 4 years are just off-and-on playing.

 

 

 

Entirely different matters. :roll:

[perfetc]

2 years is nothing, Ive had my account over 4 years.

 

 

 

 

That's two years of 24/7 playing.

 

 

 

I doubt you really spent 4 years playing 24/7. :?

 

 

 

 

 

Did I say Ive played for 4 years? Nope. I said I've had my account over 4 years (I played rsc aswell, not for long though)

 

 

 

The 2 years that you mentioned was 2 years of straight out playing, whereas your 4 years are just off-and-on playing.

 

 

 

Entirely different matters. :roll:

 

 

 

Have you been stalking me? I assume not so how do you know anything I do? The answer is you don't so you can't say anything or roll your eyes at me.

 

 

 

Your assuming the things I have done which is just stupid cos who the hell can stay awake 24/7 for 2 years ... from what I have ehard the world record is 11 days without sleep.

 

 

 

Some people defy logic ....

 

 

 

I dont want to get in to an argument but making assumptions like that just doesn't make you look to smart.

[quelmotz]

No RPG has any set ammount of gameplay, 15000 hours of gameplay is just finishing all the quests and all 99 skills.

 

 

 

However thats excluding the extra value most/some people get from a game when they "finish" it, eg, going around showing off your 99's, playing minigames with your insane stats, etc.

 

 

 

Therefore F2P is nearly endless, as 15,000 hours in the first place is 2 years anyway :o

 

 

 

Btw i think skill capes should be F2P items obtainable on members servers, like Maple logs

 

 

 

This is what you were replying to, right?

 

 

 

So answer me - was this person referring to ~15000 hours in time (2 years) or 2 years in playing time.

 

 

 

Seriously, your reading skills are horrible.

[perfetc]

Either you misunderstood me or I misunderstood something else lmao

 

 

 

Some how it got on to how long I've been playing then I thought you were saying I was playing for 2 years 24/7

[nerdboyxxx]

I reckon that f2p deserve some updates. They have been basically forgotten until about a year ago. Mod MMG will keep the balance between f2p and p2p updates so that p2p get more, but f2p will still get some.

[nofinka]

While I don't worry about p2p being pushed aside by f2p, I am slightly worried about how much Jagex is currently catering for f2p.

 

 

 

It is kind of fuelling their egos.

 

 

 

I am a free player, and as a free player, you tend to hear a lot of rumours. Two of the big ones being discussed these days is that

 

 

 

1. Skillcapes will become f2p (Free to play skills only, I love to joke with the way people put it and say that construction will be first skillcape released to f2p)

 

 

 

2. There is a skill in the works that will be f2p.

 

 

 

I have 2 99 skills and I admit, I would love a skillcape, however if Jagex were to make it available in f2p, I would not purchase one as while f2p may "Work Harder" for their achievements, we do not neccessarily need skillcapes to show off. We have quick chat. Also a lot of this time, the debate is pushed forth by free players who are either quite close to their first 99 skill or players that don't have the 99 skills. I have heard from fellow free players with multiple 99 skills that they do not care whether or not skillcapes are f2p, further going on to say that we don't need or deserve them.

 

 

 

As for the new skill. Cool, I am not going to say f2p needs a new skill but it is nice to get one. Nothing else said there.

 

 

 

With these two rumors out there and many other updates that have released p2p content to f2p, I am worried about Jagex catering to much for f2p and submitting to the ruder and more immature and impatient f2p player base.

 

It must be remembered though, Runescape is Jagex's game, not ours, we are just lucky to play it and Jagex may do whatever they wish to do with their game whether we like it or not.

 

 

 

Sorry this is so poorly structured and written and deters from the topic in a major way.

[Troacctid]

While I don't worry about p2p being pushed aside by f2p, I am slightly worried about how much Jagex is currently catering for f2p.

 

 

 

It is kind of fuelling their egos.

 

 

 

I am a free player, and as a free player, you tend to hear a lot of rumours. Two of the big ones being discussed these days is that

 

 

 

1. Skillcapes will become f2p (Free to play skills only, I love to joke with the way people put it and say that construction will be first skillcape released to f2p)

 

 

 

2. There is a skill in the works that will be f2p.

 

 

 

I have 2 99 skills and I admit, I would love a skillcape, however if Jagex were to make it available in f2p, I would not purchase one as while f2p may "Work Harder" for their achievements, we do not neccessarily need skillcapes to show off. We have quick chat. Also a lot of this time, the debate is pushed forth by free players who are either quite close to their first 99 skill or players that don't have the 99 skills. I have heard from fellow free players with multiple 99 skills that they do not care whether or not skillcapes are f2p, further going on to say that we don't need or deserve them.

 

 

 

As for the new skill. Cool, I am not going to say f2p needs a new skill but it is nice to get one. Nothing else said there.

 

 

 

With these two rumors out there and many other updates that have released p2p content to f2p, I am worried about Jagex catering to much for f2p and submitting to the ruder and more immature and impatient f2p player base.

 

It must be remembered though, Runescape is Jagex's game, not ours, we are just lucky to play it and Jagex may do whatever they wish to do with their game whether we like it or not.

 

 

 

Sorry this is so poorly structured and written and deters from the topic in a major way.

 

Those rumors are pretty well-substantiated. Mod MMG said in an interview that they were working on a new skill that would be available in f2p, and when asked in his clan chat if skillcapes would be f2p, he said "Yes I expect so." Source, source.

[quelmotz]

While I don't worry about p2p being pushed aside by f2p, I am slightly worried about how much Jagex is currently catering for f2p.

 

 

 

It is kind of fuelling their egos.

 

 

 

I am a free player, and as a free player, you tend to hear a lot of rumours. Two of the big ones being discussed these days is that

 

 

 

1. Skillcapes will become f2p (Free to play skills only, I love to joke with the way people put it and say that construction will be first skillcape released to f2p)

 

 

 

2. There is a skill in the works that will be f2p.

 

 

 

I have 2 99 skills and I admit, I would love a skillcape, however if Jagex were to make it available in f2p, I would not purchase one as while f2p may "Work Harder" for their achievements, we do not neccessarily need skillcapes to show off. We have quick chat. Also a lot of this time, the debate is pushed forth by free players who are either quite close to their first 99 skill or players that don't have the 99 skills. I have heard from fellow free players with multiple 99 skills that they do not care whether or not skillcapes are f2p, further going on to say that we don't need or deserve them.

 

 

 

As for the new skill. Cool, I am not going to say f2p needs a new skill but it is nice to get one. Nothing else said there.

 

 

 

With these two rumors out there and many other updates that have released p2p content to f2p, I am worried about Jagex catering to much for f2p and submitting to the ruder and more immature and impatient f2p player base.

 

It must be remembered though, Runescape is Jagex's game, not ours, we are just lucky to play it and Jagex may do whatever they wish to do with their game whether we like it or not.

 

 

 

Sorry this is so poorly structured and written and deters from the topic in a major way.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with Jagex catering a little more to f2p IMO. They've been neglected for years. What harm can one skill do? Or a bunch of skillcapes for that matter? Seriously. Its those selfish and snobby members who can't bear to give f2p a tiny, puny piece of p2p or something new.

 

 

 

I couldn't care less if Jagex doesn't update f2p, I'll just pass my time on the tip.it forums.

[mining4none]

why are you p2pers agains giving f2p a little lean way i mean its not like u dont get better everything i mean you can tell f2p armours and skilling atiems and skilling spots totaly pwn all p2p spots i mean on almost every world i see 5 to 10 people in drayner wcing willows how many do you see in p2p hacking away at willows in draynor not many i can tell you that seing how as i got a p2p and f2p acount i mean in one post i seen a guy say all that f2p deserves is deletion but as jagex states members is just an expansion pack to the game and f2p is the game not a never ending demo as is stated in this some were ide like to see some better skilling spots in f2p and a hell of a lot less members complaining there [wagon] off that we get a new up date every 3 years

 

 

 

ps i know my gramar sucks so dont say anything

[OldDucky]

If F2P gets these features, and F2P turns P2P.... Leave Members and stop wasting money.

[Mico]

Skillcapes won' t be a big improvement for F2P. Mostly you' ll see combat skill capes in my oppinion, or woodcutting and fishing ones. I personally wouldn' t mind a skillcape, they look awesome :D .

 

 

 

I don' t know what' s so bad with F2P getting new items (or a skill), members will always have the much upgraded version and you still strive to have it. I mean we' ll probably have some areas open on that skill, but it will be mostly P2P so people will long for P2P just to complete the skill. So more members for Jagex. IMHO that is.

 

 

 

Nice market trick :

[Seabourch]

New skill for f2p and skillcapes f2p? Well that is good enough for me. Now IMO, if Jagex were to give f2p some left over p2p stuff I wouldn't mind that.

[Zaaps1]

Well, MA did turn out p2p only.

 

 

 

All those PvP updates you can't count because they were to replace the old wilderness which was TAKEN from f2p.

 

 

 

I believe f2p provides 7% of Jagex's income, so therefore shouldn't they get 7% of updates?