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[Seraphi]

Mather, we will never be using stargates.

Just give up on them.

[The_Mather1]

-Wormholes are physically possible.

-They can also be made artifically.

-I know of one exotic matter which could be used as a stabilizer.

-They require only 112 887 160 294 992 watts of power(aprox 113 terrawatt).

-That ammount of power is available to me as to be generated by small devices January 5th.

-The owner of the planet each gate is to be housed on can himself chose if and where it shall be situated.

-All matter coming through the gate(including the unstable vortex that comeseach time the gate is activated) can be blocked by a barrier of "any" kind placed within micrometers of the event horizon.

-They are one-way, an incoming wormhole cannot be traveled through with an exeption for radiation(such as radio waves), outgoing wormholes however can be used.

-The DHD(dial-home-device) that comes with the gate can be replaced by some sort of advanced remote controll or dialing computer.

-Gates can also be dialed by manually turning the inner ring.

 

Fine, 2000(5 and a half real life years) years time you can build them, they will then take 90 million PP each. I believe that was something like how long it took the ancients to research them...Research cannot be sped up by anything, even random events.

Also all wormholes will be on the star trek model, except that the gates anchor them. This means that matter can travel both ways, the wormhole will remain active for some years and violently explode when it has finished, it will also be non-instantaneous and will kick out lethal doses of radiation so cannot be transverse by single humans, but instead requires space ship transports. It cannot be blocked by any known method, but if the 'gate' is turned off at one end then wormhole will destabilize...sort of like a loose hosepipe...spraying its contents over the system and surrounding space. If two wormholes collide they will form a net, which is twice as hard to navigate but leads to 3 or 4 different locations. This can be cumulative, effectively linking all of space, but navigating this would be neigh impossible. Powerful explosions inside the wormhole will cauterize the link, turning the wormhole into a cul-de-sac.

Actually the gates were developed during Janus lifetime as he made both the system itself and the milkyway design(second/third design).

And why should wormholes be based on another show when the stargate version is mouch closer to what scientists believe to be their actuall behavior.

 

Why are you guys so mouch against stargates when they are benificial to all of us?

[Seraphi]

Because instant travel is overpowered!

If we can warp people across vast distances, what is the point of spacecraft.

[The_Mather1]

They are only 6.7 meters wide and they can be blocked with ease, spacecrafts are still a neccesity.

[Seraphi]

Mather, we already agreed that we would not be using stargates. Now for the last time, give up.

[Wisp]

It's largest projectile is 100 tons, a 166 cubic foot solid tungsten shot.

The math for that indicates you need thrusters which are 200,000 times as powerful as ones that can move you up to light speed instantly. Basically the recoil is 6^13 Joules...so about the same as the Hiroshima bomb.

Hmm, what speed were you saying the projectile is fired at? I'm sure I could fire it at a lower speed if necessary. But wait, how does that work? Speed of light is around 300k km/s, so if I'm accelerating a ship that's 160 thousand tons to the speed of light instantly, that's a lot more powerful than something that moves 100 tons to X speed over a tenth of a second or so.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that no, it hasn't. No randomly discovering things, especially those that are completely stupid, and probably violate heisenburg's uncertainty principle.

Despite the fact that Doom invokes the HUP just about every time anything happens I agree that it isn't gonna happen.

I do love me some HUP.

[The Dark Lord]

Archi, anymore news about the aliens?

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(Note, never trust the person sitting next to you to check your math, I went wildly wrong)

 

Hmm, what speed were you saying the projectile is fired at? I'm sure I could fire it at a lower speed if necessary. But wait, how does that work? Speed of light is around 300 km/s, so if I'm accelerating a ship that's 160 thousand tons to the speed of light instantly, that's a lot more powerful than something that moves 100 tons to X speed over a tenth of a second or so.

8 Times the speed of sound, railgun standard.

 

1 N = 1 Kg*M/s2

 

So 1 second squared is 1.

Kg is 100,000.

Meters is 24,000 m

 

Therefore 100,000*24,000 = 2,400,000,000 Newtons. Which is the same as 2.4 Billion joules.(Or 2.4 Giga-Joules(This is not the energy requirement, this is the work done))

The long and the short of it is that it would develop 15 meters per second of backwards thrust.

 

And why should wormholes be based on another show when the stargate version is mouch closer to what scientists believe to be their actuall behavior.

Somehow I doubt that the joke of a series(as they themselves describe it) that is Stargate would be more scientifically accurate than Star Trek.

Further the Star Trek Wormholes have not been used in the past to generate massive empires....

Also the notion that space is one way is complete fiction which CANNOT have a basis in reality.... For example 'I am going to fold this sheet of paper over and create a wormhole between these two points, but if I make the hole and then put the pin though the wrong way it be destroyed.'

The idea of a material that disobeys the laws of thermodynamics is stupid and if I had my way Naquahdah would be banned as a super weapon.

The idea that by building a big superconductor, which seems to be mainly hollow and mainly for show, will somehow open wormholes is completely unrealistic. Also Naquahdah is not an exotic element which magically stabilizes wormholes because a 1 time wormhole was build on Earth without access to the wonder material. So clearly a star gate is just a big superconductor which blasts a whole in space... More akin to Intra-Dimentional Fatigue. Which would wreck your genes, making them brittle. as well as gradually collapsing the universe as it comes to look more and more like swiss cheese.

For these reasons and many more Stargate is a failure when it comes to wormholes. So either begin your 5 RL years research into Star Trek Wormholes.

 

Oh and to end the debate: Your scientists discover that trying to blow a hole though space actually is possible! However anything sent though it turned into hard radiation which spews out the other side. Your scientists tell you that you can use this as weapon, provided the other side has a stargate too. Stargate, Away!

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Still on course for Sinabo, Alpha Centuri, Reccea Demicus and Sephar.

[Hedgehog]

Hi there, I hope you realize that I'm still playing and just trying to stay a peaceful planet here, so if you would respect that; it would be nice. Thank you very much.

 

 

And let's just assume that I now have all of my planets and bases back.

[Guest Mrmegakirby]

[hide=Stats for Yexenus]

 

Overall:

Gdp: 1.2T

Population: 744 million)

Growth Rate: 8% per year

 

Weapon Research:

YO15 Virus: 48 years (Complete, may research occasionaly)

YO15R Virus: 48 years (Complete, may research occasionaly)

YN26 virus: 7/30

YNT8 virus: 5/30

Note: Viruses can be deployed earlier, but will have weekend stats.

 

Space Ships/Production stations

Current amount of floating stations: 40

Current production points: 8000/year

 

Current space fleet:

Standerd Transportation Units: 80 (+0/Y)

3200: fighters (+1200/Y [1200 points])

200: battle ships (+180/Y [1800 points)

18: heavy battle ships (+10/Y[1000 points)

11: super heavy battle ship (+1/Y[1000 points])

2: ultra heavy battle ships (+1/Y[2000 points)

1 flagships (+0.1/Y[1000 points])

 

Budget:

(GPD: 1.2T)

Bio-warfare research: 10b

Army: 15B

Public services (Including healthcare): 75B

Building ships/Production stations: 1.1T

Current money saved-up: 3T

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How many floating space production stations is it reasonable to have at once?

[archimage_a]

As many as your empire can reasonably sustain. Try using my alpha method, see if it works, at all. =P

[Nero]

My fleet is pulling back, but transports have been sent to evac all but the most die-hard colonists from the Federation's planets in the Sinabo system.

 

Until someone gets rolling an alliance to deal with the alien invaders I won't throw my hat into this conflict, as I'd just be wasting ships. So, PM me when everyone is on the same page about dealing with this threat.

 

Production on new ships continues.

[Grim_]

The sinabo system is being evacted by all of my super carriers (round 40 so that is several million people ) Strange matter mines are being set up inside said system so when the fleet comes they will have a significant loss of life.

[Wisp]

Dusty, get on IRC?

[archimage_a]

Sigh....

If Dusty will cover Meoxo and Sere/Ross can cover Ema Quartus, and you all cover Sinabo, then I will guarentee Adrigas and Imezon.

Then we all line that perimeter and try to hold them back. If Sinabo and two other systems are taken then all guarantees are void and I am in it for myself.

Each dot is worth 10 Caravels. All of the fleets not near a system or near Reccea Demicus contain 1 capital Caravel.

 

If Dusty or Sere/Ross refuse then I am also in it for myself. Since I can deploy my fleet within 2 turns I am deploying my fleet now(with the capacity to intercept enroute), but if I do not get confirmation and deployment with the next 24 hours then I will let the Urk-Orz pass unchallenged.

 

The 'Alliance' will be called the Concert of Solaris and will be on a similar set up to the Concert of Europe, if it works.

[Wisp]

For the record, I should atleast have a little circle around Yena. Seeing as I control a planet there, and have a fleet there.

[archimage_a]

The point is that you are not a major power in to Sol sector...You are like America to Europe...your Empire is vastly powerful but it is too far away to be of much use in most things.

[Nero]

If their fleet is as large as you say it is Arch, then there's no way we can hold this giant solar-system spanning defensive line, since we don't have the ships for that.

[archimage_a]

I agree. But since, if you are not slowing down, you can engage anywhere inside 50 light years in the same turn its more areas of protection and where the ships are stationkeeping. As long as your ships are in warp they are fine.

[The Dark Lord]

So you want me to hold the line with... Caravels? I'm not sure how much that'd help things (other than piss them off), but ok.

 

Do you want me to cloak any more systems?

[archimage_a]

In truth, since no one keeps me updated, I have no idea how many ships are available. I think it is fairly safe to assume that I dwarf everyone except Doom, to whom I am on a similar pegging.

[Nero]

In truth, since no one keeps me updated, I have no idea how many ships are available. I think it is fairly safe to assume that I dwarf everyone except Doom, to whom I am on a similar pegging.

Um. No.

 

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And Sere how the hell do you "cloak" a system?

[archimage_a]

Well being that Doom is the only person to send me any fleet specs for the map no one, officially, has a fleet. New Russia also doesn't officially exist because I still have no co-ordinance for it.

[Nero]

Well being that Doom is the only person to send me any fleet specs for the map no one, officially, has a fleet. New Russia also doesn't officially exist because I still have no co-ordinance for it.

Doesn't really matter if something doesn't "officially" exist (since when is your word official anyways?), it exists.