Gangs

[Dizzle229]

Ah, gangs. An incredibly frustrating problem, at least in America and probably in other countries. I come from a town that was infested with the scum, and moved because of it. This thread isn't asking what you think of gangs because I know the answer will be almost universally against them, but rather, how do you think they should be dealt with? Of course, if you do have a pro-gang opinion in one form or another, it would be interesting to hear that as well.

 

 

 

It's frustrating for me because in our legal system, being in a gang does not warrant an arrest, you need to commit a crime first. I think that being in a gang in the first place should be a crime. Many times the police know who they are when they see them on the streets, but until they have evidence, the individual gang member cannot be arrested.

 

 

 

Personally my method would be this: If we know you are in a gang, you will be arrested on sight. If a confirmed gang member resists arrest, they would be shot dead on the spot.

 

 

 

Of course, this is very extreme and it would never work in a modern developed nation, but to the point of the thread, what is your opinion on gangs and how should they be dealt with?

[Nadril]

It's not a crime to join a group. Making laws such as arresting members just for being in a gang is a terrible, and downward, slope.

 

 

 

We don't really have any gangs, at least that I come in contact with, in Kansas. So I can't really offer much input here.

[Dizzle229]

It's not a crime to join a group. Making laws such as arresting members just for being in a gang is a terrible, and downward, slope.

 

 

 

Ah, for the smaller groups, but what about bigger, more aggressive gangs?

 

They're all criminals in those.

[Giordano]

Some groups should be illegal to join. Our freedom is limited: an American cannot join Al Queda nor make death threats against government officials. And I agree, all known members of certain groups, gangs, should get arrested and/or shot.

[Nadril]

I'm just saying that, legally speaking, it'd be very easy to bend that sort of law for other uses. Even if your intentions are good I don't think that kind of law would be a good thing.

[Giordano]

Unfortunately so, but I'll take that risk.

[Amaranth_GTO]

Gangs... Plenty of them around where I live. The problem with your idea is that it would be very hard to determine what constitutes a gang. I know it's easy to think, but writing it up into a law would be almost impossible. It would be one great law though.

 

 

 

Personally I think the best way to deal with it would be to carpet-bomb all gang territory, but that won't happen. The other solution is to stop gangs at their source. Most gangs deal drugs. So if you could get rid of all the drug users, and stop drugs from entering the country, gangs would start to dissipate.

[Giordano]

 

Personally I think the best way to deal with it would be to carpet-bomb all gang territory, but that won't happen. The other solution is to stop gangs at their source. Most gangs deal drugs. So if you could get rid of all the drug users, and stop drugs from entering the country, gangs would start to dissipate.

 

Carpet bombing? What the [bleep] are you smoking? Innocent people live in their neighborhoods too. You're the perfect example: would you like planes bombing your house because gangs lived nearby? Seriously!?

[Dizzle229]

It's not a crime to join a group. Making laws such as arresting members just for being in a gang is a terrible, and downward, slope.

 

 

 

Ah, for the smaller groups, but what about bigger, more aggressive gangs?

 

They're all criminals in those.

 

Here in America we have this thing called the justice system. In the justice system you are innocent until proven guilty. Sounds like you've been wronged by a gang at some point...

 

 

 

Thousands of people have. That's why gangs need to be, for lack of a better word, exterminated. In this hypothetical law, it would be understood that by joining a gang, you are showing intent to commit crimes. The only trouble is, as was mentioned, what constitutes a gang.

[gauper_kid]

Gangs... Plenty of them around where I live. The problem with your idea is that it would be very hard to determine what constitutes a gang. I know it's easy to think, but writing it up into a law would be almost impossible. It would be one great law though.

 

 

 

Personally I think the best way to deal with it would be to carpet-bomb all gang territory, but that won't happen. The other solution is to stop gangs at their source. Most gangs deal drugs. So if you could get rid of all the drug users, and stop drugs from entering the country, gangs would start to dissipate.

 

They're already trying to do those things, but there's still gangs.

[Zierro]

I've heard that some people are pretty much forced into gangs for protection. Not that I'd condone it, but if that is true then I can definitely see where they're coming from. But then again, a ton of people join just to be cool and have a reputation, which is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

 

 

 

As for dealing with them, I'm torn. I do think some groups should be arrested. For example, in that South Park where they formed a committee of old men raping little boys. It's pretty obvious what they do and police should prevent it before it even happens. On the other hand, if a gang is just having a party together or something, what crime are they committing? You can't be sure what crime they would have committed in order to give a reasonable punishment, and you can't even be sure that they would have committed a crime at all.

[nerdboyxxx]

Gangs in Australia aren't as bad as in America, but they ae still a worry. We have tightened our belts with some heavy laws regarding bikie gangs, but youth gangs, big-time crime gangs and beach gangs still remain a big problem. Ethnic gangs also. Focusing on one group isn't enough, they should encompass all types of gangs in the new laws we are introducing.

[Lateralus]

Gangs are a symptom. Fix social and economic inequality and they'll go away. As with just about everything, education is the answer.

 

 

 

Making it illegal just to be a gang member is a horrible idea. Essentially you would be convicting people of thought crime.

[Kriegsmier]

Lets define these gangs as "Street Gangs". The local sheriff's dept defines a street gang as: "A street gang is a group or association of three or more persons who may have a common identifying sign, symbol or name, and who individually or collectively engage in, or have engaged in, criminal activity, or as a juvenile commits an act that if committed by an adult would be a criminal act."

 

 

 

I think the best way is to hit the kids early, teach them, educate them. Along with that, step up police patrols in troubled areas. A police presence is enough to deter in most cases. These don't have to be stop and frisk type of patrols. Meet and greets do wonders. Officers need to get to know the kids in the neighborhood and build a working relationship with them. All these kids see is cops that want to put them in jail and are out to get them. Put more school resource officers into schools. My freshman year in highschool my school was saturated with gangs. They got a school resource officer, incidents went down. By my senior year they put a police substation in the parking lot of my school, hardly any violence in school and the surrounding neighborhoods.

 

 

 

You also need citizens to step and oust them from the area. Its very possible to do this. Gangs thrive on their neighborhoods, what if the neighborhood wanted them out?

[deathdrow]

gangs are bad. mmkay. don't be in gangs.

[stevepole]

I love when people stereotype on a massive scale.. :roll: (waiting for the angry replies.. "I did not!").. How have gangs affected your life? did they do anything to change the way you live? Why do you have such a negative opinion of gangs?

[Lenin64]

It's not a crime to join a group. Making laws such as arresting members just for being in a gang is a terrible, and downward, slope.

 

 

 

Ah, for the smaller groups, but what about bigger, more aggressive gangs?

 

They're all criminals in those.

 

Here in America we have this thing called the justice system. In the justice system you are innocent until proven guilty. Sounds like you've been wronged by a gang at some point...

 

 

 

Thousands of people have. That's why gangs need to be, for lack of a better word, exterminated. In this hypothetical law, it would be understood that by joining a gang, you are showing intent to commit crimes. The only trouble is, as was mentioned, what constitutes a gang.

 

Thousands of people have been wronged bu the IRS. Does that mean it needs to be exterminated?

 

 

 

Trying to eliminate gangs by banning them is like giving drugs that treat the fever, but not the flu. There's still a possibly life-threatening issue.

[nerdboyxxx]

I love when people stereotype on a massive scale.. :roll: (waiting for the angry replies.. "I did not!").. How have gangs affected your life? did they do anything to change the way you live? Why do you have such a negative opinion of gangs?

 

 

 

Why such a negative opinion of gangs? Maybe because my friend nearly got beaten to death by a group of them, thats why. They are scum, they are bad, and they hurt/bother innocent people. The worst part is most of them are bored teenagers. Well give them something to do in jail.

[Abc1230]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep]ed up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

[Zygimantas]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep] up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

No, just because they commit a lot of crimes is why they are wrong.

[Dizzle229]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep] up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

 

 

 

You are forgiven due to the epicness of your avatar. I'm not saying they're wrong because they're different, I'm saying they're wrong because they're goddam criminals. I'm talking about real gangs here, not aggressive sewing circles and treehouse clubs.

[Abc1230]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep] up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

No, just because they commit a lot of crimes is why they are wrong.

 

A gang is a group of people. "Hey guys, do you wan-" *gunshot* (You were killed for being in a gang.)

[stevepole]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep] up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

No, just because they commit a lot of crimes is why they are wrong.

 

 

 

What crimes? You don't see or read a whole lot about gang related crimes in your local newspaper or local news program.

 

 

 

Why such a negative opinion of gangs? Maybe because my friend nearly got beaten to death by a group of them, thats why. They are scum, they are bad, and they hurt/bother innocent people. The worst part is most of them are bored teenagers. Well give them something to do in jail.

 

 

 

Was this an actual gang or just a group of kids at your school who beat him up who you consider a gang? Did he or you call the police?

 

 

 

One reason why I think a lot of you have such negative opinions about gangs is because you all watch to much television.

[Dizzle229]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep] up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

No, just because they commit a lot of crimes is why they are wrong.

 

A gang is a group of people. "Hey guys, do you wan-" *gunshot* (You were killed for being in a gang.)

 

 

 

You know and everyone else knows what someone means when they talk about a gang.

[deathdrow]

To be honest, people like YOU make me sick. You think that just because somebody is different, they are wrong. The salvation army is a "gang". Should they be shot dead? The only group of people I can't stand is the kind that thinks they're better than everybody else. Unfortunately, this is 99% of America's population and is defenately a reason why we are so [bleep] up right now. Sorry about that, I got carried away.

No, just because they commit a lot of crimes is why they are wrong.

 

A gang is a group of people. "Hey guys, do you wan-" *gunshot* (You were killed for being in a gang.)

 

You're just being way too [bleep]ing technical, this thread is about gangs, to be more specific street gangs, the ones that have [bleep]ing wars between them and do illegal [cabbage] all the time.

 

I swear way too much.