Well of course. It's just that I remember someone was using 5% of their GDP, so I'm just wondering what everyone goes by, or if they just go with reasonableness.

That's what it used to be, so I was just asking. I'm not actually using 5%. I suppose you can use up to like 25% (or however much you tax), but you just have to make sure to account for everything necessary. (infrastructure, military if you have one, research, etc.)

I've never really used definite numbers for this kind of thing, but I try to make it reasonable. And as we've seen over and over, if something is unreasonable, everyone else will probably shoot it down.

Well of course. It's just that I remember someone was using 5% of their GDP, so I'm just wondering what everyone goes by, or if they just go with reasonableness.

20% of your GDP you get in taxes

20% of that you can spend on random stuff

 

 

So...4% of your GDP is available for spending.

 

Also, nobody wants my hugely booming industrial complex to mass produce them weapons/vehicles/aircraft/ships?

No need Dusty. It seems warfare doesn't work anyways. I can always make my ships in my hugely booming industrial complex. :P

 

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Oh, 4%? In which case...

 

Project Monarch Butterfly: 200 Billion

Company Subsidies: 10 Billion

Project Coccoon: 40 Billion

Reserves: 150 billion

4% was way too much last game, it's 1% this game (5% of taxes)

 

Dusty, I would, but I'd rather not spend money outside of SATO if I can help it.

4% was way too much last game, it's 1% this game (5% of taxes)

 

Dusty, I would, but I'd rather not spend money outside of SATO if I can help it.

Okay, vote. Who says the money available should be 1%? And who says 4%?

 

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*shrug*

Just don't be surprised when someone ends up invading another country with 50,000 tanks bearing the label 'Made in the Slavic Republic' on them.

I'm assuming you would support your respective positions, so would it be 1/1?

4% is too much, 1% is more realistic. It also means we won't be colonizing the stars anytime soon.

I'm not going to vote. I think we'll have to wait till tomorrow. Then you could post the reasons for whatever system you want, so we can be informed and have a good understanding of what you're positions are.

I'm assuming you would support your respective positions, so would it be 1/1?

I'm not voting yet. It doesn't matter either way to me.

 

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Reformation of the SR military is going on. Enlistment will last for 6 months for all personnel not deemed necessary (meaning everyone but high up officers and specialist positions, like pilots and radar technicians and the like). After 6 months their term will end and they will return to civilian work and life, and new recruits will be brought in. The military isn't raising the troop level, so infantry forces will remain at 9,000, naval at 3,000, and air force at 1,000. 13,000 in total.

I would rather it be 4% simply because I am more used to it (also we are a bit far away from ever going inter-stellar thanks to this 2:1 ratio). Also I kinda like having a bit more cash to use...

Dusty--

 

The Federation (US, Canada, and UK) would likely be interested in some production from the Slavic Republic, but we haven't decided yet.

Spain votes against admission into the Franco-German Empire.

 

Holland and the Netherlands come together in order to form the Dutch Republic.

 

(I'm not sure if it makes sense for Belgium and Luxembourg to either join the Dutch Republic or the Franco-German Empire.)

Holland is a province in the Netherlands, or am I forgetting geography?

Holland is a province in the Netherlands, or am I forgetting geography?

 

On the map, it appears to be separate. :unsure:

Holland is a province in the Netherlands, or am I forgetting geography?

 

On the map, it appears to be separate. :unsure:

Holland is the western part of the Netherlands.

 

Holland is a name in common usage given to a region in the western part of the Netherlands. The name 'Holland' is also often informally used to refer to the whole of the country of the Netherlands.

 

It would be like saying Canada and Quebec form together to make the Canadian Federation. Lol.

Japan asks around if all countries would be alright if they "snuck" into Thailand to make up for the lost Indonesian territory. Japan specifically asks Russia and the Serish Confederation.

 

Meanwhile, Japan builds 100 destroyers, if we're going by the 4% system. :P

 

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If most of the countries are okay with it, specifically Sere's and Russia, then annexing has begun.

I don't think there is a hard and fast method of working out how much money you can spend...but usually you can spend all the money you want inside your own borders, since it will eventually come back to you in taxes.

Course how long that will take is another matter.

I would say work out how much money you get in taxes, then minus your healthcare, police and all the other domestic stuff from that, then put any of the surplus into a treasury and spend the treasury when you see fit...As long as your Treasure doesn't contain more than a 9th of your countries wealth you should be fine. (If you do your people will see their living standards start to decline because of cash flow problems)

Spending money internationally is far more complicated, hence why I suggested using the Gold system. Foreign currencies are fine, as is silver.

Things like 'Aid' must be exact amounts in Silver, Gold or Currency. Using your own currency will permenantly take the money out of your system, so your countries wealth will decrease.

 

If people want me to help them work out their economic situation then do ask, every country is different so...

 

Anyway Switzerland gets increasingly Anti-South Africa and so begins extracting Gold from the country and cuts aid to 2 Billion a year. It also SECRETLY sends in special operatives to put down the rebels and such. Switzerland spends 6 Billion a year on forcing South Africa to Industrialise...The situation is not pleasent and there is certainly no love lost between Switzerland and South Africa.

Because of this happy event a number(4,000) of Swiss Volunteers depart for South Africa with the idea of 'fixing' the problems, by any means neccessary.

You can just simply print out more money, if you have a healthy growing economy. For example, Japan was suffering deflation for a while, so I just printed a few billion more Yen to fix it. As long as your economy keeps growing, more money should be printed to sustain that. Or else there will be larger companies beating each other up for a smaller pie.

 

The problem with gold is that some countries naturally start with more gold, like the United States, because they need to keep their currency really stable. However, countries like Japan don't need to rely on gold because their currency is designed to float more, and they are more export based. That's basically my only problem with gold standard, since you can only really trade up to 30 billion internationally.

Retech the economy is no where near as simple as 'Oh, problem, print money, solved :thumbup: '

If you print money then people who have savings lose their savings because suddenly their money is worth less.

As I believe I explained to you at the time.

 

The balance of trade needs to be worked out then, since you can't just go 'Well that doesn't work so I am going to ignore reality and spend, spend, spend.'

Well there's a problem when a currency's price goes up too much, as when it goes down. So when the price of the currency goes up, you print more money so that the individual piece of currency is worth the same as before, but you just have more currency. Then the people in savings still have the same amount of money, and their money is still worth the same, because you printed money to return the currency to the existing level.

 

Currency naturally goes up if supply stays level and demand goes up due to economic growth. So the amount of currency naturally expands over time.

 

Or we could ignore these obscure economic concepts and go with 1% or 4% of GDP.

So basically your plan to combat rising prices is to make things worth less? That isn't going to work because wages also rise, its called balance. You going around printing money destroys that balance and so wages do not increase, meaning people get demotivated because they have done the same job with no real increase in money...

In the real world the government stays out of the economy because it is self-correcting...Trying to help correct has almost always lead to it crashing.

 

 

The amount of currency does not increasing(or should not increase) over time because the currency is not based on anything, it is just bits of paper or coinage. As the economy expands the currency is moved around more and there may be increases to the currency based on the country aquiring more Gold.

 

Oh, as for the 'Can only trade 30 Billion internationally' do you think that might be a good thing? You know, not crashing your economy and all that. There is not a problem with the system, there is a problem with your premise....30 Billion is a massive figure.

Or we could ignore reality and screw up the game...again.

No, that's not what I meant. I meant the worth of the currency goes up. For example, the Yen is naturally around 100 Yen per dollar. If say, it moves to 80 Yen per dollar, then you print more currency to get it back to the old value. Then everything ends up at the same price again, and exports do not suffer because goods are too expensive. That's what real world governments do. America just never has to do it because it has a mainly inflationary trend, which is when the government tries buying back currency.

 

Also, thirty billion is only a fraction of my surplus (according to the 1% rule), so what do I do? Of course building my ships are almost free in your system because the company...is owned by me! Huzzah!

Why are we talking about this obscure thing, it doesn't actually matter.

Internally you can spend AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE, all you have to do is work out taxation and then take away the domestic services.

 

Printing money may very well sort your problem, but you cannot use it to produce any more goods than you would already be able to produce...So it doesn't matter if you have 5 yen or 50 billion yen, if the Yen is worth the same as 50 billion Yen then you get the same work done.

 

Remind you I live in Britian, not America.

 

 

Oh and Retech...How do you work out it is free? Does your company not pay wages, not have to buy raw materials and such? You confuse not making a profit with free...

Well it's quite simple. Worker wages come back to the government in taxation. Raw Materials are extracted by Japanese companies in South-East Asia, with their wages going back to the government. The only price there would be would be if we came to a raw material which is required to build the machines to get the raw materials out.

 

The second thing is true, but if the 5 yen was worth 5 normal yen, then it went up in price, and you printed 50 billion yen to make each yen worth the same as before, then you still have 50 billion normal yen. The savings of the people, let's say it is one yen, is still worth just as much as it was before and can buy the exact same goods as it could before. It's just that the government has 50 billion Yen. :thumbsup:

 

I was just bringing America as an example since I live there and I know plenty about it, considering I like bashing the presidents. :P

 

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That reminds me. If we implement your system, then Dusty won't be able to sell his industrial capacity well. :P