Ancient Curses Lacking?

[meb]

Biggest issue is animation lag. If they removed that I would use curses a lot lot more.

Combine it with a unicorn and Zilyana becomes a real pain in the [wagon]. Really annoying.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

From RS history, it is actually quite strange that curses are melee based. They should be magic based, since zaros=ancient magiks.

 

Also, most of the Mahjarrat are pathetic when it comes to melee combat -- Lucien has next to no ability to fight physically (I believe that one NPC called his attempts to use a sword "laughable"), and I would guess that most of the Mahjarrat are the same. They seem to rely too much on magic for the curses to be all based on melee.

 

Then again, it could be argued that the curses are melee based because Zaros's followers were so inept and needed the help.

 

This is likely to have come from another Mahjarrat, who when comparing Lucien's abilities to his own was laughable, but compared to a normal person, might have been devastating.

 

Also, for all intensive purposes it appears that the Ancient Magiks were for only a few people to use back then. Anyone having done Making/Metting History quests would know standard spells were around very, very early on.

 

And who is to say that the majoirty of Zaros' followers used Magic? It's never really been properly explained. Also while it's true that the Mahjarrat are heavily based on Magic, why do we assume they use prayers either? Maybe prayers don't affect them because of their race. You are making a big assumption there.

 

It was from the warrior guy in the ghostly robes miniquest. He was a mercenary who worked for Zamorak and when questioned about Lucian, he said he was better with a sword then him.

 

Yeah, you're right. Also though i believe he was no ordinary person and was an extremely able person to get the role of a bodyguard of Zamorak.

[TheAncient]

leech def + leech range > eagle eye

and in PVP leech def+attack+ strength pretty much negates their turmoil

 

+30% > - 10%...

 

Anyway, I think ancient curses are actually quite good for mages. The standard mage prayer only affects accuracy, not damage... and i'm pretty sure -10% opponent defense and +5% your attack is better than 15% to your attack

Plus soul split + barrage = yummy

 

The only combat class that got ignored is range, since the damage from +15% is much more substantial than +5%/-10%

[Soma2035]

Mage prayers only increase accurcy so I doubt many people care too much seeing as mage is only a secondary form of combat , but rangers could do with a 30% boost

 

Magic is not a secondary form of combat... I hate it when people say that.

 

Magic is, like it or not, a secondary form of combat. That's just what happens when magic is vastly inferior to melee and range. Barring quests, I can't remember the last time I've ever used magical attacks without bringing a melee or range weapon along...

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Mage prayers only increase accurcy so I doubt many people care too much seeing as mage is only a secondary form of combat , but rangers could do with a 30% boost

 

Magic is not a secondary form of combat... I hate it when people say that.

 

Magic is, like it or not, a secondary form of combat. That's just what happens when magic is vastly inferior to melee and range. Barring quests, I can't remember the last time I've ever used magical attacks without bringing a melee or range weapon along...

 

How long until we get weapons with a magical melee option? :P

[Soma2035]

Mage prayers only increase accurcy so I doubt many people care too much seeing as mage is only a secondary form of combat , but rangers could do with a 30% boost

 

Magic is not a secondary form of combat... I hate it when people say that.

 

Magic is, like it or not, a secondary form of combat. That's just what happens when magic is vastly inferior to melee and range. Barring quests, I can't remember the last time I've ever used magical attacks without bringing a melee or range weapon along...

 

How long until we get weapons with a magical melee option? :P

 

Does the Salamander count? =p

 

On a more serious note, one of the things I miss most from other RPGs is magical weapons. =(

[TheAncient]

Mage prayers only increase accurcy so I doubt many people care too much seeing as mage is only a secondary form of combat , but rangers could do with a 30% boost

 

Magic is not a secondary form of combat... I hate it when people say that.

 

Magic is, like it or not, a secondary form of combat. That's just what happens when magic is vastly inferior to melee and range. Barring quests, I can't remember the last time I've ever used magical attacks without bringing a melee or range weapon along...

 

then again, you mostly PvE and not PvP. if you clan warred or castle warred often, you would find plenty of capable mages.

 

mage IS pretty powerful as long as you know when and how to tank. mage's main weakness isn't power, it's defense.

magic is the most accurate form of combat; in terms of DPS against players i think it far outdamages even melee, assuming your opponent isn't in full karil/arma

[Bloodstain]

 

 

then again, you mostly PvE and not PvP. if you clan warred or castle warred often, you would find plenty of capable mages.

 

mage IS pretty powerful as long as you know when and how to tank. mage's main weakness isn't power, it's defense.

magic is the most accurate form of combat; in terms of DPS against players i think it far outdamages even melee, assuming your opponent isn't in full karil/arma

 

Yeah, but put that mage against a melee one on one, watch the melee put on dhide and tear up the mage. Mage's accuracy is also terribly dependent on the opponent's armour

[Duality64]

yes i think it would be good for mage and range both have something like turmoil

but one thing that bugs me as well is that some of the things are really high lvl and give less then normal prayer besides the protects, turmoil and soul split

but i do like that fact that there is a boost prayer but i think they should have made two of them for people that spend there money on prayer should have higher boost prayer that give maybe 25-35 or something like that

and i dont really like that there is not alot of prayer in the cured prayers aswell they should make more. or make a new quest that gives more or something like that

[LatinII]

Mage prayers only increase accurcy so I doubt many people care too much seeing as mage is only a secondary form of combat , but rangers could do with a 30% boost

 

Magic is not a secondary form of combat... I hate it when people say that.

 

Magic is, like it or not, a secondary form of combat. That's just what happens when magic is vastly inferior to melee and range. Barring quests, I can't remember the last time I've ever used magical attacks without bringing a melee or range weapon along...

 

Magic is not a secondary forum of combat. It can PvE/PvP fine on it's own. You just don't know how to properly mage.

 

Mage prayers only increase accurcy so I doubt many people care too much seeing as mage is only a secondary form of combat , but rangers could do with a 30% boost

 

Magic is not a secondary form of combat... I hate it when people say that.

 

Magic is, like it or not, a secondary form of combat. That's just what happens when magic is vastly inferior to melee and range. Barring quests, I can't remember the last time I've ever used magical attacks without bringing a melee or range weapon along...

 

then again, you mostly PvE and not PvP. if you clan warred or castle warred often, you would find plenty of capable mages.

 

mage IS pretty powerful as long as you know when and how to tank. mage's main weakness isn't power, it's defense.

magic is the most accurate form of combat; in terms of DPS against players i think it far outdamages even melee, assuming your opponent isn't in full karil/arma

 

You're wrong on the defensive part. A meleer can't ko a mage who is using a SoL, +300 slash defence, a super defence potion/steel titan, rocktail/saradomin brew combination. And if you're debuffed with shadow spells and/or Ahrim's set effect your chances of koing a mage have been lowered to 0%. And how are you going to attack a mage when you're in an ice cube for 80% of the time. Hell throw in an elysian, miasmic barrage, soul split and such and you're pretty much invincible...

 

 

 

then again, you mostly PvE and not PvP. if you clan warred or castle warred often, you would find plenty of capable mages.

 

mage IS pretty powerful as long as you know when and how to tank. mage's main weakness isn't power, it's defense.

magic is the most accurate form of combat; in terms of DPS against players i think it far outdamages even melee, assuming your opponent isn't in full karil/arma

 

Yeah, but put that mage against a melee one on one, watch the melee put on dhide and tear up the mage. Mage's accuracy is also terribly dependent on the opponent's armour

 

Magic rips through black dragonhide like butter. You'll need armadyl to withstand spells.

[glasscube]

 

 

You're wrong on the defensive part. A meleer can't ko a mage who is using a SoL, +300 slash defence, a super defence potion/steel titan, rocktail/saradomin brew combination. And if you're debuffed with shadow spells and/or Ahrim's set effect your chances of koing a mage have been lowered to 0%. And how are you going to attack a mage when you're in an ice cube for 80% of the time. Hell throw in an elysian, miasmic barrage, soul split and such and you're pretty much invincible...

I would like to see you get any kills like that. Guaranteed if you are using brews, SoL, steel titan, casting miasmic and shadow spells, ice barraging and using soul split, no one will stick around to fight you. No one is forced to fight you. I like how you put so much requirements for a mage to own.

 

You even listed conflicting criteria ... Now I am not trying to undermine magic here, because mages are extremely powerful. But if I ever fight anyone with a ESS, zuriels staff, a steel titan, soul split and staff of light ... I am not going to be sticking around to just waste my food and time.

[Wkw]

 

 

You're wrong on the defensive part. A meleer can't ko a mage who is using a SoL, +300 slash defence, a super defence potion/steel titan, rocktail/saradomin brew combination. And if you're debuffed with shadow spells and/or Ahrim's set effect your chances of koing a mage have been lowered to 0%. And how are you going to attack a mage when you're in an ice cube for 80% of the time. Hell throw in an elysian, miasmic barrage, soul split and such and you're pretty much invincible...

I would like to see you get any kills like that. Guaranteed if you are using brews, SoL, steel titan, casting miasmic and shadow spells, ice barraging and using soul split, no one will stick around to fight you. No one is forced to fight you. I like how you put so much requirements for a mage to own.

 

You even listed conflicting criteria ... Now I am not trying to undermine magic here, because mages are extremely powerful. But if I ever fight anyone with a ESS, zuriels staff, a steel titan, soul split and staff of light ... I am not going to be sticking around to just waste my food and time.

 

No, people don't pk in that, but that is pretty good if you were doing something like cw/sw/dual arena..

[LatinII]

 

 

You're wrong on the defensive part. A meleer can't ko a mage who is using a SoL, +300 slash defence, a super defence potion/steel titan, rocktail/saradomin brew combination. And if you're debuffed with shadow spells and/or Ahrim's set effect your chances of koing a mage have been lowered to 0%. And how are you going to attack a mage when you're in an ice cube for 80% of the time. Hell throw in an elysian, miasmic barrage, soul split and such and you're pretty much invincible...

I would like to see you get any kills like that. Guaranteed if you are using brews, SoL, steel titan, casting miasmic and shadow spells, ice barraging and using soul split, no one will stick around to fight you. No one is forced to fight you. I like how you put so much requirements for a mage to own.

 

You even listed conflicting criteria ... Now I am not trying to undermine magic here, because mages are extremely powerful. But if I ever fight anyone with a ESS, zuriels staff, a steel titan, soul split and staff of light ... I am not going to be sticking around to just waste my food and time.

 

I was just pointing out the items you could use as a mage. All you really need is shadow barrage, ice barrage and rocktails + saradomin brews. And maybe a phoenix necklace.

 

Freeze > cast 6 ice barrages > by now your opponent can move again, so run in the opposite direction for a few seconds > refreeze. And if a barrage spell splashes and they start running towards to you with claws or something, just start rocktail brewing ASAP and equip your phoenix necklace.

 

The only downside to this is is that meleers will just run away like you said, because they realize after a while that they can barely make a scratch on the mage. Magic for the win :thumbsup:

[brunokiller]

I think that people meant to say is that when your frozen meleer equips his bow and slaps on hides, you're toast. And if they don't have those, they will run/tele anyways..

 

 

Hence why a mage needs other combat styles to get kills.

[demby123]

I think that people meant to say is that when your frozen meleer equips his bow and slaps on hides, you're toast. And if they don't have those, they will run/tele anyways..

 

 

Hence why a mage needs other combat styles to get kills.

Or mages could go out and kill other mages, so I'd have somebody to kill.

[brunokiller]

I think that people meant to say is that when your frozen meleer equips his bow and slaps on hides, you're toast. And if they don't have those, they will run/tele anyways..

 

 

Hence why a mage needs other combat styles to get kills.

Or mages could go out and kill other mages, so I'd have somebody to kill.

 

The problem you will face is that you can use an melee spec on someone wearing robes (high hit chance) during the time you aren't frozen.

 

Using mage in pvp -> you will need to hybrid.

[demby123]

I think that people meant to say is that when your frozen meleer equips his bow and slaps on hides, you're toast. And if they don't have those, they will run/tele anyways..

 

 

Hence why a mage needs other combat styles to get kills.

Or mages could go out and kill other mages, so I'd have somebody to kill.

 

The problem you will face is that you can use an melee spec on someone wearing robes (high hit chance) during the time you aren't frozen.

 

Using mage in pvp -> you will need to hybrid.

You don't need to hybrid to ko, and im talking about people who are willing to fight with only magic.

[brunokiller]

I think that people meant to say is that when your frozen meleer equips his bow and slaps on hides, you're toast. And if they don't have those, they will run/tele anyways..

 

 

Hence why a mage needs other combat styles to get kills.

Or mages could go out and kill other mages, so I'd have somebody to kill.

 

The problem you will face is that you can use an melee spec on someone wearing robes (high hit chance) during the time you aren't frozen.

 

Using mage in pvp -> you will need to hybrid.

You don't need to hybrid to ko, and im talking about people who are willing to fight with only magic.

 

I'm not saying that, but if you have the choice between a 50% chance of splashing a 25 hit, or a near 100% accurate chance of landing a 60+ ags spec, what do you do? Due to this advantage, people pking with only magic are very rare (I have never seen them).

[Squisher_33]

i loved the update but you forget about leech def, 25% less def makes up for tons of accuracy

 

i do believe the leechs should begin at 10% and increase to 20% over time

[TTanT]

I'd just like to point out the fact that if everyone runs away from you when you go pk'ing, you aren't underpowered.

[Bloodstain]

I'd just like to point out the fact that if everyone runs away from you when you go pk'ing, you aren't underpowered.

 

Do you even pk?

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I'd like to point out to TT that the reason they run isn't because they're likely to die. The mage will die. Practically every time. It's just its so much of a pain to deal with the mage to kill him.